Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
List On Mar 13, 2015 5:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a Forum similar to cruisersforum or sailnet instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation - I've done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line - would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Email List or Forum
Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
I'm easy either way. I'll go with the majority. sam :-) On 2015-03-13, at 3:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
HI Stu, List please. This list feels more like family than any forum I used to visit. I say, ...used to visit. 'cause somehow I just drift away from them eventually. It's so much nicer when the messages come to me. (Even the hundred or more after a vacation :) Cheers, Russ At 02:32 PM 13/03/2015, you wrote: Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a âForumâ similar to âcruisersforumâ or âsailnetâ instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation Iâve done it before and it does takee some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
Vote: List Stu, if the costs are not covered routinely by donations, I suggest you let us know that too. Neil Gallagher Weatherly, 35-1 Glen Cove, NY On 3/13/2015 5:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List wrote: Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a Forum similar to cruisersforum or sailnet instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation -- I've done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line -- would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List List or forum
I'm allergic to Facebook. There is a forum type already in the Yahoo group that nobody goes to. Low bandwidth is good. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 13 March 2015 at 17:43, Bob Hickson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My 5 cents worth … it is contrary to the comments that I am seeing. I would like to see a change to a forum if it can be done. The vast majority of the items on the list are personal comments that are only indirectly CC related. A searchable forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful information. If some members want a Facebook type “list” why not form a CLOSED CC Facebook group (this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation). The CC 29 Association has a closed Facebook group (this is the only reason that I have a Facebook account) Fair Winds, Bob Hickson, P. Eng. Frenchman’s Bay Yacht Club, C and C 29 mark 2, Flying Colours, 416-919-2297 bobhick...@rogers.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
Yes, people can customize how they receive emails in ways to make them more convenient. Ed Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it has never bothered me cause my gmail and Gmail client auto hide the quoted text AND they auto group emails with the same subject. It's not always necessary but sometimes it is nice to be able to see what exact referance someone was making simply by looking at the quoted text. I like the fact that I don't have to go to a forum app or website to see the message stream or to participate. I like being able to quickly and easily take the conversion of list and then back again without leaving the email client. I like how lightweight and ubiquitous email is. No fancy graphics to take up bandwidth. Maybe people think it's creepy but I like that we all have each others email and can easily contact one another with something off list via email if needed. Edd with Star Trek stuff, Fred with electronics questions, Joel for offshore races and Jake for a fix from a Midnight Mistress. Warm regards to all, Josh Muckley PS: Just so you all know to what I'm refering I've quoted the text from the previous email. On Mar 13, 2015 8:56 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Stu's original listing was copied and resent 11 times in 12 messages! Does everyone really like this? It is completely unnecessary and would probably be eliminated in a forum format. That's really the primary change--the people would be the same. Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
Bob We each have the option to change our email settings so the original message string is not included in the new email when we reply to a message. That would eliminate all the repeated information and the very long message strings that cause so much trouble and band width cost for Stu. Sometimes I like to include all or part of the message to which I am responding, so others will know the context of my email. I find that I am frequently not responding to the last message on a given topic. But, hey, I’m old and forget to delete all the unwanted part of the string. My problem with a forum is that I need to find the time to go look at it and see what is being discussed. Messages from the list, OTOH, are in my inbox and actually give me something to look forward to when I open my email. Rick Brass From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Boyer via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:56 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum Stu's original listing was copied and resent 11 times in 12 messages! It is completely unnecessary and would probably be eliminated in a forum format. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Fwd: Email List or Forum
Oops! Ed Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Ed Dooley edoo...@madriver.com Date: March 13, 2015, 9:54:27 PM EDT To: Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum Email list works fine for me. I administer 2 email lists, both free, one on Wiggio and one on Groupspaces. My lists are very simple, so I'm not familiar with their available options, such as archive search. Ed Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com wrote: Stu, the list is far better than any forum I have “joined” but if the forum is easier for you I would support it From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 5:32 PM To: CC Email List Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Email List or Forum
In a forum you can make your individual settings such that postings on a topic you are subscribed to will be emailed to you when each posting is made. I think you can respond to the posting on a forum via email, so I don't understand how it would leave Wally out of the picture. The forum would have a lot better search features. My iPhone and my iPad have been set to thread view and it doesn't eliminate the copied text. However, if there is a setting in an email account that eliminates copied text, I'd be interested in hearing about it. Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List List or forum
I'd like to put forward a vote to try the forum. I've been using this list for over 12 years. I'm a big fan and try to give back and help newer skippers as I was helped when I first got my CC. But I'm starting to think the forum format might be better? Sometimes I google a question on the web and find wonderful advice and recommendations from the other forums like Sailnet and Sailing Anarchy and many others, but I don't think the list is open to those kinds of searches? If Stu would like the challenge, fine. If its a pain to do, don't bother. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: Bob Hickson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:43:15 PM Subject: Stus-List List or forum My 5 cents worth … it is contrary to the comments that I am seeing. I would like to see a change to a forum if it can be done. The vast majority of the items on the list are personal comments that are only indirectly CC related. A searchable forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful information. If some members want a Facebook type “list” why not form a CLOSED CC Facebook group (this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation). The CC 29 Association has a closed Facebook group (this is the only reason that I have a Facebook account) Fair Winds, Bob Hickson, P. Eng. Frenchman’s Bay Yacht Club, C and C 29 mark 2, Flying Colours, 416-919-2297 bobhick...@rogers.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring
Hi Paul My boat lives on a mooring, the setup is a chock on each side and a cleat aft of each. I would not use the anchor roller for mooring lines. 3/4 pendants are overkill, I'm running 3/4 and am probably 12000 lbs. I had an Aloha 27, I used 5/8 pendants for it, similar size to the CC 27. If you single hand your boat I'd also recommend getting a mast buoy - fastened to one pendant it makes retrieval very easy. I have a ring on one pendant that lets me unclip it when the boat is moored. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2015-03-13 9:28 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List wrote: So, I am going to be moving my boat from a nice, safe and secluded slip, to a mooring buoy out in the harbour. Yes, the mooring is big enough, yes I will be using at least 2 unequal pendants of good quality (probably at least 3/4), and yes I will be using chafe guard where appropriate. Assume also that any hardware would have backing plates as large as practically possible. My current deck hardware consists of a central 6 or so cleat, with a small teak backing plate. An anchor roller of unknown quality and fit (I have never used it), and a small chock that serves no purpose since the hawse pipe blocks a fair lead from the cleat to the chock. Deck is balsa cored glass, toerail is standard CC, so an aluminum L section perforated rail bolted though the deck and hull on roughly 3-4 intervals. Basically, whatever I do is going to require a fair amount of work. Given this, I can't decide on the best route. 1. Try to find some way of putting a cleat on the rail at each side of the bow - this will likely involve fabricating some sort of mounting block, bolting the cleat to that, and then through the rail/deck. 2. Fit some chocks (which will likely involve cutting the vertical part of the L section off) and replace the central cleat with a bigger one, with a bigger backing plate. 3. Fit a bow eye and moor to that - this might involve running a temp 3rd mooring line to the deck cleat and then releasing the shackle(s) from the dinghy, I haven't got on the boat to see if it's feasible from there. 4. Something else I haven't thought of yet. I'm thinking that option 3 might actually be the better route - doesn't involve disturbing the toerail at all, and while not the most convenient, it might have some advantages, namely much less chance of chafe, and a lower attachment point gives me better scope, plus I'd only have to drill two holes through glass. I kind of need to make a decision in the next day or three so that I can get the bits and get going, boat will need to be on the mooring for April 1st, so I have two weekends after this one. Mooring will be in Tsehum Harbour, in Sidney, BC. No hurricanes here, 40kts is the highest gust speed recorded in Sidney in the last 10 years. What would my fellow CC'ers suggest? Cheers, Paul Orange Crush 1974 CC27 MkII Sidney, BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
The pros for a forum are what Stu said. A few major pros for the list are that it can be viewed on any platform, can be read off-line, requires much less bandwidth etc. I would say that it works fine, as is. Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: March-13-15 19:06 To: 'Stu'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum Stu, the list is far better than any forum I have “joined” but if the forum is easier for you I would support it From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 5:32 PM To: CC Email List Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
I guess it has never bothered me cause my gmail and Gmail client auto hide the quoted text AND they auto group emails with the same subject. It's not always necessary but sometimes it is nice to be able to see what exact referance someone was making simply by looking at the quoted text. I like the fact that I don't have to go to a forum app or website to see the message stream or to participate. I like being able to quickly and easily take the conversion of list and then back again without leaving the email client. I like how lightweight and ubiquitous email is. No fancy graphics to take up bandwidth. Maybe people think it's creepy but I like that we all have each others email and can easily contact one another with something off list via email if needed. Edd with Star Trek stuff, Fred with electronics questions, Joel for offshore races and Jake for a fix from a Midnight Mistress. Warm regards to all, Josh Muckley PS: Just so you all know to what I'm refering I've quoted the text from the previous email. On Mar 13, 2015 8:56 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Stu's original listing was copied and resent 11 times in 12 messages! Does everyone really like this? It is completely unnecessary and would probably be eliminated in a forum format. That's really the primary change--the people would be the same. Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
For the same reasons as Josh (and probably many others) my Gmail and Gmail client auto hide the quoted text AND they auto group emails with the same subject. Perhaps some of you just need a better email client. I'm good with the list. Ken H. On 13 March 2015 at 21:46, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I much prefer a forum! It would end the repeated copying of text and resending it over and over. I've read the notice to mariners about ice on the northern Chesapeake Bay about 10 times now because listers think they have to copy it I guess so that everyone knows what they are responding to. There are pages and pages of unnecessary repeated information on this list. On a forum, the discussion would be on a topic and it would just flow like a conversation. As far as I'm concerned, a forum is a lot better. Just google cruisers forum and look at their format... Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List List or forum
I’m with Bob James Delaney CC 38 Mk2 Oriental, NC From: Bob Hickson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List List or forum My 5 cents worth … it is contrary to the comments that I am seeing. I would like to see a change to a forum if it can be done. The vast majority of the items on the list are personal comments that are only indirectly CC related. A searchable forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful information. If some members want a Facebook type “list” why not form a CLOSED CC Facebook group (this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation). The CC 29 Association has a closed Facebook group (this is the only reason that I have a Facebook account) Fair Winds, Bob Hickson, P. Eng. Frenchman’s Bay Yacht Club, C and C 29 mark 2, Flying Colours, 416-919-2297 bobhick...@rogers.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
Someone mentioned a yahoo group. I am a member of a few and they send messages (e-mails, like this list), but at the same time allow to participate in them like in a Forum (on a web site, following threads, allowing photo albums etc.). I already voted for the list, but possibly that option can be investigated, as well. On the flip side, let's not overestimate the bandwidth required for including the original text. All these messages were in the teens of kB, very tiny compared to the current internet speeds and sizes. Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: March-13-15 22:00 To: 'Robert Boyer'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum Bob We each have the option to change our email settings so the original message string is not included in the new email when we reply to a message. That would eliminate all the repeated information and the very long message strings that cause so much trouble and band width cost for Stu. Sometimes I like to include all or part of the message to which I am responding, so others will know the context of my email. I find that I am frequently not responding to the last message on a given topic. But, hey, I’m old and forget to delete all the unwanted part of the string. My problem with a forum is that I need to find the time to go look at it and see what is being discussed. Messages from the list, OTOH, are in my inbox and actually give me something to look forward to when I open my email. Rick Brass ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List List or forum
I don't do Facebook and can just barely do anything computer.Needless to say, I
like the list since I can usually do email.RonWild CheriCC 30-1STL
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worth … it is contrary to the comments that I am seeing. I would like to see a
change to a forum if it can be done. The vast majority of the items on the
list are personal comments that are only indirectly CC related.A searchable
forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful information. If some
members want a Facebook type “list” why not form a CLOSED CC Facebook group
(this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation).The CC 29 Association
has a closed Facebook group (this is the only reason that I have a Facebook
account) Fair Winds, Bob Hickson, P. Eng.Frenchman’s Bay Yacht Club,C and C
29 mark 2, Flying Colours,416-919-2297bobhick...@rogers.com
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Stus-List Trimming Gmail replies to list
Listers using Gmail can easily trim the long string of replies. Go to Settings. You will land on the General settings page. Look near the top for the link called Labs and click it. Scroll down the Available Labs until you see Quote Selected Text. Select the Enabled box. Scroll to the bottom and click Save Changes. Now when you want to reply, just select a portion of the original message and click the Reply arrow. Only the portion of the original message you selected will be in the reply. The rest of the message(s) will not be sent. Dennis C. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
Excellent point Danny! On Mar 13, 2015 9:04 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: As I recall, Wally can't do the forum. That alone is reason enough fur me to vote email list Danny From my Android phone Original message From: Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 03/13/2015 5:36 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Stu s...@cncphotoalbum.com,cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum I'm easy either way. I'll go with the majority. sam :-) On 2015-03-13, at 3:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a Forum similar to cruisersforum or sailnet instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation - I've done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line - would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List List or forum
Facebook. Talk about a place where it is impossible to find anything, for me at least. Ken H. On 13 March 2015 at 21:43, Bob Hickson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My 5 cents worth … it is contrary to the comments that I am seeing. I would like to see a change to a forum if it can be done. The vast majority of the items on the list are personal comments that are only indirectly CC related. A searchable forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful information. If some members want a Facebook type “list” why not form a CLOSED CC Facebook group (this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation). The CC 29 Association has a closed Facebook group (this is the only reason that I have a Facebook account) Fair Winds, Bob Hickson, P. Eng. Frenchman’s Bay Yacht Club, C and C 29 mark 2, Flying Colours, 416-919-2297 bobhick...@rogers.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List List or forum
Bob; It seems that what you are3 wanting is pretty much what is on the DIY pages of the photo album. Personally, I value the personal comments and experiences on the list, even if they are only tangentially related to CCs. There are folks on the list that I first met a couple of versions of the list - pushing 20 years - ago, and folks on the list who don't even own a CC anymore. The list is a community. And as far as a CLOSED Facebook page goes, I have a friend with a new to her 29-2. She discovered the Photo Album and the list on her own. If the CC 29 Facebook page is invitation only, how would she even find it, let alone get an invitation to join. The Phot Album and this list are one of the strongest reasons I can think of for buying an older CC in preference to another brand. Rick Brass From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hickson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List List or forum The vast majority of the items on the list are personal comments that are only indirectly CC related. A searchable forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful information. If some members want a Facebook type list why not form a CLOSED CC Facebook group (this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation). The CC 29 Association has a closed Facebook group (this is the only reason that I have a Facebook account) ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
For anyone that is interested, this is the address for the Yahoo CC group. It is, to be kind, dormant. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/CnCSailBoats/info Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 13 March 2015 at 20:30, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Someone mentioned a yahoo group. I am a member of a few and they send messages (e-mails, like this list), but at the same time allow to participate in them like in a Forum (on a web site, following threads, allowing photo albums etc.). I already voted for the list, but possibly that option can be investigated, as well. On the flip side, let's not overestimate the bandwidth required for including the original text. All these messages were in the teens of kB, very tiny compared to the current internet speeds and sizes. Marek *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Brass via CnC-List *Sent:* March-13-15 22:00 *To:* 'Robert Boyer'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum Bob We each have the option to change our email settings so the original message string is not included in the new email when we reply to a message. That would eliminate all the repeated information and the very long message strings that cause so much trouble and band width cost for Stu. Sometimes I like to include all or part of the message to which I am responding, so others will know the context of my email. I find that I am frequently not responding to the last message on a given topic. But, hey, I’m old and forget to delete all the unwanted part of the string. My problem with a forum is that I need to find the time to go look at it and see what is being discussed. Messages from the list, OTOH, are in my inbox and actually give me something to look forward to when I open my email. Rick Brass ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring
I wish I'd used smaller mooring lines for that storm, said no-one ever :) I'd rather go big and have that extra margin of safety. I alas have no usable chocks as previously noted, so given I have no easy solution, I'd rather do it right - whatever that is. A buoy mast/hook looks a fine idea indeed. Cheers, Paul. Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 23:27:45 -0300 From: cnclistforw...@hotmail.com To: pjbake...@hotmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring Hi Paul My boat lives on a mooring, the setup is a chock on each side and a cleat aft of each. I would not use the anchor roller for mooring lines. 3/4 pendants are overkill, I'm running 3/4 and am probably 12000 lbs. I had an Aloha 27, I used 5/8 pendants for it, similar size to the CC 27. If you single hand your boat I'd also recommend getting a mast buoy - fastened to one pendant it makes retrieval very easy. I have a ring on one pendant that lets me unclip it when the boat is moored. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2015-03-13 9:28 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List wrote: So, I am going to be moving my boat from a nice, safe and secluded slip, to a mooring buoy out in the harbour. Yes, the mooring is big enough, yes I will be using at least 2 unequal pendants of good quality (probably at least 3/4), and yes I will be using chafe guard where appropriate. Assume also that any hardware would have backing plates as large as practically possible. My current deck hardware consists of a central 6 or so cleat, with a small teak backing plate. An anchor roller of unknown quality and fit (I have never used it), and a small chock that serves no purpose since the hawse pipe blocks a fair lead from the cleat to the chock. Deck is balsa cored glass, toerail is standard CC, so an aluminum L section perforated rail bolted though the deck and hull on roughly 3-4 intervals. Basically, whatever I do is going to require a fair amount of work. Given this, I can't decide on the best route. 1. Try to find some way of putting a cleat on the rail at each side of the bow - this will likely involve fabricating some sort of mounting block, bolting the cleat to that, and then through the rail/deck. 2. Fit some chocks (which will likely involve cutting the vertical part of the L section off) and replace the central cleat with a bigger one, with a bigger backing plate. 3. Fit a bow eye and moor to that - this might involve running a temp 3rd mooring line to the deck cleat and then releasing the shackle(s) from the dinghy, I haven't got on the boat to see if it's feasible from there. 4. Something else I haven't thought of yet. I'm thinking that option 3 might actually be the better route - doesn't involve disturbing the toerail at all, and while not the most convenient, it might have some advantages, namely much less chance of chafe, and a lower attachment point gives me better scope, plus I'd only have to drill two holes through glass. I kind of need to make a decision in the next day or three so that I can get the bits and get going, boat will need to be on the mooring for April 1st, so I have two weekends after this one. Mooring will be in Tsehum Harbour, in Sidney, BC. No hurricanes here, 40kts is the highest gust speed recorded in Sidney in the last 10 years. What would my fellow CC'ers suggest? Cheers, Paul Orange Crush 1974 CC27 MkII Sidney, BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
Sounds like a couple big “ifs” out there, but assuming the cost and maintenance headache is less for Stu, I’ll vote forum From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:32 PM To: CC Email List Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
I'd stay with the list, Stu You never know what you're going t learn and it's easy to delete what doesn't interest you. I am grateful for the every time I access it. Many thanks. -Original Message- From: Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 2015-03-13 6:16 PM To: Stu s...@cncphotoalbum.com; CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum 1) I can set my email to thread view. No advantage for me to go to forum. 2) How mobile friendly would forum be? I read a lot of the list mails on my smartphone. I'm old and don't like change. Slight preference to maintain current system. Dennis C. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring
So, I am going to be moving my boat from a nice, safe and secluded slip, to a mooring buoy out in the harbour. Yes, the mooring is big enough, yes I will be using at least 2 unequal pendants of good quality (probably at least 3/4), and yes I will be using chafe guard where appropriate. Assume also that any hardware would have backing plates as large as practically possible. My current deck hardware consists of a central 6 or so cleat, with a small teak backing plate. An anchor roller of unknown quality and fit (I have never used it), and a small chock that serves no purpose since the hawse pipe blocks a fair lead from the cleat to the chock. Deck is balsa cored glass, toerail is standard CC, so an aluminum L section perforated rail bolted though the deck and hull on roughly 3-4 intervals. Basically, whatever I do is going to require a fair amount of work. Given this, I can't decide on the best route. 1. Try to find some way of putting a cleat on the rail at each side of the bow - this will likely involve fabricating some sort of mounting block, bolting the cleat to that, and then through the rail/deck. 2. Fit some chocks (which will likely involve cutting the vertical part of the L section off) and replace the central cleat with a bigger one, with a bigger backing plate. 3. Fit a bow eye and moor to that - this might involve running a temp 3rd mooring line to the deck cleat and then releasing the shackle(s) from the dinghy, I haven't got on the boat to see if it's feasible from there. 4. Something else I haven't thought of yet. I'm thinking that option 3 might actually be the better route - doesn't involve disturbing the toerail at all, and while not the most convenient, it might have some advantages, namely much less chance of chafe, and a lower attachment point gives me better scope, plus I'd only have to drill two holes through glass. I kind of need to make a decision in the next day or three so that I can get the bits and get going, boat will need to be on the mooring for April 1st, so I have two weekends after this one. Mooring will be in Tsehum Harbour, in Sidney, BC. No hurricanes here, 40kts is the highest gust speed recorded in Sidney in the last 10 years. What would my fellow CC'ers suggest? Cheers, Paul Orange Crush 1974 CC27 MkII Sidney, BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
I prefer the list. There are plenty of forums. This list is different / better because of the CC focus and limited participation (not invaded by non CC owners and alumni). Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:32 PM To: CC Email List Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
List Don Life On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Mike Brannon via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: List. Sent from my iPad Mini On Mar 13, 2015, at 17:32, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
I prefer the list, but if the question was existential, a forum would be better than nothing. Steve Thomas - Original Message - From: Stu via CnC-List To: CC Email List Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 17:32 Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
I'm happy with the list as well. Sent from my iPad On Mar 13, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I would vote list. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'm with Dennis ... Old and like email ! Paul. :) On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: 1) I can set my email to thread view. No advantage for me to go to forum. 2) How mobile friendly would forum be? I read a lot of the list mails on my smartphone. I'm old and don't like change. Slight preference to maintain current system. Dennis C. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Email List or Forum
I much prefer a forum! It would end the repeated copying of text and resending it over and over. I've read the notice to mariners about ice on the northern Chesapeake Bay about 10 times now because listers think they have to copy it I guess so that everyone knows what they are responding to. There are pages and pages of unnecessary repeated information on this list. On a forum, the discussion would be on a topic and it would just flow like a conversation. As far as I'm concerned, a forum is a lot better. Just google cruisers forum and look at their format... Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
As I recall, Wally can't do the forum. That alone is reason enough fur me to vote email list Danny From my Android phone Original message From: Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 03/13/2015 5:36 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Stu s...@cncphotoalbum.com,cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum I'm easy either way. I'll go with the majority. sam :-) On 2015-03-13, at 3:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
I'm with Dennis ... Old and like email ! Paul. :) On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: 1) I can set my email to thread view. No advantage for me to go to forum. 2) How mobile friendly would forum be? I read a lot of the list mails on my smartphone. I'm old and don't like change. Slight preference to maintain current system. Dennis C. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a Forum similar to cruisersforum or sailnet instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation - I've done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line - would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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My 5 cents worth . it is contrary to the comments that I am seeing. I would like to see a change to a forum if it can be done. The vast majority of the items on the list are personal comments that are only indirectly CC related. A searchable forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful information. If some members want a Facebook type list why not form a CLOSED CC Facebook group (this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation). The CC 29 Association has a closed Facebook group (this is the only reason that I have a Facebook account) Fair Winds, Bob Hickson, P. Eng. Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club, C and C 29 mark 2, Flying Colours, 416-919-2297 bobhick...@rogers.com mailto:bobhick...@rogers.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
I agree with Dennis C and what seems to be the majority, I prefer the list. Unless a forum format would be easier for you, Stu. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 7:24 PM To: Paul Fountain; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum I would vote list. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com http://www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'm with Dennis ... Old and like email ! Paul. :) On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: 1) I can set my email to thread view. No advantage for me to go to forum. 2) How mobile friendly would forum be? I read a lot of the list mails on my smartphone. I'm old and don't like change. Slight preference to maintain current system. Dennis C. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
1) I can set my email to thread view. No advantage for me to go to forum. 2) How mobile friendly would forum be? I read a lot of the list mails on my smartphone. I'm old and don't like change. Slight preference to maintain current system. Dennis C. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Stu, the list is far better than any forum I have “joined” but if the forum is easier for you I would support it From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 5:32 PM To: CC Email List Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
I would vote list. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'm with Dennis ... Old and like email ! Paul. :) On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: 1) I can set my email to thread view. No advantage for me to go to forum. 2) How mobile friendly would forum be? I read a lot of the list mails on my smartphone. I'm old and don't like change. Slight preference to maintain current system. Dennis C. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Email List or Forum
Stu's original listing was copied and resent 11 times in 12 messages! Does everyone really like this? It is completely unnecessary and would probably be eliminated in a forum format. That's really the primary change--the people would be the same. Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
List. Sent from my iPad Mini On Mar 13, 2015, at 17:32, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like this one). PROS: 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails. 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads. 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums. 5. Easily moderated by more than one person. Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked. 6. No more 20-30 emails a day. Visit the site at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit. CONS: 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional enhancements. 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. () 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time. And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection. Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list? It does not matter to me. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend
The Susquehanna just started to break up in some areas yesterday, withe the bergy bits starting to pile up. I suspect the rest of the river will open up after we get an inch of rain overnight tonight. The slow meltdown over the last few days hopefully will prevent the ice from backing up and causing flooding. Chris Price Pradel 35 MK I - Original Message - From: Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:20:04 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend No sailing until April 15 th ? Damn! Are we talking icebergs in the Susquehanna River? Do they expect some doofus to have his very own “Night to Remember”? In the northern parts of NC the Coasties are making announcements on 22Alpha about transiting certain areas because the ice may have moved some of the NavAids, and asking mariners to report missing or miss located NavAids. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:00 PM To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' Subject: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend [Federal Register Volume 80, Number 45 (Monday, March 9, 2015)] [Rules and Regulations] [Pages 12338-12341] From the Federal Register Online via the Government Printing Office [ www.gpo.gov ] [FR Doc No: 2015-05475] --- DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY Coast Guard 33 CFR Part 165 [Docket Number USCG-2014-0292] RIN 1625-AA00 Safety Zone for Ice Conditions; Chesapeake and Delaware Canal, Upper Chesapeake Bay, and Tributaries, MD AGENCY: Coast Guard, DHS. ACTION: Temporary rule. --- SUMMARY: The Coast Guard is establishing a temporary safety zone in all navigable waters within the northern portion of the Chesapeake Bay and its tributaries, including the western portion of the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal, located between the Delaware/Maryland Boundary Line across the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal east of Chesapeake City, MD, and a line drawn across the Chesapeake Bay at the William P. Lane, Jr. (US-50/301) Memorial Bridges, located between Sandy Point and Kent Island, MD. The temporary safety zone restricts vessels from transiting the zone during the effective period, unless authorized by the Captain of the Port Baltimore or his designated representative. This safety zone is necessary to protect mariners from the hazards associated with ice in the navigable waterways. DATES: This rule is effective without actual notice from March 9, 2015 until April 15, 2015. For the purposes of enforcement, actual notice will be used from the date the rule was signed, February 17, 2015 until March 9, 2015. ADDRESSES: Documents mentioned in this preamble are part of Docket Number USCG-2014-0292. To view documents mentioned in this preamble as being available in the docket, go to http://www.regulations.gov , type the docket number in the ``SEARCH'' box and click ``SEARCH.'' Click on ``Open Docket Folder'' on the line associated with this rulemaking. You may also visit the Docket Management Facility in Room W12-140 on the ground floor of the Department of Transportation West Building, 1200 New Jersey Avenue SE., Washington, DC 20590, between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m., Monday through Friday, except Federal holidays. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: If you have questions on this rule, call or email Mr. Ronald L. Houck, Sector Baltimore Waterways Management Division, U.S. Coast Guard; telephone 410-576-2674, email ronald.l.ho...@uscg.mil . If you have questions on viewing or submitting material to the docket, call Cheryl Collins, Program Manager, Docket Operations, telephone (202) 366-9826. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1976 CC 38 Electrical Panel
Fred, Thanks for checking! I'm almost complaint! Joel On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net wrote: Sorry, Joel — I misspoke. Checking the ABYC standards, it is indeed four terminals under a single bolt or screw. But in my certification classes, the instructor said that a maximum of three should be the goal, and that apparently stuck with me. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Mar 12, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe, Three? Thought it was 4. More to do! Is there an easy way to mount a bus bar to the hull? Epoxy a wood block to it? Joel -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1976 CC 38 Electrical Panel
It was due to the switch, it was brand new 10A panel mount toggle switch. I had re-wired my entire boat prior to my fridge installation. I kept the panel but put new switches and panel mount AGC fuse holders next to each. When you say “too many other items on it”, it sounds to me like you are worried about positive feed to the panel. Old CC 38 wiring is not designed for what we install on the boat nowdays. So that would be a good place to look if you run into problems. I would have a DMM handy and once you’re done and fire up the fridge, measure voltage on terminals at the Danfoss. Load has to be running for you to measure voltage drop. It might not be easy with the way most people connect their wires because terminals end up getting covered. On mine, I have a terminal block on the bulkhead within 6 inches of my fridge. Instead of using those female crimp terminals to connect to Compressor, I soldered marine wire to Compressor + and -, and on the other end of 6” wire I put ring type crimp terminal to connect to terminal block. So these “pigtails” are part of the compressor but I never have to worry about that connection on the compressor, which in my case is hard to reach and prone to connectivity issues, voltage drops, vibrating off, etc etc. If your drop is 0.5V to 1V when compressor is running that might be an issue. When your battery is at say 12.3V, compressor will see 11.3V-11.7V and will shut the fridge off “to preserve the battery” . I’m not sure if and at what voltage isotherm set the cutoff point. To avoid this, run fresh line, like you said AWG10 all the way to a known “good” node. If you don’t know conditions of your positive wire between battery terminal and panel mounted switch for the fridge, then run a fresh 10AWG from panel to a high buss bar capable of feeding everything that is connected to it. Every load should be appropriately fused. So 100Amp fuse will likely not protect against fire causing fault caused by your fridge. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: Joe Scott [mailto:joseph.sco...@icloud.com] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 7:39 PM To: Petar Horvatic Cc: Dennis C.; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 1976 CC 38 Electrical Panel Thanks, I bought an Isotherm 2501 which also has a BD50 compressor. I was planning 10AWG wiring and running back to the ground bus bar. I will keep in mind what you experienced with the main panel if I have issues although the PO took a lot of stuff off of the main panel. Do you think you lost voltage due to the age of the panel or too many other items on it. The PO of my boat put a 100 amp line to a blue sea fuse panel at the nav station for all the electronics on the boat. Thanks Joe On Mar 12, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Petar Horvatic phorv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Joe, Not sure what compressor you’re using, but for me Danfoss BD50 control module was cutting out due to significant voltage drop at the compressor. Make sure your fridge wires are good gauge. I ended up running 2x10AWG. Two 10AWG for positive and two for return. Any by return I mean not just to a nearest ground. Back to the battery or negative high power bus bar. My main culprit for voltage drop was the main panel switch I used to turn the fridge on/off. After few months of headaches and troubleshooting, I ended up re-purposing the switch. Instead of a panel switch, I just have AGC fuse which I install in the spring and take out in the fall. For me, there is no other way to shut off the fridge. The double 10AWG was added prior to finding that switch was the main culprit. I left it as it could only help. Also, bus bars Dennis mentioned would help with voltage drops for all your loads. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:07 PM To: Joseph Scott; CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List 1976 CC 38 Electrical Panel This would be a good time to install a ground bus bar or a Blue Sea PowerPost Plus. https://www.bluesea.com/products/2300/Common_150A_BusBar_-_10_Gang_with_Cover https://www.bluesea.com/products/2300/Common_150A_BusBar_-_10_Gang_with_Cover https://www.bluesea.com/products/category/PowerPost_Connectors/PowerPost_Plus https://www.bluesea.com/products/category/PowerPost_Connectors/PowerPost_Plus Dennis C. On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Joseph Scott via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Yep, that's exactly how my panel is and I did see those bolts. I guess I was expecting a bar or something. Thanks a lot. This is my first electrical project. Sent from my iPad On Mar 11, 2015, at 10:13 PM, Rick Brass mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: Remove the panel from its mounting slots (lift up, pull the
Re: Stus-List 1976 CC 38 Electrical Panel
Sorry, Joel — I misspoke. Checking the ABYC standards, it is indeed four terminals under a single bolt or screw. But in my certification classes, the instructor said that a maximum of three should be the goal, and that apparently stuck with me. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Mar 12, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe, Three? Thought it was 4. More to do! Is there an easy way to mount a bus bar to the hull? Epoxy a wood block to it? Joel ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend
Was it just last year a bunch of guys back east were complaining about having not enough water? :) Nice day here for a ride on the motorcycle, then go sailing perhaps. No racing though, that is every other weekend. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk1 East side o' Vancouver Island At 04:55 AM 13/03/2015, you wrote: You're not alone... the Ohio River is above flood stage from Ohio through Illinois; we are currently at 26 ft. and predicted to go another1-2 feet by Monday, (flood stage is 23 ft; normal pool stage is 12 ft.) Richard 1985 Cc 37; Ohio River, mile 596; (happily on a floating dock) Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend
You're not alone... the Ohio River is above flood stage from Ohio through Illinois; we are currently at 26 ft. and predicted to go another1-2 feet by Monday, (flood stage is 23 ft; normal pool stage is 12 ft.) Richard 1985 Cc 37; Ohio River, mile 596; (happily on a floating dock) Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend
I am sure the order will be canceled as soon as the ice is gone. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:56 PM To: Rick Brass; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend Looks like the enforcement stopped March 9th anyway. No worries. From: Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.govmailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov, cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:20:04 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend No sailing until April 15th? Damn! Are we talking icebergs in the Susquehanna River? Do they expect some doofus to have his very own “Night to Remember”? In the northern parts of NC the Coasties are making announcements on 22Alpha about transiting certain areas because the ice may have moved some of the NavAids, and asking mariners to report missing or miss located NavAids. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:00 PM To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' Subject: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend [Federal Register Volume 80, Number 45 (Monday, March 9, 2015)] [Rules and Regulations] [Pages 12338-12341] From the Federal Register Online via the Government Printing Office [www.gpo.govhttp://www.gpo.gov] [FR Doc No: 2015-05475] --- DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY Coast Guard 33 CFR Part 165 [Docket Number USCG-2014-0292] RIN 1625-AA00 Safety Zone for Ice Conditions; Chesapeake and Delaware Canal, Upper Chesapeake Bay, and Tributaries, MD AGENCY: Coast Guard, DHS. ACTION: Temporary rule. --- SUMMARY: The Coast Guard is establishing a temporary safety zone in all navigable waters within the northern portion of the Chesapeake Bay and its tributaries, including the western portion of the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal, located between the Delaware/Maryland Boundary Line across the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal east of Chesapeake City, MD, and a line drawn across the Chesapeake Bay at the William P. Lane, Jr. (US-50/301) Memorial Bridges, located between Sandy Point and Kent Island, MD. The temporary safety zone restricts vessels from transiting the zone during the effective period, unless authorized by the Captain of the Port Baltimore or his designated representative. This safety zone is necessary to protect mariners from the hazards associated with ice in the navigable waterways. DATES: This rule is effective without actual notice from March 9, 2015 until April 15, 2015. For the purposes of enforcement, actual notice will be used from the date the rule was signed, February 17, 2015 until March 9, 2015. ADDRESSES: Documents mentioned in this preamble are part of Docket Number USCG-2014-0292. To view documents mentioned in this preamble as being available in the docket, go to http://www.regulations.gov, type the docket number in the ``SEARCH'' box and click ``SEARCH.'' Click on ``Open Docket Folder'' on the line associated with this rulemaking. You may also visit the Docket Management Facility in Room W12-140 on the ground floor of the Department of Transportation West Building, 1200 New Jersey Avenue SE., Washington, DC 20590, between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m., Monday through Friday, except Federal holidays. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: If you have questions on this rule, call or email Mr. Ronald L. Houck, Sector Baltimore Waterways Management Division, U.S. Coast Guard; telephone 410-576-2674, email ronald.l.ho...@uscg.milmailto:ronald.l.ho...@uscg.mil. If you have questions on viewing or submitting material to the docket, call Cheryl Collins, Program Manager, Docket Operations, telephone (202) 366-9826. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List How to run jacklines on an LF38
On longer runs, say over 20', there is a lot of mechanical ( geometric ? ) purchase pulling on the jackline mid way. I use low stretch webbing, the stuff sailmakers use for tacks and reinforcing corners. Even on a 28' run firmly tightened down I can easily lift the midpoint 2'. I suspect on a 40' run with extreme low stretch webbing pre-tensioned to 500 lbs a 250 lb shock load at the mid span would transfer a few tons of force into the cleats. After you set up the jacklines have a couple of people go mid span and give it the hardest yank they can. I would be interested in the results. Here is an article on webbing and stretch: http://www.balancecommunity.com/knowledge/slackline-webbing/ Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 22:29:39 -0700 From: Jim Watts paradigmat...@gmail.com To: Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net, 1 CnC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List How to run jacklines on an LF38. Message-ID: ca+jz0fe51csomuff2xuutmo4tsysk4id09pmh11q5fsvngm...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Nylon is not the best choice for jacklines, you want something that doesn't stretch and lose half its strength when wet. One taut centerline jackline, if you can rig it, the idea is to stay on the boat, not be cushioned in your ride behind it. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 12 March 2015 at 19:10, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: For starters you need 40? or 45? flat nylon jacklines. It is best if you can find or make a set with Dynema line or steel wire inside the flat nylon. On my 38 the jacklines get rigged with the eyes attached to the two 10? cleats in the bow of the boat, then led on the deck inside of the shrouds, aft to the cockpit where they are secured to a pair of padeyes in the cockpit. The padeyes were left behind when I upgraded my traveler. My tethers are double ended, so crew on deck can pass inside the shrouds when going forward or ?Hook on, hook off? to go around the outside of the shrouds. I?ve also been known to use the padeyes on the side of the mast for the reaching strut as a place to hook on when standing at the mast to reef or crank on the outhaul. Rick Brass *Imzadi *CC 38 mk 2 *la Belle Aurore *CC 25 mk1 Washington, NC *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Sheer via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 4:00 PM *To:* Cnc-list CNC Boat Owners *Subject:* Stus-List How to run jacklines on an LF38. I need 'em for the NE voyage. The mast is 16+ ft back from the bow. Theres a good, sturdy eye near the bow. I can run them to the cabintop handrails at the cockpit, but that seems strange. Suggestions, please. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
