Re: Stus-List Crab pot free / tow lane - Columbia River to Victoria
I will be in Rockaway Beach towards the end of July, but I will be looking FOR Crab Pots! 8^ ) Bill Coleman C&C 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Crab pot free / tow lane - Columbia River to Victoria Does anyone have coordinates our a good source for the crab pot free zone on the Oregon coast ? My wife and I are heading up to Victoria and Canadian Gulf Islands on the 4th of July for a few weeks on our 30-2. I would like to follow the land up the coast weather/wind permitting. Anybody on this list in Astoria Or, or Victoria BC or there abouts in the next few weeks? Thanks! Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Yanmar 2GM20 Starter Not Starting / Engaging
Hi Everybody, My starter is beginning to misbehave a bit. Looking for help diagnosing issue. *Symptom: *Occasionally (with more frequency now) I will press the starter button on my Yanmar 2GM20 and nothing happens. No, turning over, etc. Just crickets. Then I take my finger off and try it again and it starts to turn over fine. Occasionally I have to press twice before it will start to engage. Any ideas? When this happened on my classic BMW motorcycle, it was my starter relay. Could it be the same on my Yanmar? Whatever it is it seems electrical rather than mechanical. Thanks! Kevin 30-2 Kevin Driscoll Portland, Oregon 503 // 875 // 3493 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Yanmar 2GM20 Starter Not Starting / Engaging
Starter relay, but more probably the wiring between there and the starter button. There was a fairly recent thread on this suggesting checking condition / re-wiring. It's on my list, but not as high up as sailing... Tim Mojito C&C 35-3 Branford, CT On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > > > My starter is beginning to misbehave a bit. Looking for help diagnosing > issue. > > > > *Symptom: *Occasionally (with more frequency now) I will press the > starter button on my Yanmar 2GM20 and nothing happens. No, turning over, > etc. Just crickets. Then I take my finger off and try it again and it > starts to turn over fine. Occasionally I have to press twice before it will > start to engage. > > > > Any ideas? When this happened on my classic BMW motorcycle, it was my > starter relay. Could it be the same on my Yanmar? Whatever it is it seems > electrical rather than mechanical. > > > > Thanks! > > Kevin > > 30-2 > > > Kevin Driscoll > Portland, Oregon > 503 // 875 // 3493 > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Yanmar 2GM20 Starter Not Starting / Engaging
Kevin, Likely to be corroded wiring between the battery, button and solenoid or corrosion on the cable to the starter itself. Get a remote starter switch http://www.harborfreight.com/12-volt-remote-starter-switch-35448.html to bypass the button and isolate the problem. Joel On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > > > My starter is beginning to misbehave a bit. Looking for help diagnosing > issue. > > > > *Symptom: *Occasionally (with more frequency now) I will press the > starter button on my Yanmar 2GM20 and nothing happens. No, turning over, > etc. Just crickets. Then I take my finger off and try it again and it > starts to turn over fine. Occasionally I have to press twice before it will > start to engage. > > > > Any ideas? When this happened on my classic BMW motorcycle, it was my > starter relay. Could it be the same on my Yanmar? Whatever it is it seems > electrical rather than mechanical. > > > > Thanks! > > Kevin > > 30-2 > > > Kevin Driscoll > Portland, Oregon > 503 // 875 // 3493 > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Yanmar 2GM20 Starter Not Starting / Engaging
Ah, the infamous Yanmar click. Basically, the Yanmar wiring harness is substandard. Originally, I replaced a crappy fuse in the harness and the click didn’t happen so much. I eventually bypassed the harness and replaced it with larger, tinned wire. Problem solved. Jack Brennan Former C&C 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:40 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2GM20 Starter Not Starting / Engaging Hi Everybody, My starter is beginning to misbehave a bit. Looking for help diagnosing issue. Symptom: Occasionally (with more frequency now) I will press the starter button on my Yanmar 2GM20 and nothing happens. No, turning over, etc. Just crickets. Then I take my finger off and try it again and it starts to turn over fine. Occasionally I have to press twice before it will start to engage. Any ideas? When this happened on my classic BMW motorcycle, it was my starter relay. Could it be the same on my Yanmar? Whatever it is it seems electrical rather than mechanical. Thanks! Kevin 30-2 Kevin Driscoll Portland, Oregon 503 // 875 // 3493 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Yanmar 2GM20 Starter Not Starting / Engaging
Push starter switches are subject to carbon build up. Jump the contacts on the back of the switch. If the starter engages, replace the switch. If that doesn't work, look to the wiring as others have suggested. Dennis C. On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > > > My starter is beginning to misbehave a bit. Looking for help diagnosing > issue. > > > > *Symptom: *Occasionally (with more frequency now) I will press the > starter button on my Yanmar 2GM20 and nothing happens. No, turning over, > etc. Just crickets. Then I take my finger off and try it again and it > starts to turn over fine. Occasionally I have to press twice before it will > start to engage. > > > > Any ideas? When this happened on my classic BMW motorcycle, it was my > starter relay. Could it be the same on my Yanmar? Whatever it is it seems > electrical rather than mechanical. > > > > Thanks! > > Kevin > > 30-2 > > > Kevin Driscoll > Portland, Oregon > 503 // 875 // 3493 > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Yanmar 2GM20 Starter Not Starting / Engaging
Kevin, This exact thing happened on the Enterprise-A, a 1978 C&C 34, and the problem got worse and worse as days went on. It was the solenoid at the starter. Quick, relatively inexpensive, fix. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jun 27, 2014, at 11:59 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: > Push starter switches are subject to carbon build up. Jump the contacts on > the back of the switch. If the starter engages, replace the switch. > > If that doesn't work, look to the wiring as others have suggested. > > Dennis C. > > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List > wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > > My starter is beginning to misbehave a bit. Looking for help diagnosing issue. > > > Symptom: Occasionally (with more frequency now) I will press the starter > button on my Yanmar 2GM20 and nothing happens. No, turning over, etc. Just > crickets. Then I take my finger off and try it again and it starts to turn > over fine. Occasionally I have to press twice before it will start to engage. > > > Any ideas? When this happened on my classic BMW motorcycle, it was my starter > relay. Could it be the same on my Yanmar? Whatever it is it seems electrical > rather than mechanical. > > > Thanks! > > Kevin > > 30-2 > > > > Kevin Driscoll > Portland, Oregon > 503 // 875 // 3493 > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Yanmar 2GM20 Starter Not Starting / Engaging
Kevin: The first thing to try is to clean the battery post and terminals with a wire brush. Auto parts stores have an inexpensive brush that works on the post and terminals. If there is no improvement, your push button switch may be building up corrosion across the switch such that mere operation of the switch the second or 3rd time cleans enough corrosion that contact is made. Try, with the ignition switch off, pushing the button multiple times as this may clean the switch. Depending on how the push button switch is made, you may be able to open it up and clean the contacts. Disconnect and remove the switch 1st. If none of the above works, replace the push button switch. Ed Briar Patch C&C 34 New Orleans, La. On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > > > My starter is beginning to misbehave a bit. Looking for help diagnosing > issue. > > > > *Symptom: *Occasionally (with more frequency now) I will press the > starter button on my Yanmar 2GM20 and nothing happens. No, turning over, > etc. Just crickets. Then I take my finger off and try it again and it > starts to turn over fine. Occasionally I have to press twice before it will > start to engage. > > > > Any ideas? When this happened on my classic BMW motorcycle, it was my > starter relay. Could it be the same on my Yanmar? Whatever it is it seems > electrical rather than mechanical. > > > > Thanks! > > Kevin > > 30-2 > > > Kevin Driscoll > Portland, Oregon > 503 // 875 // 3493 > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Yanmar 2GM20 Starter Not Starting / Engaging
I didn't see anybody else suggest this but you can short the high current relay contacts that provide power to the starter. If the starter turns over without problem then it is almost certainly not the starter or power to it. Now you can focus on the starter button, button wiring and relay. Good luck, Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Jun 27, 2014 11:40 AM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > > > My starter is beginning to misbehave a bit. Looking for help diagnosing > issue. > > > > *Symptom: *Occasionally (with more frequency now) I will press the > starter button on my Yanmar 2GM20 and nothing happens. No, turning over, > etc. Just crickets. Then I take my finger off and try it again and it > starts to turn over fine. Occasionally I have to press twice before it will > start to engage. > > > > Any ideas? When this happened on my classic BMW motorcycle, it was my > starter relay. Could it be the same on my Yanmar? Whatever it is it seems > electrical rather than mechanical. > > > > Thanks! > > Kevin > > 30-2 > > > Kevin Driscoll > Portland, Oregon > 503 // 875 // 3493 > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Crab pot free / tow lane - Columbia River to Victoria
Whenever I race up the coast, we always have to watch for crab pots. I seem to recall that there was a line of pots around 200' water depth, but they could be almost anywhere. You can motor up the coast, within a mile of shore. Stay outside of Destruction Island, Umatilla Reef and Cape Flattery. I'd recommend motoring until you get to Neah Bay, unless you're lucky enough to get a southerly. The further out you go, the greater the adverse current. Check Columbia River Bar conditions, and cross the bar at high slack. You'll have to leave the West Mooring Basin around two or three hours earlier. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Yanmar 2GM20 Starter Not Starting / Engaging
Thanks everybody! Kevin Driscoll Portland, Oregon 503 // 875 // 3493 On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Josh Muckley wrote: > I didn't see anybody else suggest this but you can short the high current > relay contacts that provide power to the starter. If the starter turns > over without problem then it is almost certainly not the starter or power > to it. Now you can focus on the starter button, button wiring and relay. > > Good luck, > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > On Jun 27, 2014 11:40 AM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hi Everybody, >> >> >> >> My starter is beginning to misbehave a bit. Looking for help diagnosing >> issue. >> >> >> >> *Symptom: *Occasionally (with more frequency now) I will press the >> starter button on my Yanmar 2GM20 and nothing happens. No, turning over, >> etc. Just crickets. Then I take my finger off and try it again and it >> starts to turn over fine. Occasionally I have to press twice before it will >> start to engage. >> >> >> >> Any ideas? When this happened on my classic BMW motorcycle, it was my >> starter relay. Could it be the same on my Yanmar? Whatever it is it seems >> electrical rather than mechanical. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Kevin >> >> 30-2 >> >> >> Kevin Driscoll >> Portland, Oregon >> 503 // 875 // 3493 >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Rigging Problem
Great wind for a Wednesday evening club race, great start, and then got smoked by three other boats one of which was another C&C 35 MK3. I had just had the bottom cleaned, had plenty of boat speed but I just couldn't point as high as the others. Any suggestions on where I should start to look for an answer? Dave Saltaire C&C 35 MK3 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem
On Friday, June 27, 2014, David Jacobs via CnC-List wrote: > Great wind for a Wednesday evening club race, great start, and then got > smoked by three other boats one of which was another C&C 35 MK3. I had just > had the bottom cleaned, had plenty of boat speed but I just couldn’t point > as high as the others. > > > > Any suggestions on where I should start to look for an answer? > > > > Dave > > Saltaire > > C&C 35 MK3 > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem
Sorry about the blank reply. What condition are your sails in? Where was the traveler position? How close to the spreaders was the jib trimmed? Joel On Friday, June 27, 2014, David Jacobs via CnC-List wrote: > Great wind for a Wednesday evening club race, great start, and then got > smoked by three other boats one of which was another C&C 35 MK3. I had just > had the bottom cleaned, had plenty of boat speed but I just couldn’t point > as high as the others. > > > > Any suggestions on where I should start to look for an answer? > > > > Dave > > Saltaire > > C&C 35 MK3 > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem
Tell us more. Deep keel or centerboard? 1. Sails? Old? Bagged out? 2. Rake? Need to hear from other 35-3 owners. 3. Trim? How tight? How far off speaders? 4. Mast bend? How much? 5. Genoa lead? Were the tell tales breaking evenly up and down the genoa? 6. Angle vs course. Was your angle the same as the others or were you pointed lower. If pointed the same what were the wind conditions? Were you getting pushed sideways? Dennis C. On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:27 PM, David Jacobs via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Great wind for a Wednesday evening club race, great start, and then got > smoked by three other boats one of which was another C&C 35 MK3. I had just > had the bottom cleaned, had plenty of boat speed but I just couldn’t point > as high as the others. > > > > Any suggestions on where I should start to look for an answer? > > > > Dave > > Saltaire > > C&C 35 MK3 > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1985 - C&C 33-2 Mast Manufacturer?
Also try Klacko Spars in Oakville, ON. Klacko's made a lot of the old C&C masts and have access to a lot of the old extrusions. They have a website, so can be contacted through that. On 2014-06-26 1:04 PM, "Raymond Macklin via CnC-List" wrote: > Who was the Manufacturer of the 1985 - C&C 33-2 Mast and how would I reach > them? > > Ray > LakeHouse > Libertyville > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem
Dennis, In response to your questions, · The boat is a 6’ keel · Brand new Thurston (albeit cruising but really nicely shaped) sails (main and 135%) · Rake is something I need some education about. The mast was pulled and I added all new rod rigging and a Harken Furler so the rake is whatever it was when the boatyard (Burr Brothers in Marion) stepped the mast. So, how do I measure it and what’s the proper amount of rake? · Trim was good. Very experience crew who is in the industry and has been racing since the age of 8 trimming the jib and the main telltales were streaming well (front of the jib and back of the main trimmed well). 4” off the lower spreader and just off the top spreader. · 1500 pounds on the backstay to take the sag out of the head stay (taken off when off the wind). Slight bend in the mast but I don’t have a quantitative answer. · I was totally focused on sailing to the genoa tell tales which we kept streaming evenly up and down the genoa. However the “grove” between pinching and too far off the wind seemed very tight (maybe not enough halyard tension?). · Wind was 15-18 knots and I was not able to point as high as the others including the other 35 MK3. Also it appears that the skipper of the other C&C MK3 can sail his boat flatter. Yes, he did have more crew on the rail but I’ve seen this in other races also when it wasn’t as windy. So, I’m wondering if this particular design likes to sail slightly pinched. · Bottom cleaned two days prior to the race and every three weeks. Any help appreciated. Need to improve or my crew might mutiny L Dave From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 5:13 PM To: CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem Tell us more. Deep keel or centerboard? 1. Sails? Old? Bagged out? 2. Rake? Need to hear from other 35-3 owners. 3. Trim? How tight? How far off speaders? 4. Mast bend? How much? 5. Genoa lead? Were the tell tales breaking evenly up and down the genoa? 6. Angle vs course. Was your angle the same as the others or were you pointed lower. If pointed the same what were the wind conditions? Were you getting pushed sideways? Dennis C. On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:27 PM, David Jacobs via CnC-List wrote: Great wind for a Wednesday evening club race, great start, and then got smoked by three other boats one of which was another C&C 35 MK3. I had just had the bottom cleaned, had plenty of boat speed but I just couldn’t point as high as the others. Any suggestions on where I should start to look for an answer? Dave Saltaire C&C 35 MK3 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1985 - C&C 33-2 Mast Manufacturer?
Also try Dwyer Aluminum mast co https://www.dwyermast.com/ Jerry Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List > wrote: > > Also try Klacko Spars in Oakville, ON. Klacko's made a lot of the old C&C > masts and have access to a lot of the old extrusions. They have a website, so > can be contacted through that. > >> On 2014-06-26 1:04 PM, "Raymond Macklin via CnC-List" >> wrote: >> Who was the Manufacturer of the 1985 - C&C 33-2 Mast and how would I reach >> them? >> >> Ray >> LakeHouse >> Libertyville >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem
With that much wind you are on the cusp of reefing the main. Do you add main halyard tension? Cunningham? Outhaul? Ease the mainsheet ( not the traveler) to let the top of the main twist off. Move the jib car aft a couple inches. If you are heeling more than 20 degrees you will be slow. Joel On Friday, June 27, 2014, David Jacobs via CnC-List wrote: > Dennis, > > > > In response to your questions, > > > > · The boat is a 6’ keel > > · Brand new Thurston (albeit cruising but really nicely shaped) > sails (main and 135%) > > · Rake is something I need some education about. The mast was > pulled and I added all new rod rigging and a Harken Furler so the rake is > whatever it was when the boatyard (Burr Brothers in Marion) stepped the > mast. So, how do I measure it and what’s the proper amount of rake? > > · Trim was good. Very experience crew who is in the industry and > has been racing since the age of 8 trimming the jib and the main telltales > were streaming well (front of the jib and back of the main trimmed well). > 4” off the lower spreader and just off the top spreader. > > · 1500 pounds on the backstay to take the sag out of the head > stay (taken off when off the wind). Slight bend in the mast but I don’t > have a quantitative answer. > > · I was totally focused on sailing to the genoa tell tales which > we kept streaming evenly up and down the genoa. However the “grove” between > pinching and too far off the wind seemed very tight (maybe not enough > halyard tension?). > > · Wind was 15-18 knots and I was not able to point as high as the > others including the other 35 MK3. Also it appears that the skipper of the > other C&C MK3 can sail his boat flatter. Yes, he did have more crew on the > rail but I’ve seen this in other races also when it wasn’t as windy. So, > I’m wondering if this particular design likes to sail slightly pinched. > > · Bottom cleaned two days prior to the race and every three weeks. > > > > Any help appreciated. Need to improve or my crew might mutiny L > > > > Dave > > > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > ] *On > Behalf Of *Dennis C. via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, June 27, 2014 5:13 PM > *To:* CnClist > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem > > > > Tell us more. > > Deep keel or centerboard? > > > 1. Sails? Old? Bagged out? > > 2. Rake? Need to hear from other 35-3 owners. > > 3. Trim? How tight? How far off speaders? > > 4. Mast bend? How much? > > 5. Genoa lead? Were the tell tales breaking evenly up and down the genoa? > > 6. Angle vs course. Was your angle the same as the others or were you > pointed lower. If pointed the same what were the wind conditions? Were > you getting pushed sideways? > > > > Dennis C. > > > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:27 PM, David Jacobs via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > wrote: > > Great wind for a Wednesday evening club race, great start, and then got > smoked by three other boats one of which was another C&C 35 MK3. I had just > had the bottom cleaned, had plenty of boat speed but I just couldn’t point > as high as the others. > > > > Any suggestions on where I should start to look for an answer? > > > > Dave > > Saltaire > > C&C 35 MK3 > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem
Can you 35-3 owners help him with the rake? I know that my 35-1 wants a minimum of 10-12" aft of the gooseneck with a plumb line from the masthead. Basically, as much as you can stand without excessive weather helm. Dennis C. On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > With that much wind you are on the cusp of reefing the main. Do you add > main halyard tension? Cunningham? Outhaul? Ease the mainsheet ( not the > traveler) to let the top of the main twist off. Move the jib car aft a > couple inches. If you are heeling more than 20 degrees you will be slow. > > Joel > > > On Friday, June 27, 2014, David Jacobs via CnC-List > wrote: > >> Dennis, >> >> >> >> In response to your questions, >> >> >> >> · The boat is a 6’ keel >> >> · Brand new Thurston (albeit cruising but really nicely shaped) >> sails (main and 135%) >> >> · Rake is something I need some education about. The mast was >> pulled and I added all new rod rigging and a Harken Furler so the rake is >> whatever it was when the boatyard (Burr Brothers in Marion) stepped the >> mast. So, how do I measure it and what’s the proper amount of rake? >> >> · Trim was good. Very experience crew who is in the industry and >> has been racing since the age of 8 trimming the jib and the main telltales >> were streaming well (front of the jib and back of the main trimmed well). >> 4” off the lower spreader and just off the top spreader. >> >> · 1500 pounds on the backstay to take the sag out of the head >> stay (taken off when off the wind). Slight bend in the mast but I don’t >> have a quantitative answer. >> >> · I was totally focused on sailing to the genoa tell tales which >> we kept streaming evenly up and down the genoa. However the “grove” between >> pinching and too far off the wind seemed very tight (maybe not enough >> halyard tension?). >> >> · Wind was 15-18 knots and I was not able to point as high as >> the others including the other 35 MK3. Also it appears that the skipper of >> the other C&C MK3 can sail his boat flatter. Yes, he did have more crew on >> the rail but I’ve seen this in other races also when it wasn’t as windy. >> So, I’m wondering if this particular design likes to sail slightly pinched. >> >> · Bottom cleaned two days prior to the race and every three >> weeks. >> >> >> >> Any help appreciated. Need to improve or my crew might mutiny L >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis >> C. via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Friday, June 27, 2014 5:13 PM >> *To:* CnClist >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem >> >> >> >> Tell us more. >> >> Deep keel or centerboard? >> >> >> 1. Sails? Old? Bagged out? >> >> 2. Rake? Need to hear from other 35-3 owners. >> >> 3. Trim? How tight? How far off speaders? >> >> 4. Mast bend? How much? >> >> 5. Genoa lead? Were the tell tales breaking evenly up and down the genoa? >> >> 6. Angle vs course. Was your angle the same as the others or were you >> pointed lower. If pointed the same what were the wind conditions? Were >> you getting pushed sideways? >> >> >> >> Dennis C. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:27 PM, David Jacobs via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Great wind for a Wednesday evening club race, great start, and then got >> smoked by three other boats one of which was another C&C 35 MK3. I had just >> had the bottom cleaned, had plenty of boat speed but I just couldn’t point >> as high as the others. >> >> >> >> Any suggestions on where I should start to look for an answer? >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> Saltaire >> >> C&C 35 MK3 >> >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem / pointing?
Maybe you need more weight on the rail or a new main? Was your jib baggy or flat? Too many folks in the cockpit? Get the main trimmer off the other boat to sail with you for a practice sail. ' 2 cents, Lee Great wind for a Wednesday evening club race, great start, and then got smoked by three other boats one of which was another C&C 35 MK3. I had just had the bottom cleaned, had plenty of boat speed but I just couldn't point as high as the others. Any suggestions on where I should start to look for an answer? Dave Saltaire C&C 35 MK3 -- Lee Youngblood (425) 444-9109 Your Shilshole Sailboat Broker Gig Harbor Yacht Sales | Seattle Office @ Dockside Solutions 7001 Seaview Avenue NW #160 Seattle, WA 98117 New Office Phone (206) 707-1778 GHYS website: http://www.1gigharbor.com/ ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem
If the others passed you, maybe by rolling over the top to weather then maybe you spent some time sailing in their dirty air.you won't point as well in that stuff so you have to tack away or suffer.sounds like you and your crew have a good bit of experience, at least enough to figure out why the boat didn't point as well as you thought it should and maybe next time you will have a different race.how did you tune the rig and were you sailing the genoa to the leeward ticklers which should be all streaming straight back hard in that wind.the windward ticklers can luff up a bit on my boat and that is fast 15-18 degrees of heel should work good and if you don't already do it try feathering up on the puffs.that can make a huge difference in average pointing angle over a windward leg.but try to sail in clean air, even if you have to tack away to do it _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Jacobs via CnC-List Sent: June 27, 2014 3:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Rigging Problem Great wind for a Wednesday evening club race, great start, and then got smoked by three other boats one of which was another C&C 35 MK3. I had just had the bottom cleaned, had plenty of boat speed but I just couldn't point as high as the others. Any suggestions on where I should start to look for an answer? Dave Saltaire C&C 35 MK3 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3972/7695 - Release Date: 06/17/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem
At the dock, check mast position to be sure it's not leaning to one side. Use a halyard to measure from the top of the mast to the rail on each side. Then adjust your lowers and mid shrouds to remove any sideways bend. Don't over tighten the turnbuckles. When sailing to windward, adjust the turnbuckles so there is no sideways bend in the mast. It's OK if your leeward shrouds are a little slack, as long as the mast is straight. ( I know I'm going to get grief from some on the list, but I got this advice from Steve Rander at Schooner Creek Boat Works. Steve is an international racer, with many wins under his belt. He also builds winning boats at his yard.) Rake should be adjusted for the amount of weather helm you want. More rake gives you more weather helm. I like to sail with 10 -12 degrees of heel. A 135 is right for the wind you described. Flatten the main with your outhaul. Tighten your baby stay. Increase backstay pressure to 2,000 under those wind conditions. Adjust draft position with halyards, vang and cunningham. Maximum draft on main should be 50% back; on genoa, 35-40% back. Don't let boom go to windward of center of boat. With everything set right, you should be able to outpoint the rest of the fleet. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem
Hi Dave All the usual issues such as mast tune, halyard tension, babystay tension, backstay tension, genoa car position, cunningham, etc, etc, etc will apply. Another factor is the 135 may not be cut to enable pointing as well as a 155??? I find a light-medium 155 works well up to 18 apparent, then a heavy 150 to 22 then a 135 starts to really kick in up to 26 or so then to the blade. In these winds, the main sheet is pretty tight to the point of bending the boom due to the mid boom sheeting. From the helm I can see the bend. We have found that when all other sail controls are well positioned, moving the main traveler a few inches to windward makes a huge difference in pointing. Leach tell tales are well streaming with boom slightly below centerline but have great improvement in pointing angle with minimal impact to speed with the traveler ooched to windward so the boom is on centerline. One sailor’s observation Experiment and have fun doing it John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Jacobs via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 6:18 PM To: 'Dennis C.'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem Dennis, In response to your questions, · The boat is a 6’ keel · Brand new Thurston (albeit cruising but really nicely shaped) sails (main and 135%) · Rake is something I need some education about. The mast was pulled and I added all new rod rigging and a Harken Furler so the rake is whatever it was when the boatyard (Burr Brothers in Marion) stepped the mast. So, how do I measure it and what’s the proper amount of rake? · Trim was good. Very experience crew who is in the industry and has been racing since the age of 8 trimming the jib and the main telltales were streaming well (front of the jib and back of the main trimmed well). 4” off the lower spreader and just off the top spreader. · 1500 pounds on the backstay to take the sag out of the head stay (taken off when off the wind). Slight bend in the mast but I don’t have a quantitative answer. · I was totally focused on sailing to the genoa tell tales which we kept streaming evenly up and down the genoa. However the “grove” between pinching and too far off the wind seemed very tight (maybe not enough halyard tension?). · Wind was 15-18 knots and I was not able to point as high as the others including the other 35 MK3. Also it appears that the skipper of the other C&C MK3 can sail his boat flatter. Yes, he did have more crew on the rail but I’ve seen this in other races also when it wasn’t as windy. So, I’m wondering if this particular design likes to sail slightly pinched. · Bottom cleaned two days prior to the race and every three weeks. Any help appreciated. Need to improve or my crew might mutiny L Dave From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 5:13 PM To: CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigging Problem Tell us more. Deep keel or centerboard? 1. Sails? Old? Bagged out? 2. Rake? Need to hear from other 35-3 owners. 3. Trim? How tight? How far off speaders? 4. Mast bend? How much? 5. Genoa lead? Were the tell tales breaking evenly up and down the genoa? 6. Angle vs course. Was your angle the same as the others or were you pointed lower. If pointed the same what were the wind conditions? Were you getting pushed sideways? Dennis C. On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:27 PM, David Jacobs via CnC-List wrote: Great wind for a Wednesday evening club race, great start, and then got smoked by three other boats one of which was another C&C 35 MK3. I had just had the bottom cleaned, had plenty of boat speed but I just couldn’t point as high as the others. Any suggestions on where I should start to look for an answer? Dave Saltaire C&C 35 MK3 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Signet SL 172 Depth Gauge
My Coastal Navigator DDS 200 depth gauge which is no longer in business seems to have retired itself. I'm thinking the instrument itself has gone bad, not the transducer. We just had the boat out of the water in April for fresh bottom paint, so I really don't want to pull her out again to replace the transducer. I'm hoping the existing transducer will work with a new depth gauge instrument such as a Signet SL172 depth gauge. I talked to Signet and they believe it should work, as most transducers operate on 200 kHz. Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with replacing their depth gauge using the existing transducer, what kind did you use, and did it work ok? I'm thinking about the Signet Gauge to match the existing knot log, wind speed, and apparent wind indicator, which are all Signet. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad 81' CnC 36 Seattle Sent from my iPad ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Signet SL 172 Depth Gauge
I had a Lowrance fishfinder that went awol, put in a Northstar plotter and just cut the plug off the old transducer and figured out the wiring to the plotter. Worked fine, most seem to be made by Airmar and are generally compatible, you can usually find the pin-outs online. Cheers, Paul Orange Crush 1973 27MkII, Sidney, BC On 14-06-27 06:20 PM, Brad Crawford via CnC-List wrote: My Coastal Navigator DDS 200 depth gauge which is no longer in business seems to have retired itself. I'm thinking the instrument itself has gone bad, not the transducer. We just had the boat out of the water in April for fresh bottom paint, so I really don't want to pull her out again to replace the transducer. I'm hoping the existing transducer will work with a new depth gauge instrument such as a Signet SL172 depth gauge. I talked to Signet and they believe it should work, as most transducers operate on 200 kHz. Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with replacing their depth gauge using the existing transducer, what kind did you use, and did it work ok? I'm thinking about the Signet Gauge to match the existing knot log, wind speed, and apparent wind indicator, which are all Signet. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad 81' CnC 36 Seattle Sent from my iPad ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
