Re: Stus-List Garden Lights and totally irrelevant
I'm at the dock. Live aboards don't like this they say too many lights. On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: PS. Replace the stock battery with a 2100mha -plus rechargeable and it will last until dawn. I wrote: I have a solar garden light tie wrapped at both bow and stern, ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- *Best regards,* *Curtis McDaniel, * *CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady* Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. -Mark Twain *cpt.b...@gmail.com bobhick...@rogers.com* * __/) * . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge?
I go with the addition of weight to make a one-design target. Not sure why on a 29, but On a non CC boat I raced on (one of the earlier ones of that make built) there was 180 pounds of lead in the aft portion - to make the minimum - because the later boats were built differently and weighed more. And the story of having weight added and losing seconds and then taking it out and losing more - a friend had an Andrews 26 with an inboard. It died, they removed it and replaced it with an outboard - thus losing the prop, strut, heavy motor, shaft, etc. And got a 3 second help in the PHRF department! Go figure! Gary - Original Message - From: Dennis C. via CnC-List To: tim ; CnClist Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge? PHRF cheat weight. Buddy of mine found about 150# of lead hidden under the floor of his boat after he bought it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, tim via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi, I am cleaning out my bilge, and tightening the keel bolts. In doing the cleanout, I found a chuck of shaped lead (probably 20#) towards the front of the bilge area. It is not attached to anything. It is angled to fit in the bilge. Just curious if anyone may know the purpose of the chunk? Thanks for your thoughts. Tim W. 1976 29’ Mk1 s/v Sly Fox ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Anchor question
Looking for feedback on new anchors. Currently I have a Kingston brand, 30lb, CQR anchor. Not too impressed with its ability to bite even into the nicest sand. Having read a ton of info, reviews and comments I'm looking at the 'new' style anchors. I was tempted to go with a Mantus - but price is high and no local distributer. Ronca's are on sale right now at the Binnacle - so that makes the decision easier. The question is what size. I've read the typical 'minimum 1 foot of chain and 1 pound of anchor for every foot of boat'. But not sure how well it applies to new versions. Reading Ronca's recommendations http://www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide My 8000lb 30 ft CS 30 would easily fit the 10kg (22lb) recommendation. Sure. For the extra $60 I could bump up to the bigger anchor. Not sure how well either will fit on my bow. I'm sure the heavier anchor would be harder to haul up - but maybe worth it for the peace of mind? Reading some independent reviews (as posted by Ronca) http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.php One claims the Ronca 15 consistently held with 4500lbs. A chart ( The ABYC Horizontal Working Load (lbs) Table) of expected anchor strains suggests a 30ft boat would only exert 2800lbs of anchor strain in a 60kt severe storm --- not something I expect to confront in my costal cruising. I'm on the fence. On one hand tempted to just bump up to the 15kg and deal with the minor extra challenge dragging the anchor up (I'm fit enough to manage) - then its never a concern and when I do start venturing further along the coast I have a security blanket. On the other wondering if I'm getting into foolish overkill as the 15kg anchor could manage a boat 2x my weight in a heavy storm. Thoughts and opinions welcome. Mark -- Dr. Mark Bodnar -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge?
The 29 mkI is notoriously tender, at least for the back in the days standards. There is one racing here that added 200 pounds with a home made bulb kit (a shoe) to the keel. And i can tell you that this boat is very fast at all points of sail and winning on a regular basis, ok more than me... even with th PHRF penalty. Well worth it in my opinion for this particular design. He can keep more sail in a blow and this boat with its wide and flat shape kind of pops out of the water. Very impressive and must be one of the hull design that could be easier to surf than other. A boat ahead of its time in my opinion, but reduce sail early or add weight! Bruno Bécassine, 87 33MKII New-richmond, Qc To: capt...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:42:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com I go with the addition of weight to make a one-design target. Not sure why on a 29, but On a non CC boat I raced on (one of the earlier ones of that make built) there was 180 pounds of lead in the aft portion - to make the minimum - because the later boats were built differently and weighed more. And the story of having weight added and losing seconds and then taking it out and losing more - a friend had an Andrews 26 with an inboard. It died, they removed it and replaced it with an outboard - thus losing the prop, strut, heavy motor, shaft, etc. And got a 3 second help in the PHRF department! Go figure! Gary - Original Message - From: Dennis C. via CnC-List To: tim ; CnClist Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge? PHRF cheat weight. Buddy of mine found about 150# of lead hidden under the floor of his boat after he bought it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, tim via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi, I am cleaning out my bilge, and tightening the keel bolts. In doing the cleanout, I found a chuck of shaped lead (probably 20#) towards the front of the bilge area. It is not attached to anything. It is angled to fit in the bilge. Just curious if anyone may know the purpose of the chunk? Thanks for your thoughts. Tim W. 1976 29’ Mk1 s/v Sly Fox ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs
… and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship’s running lights on at night. Here’s another one that I found “amusing”, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there’s an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck level lights. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe: it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute for deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com http://dainyrays.blogspot.com/ There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs
Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is “steaming light” another term for masthead light? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM To: Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs … and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship’s running lights on at night. Here’s another one that I found “amusing”, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there’s an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck level lights. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe: it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute for deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com http://dainyrays.blogspot.com/ There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs
You got it. Steaming=masthead. On Nov 6, 2014 11:06 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is steaming light another term for masthead light? *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Godwin via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM *To:* Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs ... and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship's running lights on at night. Here's another one that I found amusing, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there's an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin's Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck level lights. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe: it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute for deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs
Actually, steaming light is a white light with a 225 degree viewing angle often mounted on the front of the mast: http://www.go2marine.com/item/98972/perko-steaming-light-vertical-mount-12-volt-1331dp0chr.html Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: You got it. Steaming=masthead. On Nov 6, 2014 11:06 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is “steaming light” another term for masthead light? *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Godwin via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM *To:* Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs … and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship’s running lights on at night. Here’s another one that I found “amusing”, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there’s an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck level lights. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe: it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute for deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs
See: http://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Nov 6, 2014, at 11:15 AM, wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I must disagree. Steaming light is forward facing white light located approximately 2/3 way up mast and showing 225 degrees forward only, lit along with running lights when motoring a sailing vessel. It is not all around white masthead light. my belief. Bill Walker Evening Star CnV 36 Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com, Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com Subject: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2014 11:07 AM You got it. Steaming=masthead. On Nov 6, 2014 11:06 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is steaming light another term for masthead light? *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Godwin via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM *To:* Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs ... and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship's running lights on at night. Here's another one that I found amusing, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there's an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin's Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck level lights. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe: it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute for deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs
I agree, White all around mast head light is Anchor . Tim From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:16 AM To: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs I must disagree. Steaming light is forward facing white light located approximately 2/3 way up mast and showing 225 degrees forward only, lit along with running lights when motoring a sailing vessel. It is not all around white masthead light. my belief. Bill Walker Evening Star CnV 36 Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com, Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.commailto:bstrat...@falconnect.com Subject: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2014 11:07 AM You got it. Steaming=masthead. On Nov 6, 2014 11:06 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is steaming light another term for masthead light? *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Godwin via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM *To:* Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs ... and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship's running lights on at night. Here's another one that I found amusing, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there's an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin's Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck level lights. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe: it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute for deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.commailto:dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com This communication is confidential. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnoticehttp://www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice Ce message est confidentiel. Notre transmission et réception de courriels se fait strictement suivant les modalités énoncées dans l’avis publié à www.rogers.com/aviscourriel http://www.rogers.com/aviscourriel ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Jeez, not only am I lighting installation challenged, so to with the Reply vs Reply All key…. Dave Begin forwarded message: From: Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Date: November 6, 2014 at 11:26:52 AM EST To: Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com Hahahaha! As someone who once started to mount their tricolor in that configuration I can only imagine what that must have been like. Run away! Damn sailboat people. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin (1988 Mako 261 CC, twin 200’s. Damn stinkpotter…) Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 6, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: You want amusing? How about trying to dodge a big ship showing only the range lights in the middle of a rainy night in Chesapeake bay...only to find out it was a sailboat motorsailing showing a steaming light and a tricolor...which was mounted backwards so the white sector shone forward! Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 6, 2014, at 10:49, Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com mailto:dave.god...@me.com wrote: … and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship’s running lights on at night. Here’s another one that I found “amusing”, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there’s an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck level lights. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe: it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute for deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com http://dainyrays.blogspot.com/ There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs
Sorry, the vernacular is confusing. Steaming is the headlight placed on the mast. Not the light on the masthead. My OEM CC panel has a switch labelled Headlight. I have to remind myself that it is not Head Light. Josh On Nov 6, 2014 11:18 AM, wwadjo...@aol.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I must disagree. Steaming light is forward facing white light located approximately 2/3 way up mast and showing 225 degrees forward only, lit along with running lights when motoring a sailing vessel. It is not all around white masthead light. my belief. Bill Walker Evening Star CnV 36 Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com, Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com Subject: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2014 11:07 AM You got it. Steaming=masthead. On Nov 6, 2014 11:06 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is steaming light another term for masthead light? *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Godwin via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM *To:* Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs ... and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship's running lights on at night. Here's another one that I found amusing, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there's an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin's Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck level lights. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe: it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute for deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Well, not exactly. The steaming light is not at the top of the mast. It is somewhere in the vicinity of the first set of spreaders. It is not at the mast HEAD. It is a mast headlight. Bill Bina On 11/6/2014 11:07 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: You got it. Steaming=masthead. On Nov 6, 2014 11:06 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is steaming light another term for masthead light? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Right, mast headlight not masthead light. Sorry for all the confusion. On Nov 6, 2014 11:38 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Well, not exactly. The steaming light is not at the top of the mast. It is somewhere in the vicinity of the first set of spreaders. It is not at the mast HEAD. It is a mast headlight. Bill Bina On 11/6/2014 11:07 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: You got it. Steaming=masthead. On Nov 6, 2014 11:06 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is steaming light another term for masthead light? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Now this is a headlight — https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/headlight.jpg LED’s — highly recommended for those dark nights driving through a mooring field. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Nov 6, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Sorry, the vernacular is confusing. Steaming is the headlight placed on the mast. Not the light on the masthead. My OEM CC panel has a switch labelled Headlight. I have to remind myself that it is not Head Light. Josh ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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It is kind of funny how a “steaming light” can many people confused. The main point is that a sailboat is a sailboat and boat under power, depending on its current situation at the time (if the engine is running, it is a power boat, if it is not running, it is a sailboat (the actual term is “in use” (not “engine running”), but from what I read so far, if your engine is running and you are simply out of gear, you would be still considered “under power”)). The lights configuration has to reflect what you are. A sailboat (let’s not dwell on the length at this point) needs the side lights (red and green) and the stern light (white). A power boat needs the same side lights and an all around white light. How you accomplish the above is up to you (or the boat manufacturer). The most common approach is to have an extra “steaming light” that closes the circle - your stern light plus the steaming light provide full 360 degrees white light. This way you have one switch to turn your sailing lights (side and stern) and another one to turn the steaming light, when you turn on the engine. Another option is to have a full circle white light (e.g. on top of the mast) and use your side and stern lights when sailing and the side lights and the full circle white light when under power. This requires to have a separate switch for your stern light (and of course one for the full circle light), because if you use full circle light, you have to switch your stern light off. You cannot repeat any prescribed light so, if you have tricolour on the top of the mast, you cannot use the side (bow) lights or vice versa. People who sail off shore tend to put a tricolour on the top of the mast for a number of reasons. One is that it is only one bulb (instead of three). Another is that, especially with some waves, the deck level lights are not visible from afar. My personal experience is that you cannot see them from more then two wavelength away. But you cannot use the tricolour AND the deck level lights at the same time. People who sail in-shore or in coastal water would say that a light at the masthead is of no use, because nobody looks that high up. Even an anchor light at the top of the mast might be too high on some anchorages. Interestingly, the same discussion is (was) happening at the Sailboat Owners Forum. Marek From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:05 AM To: 'Dave Godwin' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is “steaming light” another term for masthead light? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM To: Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs … and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship’s running lights on at night. Here’s another one that I found “amusing”, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there’s an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck level lights. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe: it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute for deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences,
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The changes made to the CC27 with the mark III version, including reducing the keel by 400 pounds, resulted in a similar sailing boat I think. I usually raced double handed, and could never get it to point when the wind picked up. Worked great in light air. Finally in the last race of the season, and in the last year that I did much racing, I had 4 crew for rail meat on a windy day. What a difference that made! I can only conclude that the design was optimised for fully crewed boats. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON P.S. Hauled the boat on Monday. - Original Message - From: Bruno Lachance via CnC-List To: Gary Nylander ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge? The 29 mkI is notoriously tender, at least for the back in the days standards. There is one racing here that added 200 pounds with a home made bulb kit (a shoe) to the keel. And i can tell you that this boat is very fast at all points of sail and winning on a regular basis, ok more than me... even with th PHRF penalty. Well worth it in my opinion for this particular design. He can keep more sail in a blow and this boat with its wide and flat shape kind of pops out of the water. Very impressive and must be one of the hull design that could be easier to surf than other. A boat ahead of its time in my opinion, but reduce sail early or add weight! Bruno Bécassine, 87 33MKII New-richmond, Qc -- To: capt...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:42:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com I go with the addition of weight to make a one-design target. Not sure why on a 29, but On a non CC boat I raced on (one of the earlier ones of that make built) there was 180 pounds of lead in the aft portion - to make the minimum - because the later boats were built differently and weighed more. And the story of having weight added and losing seconds and then taking it out and losing more - a friend had an Andrews 26 with an inboard. It died, they removed it and replaced it with an outboard - thus losing the prop, strut, heavy motor, shaft, etc. And got a 3 second help in the PHRF department! Go figure! Gary - Original Message - From: Dennis C. via CnC-List To: tim ; CnClist Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge? PHRF cheat weight. Buddy of mine found about 150# of lead hidden under the floor of his boat after he bought it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, tim via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi, I am cleaning out my bilge, and tightening the keel bolts. In doing the cleanout, I found a chuck of shaped lead (probably 20#) towards the front of the bilge area. It is not attached to anything. It is angled to fit in the bilge. Just curious if anyone may know the purpose of the chunk? Thanks for your thoughts. Tim W. 1976 29’ Mk1 s/v Sly Fox ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs
I guess it was the mast head term that had me confused at first but a quick bit of research shows that the 225 degree forward facing light 2/3 of the way up the mast is indeed referred to as the mast head light (where we put the spaces notwithstanding). I thought that was the light at the mast head but no that is the anchor light. I was down with all that but then saw the steaming light term and thus the question. It all makes sense to me now and frankly “steaming light” makes more sense. It is only used when steaming and it is not at the head of the mast. Sorry to start back up a conversation that has undoubtedly been had many times before. Thanks for the education From: Marek Dziedzic [mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:56 AM To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs It is kind of funny how a “steaming light” can many people confused. The main point is that a sailboat is a sailboat and boat under power, depending on its current situation at the time (if the engine is running, it is a power boat, if it is not running, it is a sailboat (the actual term is “in use” (not “engine running”), but from what I read so far, if your engine is running and you are simply out of gear, you would be still considered “under power”)). The lights configuration has to reflect what you are. A sailboat (let’s not dwell on the length at this point) needs the side lights (red and green) and the stern light (white). A power boat needs the same side lights and an all around white light. How you accomplish the above is up to you (or the boat manufacturer). The most common approach is to have an extra “steaming light” that closes the circle - your stern light plus the steaming light provide full 360 degrees white light. This way you have one switch to turn your sailing lights (side and stern) and another one to turn the steaming light, when you turn on the engine. Another option is to have a full circle white light (e.g. on top of the mast) and use your side and stern lights when sailing and the side lights and the full circle white light when under power. This requires to have a separate switch for your stern light (and of course one for the full circle light), because if you use full circle light, you have to switch your stern light off. You cannot repeat any prescribed light so, if you have tricolour on the top of the mast, you cannot use the side (bow) lights or vice versa. People who sail off shore tend to put a tricolour on the top of the mast for a number of reasons. One is that it is only one bulb (instead of three). Another is that, especially with some waves, the deck level lights are not visible from afar. My personal experience is that you cannot see them from more then two wavelength away. But you cannot use the tricolour AND the deck level lights at the same time. People who sail in-shore or in coastal water would say that a light at the masthead is of no use, because nobody looks that high up. Even an anchor light at the top of the mast might be too high on some anchorages. Interestingly, the same discussion is (was) happening at the Sailboat Owners Forum. Marek From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:05 AM To: 'Dave Godwin' mailto:dave.god...@me.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is “steaming light” another term for masthead light? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM To: Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs … and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship’s running lights on at night. Here’s another one that I found “amusing”, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there’s an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck level lights. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 3,
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Marek, one other difference: I find it harder to judge the distance of others boats if they have a masthead light. It only really matters when racing and I am on port - otherwise, I stay away. AIS helps if the other boat is so equipped. Joel On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: It is kind of funny how a “steaming light” can many people confused. The main point is that a sailboat is a sailboat and boat under power, depending on its current situation at the time (if the engine is running, it is a power boat, if it is not running, it is a sailboat (the actual term is “in use” (not “engine running”), but from what I read so far, if your engine is running and you are simply out of gear, you would be still considered “under power”)). The lights configuration has to reflect what you are. A sailboat (let’s not dwell on the length at this point) needs the side lights (red and green) and the stern light (white). A power boat needs the same side lights and an all around white light. How you accomplish the above is up to you (or the boat manufacturer). The most common approach is to have an extra “steaming light” that closes the circle - your stern light plus the steaming light provide full 360 degrees white light. This way you have one switch to turn your sailing lights (side and stern) and another one to turn the steaming light, when you turn on the engine. Another option is to have a full circle white light (e.g. on top of the mast) and use your side and stern lights when sailing and the side lights and the full circle white light when under power. This requires to have a separate switch for your stern light (and of course one for the full circle light), because if you use full circle light, you have to switch your stern light off. You cannot repeat any prescribed light so, if you have tricolour on the top of the mast, you cannot use the side (bow) lights or vice versa. People who sail off shore tend to put a tricolour on the top of the mast for a number of reasons. One is that it is only one bulb (instead of three). Another is that, especially with some waves, the deck level lights are not visible from afar. My personal experience is that you cannot see them from more then two wavelength away. But you cannot use the tricolour AND the deck level lights at the same time. People who sail in-shore or in coastal water would say that a light at the masthead is of no use, because nobody looks that high up. Even an anchor light at the top of the mast might be too high on some anchorages. Interestingly, the same discussion is (was) happening at the Sailboat Owners Forum. Marek *From:* Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:05 AM *To:* 'Dave Godwin' dave.god...@me.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is “steaming light” another term for masthead light? *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Godwin via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM *To:* Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs … and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship’s running lights on at night. Here’s another one that I found “amusing”, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there’s an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck level lights. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe: it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute for deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is
Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs
Joel, this, actually, jives well with what I said about sailing in-shore. The same applies if you are sailing in close quarters. If you see the lights at the deck level, then there is no advantage in having them at the top of the mast. The opposite is true, as well. If you cannot see the deck lights, the top of the mast lights have an advantage. Marek From: Joel Aronson Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 12:17 PM To: Marek Dziedzic ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Marek, one other difference: I find it harder to judge the distance of others boats if they have a masthead light. It only really matters when racing and I am on port - otherwise, I stay away. AIS helps if the other boat is so equipped. Joel On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: It is kind of funny how a “steaming light” can many people confused. The main point is that a sailboat is a sailboat and boat under power, depending on its current situation at the time (if the engine is running, it is a power boat, if it is not running, it is a sailboat (the actual term is “in use” (not “engine running”), but from what I read so far, if your engine is running and you are simply out of gear, you would be still considered “under power”)). The lights configuration has to reflect what you are. A sailboat (let’s not dwell on the length at this point) needs the side lights (red and green) and the stern light (white). A power boat needs the same side lights and an all around white light. How you accomplish the above is up to you (or the boat manufacturer). The most common approach is to have an extra “steaming light” that closes the circle - your stern light plus the steaming light provide full 360 degrees white light. This way you have one switch to turn your sailing lights (side and stern) and another one to turn the steaming light, when you turn on the engine. Another option is to have a full circle white light (e.g. on top of the mast) and use your side and stern lights when sailing and the side lights and the full circle white light when under power. This requires to have a separate switch for your stern light (and of course one for the full circle light), because if you use full circle light, you have to switch your stern light off. You cannot repeat any prescribed light so, if you have tricolour on the top of the mast, you cannot use the side (bow) lights or vice versa. People who sail off shore tend to put a tricolour on the top of the mast for a number of reasons. One is that it is only one bulb (instead of three). Another is that, especially with some waves, the deck level lights are not visible from afar. My personal experience is that you cannot see them from more then two wavelength away. But you cannot use the tricolour AND the deck level lights at the same time. People who sail in-shore or in coastal water would say that a light at the masthead is of no use, because nobody looks that high up. Even an anchor light at the top of the mast might be too high on some anchorages. Interestingly, the same discussion is (was) happening at the Sailboat Owners Forum. Marek From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:05 AM To: 'Dave Godwin' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is “steaming light” another term for masthead light? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM To: Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs … and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship’s running lights on at night. Here’s another one that I found “amusing”, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there’s an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck level lights. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List
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My only hold up with using my deck lights instead of the tri-color is that my tri-color uplights my windex very nicely. Josh On Nov 6, 2014 12:30 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joel, this, actually, jives well with what I said about sailing in-shore. The same applies if you are sailing in close quarters. If you see the lights at the deck level, then there is no advantage in having them at the top of the mast. The opposite is true, as well. If you cannot see the deck lights, the top of the mast lights have an advantage. Marek *From:* Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 12:17 PM *To:* Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Marek, one other difference: I find it harder to judge the distance of others boats if they have a masthead light. It only really matters when racing and I am on port - otherwise, I stay away. AIS helps if the other boat is so equipped. Joel On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: It is kind of funny how a steaming light can many people confused. The main point is that a sailboat is a sailboat and boat under power, depending on its current situation at the time (if the engine is running, it is a power boat, if it is not running, it is a sailboat (the actual term is in use (not engine running), but from what I read so far, if your engine is running and you are simply out of gear, you would be still considered under power)). The lights configuration has to reflect what you are. A sailboat (let's not dwell on the length at this point) needs the side lights (red and green) and the stern light (white). A power boat needs the same side lights and an all around white light. How you accomplish the above is up to you (or the boat manufacturer). The most common approach is to have an extra steaming light that closes the circle - your stern light plus the steaming light provide full 360 degrees white light. This way you have one switch to turn your sailing lights (side and stern) and another one to turn the steaming light, when you turn on the engine. Another option is to have a full circle white light (e.g. on top of the mast) and use your side and stern lights when sailing and the side lights and the full circle white light when under power. This requires to have a separate switch for your stern light (and of course one for the full circle light), because if you use full circle light, you have to switch your stern light off. You cannot repeat any prescribed light so, if you have tricolour on the top of the mast, you cannot use the side (bow) lights or vice versa. People who sail off shore tend to put a tricolour on the top of the mast for a number of reasons. One is that it is only one bulb (instead of three). Another is that, especially with some waves, the deck level lights are not visible from afar. My personal experience is that you cannot see them from more then two wavelength away. But you cannot use the tricolour AND the deck level lights at the same time. People who sail in-shore or in coastal water would say that a light at the masthead is of no use, because nobody looks that high up. Even an anchor light at the top of the mast might be too high on some anchorages. Interestingly, the same discussion is (was) happening at the Sailboat Owners Forum. Marek *From:* Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:05 AM *To:* 'Dave Godwin' dave.god...@me.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is steaming light another term for masthead light? *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Godwin via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM *To:* Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs ... and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship's running lights on at night. Here's another one that I found amusing, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there's an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin's Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it
Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs
Ed: What's the link for that headlight??:...very nifty idea. Ron C. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:50 AM To: CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Now this is a headlight - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/headlight.jpg LED's - highly recommended for those dark nights driving through a mooring field. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ Captain's Log On Nov 6, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Sorry, the vernacular is confusing. Steaming is the headlight placed on the mast. Not the light on the masthead. My OEM CC panel has a switch labelled Headlight. I have to remind myself that it is not Head Light. Josh ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Dr. LED makes spreader lights with rail mounts which could be easily mounted on a bow pulpit. Defender sells them. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ed: What’s the link for that “headlight”??:…..very nifty idea. Ron C. -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Edd Schillay via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:50 AM *To:* CC List *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Now this is a headlight — https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/headlight.jpg LED’s — highly recommended for those dark nights driving through a mooring field. All the best, Edd ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Mark, Buy a copy of Earl Hinz’s book on anchoring. It is one of the best I have read on the art and science of anchoring. The best anchor varies with how and where you will be using it and how well it is set. I keep a copy of that book on board except when racing locally. On Calypso, when cruising or voyaging I carry an oversized CQR, 90’ of chain, and 250’ of rode. (We do have a windlass.) The secondary anchor is a Danforth style, properly sized, steel construction with less chain and rode. When racing locally I have the Danforth along with a second small Danforth as the back-up. In my experience, the Danforth works better in loose sand and mud than the CQR. In most other PNW anchoring conditions the CQR has held well however the 90’ of chain and being oversized improves holding performance. On past boats I have also used a Fortress aluminum anchor (similar to a Danforth design) and on OPB (other peoples boats) used a Bruce style. If I was “in the market” for a new anchor and rode and did not have a windlass I would certainly consider the newer designs with a close eye to the anchoring condition where I expected to use it. Read about improving “light” anchor performance with a “kellet” or similar extra weight. Adding the extra weight may allow you to keep the anchor and rode weight down to the non-windlass range but improve the anchor holding significantly. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 7:08 AM To: CC list Subject: Stus-List Anchor question Looking for feedback on new anchors. Currently I have a Kingston brand, 30lb, CQR anchor. Not too impressed with its ability to bite even into the nicest sand. Having read a ton of info, reviews and comments I'm looking at the 'new' style anchors. I was tempted to go with a Mantus - but price is high and no local distributer. Ronca's are on sale right now at the Binnacle - so that makes the decision easier. The question is what size. I've read the typical 'minimum 1 foot of chain and 1 pound of anchor for every foot of boat'. But not sure how well it applies to new versions. Reading Ronca's recommendations http://www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide My 8000lb 30 ft CS 30 would easily fit the 10kg (22lb) recommendation. Sure. For the extra $60 I could bump up to the bigger anchor. Not sure how well either will fit on my bow. I'm sure the heavier anchor would be harder to haul up - but maybe worth it for the peace of mind? Reading some independent reviews (as posted by Ronca) http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.php One claims the Ronca 15 consistently held with 4500lbs. A chart ( The ABYC Horizontal Working Load (lbs) Table) of expected anchor strains suggests a 30ft boat would only exert 2800lbs of anchor strain in a 60kt severe storm --- not something I expect to confront in my costal cruising. I'm on the fence. On one hand tempted to just bump up to the 15kg and deal with the minor extra challenge dragging the anchor up (I'm fit enough to manage) - then its never a concern and when I do start venturing further along the coast I have a security blanket. On the other wondering if I'm getting into foolish overkill as the 15kg anchor could manage a boat 2x my weight in a heavy storm. Thoughts and opinions welcome. Mark -- Dr. Mark Bodnar -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Rechargeable C cell batteries - Nicro solar vent
The battery on my new style Nicro solar vent finally died (Nicro model N20703S). Seemed to last the 3-5 years in Nicro's literature. The manual states at least 2800 mAh C cell is needed. I replaced it with a Nuon 3000 mAh C cell from a local battery store. Now I'm researching them and find Nuon batteries don't get good reviews. Be interested in hearing listers experiences with other brands. Other brands are Powerizer, Tenergy, GLE, etc. *Note*: Must be *minimum *2800 MaH. (For example: Energizers are only 2500). I'm assuming that less than 2800 would work but wouldn't work well in winter. Short days, long nights and cold temps would probably cause energy to run out in the wee hours. FYI: Changing the battery in the new style Nicro vents is a PIA. After you remove the 3 mounting screws, you have carefully pry the solar panels up to reveal the battery and change it. Flexing the panel is likely to crack it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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My Bruce 30# has worked well for my 37+ in the Chesapeake Bay. If I wanted to improve my anchoring performance I agree with Martin's thoughts of a kellet. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 6, 2014 10:08 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Looking for feedback on new anchors. Currently I have a Kingston brand, 30lb, CQR anchor. Not too impressed with its ability to bite even into the nicest sand. Having read a ton of info, reviews and comments I'm looking at the 'new' style anchors. I was tempted to go with a Mantus - but price is high and no local distributer. Ronca's are on sale right now at the Binnacle - so that makes the decision easier. The question is what size. I've read the typical 'minimum 1 foot of chain and 1 pound of anchor for every foot of boat'. But not sure how well it applies to new versions. Reading Ronca's recommendations http://www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide My 8000lb 30 ft CS 30 would easily fit the 10kg (22lb) recommendation. Sure. For the extra $60 I could bump up to the bigger anchor. Not sure how well either will fit on my bow. I'm sure the heavier anchor would be harder to haul up - but maybe worth it for the peace of mind? Reading some independent reviews (as posted by Ronca) http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.php One claims the Ronca 15 consistently held with 4500lbs. A chart ( The ABYC Horizontal Working Load (lbs) Table) of expected anchor strains suggests a 30ft boat would only exert 2800lbs of anchor strain in a 60kt severe storm --- not something I expect to confront in my costal cruising. I'm on the fence. On one hand tempted to just bump up to the 15kg and deal with the minor extra challenge dragging the anchor up (I'm fit enough to manage) - then its never a concern and when I do start venturing further along the coast I have a security blanket. On the other wondering if I'm getting into foolish overkill as the 15kg anchor could manage a boat 2x my weight in a heavy storm. Thoughts and opinions welcome. Mark -- Dr. Mark Bodnar -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rechargeable C cell batteries - Nicro solar vent
2800-3000 sounds low for a C cell since I've seen AAs with 2900. A quick search and I found the link below. Looks like 5000-6000 is in range. http://www.onlybatteries.com/c-nimh-rechargeable-batteries-14-2-112-1015.asp Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 6, 2014 1:53 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The battery on my new style Nicro solar vent finally died (Nicro model N20703S). Seemed to last the 3-5 years in Nicro's literature. The manual states at least 2800 mAh C cell is needed. I replaced it with a Nuon 3000 mAh C cell from a local battery store. Now I'm researching them and find Nuon batteries don't get good reviews. Be interested in hearing listers experiences with other brands. Other brands are Powerizer, Tenergy, GLE, etc. *Note*: Must be *minimum *2800 MaH. (For example: Energizers are only 2500). I'm assuming that less than 2800 would work but wouldn't work well in winter. Short days, long nights and cold temps would probably cause energy to run out in the wee hours. FYI: Changing the battery in the new style Nicro vents is a PIA. After you remove the 3 mounting screws, you have carefully pry the solar panels up to reveal the battery and change it. Flexing the panel is likely to crack it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rechargeable C cell batteries - Nicro solar vent
many rechargeable C batteries are repackaged AA batteries (in a bigger housing), so if you see a C with around 2500-2700 mAh, it is most likely one of those. Marek From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 2:37 PM To: CC List ; Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List Rechargeable C cell batteries - Nicro solar vent 2800-3000 sounds low for a C cell since I've seen AAs with 2900. A quick search and I found the link below. Looks like 5000-6000 is in range. http://www.onlybatteries.com/c-nimh-rechargeable-batteries-14-2-112-1015.asp Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 6, 2014 1:53 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The battery on my new style Nicro solar vent finally died (Nicro model N20703S). Seemed to last the 3-5 years in Nicro's literature. The manual states at least 2800 mAh C cell is needed. I replaced it with a Nuon 3000 mAh C cell from a local battery store. Now I'm researching them and find Nuon batteries don't get good reviews. Be interested in hearing listers experiences with other brands. Other brands are Powerizer, Tenergy, GLE, etc. Note: Must be minimum 2800 MaH. (For example: Energizers are only 2500). I'm assuming that less than 2800 would work but wouldn't work well in winter. Short days, long nights and cold temps would probably cause energy to run out in the wee hours. FYI: Changing the battery in the new style Nicro vents is a PIA. After you remove the 3 mounting screws, you have carefully pry the solar panels up to reveal the battery and change it. Flexing the panel is likely to crack it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I have never had any issues with my Danforth but it is pretty sandy / mucky around here. In fact the last time I used it a front came through Newport and blew real hard all night long. Didn't move at all. I was more worried about my ground tackle than dragging the anchor. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 2:26 PM To: M Bod; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Anchor question My Bruce 30# has worked well for my 37+ in the Chesapeake Bay. If I wanted to improve my anchoring performance I agree with Martin's thoughts of a kellet. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 6, 2014 10:08 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Looking for feedback on new anchors. Currently I have a Kingston brand, 30lb, CQR anchor. Not too impressed with its ability to bite even into the nicest sand. Having read a ton of info, reviews and comments I'm looking at the 'new' style anchors. I was tempted to go with a Mantus - but price is high and no local distributer. Ronca's are on sale right now at the Binnacle - so that makes the decision easier. The question is what size. I've read the typical 'minimum 1 foot of chain and 1 pound of anchor for every foot of boat'. But not sure how well it applies to new versions. Reading Ronca's recommendations http://www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide My 8000lb 30 ft CS 30 would easily fit the 10kg (22lb) recommendation. Sure. For the extra $60 I could bump up to the bigger anchor. Not sure how well either will fit on my bow. I'm sure the heavier anchor would be harder to haul up - but maybe worth it for the peace of mind? Reading some independent reviews (as posted by Ronca) http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.ph p One claims the Ronca 15 consistently held with 4500lbs. A chart ( The ABYC Horizontal Working Load (lbs) Table) of expected anchor strains suggests a 30ft boat would only exert 2800lbs of anchor strain in a 60kt severe storm --- not something I expect to confront in my costal cruising. I'm on the fence. On one hand tempted to just bump up to the 15kg and deal with the minor extra challenge dragging the anchor up (I'm fit enough to manage) - then its never a concern and when I do start venturing further along the coast I have a security blanket. On the other wondering if I'm getting into foolish overkill as the 15kg anchor could manage a boat 2x my weight in a heavy storm. Thoughts and opinions welcome. Mark -- Dr. Mark Bodnar -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Do you know a good chiropractor? :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Nov 6, 2014, at 9:08 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: On one hand tempted to just bump up to the 15kg and deal with the minor extra challenge dragging the anchor up (I'm fit enough to manage) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Hi Mark I've got a Rocna 15 hanging on the front of Secret Plans, and now that the boats are hauled if you like you could borrow it to do a test fit and see how it hangs. I'm very happy with it. I do have a windlass tho' Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-11-06 11:08 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List wrote: Looking for feedback on new anchors. Currently I have a Kingston brand, 30lb, CQR anchor. Not too impressed with its ability to bite even into the nicest sand. Having read a ton of info, reviews and comments I'm looking at the 'new' style anchors. I was tempted to go with a Mantus - but price is high and no local distributer. Ronca's are on sale right now at the Binnacle - so that makes the decision easier. The question is what size. I've read the typical 'minimum 1 foot of chain and 1 pound of anchor for every foot of boat'. But not sure how well it applies to new versions. Reading Ronca's recommendations http://www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide My 8000lb 30 ft CS 30 would easily fit the 10kg (22lb) recommendation. Sure. For the extra $60 I could bump up to the bigger anchor. Not sure how well either will fit on my bow. I'm sure the heavier anchor would be harder to haul up - but maybe worth it for the peace of mind? Reading some independent reviews (as posted by Ronca) http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.php One claims the Ronca 15 consistently held with 4500lbs. A chart ( The ABYC Horizontal Working Load (lbs) Table) of expected anchor strains suggests a 30ft boat would only exert 2800lbs of anchor strain in a 60kt severe storm --- not something I expect to confront in my costal cruising. I'm on the fence. On one hand tempted to just bump up to the 15kg and deal with the minor extra challenge dragging the anchor up (I'm fit enough to manage) - then its never a concern and when I do start venturing further along the coast I have a security blanket. On the other wondering if I'm getting into foolish overkill as the 15kg anchor could manage a boat 2x my weight in a heavy storm. Thoughts and opinions welcome. Mark -- Dr. Mark Bodnar -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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While we're on the topic of anchors, how do those of you with windlasses have then mounted. I've considered one but can't figure out a good solution for my 37+. Pictures would be awsome. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 6, 2014 4:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Mark I've got a Rocna 15 hanging on the front of Secret Plans, and now that the boats are hauled if you like you could borrow it to do a test fit and see how it hangs. I'm very happy with it. I do have a windlass tho' Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-11-06 11:08 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List wrote: Looking for feedback on new anchors. Currently I have a Kingston brand, 30lb, CQR anchor. Not too impressed with its ability to bite even into the nicest sand. Having read a ton of info, reviews and comments I'm looking at the 'new' style anchors. I was tempted to go with a Mantus - but price is high and no local distributer. Ronca's are on sale right now at the Binnacle - so that makes the decision easier. The question is what size. I've read the typical 'minimum 1 foot of chain and 1 pound of anchor for every foot of boat'. But not sure how well it applies to new versions. Reading Ronca's recommendations http://www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide My 8000lb 30 ft CS 30 would easily fit the 10kg (22lb) recommendation. Sure. For the extra $60 I could bump up to the bigger anchor. Not sure how well either will fit on my bow. I'm sure the heavier anchor would be harder to haul up - but maybe worth it for the peace of mind? Reading some independent reviews (as posted by Ronca) http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.php One claims the Ronca 15 consistently held with 4500lbs. A chart ( The ABYC Horizontal Working Load (lbs) Table) of expected anchor strains suggests a 30ft boat would only exert 2800lbs of anchor strain in a 60kt severe storm --- not something I expect to confront in my costal cruising. I'm on the fence. On one hand tempted to just bump up to the 15kg and deal with the minor extra challenge dragging the anchor up (I'm fit enough to manage) - then its never a concern and when I do start venturing further along the coast I have a security blanket. On the other wondering if I'm getting into foolish overkill as the 15kg anchor could manage a boat 2x my weight in a heavy storm. Thoughts and opinions welcome. Mark -- Dr. Mark Bodnar -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Mark, If all you want is a lunch hook the smaller one is fine for your boat. If you plan to do extended cruising where you could be caught in an anchorage (as opposed to a marina) in a storm then I would re-evaluate. I'm not doing extended cruising, so personally I would not upsize. (I have a 22 lb Delta and only 10 feet of chain. Yes, I need more chain.) Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: While we're on the topic of anchors, how do those of you with windlasses have then mounted. I've considered one but can't figure out a good solution for my 37+. Pictures would be awsome. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 6, 2014 4:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Mark I've got a Rocna 15 hanging on the front of Secret Plans, and now that the boats are hauled if you like you could borrow it to do a test fit and see how it hangs. I'm very happy with it. I do have a windlass tho' Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-11-06 11:08 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List wrote: Looking for feedback on new anchors. Currently I have a Kingston brand, 30lb, CQR anchor. Not too impressed with its ability to bite even into the nicest sand. Having read a ton of info, reviews and comments I'm looking at the 'new' style anchors. I was tempted to go with a Mantus - but price is high and no local distributer. Ronca's are on sale right now at the Binnacle - so that makes the decision easier. The question is what size. I've read the typical 'minimum 1 foot of chain and 1 pound of anchor for every foot of boat'. But not sure how well it applies to new versions. Reading Ronca's recommendations http://www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide My 8000lb 30 ft CS 30 would easily fit the 10kg (22lb) recommendation. Sure. For the extra $60 I could bump up to the bigger anchor. Not sure how well either will fit on my bow. I'm sure the heavier anchor would be harder to haul up - but maybe worth it for the peace of mind? Reading some independent reviews (as posted by Ronca) http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.php One claims the Ronca 15 consistently held with 4500lbs. A chart ( The ABYC Horizontal Working Load (lbs) Table) of expected anchor strains suggests a 30ft boat would only exert 2800lbs of anchor strain in a 60kt severe storm --- not something I expect to confront in my costal cruising. I'm on the fence. On one hand tempted to just bump up to the 15kg and deal with the minor extra challenge dragging the anchor up (I'm fit enough to manage) - then its never a concern and when I do start venturing further along the coast I have a security blanket. On the other wondering if I'm getting into foolish overkill as the 15kg anchor could manage a boat 2x my weight in a heavy storm. Thoughts and opinions welcome. Mark -- Dr. Mark Bodnar -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Josh, I’ve looked in to this for my 37+. The best solution I’ve found is to build a shelf inside your anchor locker that would have a horizontal windlass mounted on it. I hear Lewmar’s Pro-Series works well (http://www.lewmar.com/products.asp?id=8329type=110channel=1) It looks like Dave on Ronin (on this list) is doing something similar on his CC 37 — See: http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/2014/10/anchor-windlass-shelf.html. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Nov 6, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: While we're on the topic of anchors, how do those of you with windlasses have then mounted. I've considered one but can't figure out a good solution for my 37+. Pictures would be awsome. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 6, 2014 4:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Mark I've got a Rocna 15 hanging on the front of Secret Plans, and now that the boats are hauled if you like you could borrow it to do a test fit and see how it hangs. I'm very happy with it. I do have a windlass tho' Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-11-06 11:08 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List wrote: Looking for feedback on new anchors. Currently I have a Kingston brand, 30lb, CQR anchor. Not too impressed with its ability to bite even into the nicest sand. Having read a ton of info, reviews and comments I'm looking at the 'new' style anchors. I was tempted to go with a Mantus - but price is high and no local distributer. Ronca's are on sale right now at the Binnacle - so that makes the decision easier. The question is what size. I've read the typical 'minimum 1 foot of chain and 1 pound of anchor for every foot of boat'. But not sure how well it applies to new versions. Reading Ronca's recommendations http://www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide http://www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide My 8000lb 30 ft CS 30 would easily fit the 10kg (22lb) recommendation. Sure. For the extra $60 I could bump up to the bigger anchor. Not sure how well either will fit on my bow. I'm sure the heavier anchor would be harder to haul up - but maybe worth it for the peace of mind? Reading some independent reviews (as posted by Ronca) http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.php http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.php One claims the Ronca 15 consistently held with 4500lbs. A chart ( The ABYC Horizontal Working Load (lbs) Table) of expected anchor strains suggests a 30ft boat would only exert 2800lbs of anchor strain in a 60kt severe storm --- not something I expect to confront in my costal cruising. I'm on the fence. On one hand tempted to just bump up to the 15kg and deal with the minor extra challenge dragging the anchor up (I'm fit enough to manage) - then its never a concern and when I do start venturing further along the coast I have a security blanket. On the other wondering if I'm getting into foolish overkill as the 15kg anchor could manage a boat 2x my weight in a heavy storm. Thoughts and opinions welcome. Mark -- Dr. Mark Bodnar -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rechargeable C cell batteries - Nicro solar vent
Dennis, The Tenergy brand have a good reputation with the R/C crowd. I would recommend sticking to NiCd type batteries for this application. They have a lower capacity than NiMH but usually hold up much better. Tenergy makes a 3500mAh C-cell. A good source for quality batteries is your local hobby shop (one that deals with R/C planes, not a chain type hobby store). The rechargeable batteries you typically find at chain stores are low quality junk and more expensive to boot! James From: Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:53 PM To: CnClist Subject: Stus-List Rechargeable C cell batteries - Nicro solar vent The battery on my new style Nicro solar vent finally died (Nicro model N20703S). Seemed to last the 3-5 years in Nicro's literature. The manual states at least 2800 mAh C cell is needed. I replaced it with a Nuon 3000 mAh C cell from a local battery store. Now I'm researching them and find Nuon batteries don't get good reviews. Be interested in hearing listers experiences with other brands. Other brands are Powerizer, Tenergy, GLE, etc. Note: Must be minimum 2800 MaH. (For example: Energizers are only 2500). I'm assuming that less than 2800 would work but wouldn't work well in winter. Short days, long nights and cold temps would probably cause energy to run out in the wee hours. FYI: Changing the battery in the new style Nicro vents is a PIA. After you remove the 3 mounting screws, you have carefully pry the solar panels up to reveal the battery and change it. Flexing the panel is likely to crack it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Josh and Edd, Yes, that’s is exactly what I have done. Built a reinforced shelf that allows the windlass to be mounted and the hatch closed over top when not in use. I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that my design was based on taking items from approaches that several other members of this list sent me as examples of adding anchoring gear on their boats. Of course, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and it’s going to be at least a year before I get to actually use the windlass... Best, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 6, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Josh, I’ve looked in to this for my 37+. The best solution I’ve found is to build a shelf inside your anchor locker that would have a horizontal windlass mounted on it. I hear Lewmar’s Pro-Series works well (http://www.lewmar.com/products.asp?id=8329type=110channel=1 http://www.lewmar.com/products.asp?id=8329type=110channel=1) It looks like Dave on Ronin (on this list) is doing something similar on his CC 37 — See: http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/2014/10/anchor-windlass-shelf.html http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/2014/10/anchor-windlass-shelf.html. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Nov 6, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: While we're on the topic of anchors, how do those of you with windlasses have then mounted. I've considered one but can't figure out a good solution for my 37+. Pictures would be awsome. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 6, 2014 4:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Mark I've got a Rocna 15 hanging on the front of Secret Plans, and now that the boats are hauled if you like you could borrow it to do a test fit and see how it hangs. I'm very happy with it. I do have a windlass tho' Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-11-06 11:08 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List wrote: Looking for feedback on new anchors. Currently I have a Kingston brand, 30lb, CQR anchor. Not too impressed with its ability to bite even into the nicest sand. Having read a ton of info, reviews and comments I'm looking at the 'new' style anchors. I was tempted to go with a Mantus - but price is high and no local distributer. Ronca's are on sale right now at the Binnacle - so that makes the decision easier. The question is what size. I've read the typical 'minimum 1 foot of chain and 1 pound of anchor for every foot of boat'. But not sure how well it applies to new versions. Reading Ronca's recommendations http://www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide http://www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide My 8000lb 30 ft CS 30 would easily fit the 10kg (22lb) recommendation. Sure. For the extra $60 I could bump up to the bigger anchor. Not sure how well either will fit on my bow. I'm sure the heavier anchor would be harder to haul up - but maybe worth it for the peace of mind? Reading some independent reviews (as posted by Ronca) http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.php http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.php One claims the Ronca 15 consistently held with 4500lbs. A chart ( The ABYC Horizontal Working Load (lbs) Table) of expected anchor strains suggests a 30ft boat would only exert 2800lbs of anchor strain in a 60kt severe storm --- not something I expect to confront in my costal cruising. I'm on the fence. On one hand tempted to just bump up to the 15kg and deal with the minor extra challenge dragging the anchor up (I'm fit enough to manage) - then its never a concern and when I do start venturing further along the coast I have a security blanket. On the other wondering if I'm getting into foolish overkill as the 15kg anchor could manage a boat 2x my weight in a heavy storm. Thoughts and opinions welcome. Mark -- Dr. Mark Bodnar -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page
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Thanks Dave. Looks great but for me for me I think hauling the anchor by hand is going to be less work...for me...right now. Josh On Nov 6, 2014 5:42 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Josh and Edd, Yes, that's is exactly what I have done. Built a reinforced shelf that allows the windlass to be mounted and the hatch closed over top when not in use. I would be remiss if I didn't mention that my design was based on taking items from approaches that several other members of this list sent me as examples of adding anchoring gear on their boats. Of course, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and it's going to be at least a year before I get to actually use the windlass... Best, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin's Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 6, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Josh, I've looked in to this for my 37+. The best solution I've found is to build a shelf inside your anchor locker that would have a horizontal windlass mounted on it. I hear Lewmar's Pro-Series works well ( http://www.lewmar.com/products.asp?id=8329type=110channel=1) It looks like Dave on Ronin (on this list) is doing something similar on his CC 37 -- See: http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/2014/10/anchor-windlass-shelf.html. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Nov 6, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: While we're on the topic of anchors, how do those of you with windlasses have then mounted. I've considered one but can't figure out a good solution for my 37+. Pictures would be awsome. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 6, 2014 4:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Mark I've got a Rocna 15 hanging on the front of Secret Plans, and now that the boats are hauled if you like you could borrow it to do a test fit and see how it hangs. I'm very happy with it. I do have a windlass tho' Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-11-06 11:08 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List wrote: Looking for feedback on new anchors. Currently I have a Kingston brand, 30lb, CQR anchor. Not too impressed with its ability to bite even into the nicest sand. Having read a ton of info, reviews and comments I'm looking at the 'new' style anchors. I was tempted to go with a Mantus - but price is high and no local distributer. Ronca's are on sale right now at the Binnacle - so that makes the decision easier. The question is what size. I've read the typical 'minimum 1 foot of chain and 1 pound of anchor for every foot of boat'. But not sure how well it applies to new versions. Reading Ronca's recommendations http://www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide My 8000lb 30 ft CS 30 would easily fit the 10kg (22lb) recommendation. Sure. For the extra $60 I could bump up to the bigger anchor. Not sure how well either will fit on my bow. I'm sure the heavier anchor would be harder to haul up - but maybe worth it for the peace of mind? Reading some independent reviews (as posted by Ronca) http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.php One claims the Ronca 15 consistently held with 4500lbs. A chart ( The ABYC Horizontal Working Load (lbs) Table) of expected anchor strains suggests a 30ft boat would only exert 2800lbs of anchor strain in a 60kt severe storm --- not something I expect to confront in my costal cruising. I'm on the fence. On one hand tempted to just bump up to the 15kg and deal with the minor extra challenge dragging the anchor up (I'm fit enough to manage) - then its never a concern and when I do start venturing further along the coast I have a security blanket. On the other wondering if I'm getting into foolish overkill as the 15kg anchor could manage a boat 2x my weight in a heavy storm. Thoughts and opinions welcome. Mark -- Dr. Mark Bodnar -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at:
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Does anyone have a lead on where to get replacements for the little red lenses on the electrical panel of mid 80's CC's. Mine is an 84 35-3 and about 1/2 of the red caps are AWOL. I am also trying to track down about 12 of the cream colored caps that go over the screw and clear circular keeper on the removable ceiling panels . Thanks. Howard Paul, Skipper of Knot Again ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Howard, West sells the screw covers in white and ivory. Can't help with the LEDs, but I also need a few. Joel On Thursday, November 6, 2014, Howard and Skippy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does anyone have a lead on where to get replacements for the little red lenses on the electrical panel of mid 80's CC's. Mine is an 84 35-3 and about 1/2 of the red caps are AWOL. I am also trying to track down about 12 of the cream colored caps that go over the screw and clear circular keeper on the removable ceiling panels . Thanks. Howard Paul, Skipper of Knot Again ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Home improvement stores sell the screw caps. White and off white. Bill Walker. Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: Howard and Skippy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List post Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2014 6:18 PM Does anyone have a lead on where to get replacements for the little red lenses on the electrical panel of mid 80's CC's. Mine is an 84 35-3 and about 1/2 of the red caps are AWOL. I am also trying to track down about 12 of the cream colored caps that go over the screw and clear circular keeper on the removable ceiling panels . Thanks. Howard Paul, Skipper of Knot Again ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I've found those white caps available at electrical wholesalers. Brent CC 27-5 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Howard, West sells the screw covers in white and ivory. Can't help with the LEDs, but I also need a few. Joel On Thursday, November 6, 2014, Howard and Skippy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does anyone have a lead on where to get replacements for the little red lenses on the electrical panel of mid 80's CC's. Mine is an 84 35-3 and about 1/2 of the red caps are AWOL. I am also trying to track down about 12 of the cream colored caps that go over the screw and clear circular keeper on the removable ceiling panels . Thanks. Howard Paul, Skipper of Knot Again ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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This may work for replacement LED's: http://m.delcity.net/store/LED-Indicator-Pigtail-Lights/p_800789 Very pleased with Del City's other offerings and prices. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 5 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Nov 6, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Howard, West sells the screw covers in white and ivory. Can't help with the LEDs, but I also need a few. Joel On Thursday, November 6, 2014, Howard and Skippy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does anyone have a lead on where to get replacements for the little red lenses on the electrical panel of mid 80's CC's. Mine is an 84 35-3 and about 1/2 of the red caps are AWOL. I am also trying to track down about 12 of the cream colored caps that go over the screw and clear circular keeper on the removable ceiling panels . Thanks. Howard Paul, Skipper of Knot Again ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs
Lengths of boats must be taken into consideration when discussing legality of lights. A power boat UNDER 12 m can use an allround white. Over 12m they must have a masthead (steaming light) and stern light. It's nice to be able to identify the type and size of a vessel at night by observing the lights! -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Nov 6, 2014, at 11:56, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: It is kind of funny how a “steaming light” can many people confused. The main point is that a sailboat is a sailboat and boat under power, depending on its current situation at the time (if the engine is running, it is a power boat, if it is not running, it is a sailboat (the actual term is “in use” (not “engine running”), but from what I read so far, if your engine is running and you are simply out of gear, you would be still considered “under power”)). The lights configuration has to reflect what you are. A sailboat (let’s not dwell on the length at this point) needs the side lights (red and green) and the stern light (white). A power boat needs the same side lights and an all around white light. How you accomplish the above is up to you (or the boat manufacturer). The most common approach is to have an extra “steaming light” that closes the circle - your stern light plus the steaming light provide full 360 degrees white light. This way you have one switch to turn your sailing lights (side and stern) and another one to turn the steaming light, when you turn on the engine. Another option is to have a full circle white light (e.g. on top of the mast) and use your side and stern lights when sailing and the side lights and the full circle white light when under power. This requires to have a separate switch for your stern light (and of course one for the full circle light), because if you use full circle light, you have to switch your stern light off. You cannot repeat any prescribed light so, if you have tricolour on the top of the mast, you cannot use the side (bow) lights or vice versa. People who sail off shore tend to put a tricolour on the top of the mast for a number of reasons. One is that it is only one bulb (instead of three). Another is that, especially with some waves, the deck level lights are not visible from afar. My personal experience is that you cannot see them from more then two wavelength away. But you cannot use the tricolour AND the deck level lights at the same time. People who sail in-shore or in coastal water would say that a light at the masthead is of no use, because nobody looks that high up. Even an anchor light at the top of the mast might be too high on some anchorages. Interestingly, the same discussion is (was) happening at the Sailboat Owners Forum. Marek From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:05 AM To: 'Dave Godwin' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is “steaming light” another term for masthead light? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM To: Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs … and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship’s running lights on at night. Here’s another one that I found “amusing”, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there’s an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck level lights. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe: it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute for deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame
Re: Stus-List post
or these: http://www.defender.com/category.jsp?path=-1%7C65136id=2290033 Joel On Thursday, November 6, 2014, Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com wrote: This may work for replacement LED's: http://m.delcity.net/store/LED-Indicator-Pigtail-Lights/p_800789 Very pleased with Del City's other offerings and prices. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 5 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Nov 6, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote: Howard, West sells the screw covers in white and ivory. Can't help with the LEDs, but I also need a few. Joel On Thursday, November 6, 2014, Howard and Skippy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote: Does anyone have a lead on where to get replacements for the little red lenses on the electrical panel of mid 80's CC's. Mine is an 84 35-3 and about 1/2 of the red caps are AWOL. I am also trying to track down about 12 of the cream colored caps that go over the screw and clear circular keeper on the removable ceiling panels . Thanks. Howard Paul, Skipper of Knot Again ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','CnC-List@cnc-list.com'); To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Mine were a dollar less each :-) All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | NCC-1701-B City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- Sent from my iPad Air iPad. iTypos. iApologize On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:21 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: or these: http://www.defender.com/category.jsp?path=-1%7C65136id=2290033 Joel On Thursday, November 6, 2014, Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com wrote: This may work for replacement LED's: http://m.delcity.net/store/LED-Indicator-Pigtail-Lights/p_800789 Very pleased with Del City's other offerings and prices. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 5 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Nov 6, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Howard, West sells the screw covers in white and ivory. Can't help with the LEDs, but I also need a few. Joel On Thursday, November 6, 2014, Howard and Skippy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does anyone have a lead on where to get replacements for the little red lenses on the electrical panel of mid 80's CC's. Mine is an 84 35-3 and about 1/2 of the red caps are AWOL. I am also trying to track down about 12 of the cream colored caps that go over the screw and clear circular keeper on the removable ceiling panels . Thanks. Howard Paul, Skipper of Knot Again ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Anchor question
Hi Josh I'll drop you some pics. I mounted mine below deck at the back of the anchor locker. Lewmar V2 windlass. I also modified the anchor locker lid to let the chain run into it. Very happy as it doesn't clutter up the foredeck with things that I would bash my toes on. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-11-06 5:56 PM, Josh Muckley wrote: While we're on the topic of anchors, how do those of you with windlasses have then mounted. I've considered one but can't figure out a good solution for my 37+. Pictures would be awsome. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 6, 2014 4:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Mark I've got a Rocna 15 hanging on the front of Secret Plans, and now that the boats are hauled if you like you could borrow it to do a test fit and see how it hangs. I'm very happy with it. I do have a windlass tho' Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-11-06 11:08 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List wrote: Looking for feedback on new anchors. Currently I have a Kingston brand, 30lb, CQR anchor. Not too impressed with its ability to bite even into the nicest sand. Having read a ton of info, reviews and comments I'm looking at the 'new' style anchors. I was tempted to go with a Mantus - but price is high and no local distributer. Ronca's are on sale right now at the Binnacle - so that makes the decision easier. The question is what size. I've read the typical 'minimum 1 foot of chain and 1 pound of anchor for every foot of boat'. But not sure how well it applies to new versions. Reading Ronca's recommendations http://www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide My 8000lb 30 ft CS 30 would easily fit the 10kg (22lb) recommendation. Sure. For the extra $60 I could bump up to the bigger anchor. Not sure how well either will fit on my bow. I'm sure the heavier anchor would be harder to haul up - but maybe worth it for the peace of mind? Reading some independent reviews (as posted by Ronca) http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.php One claims the Ronca 15 consistently held with 4500lbs. A chart ( The ABYC Horizontal Working Load (lbs) Table) of expected anchor strains suggests a 30ft boat would only exert 2800lbs of anchor strain in a 60kt severe storm --- not something I expect to confront in my costal cruising. I'm on the fence. On one hand tempted to just bump up to the 15kg and deal with the minor extra challenge dragging the anchor up (I'm fit enough to manage) - then its never a concern and when I do start venturing further along the coast I have a security blanket. On the other wondering if I'm getting into foolish overkill as the 15kg anchor could manage a boat 2x my weight in a heavy storm. Thoughts and opinions welcome. Mark -- Dr. Mark Bodnar -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List post
Because mine says marine! On Thursday, November 6, 2014, Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com wrote: Mine were a dollar less each :-) All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | NCC-1701-B City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- Sent from my iPad Air iPad. iTypos. iApologize On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:21 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote: or these: http://www.defender.com/category.jsp?path=-1%7C65136id=2290033 Joel On Thursday, November 6, 2014, Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','e...@schillay.com'); wrote: This may work for replacement LED's: http://m.delcity.net/store/LED-Indicator-Pigtail-Lights/p_800789 Very pleased with Del City's other offerings and prices. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 5 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Nov 6, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Howard, West sells the screw covers in white and ivory. Can't help with the LEDs, but I also need a few. Joel On Thursday, November 6, 2014, Howard and Skippy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does anyone have a lead on where to get replacements for the little red lenses on the electrical panel of mid 80's CC's. Mine is an 84 35-3 and about 1/2 of the red caps are AWOL. I am also trying to track down about 12 of the cream colored caps that go over the screw and clear circular keeper on the removable ceiling panels . Thanks. Howard Paul, Skipper of Knot Again ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','CnC-List@cnc-list.com'); To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Essentra components. http://www.essentracomponents.com Jerry. CC 27 V JJ. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Howard and Skippy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does anyone have a lead on where to get replacements for the little red lenses on the electrical panel of mid 80's CC's. Mine is an 84 35-3 and about 1/2 of the red caps are AWOL. I am also trying to track down about 12 of the cream colored caps that go over the screw and clear circular keeper on the removable ceiling panels . Thanks. Howard Paul, Skipper of Knot Again ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I got mine from Paneltronics. The original lamps are actually neon bulbs, I reused the little trim rings and glued the LED's in with clear silicone. http://www.paneltronics.com/Electrical_Components.asp?op=Indicator-Lights Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 6 November 2014 18:46, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Essentra components. http://www.essentracomponents.com Jerry. CC 27 V JJ. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Howard and Skippy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does anyone have a lead on where to get replacements for the little red lenses on the electrical panel of mid 80's CC's. Mine is an 84 35-3 and about 1/2 of the red caps are AWOL. I am also trying to track down about 12 of the cream colored caps that go over the screw and clear circular keeper on the removable ceiling panels . Thanks. Howard Paul, Skipper of Knot Again ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rechargeable C cell batteries - Nicro solar vent
I have been running my Nicro vent on an Energizer 2500 mAh C cell for...I dunno, 4 or 5 years. It's pretty dark here a lot of the winter, and I have had no issues. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 6 November 2014 14:28, jtsails via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Dennis, The Tenergy brand have a good reputation with the R/C crowd. I would recommend sticking to NiCd type batteries for this application. They have a lower capacity than NiMH but usually hold up much better. Tenergy makes a 3500mAh C-cell. A good source for quality batteries is your local hobby shop (one that deals with R/C planes, not a chain type hobby store). The rechargeable batteries you typically find at chain stores are low quality junk and more expensive to boot! James *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:53 PM *To:* CnClist CnC-List@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Rechargeable C cell batteries - Nicro solar vent The battery on my new style Nicro solar vent finally died (Nicro model N20703S). Seemed to last the 3-5 years in Nicro's literature. The manual states at least 2800 mAh C cell is needed. I replaced it with a Nuon 3000 mAh C cell from a local battery store. Now I'm researching them and find Nuon batteries don't get good reviews. Be interested in hearing listers experiences with other brands. Other brands are Powerizer, Tenergy, GLE, etc. *Note*: Must be *minimum *2800 MaH. (For example: Energizers are only 2500). I'm assuming that less than 2800 would work but wouldn't work well in winter. Short days, long nights and cold temps would probably cause energy to run out in the wee hours. FYI: Changing the battery in the new style Nicro vents is a PIA. After you remove the 3 mounting screws, you have carefully pry the solar panels up to reveal the battery and change it. Flexing the panel is likely to crack it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rechargeable C cell batteries - Nicro solar vent
Jim, Is it still running at 5 or 6 am? That's important because that's when I think the highest potential for condensation is. Dennis C. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have been running my Nicro vent on an Energizer 2500 mAh C cell for...I dunno, 4 or 5 years. It's pretty dark here a lot of the winter, and I have had no issues. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 6 November 2014 14:28, jtsails via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Dennis, The Tenergy brand have a good reputation with the R/C crowd. I would recommend sticking to NiCd type batteries for this application. They have a lower capacity than NiMH but usually hold up much better. Tenergy makes a 3500mAh C-cell. A good source for quality batteries is your local hobby shop (one that deals with R/C planes, not a chain type hobby store). The rechargeable batteries you typically find at chain stores are low quality junk and more expensive to boot! James *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:53 PM *To:* CnClist CnC-List@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Rechargeable C cell batteries - Nicro solar vent The battery on my new style Nicro solar vent finally died (Nicro model N20703S). Seemed to last the 3-5 years in Nicro's literature. The manual states at least 2800 mAh C cell is needed. I replaced it with a Nuon 3000 mAh C cell from a local battery store. Now I'm researching them and find Nuon batteries don't get good reviews. Be interested in hearing listers experiences with other brands. Other brands are Powerizer, Tenergy, GLE, etc. *Note*: Must be *minimum *2800 MaH. (For example: Energizers are only 2500). I'm assuming that less than 2800 would work but wouldn't work well in winter. Short days, long nights and cold temps would probably cause energy to run out in the wee hours. FYI: Changing the battery in the new style Nicro vents is a PIA. After you remove the 3 mounting screws, you have carefully pry the solar panels up to reveal the battery and change it. Flexing the panel is likely to crack it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Anchor question
I wouldn't mind to see your pics if you don't mind. I have a 34+ and am considering how to install a windlass - would be nice to have it below deck for the sake of safety and possibly less spray/corrosion, etc. Thanks From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Graham Collins via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 6:20 PM To: Josh Muckley; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Anchor question Hi Josh I'll drop you some pics. I mounted mine below deck at the back of the anchor locker. Lewmar V2 windlass. I also modified the anchor locker lid to let the chain run into it. Very happy as it doesn't clutter up the foredeck with things that I would bash my toes on. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-11-06 5:56 PM, Josh Muckley wrote: While we're on the topic of anchors, how do those of you with windlasses have then mounted. I've considered one but can't figure out a good solution for my 37+. Pictures would be awsome. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 6, 2014 4:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Mark I've got a Rocna 15 hanging on the front of Secret Plans, and now that the boats are hauled if you like you could borrow it to do a test fit and see how it hangs. I'm very happy with it. I do have a windlass tho' Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-11-06 11:08 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List wrote: Looking for feedback on new anchors. Currently I have a Kingston brand, 30lb, CQR anchor. Not too impressed with its ability to bite even into the nicest sand. Having read a ton of info, reviews and comments I'm looking at the 'new' style anchors. I was tempted to go with a Mantus - but price is high and no local distributer. Ronca's are on sale right now at the Binnacle - so that makes the decision easier. The question is what size. I've read the typical 'minimum 1 foot of chain and 1 pound of anchor for every foot of boat'. But not sure how well it applies to new versions. Reading Ronca's recommendations http://www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide My 8000lb 30 ft CS 30 would easily fit the 10kg (22lb) recommendation. Sure. For the extra $60 I could bump up to the bigger anchor. Not sure how well either will fit on my bow. I'm sure the heavier anchor would be harder to haul up - but maybe worth it for the peace of mind? Reading some independent reviews (as posted by Ronca) http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/independent-performance-testing.ph p One claims the Ronca 15 consistently held with 4500lbs. A chart ( The ABYC Horizontal Working Load (lbs) Table) of expected anchor strains suggests a 30ft boat would only exert 2800lbs of anchor strain in a 60kt severe storm --- not something I expect to confront in my costal cruising. I'm on the fence. On one hand tempted to just bump up to the 15kg and deal with the minor extra challenge dragging the anchor up (I'm fit enough to manage) - then its never a concern and when I do start venturing further along the coast I have a security blanket. On the other wondering if I'm getting into foolish overkill as the 15kg anchor could manage a boat 2x my weight in a heavy storm. Thoughts and opinions welcome. Mark -- Dr. Mark Bodnar -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs
A Masthead light is white and covers an arc of 225 degrees facing forward and is at least 2 meters above your navigation and stern lights. If you have a power driven vessel less than 12 meters, under rule 23 you can use an all-around white light instead of the masthead light and stern light. A sailboat does not show a masthead light. That’s how you know it is a sailboat. So on sailboats it is common to call it a steaming light (you only use it when under power – “steaming” ) but the proper term is masthead light. An all-around white light at the top of the mast is shown when at anchor or aground, and commonly called an anchor light. It may also be used in various patterns (though usually not at the top of the mast) with other colored lights to designate the type of boat (Red over white, fishing tonight. Or Green over white, trawling tonight. Or red-white-red for restricted in ability to maneuver.) See the COLREGS. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:16 AM To: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs I must disagree. Steaming light is forward facing white light located approximately 2/3 way up mast and showing 225 degrees forward only, lit along with running lights when motoring a sailing vessel. It is not all around white masthead light. my belief. Bill Walker Evening Star CnV 36 Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com , Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com mailto:bstrat...@falconnect.com Subject: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2014 11:07 AM You got it. Steaming=masthead. On Nov 6, 2014 11:06 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light? For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights, tri-color (which is mounted on the mast and used as an alternate to the deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is steaming light another term for masthead light? *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Godwin via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM *To:* Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs ... and I could could buy a bigger (CC!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship's running lights on at night. Here's another one that I found amusing, sailboat under power, tri-color light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there's an interesting lighting configuration. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin's Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck level lights. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe: it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute for deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your
Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs
It is more complex than that. A power driven vessel under 12 meters can use an all-around white light in lieu of masthead and stern. Over 12 but less than 50 meters it must have masthead and stern. Over 50 and it needs two masthead lights and a stern light. And various types of power driven vessels such as tugs and fishing boats or pilot boats cannot use an all-around white light as navigation lights regardless of being less than 12 meters. The complexity is why it is a good idea to have a copy of the COLREGs, or at least one of the laminated cards you buy at West Marine, on your boat. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:56 AM To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs A power boat needs the same side lights and an all around white light. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
