Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Chuck You are lucky that your wife likes being aboard the boat. Sounds like you have a good system worked out Mike Persistence (as usual not a CC) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:44 PM To: Us; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl. Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't like that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a sailing course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+ years. We've had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under power or anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or rafting up. My daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took to sailing right off. He joined his college's sailing team and loves racing with me. I've raced the boat without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st time ever crew, so I assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain which line to put to what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my voice except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached them to steer and they loved steering. I've also taken guests who just wanted a ride, didn't want to do anything and I just set the autohelm and do it all like I do when I'm alone. My wife likes that style until it gets above 10 knots when the boat comes alive and we start making 6 plus knots and heel to 25 degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and then we're doing 7.3 knots and lovin it, until she's almost crying something like, do you have to make it lean so much? Let's find a place to go swimming. She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no desire to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat like a trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not there. I'm gonna order that tow toy. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:44:09 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Ok, here's a response from a woman. I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where my love for CC began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what really shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, you see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it you relax, a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving every second. I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might certainly see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a higher level of confidence. I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very patient and good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be happy to help as well... Joanne Mocny S/V Obsession CC 37/40+ Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the Caribbean. A friend went - loved it. Gary - Original Message - From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard mailto:jfriv...@us.ibm.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Dennis / others, Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, I'd be interested in your opinions too. Thanks, Tim On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long ladies only sailing class. It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a coed group. She will not just get sailing lessons,
Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
I used 3/8 inch for my windows and ½ inch for my hatches. I used polycarbonate sheet. Brand name Macrolon. A little more expensive but worth it in my opinion. This is the stuff used for bullet resistance. It is easy to cut and drill and very durable. My windows are through bolted to the coach house so I had to drill many holes very near the edge. No problem at all. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Irvin via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:47 PM To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements I have a 27 Mk lll. Replaced windows with 1/4 in Plexiglas held in place by double.-sided butyl tape. Foolproof. _ From: Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 2014-09-23 1:28 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements I've done a bunch of reading on this topic as my windows are cracked and need replacement. I don't have any experience actually doing it but I've read multiple different techniques -- so my comments should be taken with a grain (or bag) of salt! Nest year I may be able to speak from experience. I remember one discussion on the problem with adhesives was that the acrylic expands and contracts at different rates than the boat (or does not match boat flexing) and that most people put too thin a layer of adhesive - which could not absorb the movement. The recommended solution was to use double sided tape to keep the acrylic a couple millimeters off the gelcoat - then squeeze the adhesive caulk in around the edges for the water proofing. With more thickness there is more ability to absorb the different motions. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 23/09/2014 12:42 PM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List wrote: A few years ago I lightly ran a cutting knife around the outside edge of the 30-year glued windows, went inside and hit each one once, moderately, with my fist. Every one popped right out. No gelcoat damage, but scarily easy Did the cast acrylic/plexus routine, was happy with nice new ports except for the not so pretty glue line showing through #2404 bronze 3/8, but then this year the large window started leaking again. Broken-hearted would cover it. One of several reasons we're currently closing on a boat with Lewmar ports. Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curtis, be very careful when taking the old ones out. They are glued in with some powerful stuff and you stand a good chance of chipping the gelcoat around the windows (don't ask me how I know). You may want to try a dremel or one of those vibrating side cutters (Fein tool?). Then you have to clean up the area where the adhesive was - it was probably laid on pretty thick and is another dremel job - again - care. Some folks use a special adhesive called Plexus, which is a two part glue and needs a special gun for application. The windows are bonded into the side of the cabin and are part of the structure. You have to hold them in place (they are slightly bent to match the curve of your cabin). Or you can use Sikaflex 295, which requires a cleaner, a primer (mandatory!!!) and the adhesive. Don't get creative and try anything else, there are probably 100 war stories about folks who have experimented and then got the opportunity to do it right the next year. Search through the archives on the site - most of the late '70's and later original CC's had glued in windows and there are a lot of threads on this repair. It is doable but not trivial. Jake had a pretty good description if I remember correctly. Gary Nylander (Been there with moderate success) - Original Message - From: Curtis via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping leaks in them windows sense I got the boat? I also want to rebuild the forward hatch and need something strong and that lets in more light. I need to know if the gasket around the inside is replaceable? Mine is cracking up and needs to be replaced. all-tho the leaking looks to be the caulking of the class itself to the frame. If you can share some in-depth details on how the two mentioned projects are to be completed I would be very
Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
They changed to frameless in 1979 on the 30-1 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:09 PM To: Della Barba, Joe; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements The earliest ones did, but they changed to the glued ones sometime in the late '70's. Gary - Original Message - From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Doesn't the 30 MK I have the same aluminum frame ports the 35 MK I has? Those are pretty easy to DIY. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:28 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements I've done a bunch of reading on this topic as my windows are cracked and need replacement. I don't have any experience actually doing it but I've read multiple different techniques -- so my comments should be taken with a grain (or bag) of salt! Nest year I may be able to speak from experience. I remember one discussion on the problem with adhesives was that the acrylic expands and contracts at different rates than the boat (or does not match boat flexing) and that most people put too thin a layer of adhesive - which could not absorb the movement. The recommended solution was to use double sided tape to keep the acrylic a couple millimeters off the gelcoat - then squeeze the adhesive caulk in around the edges for the water proofing. With more thickness there is more ability to absorb the different motions. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 23/09/2014 12:42 PM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List wrote: A few years ago I lightly ran a cutting knife around the outside edge of the 30-year glued windows, went inside and hit each one once, moderately, with my fist. Every one popped right out. No gelcoat damage, but scarily easy Did the cast acrylic/plexus routine, was happy with nice new ports except for the not so pretty glue line showing through #2404 bronze 3/8, but then this year the large window started leaking again. Broken-hearted would cover it. One of several reasons we're currently closing on a boat with Lewmar ports. Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curtis, be very careful when taking the old ones out. They are glued in with some powerful stuff and you stand a good chance of chipping the gelcoat around the windows (don't ask me how I know). You may want to try a dremel or one of those vibrating side cutters (Fein tool?). Then you have to clean up the area where the adhesive was - it was probably laid on pretty thick and is another dremel job - again - care. Some folks use a special adhesive called Plexus, which is a two part glue and needs a special gun for application. The windows are bonded into the side of the cabin and are part of the structure. You have to hold them in place (they are slightly bent to match the curve of your cabin). Or you can use Sikaflex 295, which requires a cleaner, a primer (mandatory!!!) and the adhesive. Don't get creative and try anything else, there are probably 100 war stories about folks who have experimented and then got the opportunity to do it right the next year. Search through the archives on the site - most of the late '70's and later original CC's had glued in windows and there are a lot of threads on this repair. It is doable but not trivial. Jake had a pretty good description if I remember correctly. Gary Nylander (Been there with moderate success) - Original Message - From: Curtis via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Relationships are compromise and tolerance. I have several sailing buddies whose wives won't go near a boat. At least they're honest and candid about their position. I have two friends whose ladies were interested in the boats while they were dating. Once they were wed, the ladies lost interest. On the other hand, I have sailing friends that use their boats as their man cave. I'd say that if Curtis' lady has stuck around for 30+ years, he's doing a lot of things right. Good on ya, Curtis. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Chuck You are lucky that your wife likes being aboard the boat. Sounds like you have a good system worked out Mike Persistence (as usual not a CC) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:44 PM To: Us; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl. Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't like that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a sailing course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+ years. We've had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under power or anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or rafting up. My daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took to sailing right off. He joined his college's sailing team and loves racing with me. I've raced the boat without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st time ever crew, so I assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain which line to put to what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my voice except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached them to steer and they loved steering. I've also taken guests who just wanted a ride, didn't want to do anything and I just set the autohelm and do it all like I do when I'm alone. My wife likes that style until it gets above 10 knots when the boat comes alive and we start making 6 plus knots and heel to 25 degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and then we're doing 7.3 knots and lovin it, until she's almost crying something like, do you have to make it lean so much? Let's find a place to go swimming. She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no desire to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat like a trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not there. I'm gonna order that tow toy. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:44:09 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Ok, here's a response from a woman. I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where my love for CC began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what really shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, you see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it you relax, a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving every second. I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might certainly see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a higher level of confidence. I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very patient and good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be happy to help as well... Joanne Mocny S/V Obsession CC 37/40+ Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the Caribbean. A friend went - loved it. Gary - Original Message - From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Dennis / others, Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, I'd be interested in your opinions too. Thanks, Tim On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didn’t even ask about the mast. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM To: 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Let’s se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years – works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 24, 2014 8:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didn't even ask about the mast. *Joe Della Barba* Coquina CC 35 MK I *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *John and Maryann Read via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM *To:* 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Let's se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years - works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Also, if someone could get my mast off in 15 minutes I would expect they could do my bottom paint and zincs in 10 minutes and replace my engine in 5 minutes. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: Josh Muckley [mailto:muckl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:29 AM To: Della Barba, Joe; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 24, 2014 8:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didn't even ask about the mast. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM To: 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Let's se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years - works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
My partner never sailed until she met me. I bought my CC24 5 years ago, 3 years into our relationship. She was game to try sailing, but the 1st day out the winds were about 20 knots. That's a bigger deal on Lake Champlain because the chop is so short compared to bigger water. You can really get banged around at 20 knots. I purposely took it easy, but she still hit the deck screaming when we heeled over. It didn't matter that I pointed out the local yacht club boats racing near us and how much more they were heeled over than us. For the next 3 years sailing friends would ask what kind of a day on the lake we had and they would know when I said, It was a 3 screamer (a good day, for me), or A one screamer (a pretty boring sail). It was so common that I finally named the boat because of it. I originally wanted an Irish name (I'm an Irish citizen, dual actually). Someone suggested Screaming Banshee, because of Kathy's screaming. I liked it at first, but Screaming might imply to people that I have a fast boat (not the case with me sailing her as a cruiser), so I named her Banshee, which also happens to be an Irish fairy maiden, that warns of impending doom (welcome aboard, you'll be fine). Kathy's screams have subsided to the point that we're naming the dinghy after her new sound, Low Pitiful Moan. The message is, given enough time and experience, it subsides. Ed On Sep 24, 2014, at 8:39 AM, Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com wrote: Relationships are compromise and tolerance. I have several sailing buddies whose wives won't go near a boat. At least they're honest and candid about their position. I have two friends whose ladies were interested in the boats while they were dating. Once they were wed, the ladies lost interest. On the other hand, I have sailing friends that use their boats as their man cave. I'd say that if Curtis' lady has stuck around for 30+ years, he's doing a lot of things right. Good on ya, Curtis. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Chuck You are lucky that your wife likes being aboard the boat. Sounds like you have a good system worked out Mike Persistence (as usual not a CC) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:44 PM To: Us; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl. Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't like that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a sailing course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+ years. We've had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under power or anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or rafting up. My daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took to sailing right off. He joined his college's sailing team and loves racing with me. I've raced the boat without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st time ever crew, so I assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain which line to put to what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my voice except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached them to steer and they loved steering. I've also taken guests who just wanted a ride, didn't want to do anything and I just set the autohelm and do it all like I do when I'm alone. My wife likes that style until it gets above 10 knots when the boat comes alive and we start making 6 plus knots and heel to 25 degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and then we're doing 7.3 knots and lovin it, until she's almost crying something like, do you have to make it lean so much? Let's find a place to go swimming. She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no desire to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat like a trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not there. I'm gonna order that tow toy. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:44:09 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Ok, here's a response from a woman. I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where my love for CC began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what really shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a spouse. When sailing on
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Reading these posts, I am considering a compromise that I have not done before. I usually leave my mast up and do not do anything special with halyards. But it seems an easy compromise would be to attach the halyard shackles to some cheap nylon line and run them up until the shackle hits the sheave and leave them like that. That way most of the halyard is protected from the sun/snow/wind etc. but you don’t have to hassle with messenger lines and potentially losing a halyard. Thoughts? Dave On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
That's what I have done a couple of times. It works. I'll do it again this year. Gary - Original Message - From: David Knecht via CnC-List To: CnC CnC discussion list Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Reading these posts, I am considering a compromise that I have not done before. I usually leave my mast up and do not do anything special with halyards. But it seems an easy compromise would be to attach the halyard shackles to some cheap nylon line and run them up until the shackle hits the sheave and leave them like that. That way most of the halyard is protected from the sun/snow/wind etc. but you don’t have to hassle with messenger lines and potentially losing a halyard. Thoughts? Dave On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
15 minutes would be great on my wallet. On those years when I take the mast down, I do try to get the crane use to be as low as possible. Maybe John was doing the same. In preparation, I leave everything hand tight for the yard the night before haul out. Provided it's not too windy. Sails off, Boom off, tie off all halyards so they are out of the way, loosen all turnbuckles so they can be taken off by hand, straighten all cotter pins so workers can pull them out by hand. When all that is done, it is conceivable that mast related crane work is less than half hour. 30 minutes times few guys at 90$ per hour, ends up being not that bad. One year I made a mistake of letting the yard do all of the work for me and got a 1800$ mast decommissioning bill. This was about 15 years ago so I imagine it would be even higher now. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:32 AM To: CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Also, if someone could get my mast off in 15 minutes I would expect they could do my bottom paint and zincs in 10 minutes and replace my engine in 5 minutes. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: Josh Muckley [mailto:muckl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:29 AM To: Della Barba, Joe; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 24, 2014 8:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didn't even ask about the mast. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM To: 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Let's se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years - works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Well, here I am pulling my mast in 2 ½ Minutes, mostly in the dark, with my spindly girlfriend doing most of the cranking. (uphill, both ways!) And I was poorly prepared last year! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpz1hAODZAY And Homey aint painting your bottom OR doing your engine! Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:32 AM To: CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Also, if someone could get my mast off in 15 minutes I would expect they could do my bottom paint and zincs in 10 minutes and replace my engine in 5 minutes. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: Josh Muckley [mailto:muckl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:29 AM To: Della Barba, Joe; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 24, 2014 8:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didnt even ask about the mast. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM To: 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Lets se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Bill Sure gets dark quickly where you are and you guys must down a lot of Red Bull! Spar crane setup looks pretty much the same as ours One additional comment. I used to store my mast outside on sawhorses in my back yard with spreaders attached. Water can get in to tuff luff, roller furling track, spreaders, etc ... Last few years I left it atop my boat in my yard with the spreaders removed and inside the boat and then I wrapped my entire mast in plastic to prevent water intrusion and subsequent freezing (was getting paranoid about my Tuff Luff I guess). With the new boat there is a spar shed where the masts are stored inside. Much nicer Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:15 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Well, here I am pulling my mast in 2 ½ Minutes, mostly in the dark, with my spindly girlfriend doing most of the cranking. (uphill, both ways!) And I was poorly prepared last year! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpz1hAODZAY And Homey ain't painting your bottom OR doing your engine! Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:32 AM To: CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Also, if someone could get my mast off in 15 minutes I would expect they could do my bottom paint and zincs in 10 minutes and replace my engine in 5 minutes. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: Josh Muckley [mailto:muckl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:29 AM To: Della Barba, Joe; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 24, 2014 8:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didn't even ask about the mast. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM To: 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Let's se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years - works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Wife doesn't like it when the boat leans
My wife doesn't like it either. She is afraid of heights. When the boat heels and she's on the high side she gets nervous. I'm quite happy to leave her at home. lol Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
Yea and I have the 675M81e On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: They changed to frameless in 1979 on the 30-1 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary Nylander via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:09 PM *To:* Della Barba, Joe; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements The earliest ones did, but they changed to the glued ones sometime in the late '70's. Gary - Original Message - *From:* Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:54 PM *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Doesn't the 30 MK I have the same aluminum frame ports the 35 MK I has? Those are pretty easy to DIY. *Joe Della Barba* *Coquina* *CC 35 MK I* *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:28 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements I've done a bunch of reading on this topic as my windows are cracked and need replacement. I don't have any experience actually doing it but I've read multiple different techniques -- so my comments should be taken with a grain (or bag) of salt! Nest year I may be able to speak from experience. I remember one discussion on the problem with adhesives was that the acrylic expands and contracts at different rates than the boat (or does not match boat flexing) and that most people put too thin a layer of adhesive - which could not absorb the movement. The recommended solution was to use double sided tape to keep the acrylic a couple millimeters off the gelcoat - then squeeze the adhesive caulk in around the edges for the water proofing. With more thickness there is more ability to absorb the different motions. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 23/09/2014 12:42 PM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List wrote: A few years ago I lightly ran a cutting knife around the outside edge of the 30-year glued windows, went inside and hit each one once, moderately, with my fist. Every one popped right out. No gelcoat damage, but scarily easy Did the cast acrylic/plexus routine, was happy with nice new ports except for the not so pretty glue line showing through #2404 bronze 3/8, but then this year the large window started leaking again. Broken-hearted would cover it. One of several reasons we're currently closing on a boat with Lewmar ports. Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curtis, be very careful when taking the old ones out. They are glued in with some powerful stuff and you stand a good chance of chipping the gelcoat around the windows (don't ask me how I know). You may want to try a dremel or one of those vibrating side cutters (Fein tool?). Then you have to clean up the area where the adhesive was - it was probably laid on pretty thick and is another dremel job - again - care. Some folks use a special adhesive called Plexus, which is a two part glue and needs a special gun for application. The windows are bonded into the side of the cabin and are part of the structure. You have to hold them in place (they are slightly bent to match the curve of your cabin). Or you can use Sikaflex 295, which requires a cleaner, a primer (mandatory!!!) and the adhesive. Don't get creative and try anything else, there are probably 100 war stories about folks who have experimented and then got the opportunity to do it right the next year. Search through the archives on the site - most of the late '70's and later original CC's had glued in windows and there are a lot of threads on this repair. It is doable but not trivial. Jake had a pretty good description if I remember correctly. Gary Nylander (Been there with moderate success) - Original Message - *From:* Curtis via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:21 AM *Subject:* Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping leaks in them windows sense I got the boat? I also want to rebuild the forward hatch and need something strong and that lets in more light. I need to know if the gasket
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
The one time I pulled my mast I had to: 1. Remove jib, fold, and put away. 2. Remove main, fold, and put away. 3. Remove boom 4. Main halyard is fixed to the reel winch on one end, so I had to cut the shackle off the other end 5. Unwire the lights and radio antenna. 6. Get all turnbuckles loosened and cotter pins out. 7. Get crane driver to go find the crane and drive it over. 8. Get line around mast. 9. *Actually pulling the line with the crane and getting the mast off the boat was a couple of minutes* 10. Get a few people to help carry the mast to the storage rack. If you ONLY count the time the crane is actually pulling upwards, 2 minutes is it ;) In other news, it only took about 5 minutes to lower the new engine onto the mounts, but there were a few steps before and after that. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:15 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Well, here I am pulling my mast in 2 ½ Minutes, mostly in the dark, with my spindly girlfriend doing most of the cranking. (uphill, both ways!) And I was poorly prepared last year! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpz1hAODZAY And Homey ain't painting your bottom OR doing your engine! Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:32 AM To: CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Also, if someone could get my mast off in 15 minutes I would expect they could do my bottom paint and zincs in 10 minutes and replace my engine in 5 minutes. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: Josh Muckley [mailto:muckl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:29 AM To: Della Barba, Joe; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 24, 2014 8:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didn't even ask about the mast. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM To: 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Let's se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years - works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
This probably _is_ a regional thing. If you do it regularly twice a year, the amount of time at the crane is less than 30 min. Our Club policy is that you can book the crane for just 30 min. Most people can manage under that limit. Marek From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:40 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didn’t even ask about the mast. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM To: 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Let’s se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years – works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Chuck, It sounds like you really need to own two boats. A trawler around 36 - 42 feet for trips with the wife, and a CC 25, 27, or 30 that you and your son can race relatively I expensively and also daysail when the wife isn't along. Take heart. It has been said that all of us will end up in a trawler as we get into our 70s (and in a land yacht after that), so you would just be getting ahead of the curve. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2014, at 22:44, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl. Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't like that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a sailing course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+ years. We've had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under power or anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or rafting up. My daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took to sailing right off. He joined his college's sailing team and loves racing with me. I've raced the boat without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st time ever crew, so I assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain which line to put to what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my voice except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached them to steer and they loved steering. I've also taken guests who just wanted a ride, didn't want to do anything and I just set the autohelm and do it all like I do when I'm alone. My wife likes that style until it gets above 10 knots when the boat comes alive and we start making 6 plus knots and heel to 25 degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and then we're doing 7.3 knots and lovin it, until she's almost crying something like, do you have to make it lean so much? Let's find a place to go swimming. She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no desire to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat like a trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not there. I'm gonna order that tow toy. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:44:09 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Ok, here's a response from a woman. I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where my love for CC began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what really shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, you see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it you relax, a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving every second. I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might certainly see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a higher level of confidence. I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very patient and good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be happy to help as well... Joanne Mocny S/V Obsession CC 37/40+ Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the Caribbean. A friend went - loved it. Gary - Original Message - From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Dennis / others, Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, I'd be interested in your opinions too. Thanks, Tim On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long ladies only sailing class. It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a coed group. She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc. Chances are it will be a much more positive experience for her. I've had a couple lady friends do it and they absolutely swear it's the only way to learn sailing. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
or a cat! On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Chuck, It sounds like you really need to own two boats. A trawler around 36 - 42 feet for trips with the wife, and a CC 25, 27, or 30 that you and your son can race relatively I expensively and also daysail when the wife isn't along. Take heart. It has been said that all of us will end up in a trawler as we get into our 70s (and in a land yacht after that), so you would just be getting ahead of the curve. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2014, at 22:44, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl. Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't like that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a sailing course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+ years. We've had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under power or anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or rafting up. My daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took to sailing right off. He joined his college's sailing team and loves racing with me. I've raced the boat without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st time ever crew, so I assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain which line to put to what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my voice except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached them to steer and they loved steering. I've also taken guests who just wanted a ride, didn't want to do anything and I just set the autohelm and do it all like I do when I'm alone. My wife likes that style until it gets above 10 knots when the boat comes alive and we start making 6 plus knots and heel to 25 degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and then we're doing 7.3 knots and lovin it, until she's almost crying something like, do you have to make it lean so much? Let's find a place to go swimming. She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no desire to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat like a trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not there. I'm gonna order that tow toy. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- *From: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent: *Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:44:09 PM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Ok, here's a response from a woman. I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where my love for CC began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what really shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, you see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it you relax, a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving every second. I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might certainly see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a higher level of confidence. I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very patient and good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be happy to help as well... Joanne Mocny S/V Obsession CC 37/40+ Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the Caribbean. A friend went - loved it. Gary - Original Message - *From:* Tim Goodyear via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Dennis / others, Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, I'd be interested in your opinions too. Thanks, Tim On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long ladies only sailing class. It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a coed group. She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc. Chances are it will be a much more positive
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Chuck, we need to get the wives together! My wife doesn't like it either, but she does put up with it. Fortunately, she explained she has every confidence in me and the boat. I might be white knuckled at the helm, worrying about my 40 year old boat, while she's curled up in a corner of the cockpit reading a book! She absolutely hates to race but reluctantly crews my Comet, but only because our son and fiance' are sailing theirs. Might be on the river this Saturday. Should be a nice weekend! Chris Price Pradel 35 Mk I - Original Message - From: Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Us djmo...@bellsouth.net, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:44:13 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl. Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't like that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a sailing course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+ years. We've had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under power or anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or rafting up. My daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took to sailing right off. He joined his college's sailing team and loves racing with me. I've raced the boat without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st time ever crew, so I assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain which line to put to what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my voice except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached them to steer and they loved steering. I've also taken guests who just wanted a ride, didn't want to do anything and I just set the autohelm and do it all like I do when I'm alone. My wife likes that style until it gets above 10 knots when the boat comes alive and we start making 6 plus knots and heel to 25 degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and then we're doing 7.3 knots and lovin it, until she's almost crying something like, do you have to make it lean so much? Let's find a place to go swimming. She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no desire to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat like a trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not there. I'm gonna order that tow toy. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:44:09 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Ok, here's a response from a woman. I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where my love for CC began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what really shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, you see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it you relax, a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving every second. I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might certainly see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a higher level of confidence. I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very patient and good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be happy to help as well... Joanne Mocny S/V Obsession CC 37/40+ Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the Caribbean. A friend went - loved it. Gary blockquote - Original Message - From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Dennis / others, Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, I'd be interested in your opinions too. Thanks, Tim On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long ladies only sailing class. It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a coed group. She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional support,
Re: Stus-List Wife doesn’t like it when the boat leans
My wife does not really enjoy rough weather or extended trips with a lot of heel. Her usual strategy is to go up to the V-berth and sleep until we get in to port. She is happy if our end destination includes interesting things to do on shore and showers are a big plus too. She isn’t afraid, she knows this how the boats work, she just would rather not get bashed around if we can avoid it. There are exceptions – once trying to beat out of Rock Hall in the narrow channel where the 25-30 knot southerly was funneling waves the length of the Bay into a confined area was miserable and slow. I think we were maybe making good 2 knots at best. *I* was getting tired of it and mentioned maybe going back and waiting for the wind to change. I was informed there was some kind of antique sale going on in Chestertown and I was going to keep going and wake me up when we get there! Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife doesn’t like it when the boat leans
Joe Della Barba OTSO DCSI DMB SSA 410.966.7255 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:07 PM To: Rick Brass; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans or a cat! No- bad idea! If my wife ever spends the day sailing flat doing 10 knots I’ll never get her back on a monohull. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC Northeast Rendezvous 2015
Edd, I'll be willing to help out with the 2015 Rendezvous. Notwithstanding my location, I think the CT shoreline is preferable to Long Island, given that many will drive and we know what driving on a summer weekend on LI can be like. Neil Gallagher Weatherly, 35-1 Glen Cove, NY On 9/23/2014 11:49 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote: Listers, With the paint barely dry on the 2014 Northeast Rendezvous, I'd like to start planning the 2015 event. As I've mentioned, with the 2012 event in Mystic, the 2013 event at Block Island and with the 2014 event in Newport, I think we need to move the group into LI Sound before we end up in Maine, Greenland or the UK. Please take a minute or two and fill out this survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/9L7SD97 Personally, I think a place with slips and a wealth of amenities (rec area, pool, showers, restaurant) would be a preference, but if you have other thoughts, I'd like to hear them. I have a pretty good idea in my head on what I'd like the rendezvous to be, but, as I tell my race crew: I may not always be right, but I'm never in doubt. If you wish to volunteer to help, I will be happy to take you up on it. Finally, a big thank you to all those who have worked so hard to make the past three events such an amazing success. It's such a great group of people and my only complaint is that we don't get together more often. Well, that, and where to store all these Mohegan Sun Cheese Boards All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC Northeast Rendezvous 2015
Neil, Thanks — Will surely hit you up for the help as we get closer. I agree that he CT shoreline is best and I’m teetering between Milford and Clinton. Both have slips and facilities that would be conducive to a rendezvous, as well as both being in mid-Sound to attract the many CCs that are there. Milford is more mid-Sound than Clinton, but I want to be sure that some of the usual attendees won’t be turned off by the extra 20 miles. Stay tuned. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Neil Gallagher njgallag...@optonline.net wrote: Edd, I'll be willing to help out with the 2015 Rendezvous. Notwithstanding my location, I think the CT shoreline is preferable to Long Island, given that many will drive and we know what driving on a summer weekend on LI can be like. Neil Gallagher Weatherly, 35-1 Glen Cove, NY On 9/23/2014 11:49 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote: Listers, With the paint barely dry on the 2014 Northeast Rendezvous, I’d like to start planning the 2015 event. As I’ve mentioned, with the 2012 event in Mystic, the 2013 event at Block Island and with the 2014 event in Newport, I think we need to move the group into LI Sound before we end up in Maine, Greenland or the UK. Please take a minute or two and fill out this survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/9L7SD97 Personally, I think a place with slips and a wealth of amenities (rec area, pool, showers, restaurant) would be a preference, but if you have other thoughts, I’d like to hear them. I have a pretty good idea in my head on what I’d like the rendezvous to be, but, as I tell my race crew: I may not always be right, but I’m never in doubt. If you wish to volunteer to help, I will be happy to take you up on it. Finally, a big thank you to all those who have worked so hard to make the past three events such an amazing success. It’s such a great group of people and my only complaint is that we don’t get together more often. Well, that, and where to store all these Mohegan Sun Cheese Boards…. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC Northeast Rendezvous 2015
Edd, Maybe consider Branford too, although I would like to actually sail to a rendezvous. Brewer Bruce Johnson's marina had available slips this year (getting all boats together might be an issue), and the facility has a swimming pool, restaurant (beer selection dubious) and recently built grilling / firepit / covered outdoor space available. There are other restaurants available up the river (and the new Stony Creek Brewery should be open next summer) and a trip round the Thimble Islands is always nice. Those with 9' draft may have issues getting into the river at low water springs... Tim On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Neil, Thanks — Will surely hit you up for the help as we get closer. I agree that he CT shoreline is best and I’m teetering between Milford and Clinton. Both have slips and facilities that would be conducive to a rendezvous, as well as both being in mid-Sound to attract the many CCs that are there. Milford is more mid-Sound than Clinton, but I want to be sure that some of the usual attendees won’t be turned off by the extra 20 miles. Stay tuned. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Neil Gallagher njgallag...@optonline.net wrote: Edd, I'll be willing to help out with the 2015 Rendezvous. Notwithstanding my location, I think the CT shoreline is preferable to Long Island, given that many will drive and we know what driving on a summer weekend on LI can be like. Neil Gallagher Weatherly, 35-1 Glen Cove, NY On 9/23/2014 11:49 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote: Listers, With the paint barely dry on the 2014 Northeast Rendezvous, I’d like to start planning the 2015 event. As I’ve mentioned, with the 2012 event in Mystic, the 2013 event at Block Island and with the 2014 event in Newport, I think we need to move the group into LI Sound before we end up in Maine, Greenland or the UK. Please take a minute or two and fill out this survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/9L7SD97 Personally, I think a place with slips and a wealth of amenities (rec area, pool, showers, restaurant) would be a preference, but if you have other thoughts, I’d like to hear them. I have a pretty good idea in my head on what I’d like the rendezvous to be, but, as I tell my race crew: I may not always be right, but I’m never in doubt. If you wish to volunteer to help, I will be happy to take you up on it. Finally, a big thank you to all those who have worked so hard to make the past three events such an amazing success. It’s such a great group of people and my only complaint is that we don’t get together more often. Well, that, and where to store all these Mohegan Sun Cheese Boards…. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 30 One Design
Brent - Here are my reactions to the boat ride. First of all it was a blast. Given that, I have the following observations: The boat (CC 30 One Design) is nice looking but not much different than boats of its type (Melges 30, Mumm 30, etc.) I just saw a picture of a Farr 400 and it is quite similar as well. My first thought was that I expected the boat to be faster upwind. We were crewed by the Peruvian J24 Team in for the J24 Worlds being held this week. They did not give up the helm. In addition there were two CC reps and myself, my wife and two other CC rendezvousers. That put enough meat on the rails. Our target speed upwind was 6 knots and that was about where we stayed. I expected 8 knots but on afterthought 6 knots was pretty good for the 8-10 knots of true wind we were seeing. I was also surprised how much the boat heeled in that amount of wind. We were at about 25 - 30 degrees. I thought these sleds were supposed to sail flat but Barry Carrol said it is designed to sail on its relatively hard chine (which it was on). (Given all that whetted surface my guess is that's the on ly way to get the boat going upwind in a moderate breeze). There is a foot brace on each side of the boat but it doesn't extend back to the stern where I was sitting and I have to hold onto the life lines so as not to be ejected from the boat. The boat sailed consistently upwind at about 6 knots with an apparent wind angle of about 35-39 degrees and 8 - 10 knots speed true (read from the instruments on the mast). When we got to the end of the bay and hit the chop from the Sound the boat pounded and slowed (I would fault the helmsman for that but the boat certainly did not power through the waves in spite of its plumb bow. The boat has no backstay but has two runners. Each runner has its own winch near the stern and on each tack the windward runner must be released and then the new windward runner tightened after the tack (else the boom will hit it but the mast will stand without the runners). The sails were North 3DI sailed flat (any shape in the sail is built into the sail ). The jib has a track going athwart ship (beam wise) so it can be trimmed in toward the mast. When we turned downwind and raised the spinnaker off the sprit the boat came to life and the excitement began. We accelerated quickly to 10 knots sometimes seeing 11 in only 10 knots of wind. I was at the stern and you could see the water flow behind in a rush. At times the rig hummed like a violin. This boat was definitely designed to sail off the wind. While other boats were slogging down wind with there genoas we flew past them (though we were sailing at about 135 degrees apparent and had to jibe back). There is a video of the boat sailing on the CC website that is pretty close to my experience on it. Anyway - just some of my observations. This is definitely not a cruising boat and not a day sailor. It requires a full crew to handle and to keep it standing but it is a blast to sail on. Adam Marks (who owns a CC 40) was on board as well and might want to share some of his thoughts. Jerry CC 27 V JJ. Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Interesting thread this one. My oldest son loves sailing but my youngest son (20) can't stand the heeling. My wife of 1+ years has taken to it just fine and has been my helmslady for fall racing going on 3 years now. When I am taking novice guests out, it has sometimes helped to put in a reef even if not needed (or 2nd reef as required) to make things comfy for them. Maybe roll up a bit of headsail too. What may be a bit dull for you might be quite exhilarating for others . . . Cheers Steve Hood S/V Diamond Girl CC 34 Lions Head ON On Sep 23, 2014, at 22:44, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl. Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't like that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a sailing course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+ years. We've had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under power or anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or rafting up. My daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took to sailing right off. He joined his college's sailing team and loves racing with me. I've raced the boat without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st time ever crew, so I assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain which line to put to what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my voice except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached them to steer and they loved steering. I've also taken guests who just wanted a ride, didn't want to do anything and I just set the autohelm and do it all like I do when I'm alone. My wife likes that style until it gets above 10 knots when the boat comes alive and we start making 6 plus knots and heel to 25 degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and then we're doing 7.3 knots and lovin it, until she's almost crying something like, do you have to make it lean so much? Let's find a place to go swimming. She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no desire to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat like a trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not there. I'm gonna order that tow toy. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Hello all You may remember my post some months ago My dad gave me this boat and I asked whether or not it was worth it etc Everyone seemed to say hell yeah I gotta say its been great what a great boat And now I'm hooked I've got to say the restoration so far has been fun and the best advice you guys gave was just get out there and sail her Yeah My question is when do I haul out any ideas I'm in Ipswich ma ? Thanks Dan Puffin hull #148 1970 31 corvette Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
