Stus-List Crew duties during a race

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Even in a jib and main class, don't forget the foredeck guy handling the 
whisker pole. 

We had some pretty serious pole related Chinese fire drills at the 
downwind marker which cost us a 1st or 2nd place on Saturday and 2nd place 
yesterday..  (We're working on that) 

Here's a good collection of racing articles:  
http://www.southwindssailing.com/sailboat-racing.php

Here's a good one on windshifts:  
http://www.lansingsailing.org/Education/ArticlesPresentations/WinningOnLakes.pdf
 
. 

Have fun racing. 

Best Regards, 


François Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA 





Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 21:49:41 + (UTC)
From: Chuck S 
To: Allen Miles ,  "CNC boat owners,
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Crew duties during a race
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A very noble cause. I remember those crew descriptions. 

You won't need many descriptions if the boats have roller furled jibs. 
Helm, Mainsheet Trimmer, Genoa Trimmer each side? Maybe a Floater who 
skirts the jib, and works the halyards, Cunningham, Vang, Outhaul, 
Preventer? 

The most intimidating thing to me was not running into other boats during 
the start, the start sequence; timing the start, the various flags, gun, 
etc. It would be good to practice that in class showing the Preparatory 
signal, Postponement, Start flags. 

I can recommend a very good book on racing: 
Getting Started in Sailboat Racing by Adam Cort, 2005; helps explains 
getting around the course, and simple start strategies, etc. 

For trimming sails, I buy my guys Mainsail Trimming and Jib Trimming both 
by Felix Marks, 2007 very common sense and easy to read. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Allen Miles via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:08:35 AM 
Subject: Stus-List Crew duties during a race 

I need some help here. Our local sailing club on Albemarle Sound supports 
a low key racing program (no spin, but olympic triangle and hot dog 
course). They are trying to increase the number of boats racing and that 
requires additional crew. Remembering some great threads here on crew 
duties a year or two ago I volunteered to conduct some classroom and on 
board sessions to bring new crew up to speed. 

Unfortunately, I now can't find those threads. Can you direct me to where 
they're archived? 

Regards


François Rivard

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Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38

[PME via CnC-List]

Dear Listers,

I am looking to install an air conditioner unit in my LF38.   It turns out that 
my boat had a unit as the output ducts and  return vent grill are still in 
place.  I did not feel the need to install one on my old 29mk1, and so I have 
no experience on which vendors/units are reliable.   I have search the web for 
reviews, and found a smidgen of positive and negative reviews for all the top 
vendors.  Below is a list of what I have narrowed down so far.   The prices are 
all within a few $100 of each other, but I have little idea on the difference 
in the qualities.   On the other hand, the warranties vary from 1-5 yrs

I would greatly appreciate any input or advise regarding which units to 
consider or which units to avoid.


Domestic Marine Air EnviroComfort 16,000BTU
Webasto FCF 16,000BTU
MarinAire   Integra MSBA16K2 16,00BTU
Flagship Marine   FM16R 16,500BTU
Mermaid M16 16,500BTU


yours very truly,

Paul Eugenio

-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL




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Re: Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Cruisair.  Crusair. Crusair.

Definitely not a Mermaid.  I had one on Touche'.  Had to send it back to
Mermaid for rebuild twice in 7 years.

I now have a Crusair Stowaway Turbo 16000 BTU.  Much better unit.  Been
running without a hiccup since 2006.

My buddy here in south Louisiana services and installs marine air
conditioners.  He absolutely believes the Crusair is the best.  I agree
with him.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:02 AM, PME via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Dear Listers,
>
> I am looking to install an air conditioner unit in my LF38.   It turns out
> that my boat had a unit as the output ducts and  return vent grill are
> still in place.  I did not feel the need to install one on my old 29mk1,
> and so I have no experience on which vendors/units are reliable.   I have
> search the web for reviews, and found a smidgen of positive and negative
> reviews for all the top vendors.  Below is a list of what I have narrowed
> down so far.   The prices are all within a few $100 of each other, but I
> have little idea on the difference in the qualities.   On the other hand,
> the warranties vary from 1-5 yrs
>
> I would greatly appreciate any input or advise regarding which units to
> consider or which units to avoid.
>
>
> Domestic Marine Air EnviroComfort 16,000BTU
> Webasto FCF 16,000BTU
> MarinAire   Integra MSBA16K2 16,00BTU
> Flagship Marine   FM16R 16,500BTU
> Mermaid M16 16,500BTU
>
>
> yours very truly,
>
> Paul Eugenio
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C Landfall 38
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I have a Marine Air system on my Landfall 38--it is 12,500 Btu unit and is is 
located in a cabinet beneath a set of drawers on the starboard side just 
forward of the head.  I selected the unit because it was the best fit in the 
space I had available.  I did the installation myself and I have ducting 
running into the v-berth and the aft cabin as well as in the main salon.  I 
have found that if you use plenty of well distribued vents and small fans to 
help move the air around, 12,500 Btu's is plenty.  16,000 Btu would be better 
(particularly in Florida) but the 12,500 Btu unit served me well as a 
liveaboard in Maryland.  The unit has worked flawlessly for about 12 years.  
The biggest problem I have had have been with jellyfish being sucked up in to 
the inlet water filter during the summer.


On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:02 AM, PME via CnC-List wrote:

> Dear Listers,
> 
> I am looking to install an air conditioner unit in my LF38.   It turns out 
> that my boat had a unit as the output ducts and  return vent grill are still 
> in place.  I did not feel the need to install one on my old 29mk1, and so I 
> have no experience on which vendors/units are reliable.   I have search the 
> web for reviews, and found a smidgen of positive and negative reviews for all 
> the top vendors.  Below is a list of what I have narrowed down so far.   The 
> prices are all within a few $100 of each other, but I have little idea on the 
> difference in the qualities.   On the other hand, the warranties vary from 
> 1-5 yrs
> 
> I would greatly appreciate any input or advise regarding which units to 
> consider or which units to avoid.
> 
> 
> Domestic Marine Air EnviroComfort 16,000BTU
> Webasto FCF 16,000BTU
> MarinAire   Integra MSBA16K2 16,00BTU
> Flagship Marine   FM16R 16,500BTU
> Mermaid M16 16,500BTU
> 
> 
> yours very truly,
> 
>   Paul Eugenio
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C Landfall 38
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
email: dainyr...@icloud.com
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

"There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
messing about in boats." --Kenneth Grahame

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Re: Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38

[jtsails via CnC-List]

I installed the Webasto FCF 16000 on my Mk 2 38 and have loved it. I bought the 
complete kit and was very impressed with the quality of the included hardware.
James
C&C 38 Mk2
Oriental, NC

From: PME via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38

Dear Listers, 

I am looking to install an air conditioner unit in my LF38.   It turns out that 
my boat had a unit as the output ducts and  return vent grill are still in 
place.  I did not feel the need to install one on my old 29mk1, and so I have 
no experience on which vendors/units are reliable.   I have search the web for 
reviews, and found a smidgen of positive and negative reviews for all the top 
vendors.  Below is a list of what I have narrowed down so far.   The prices are 
all within a few $100 of each other, but I have little idea on the difference 
in the qualities.   On the other hand, the warranties vary from 1-5 yrs

I would greatly appreciate any input or advise regarding which units to 
consider or which units to avoid.


Domestic Marine Air EnviroComfort 16,000BTU
Webasto FCF 16,000BTU
MarinAire   Integra MSBA16K2 16,00BTU
Flagship Marine   FM16R 16,500BTU
Mermaid M16 16,500BTU


yours very truly,

Paul Eugenio

-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL









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Re: Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38

[N7FN--- via CnC-List]

I had a 16,000 BTU air conditioner in Cool Change (38LF) when I lived in 
Florida.
I could turn the main cabin/V-birth into a meat locker when the outside temp 
was 100 degrees.
Mounted in the same place as mentioned below.
I removed and sold it when I moved to the Great North West and started racing.

Frank Noragon
S/V Cool Change
C&C 38LF, s/n: 001
Rose City Yacht Club
Portland, Oregon

From: Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:55 AM
To: PME ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38

I have a Marine Air system on my Landfall 38--it is 12,500 Btu unit and is is 
located in a cabinet beneath a set of drawers on the starboard side just 
forward of the head.  I selected the unit because it was the best fit in the 
space I had available.  I did the installation myself and I have ducting 
running into the v-berth and the aft cabin as well as in the main salon.  I 
have found that if you use plenty of well distribued vents and small fans to 
help move the air around, 12,500 Btu's is plenty.  16,000 Btu would be better 
(particularly in Florida) but the 12,500 Btu unit served me well as a 
liveaboard in Maryland.  The unit has worked flawlessly for about 12 years.  
The biggest problem I have had have been with jellyfish being sucked up in to 
the inlet water filter during the summer. 

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Re: Stus-List Cat crew duties during a race

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Watch out if he starts mixing drinks for you.

http://www.greaterfool.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/TRUST-modified.jpg?8f4c78


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1



At 10:08 PM 22/04/2015, svpegasu...@gmail.com wrote:

Yeah he is pretty worthless. But the girls love 
him. And he doesn't drink my post sailing cocktails.



Doug Mountjoy

svPegasus

LF38

just west of Ballard, WA.

-- Original message--

From: Brent Driedger via CnC-List

Date: Wed, Apr 22, 2015 21:52

To: Russ & Melody;cnc-list@cnc-list.com;

Subject:Re: Stus-List Crew duties during a race
Cat has trouble opening the bottle for post race dark and stormys

Brent
27-5
Lake Winnipeg

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:33 PM, Russ & Melody via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:




Perhaps the cat was not trying to tie you up 
securely. She might havebeen just playing with you. :)


Cheers,Russ
Sweet35 mk-1

At 09:14 PM 22/04/2015, you wrote:
Cats also tie terrible 
knots.Never trust a cat to tie you up securely.


Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 22 April 2015 at 
19:10,svpegasu...@gmail.com<cnc-list@cnc-list.com>wrote: 

Being a live aboard, my crew (aka cat Dinghy) 
gets locked in the brig(v-berth), he can tell 
when I am thinking of leaving the dock. 
It'sterrible being out smarted by a 
cat.  Once under way, he likes tosit on 
cushion layed over clutches, makes it tough to 
adjust the main,all the while giving me the 
finger, (mentally), for making him gosailing. 
When arriving back at slip first one off is 
supposed to take aline. Yeah he doesn't do that either.Â


Doug Mountjoy
svPegasus
LF38
just west of Ballard, WA.
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 111, Issue 45

[PME via CnC-List]

Thanks for  recommendation.   I just noticed that Cruisar is made by Dometic 
who also makes units under the Marine Air and the Dometic names.It looks 
like the Marine Air Vector Turbo is the same as the Crusair Stowaway Turbo.   
They look very interesting but I have not been able to find prices yet online.


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL




> On Apr 23, 2015, at 11:53 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:21:17 -0500
> From: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
> To: PME mailto:dre...@gmail.com>>, CnClist 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38
> Message-ID:
>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Cruisair.  Crusair. Crusair.
> 
> Definitely not a Mermaid.  I had one on Touche'.  Had to send it back to
> Mermaid for rebuild twice in 7 years.
> 
> I now have a Crusair Stowaway Turbo 16000 BTU.  Much better unit.  Been
> running without a hiccup since 2006.
> 
> My buddy here in south Louisiana services and installs marine air
> conditioners.  He absolutely believes the Crusair is the best.  I agree
> with him.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38

[PME via CnC-List]

Dennis,

Thanks for  recommendation.   I just noticed that Cruisar is made by Dometic 
who also makes units under the Marine Air and the Dometic names.It looks 
like the Marine Air Vector Turbo is the same as the Crusair Stowaway Turbo.   
They look very interesting but I have not been able to find prices yet online.


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL








> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 11:53 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:21:17 -0500
>> From: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
>> To: PME mailto:dre...@gmail.com>>, CnClist 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38
>> Message-ID:
>>  > >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Cruisair.  Crusair. Crusair.
>> 
>> Definitely not a Mermaid.  I had one on Touche'.  Had to send it back to
>> Mermaid for rebuild twice in 7 years.
>> 
>> I now have a Crusair Stowaway Turbo 16000 BTU.  Much better unit.  Been
>> running without a hiccup since 2006.
>> 
>> My buddy here in south Louisiana services and installs marine air
>> conditioners.  He absolutely believes the Crusair is the best.  I agree
>> with him.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
> 

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 111, Issue 45

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

That's probably because they are sold by distributors and not direct to end 
users.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 23, 2015, at 1:04 PM, PME via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for  recommendation.   I just noticed that Cruisar is made by Dometic 
> who also makes units under the Marine Air and the Dometic names.It looks 
> like the Marine Air Vector Turbo is the same as the Crusair Stowaway Turbo.   
> They look very interesting but I have not been able to find prices yet online.
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C Landfall 38
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 11:53 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>> 
>> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:21:17 -0500
>> From: "Dennis C." 
>> To: PME , CnClist 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38
>> Message-ID:
>>  
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Cruisair.  Crusair. Crusair.
>> 
>> Definitely not a Mermaid.  I had one on Touche'.  Had to send it back to
>> Mermaid for rebuild twice in 7 years.
>> 
>> I now have a Crusair Stowaway Turbo 16000 BTU.  Much better unit.  Been
>> running without a hiccup since 2006.
>> 
>> My buddy here in south Louisiana services and installs marine air
>> conditioners.  He absolutely believes the Crusair is the best.  I agree
>> with him.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
> 
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Re: Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38

[PME via CnC-List]

Robert,

I sounds like your set up is similar to what existed.   Except I have a large 
duct going to the v-berth which splits in the back of a closed off area of the 
hanging locker with one connection going to a small round vent in the v-birth 
and the other going to a much larger rectangular vent for the main salon.  I 
don’t have any duct going to the aft cabin which eventually I would like to 
rectify.My thruhull, seacock, and strainer are located under the galley 
sink.Do you have a scoop on your intake?

My quick measurements indicate that the 16,00BTU/hr units would fit, but taking 
note of your setup, I will carefully measure the available space again this 
weekend.


Thanks for your input.

Paul


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL




> On Apr 23, 2015, at 11:53 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:55:38 -0400
> From: Robert Boyer mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com>>
> To: PME mailto:dre...@gmail.com>>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38
> Message-ID: <09132ee6-3766-49a3-8d54-e48e8ba28...@icloud.com 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I have a Marine Air system on my Landfall 38--it is 12,500 Btu unit and is is 
> located in a cabinet beneath a set of drawers on the starboard side just 
> forward of the head.  I selected the unit because it was the best fit in the 
> space I had available.  I did the installation myself and I have ducting 
> running into the v-berth and the aft cabin as well as in the main salon.  I 
> have found that if you use plenty of well distribued vents and small fans to 
> help move the air around, 12,500 Btu's is plenty.  16,000 Btu would be better 
> (particularly in Florida) but the 12,500 Btu unit served me well as a 
> liveaboard in Maryland.  The unit has worked flawlessly for about 12 years.  
> The biggest problem I have had have been with jellyfish being sucked up in to 
> the inlet water filter during the summer.

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Re: Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Paul:

I have a small round duct going to the v-berth and an equal size round duct 
going to the aft cabin.  All ducting is on the starboard side.  The ducting to 
the aft cabin runs through the head area behind the sliding doors but it is 
located high in this area, just below the deck. (I actually use a header with 
multiple vents in my main salon.)

I do not have a scoop on my intake for any of my thru hulls.  A grate might 
keep out some of the jellyfish, but some might still break up and go through. 
When it happens, the unit shows a high pressure alarm and shuts down to avoid 
damaging the unit.  Lately, we have had a lot fewer jellyfish for some reason.

It very well could be that the 16,000 Btu unit may fit today.  Keep in mind 
that mine is more than 10 years old.  I can take some pics and send them to you 
if you would like...

Bob


On Apr 23, 2015, at 1:30 PM, PME via CnC-List wrote:

> Robert,
> 
> I sounds like your set up is similar to what existed.   Except I have a large 
> duct going to the v-berth which splits in the back of a closed off area of 
> the hanging locker with one connection going to a small round vent in the 
> v-birth and the other going to a much larger rectangular vent for the main 
> salon.  I don’t have any duct going to the aft cabin which eventually I would 
> like to rectify.My thruhull, seacock, and strainer are located under the 
> galley sink.Do you have a scoop on your intake?
> 
> My quick measurements indicate that the 16,00BTU/hr units would fit, but 
> taking note of your setup, I will carefully measure the available space again 
> this weekend.
> 
> 
> Thanks for your input.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C Landfall 38
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 11:53 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>> 
>> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:55:38 -0400
>> From: Robert Boyer 
>> To: PME , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine AC options for LF38
>> Message-ID: <09132ee6-3766-49a3-8d54-e48e8ba28...@icloud.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> I have a Marine Air system on my Landfall 38--it is 12,500 Btu unit and is 
>> is located in a cabinet beneath a set of drawers on the starboard side just 
>> forward of the head.  I selected the unit because it was the best fit in the 
>> space I had available.  I did the installation myself and I have ducting 
>> running into the v-berth and the aft cabin as well as in the main salon.  I 
>> have found that if you use plenty of well distribued vents and small fans to 
>> help move the air around, 12,500 Btu's is plenty.  16,000 Btu would be 
>> better (particularly in Florida) but the 12,500 Btu unit served me well as a 
>> liveaboard in Maryland.  The unit has worked flawlessly for about 12 years.  
>> The biggest problem I have had have been with jellyfish being sucked up in 
>> to the inlet water filter during the summer.
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Re: Stus-List 35 modified keel

[robertlmazza via CnC-List]

Interestingly enough I've just written an article on Mars Metal for the next 
issue of Professiomal Boatbuilder Magazine. Their ability to provide not only a 
bolt on two piece bulb but the design service to recommend the weight of bulb 
to achieve the same sailing stability as the deep draft keel is discussed in 
the article. It has been a very successful program for the company.

Rob Mazza





Sent from Samsung Mobile 

 Original message From: Paul Baker via CnC-List 
 Date:04-22-2015  11:56 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List 35 modified 
keel 
I'm sure you've all seen this, I often accidentally delete list emails 
without reading them, anyway, an interesting keel mod:
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/general-discussion-sailing-related/197361-c-c-35-mod-bulb-keel-effect.html

Cheers,
Paul
Orange Crush
1974 27 MkII
Sidney, BC

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Re: Stus-List 35 modified keel

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I race on a Bene 40.7 with a shoal keel.  The skipper would love to put a
deep keel on it.  Can't please everyone!

Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:19 PM, robertlmazza via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Interestingly enough I've just written an article on Mars Metal for the
> next issue of Professiomal Boatbuilder Magazine. Their ability to provide
> not only a bolt on two piece bulb but the design service to recommend the
> weight of bulb to achieve the same sailing stability as the deep draft keel
> is discussed in the article. It has been a very successful program for the
> company.
>
> Rob Mazza
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Paul Baker via CnC-List
> Date:04-22-2015 11:56 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List 35 modified keel
>
> I'm sure you've all seen this, I often accidentally delete list emails
> without reading them, anyway, an interesting keel mod:
>
> http://www.sailnet.com/forums/general-discussion-sailing-related/197361-c-c-35-mod-bulb-keel-effect.html
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
> Orange Crush
> 1974 27 MkII
> Sidney, BC
>
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Re: Stus-List 35 modified keel

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Just an observation and maybe not relevant for a C&C 35.I have a C&C 30-2 with a shoal keel, my close friend Richard Stoltenhoff had a sister ship SeaCure with the deep keel,  Both boats were race equipped white sail boats. I've sailed both boats and they were well matched in the winds we had on LI Sound.  When Richard moved south to the Albemarle Sound (20 foot average depth where we sail, but tight 6' entrance to the creek and docks), he had his keel shortened and a Mars Metal bulb applied. We raced his boat after my admiral decided she didn't want her boat dinged by "ignorant" racers. Although SeaCure remained fast and retained her stability with the bulb, we had great difficulty fetching marks.  She just wouldn't point as high as Septima and the extra tacks or overstands just killed us.After Septima was hit by a lightening strike, I had her short hauled and ironically she was placed adjacent to SeaCure on the hard.  I looked at both keel stubs and they seemed to my eye to be identical.  My lead keel portion however had significant additional longitudinal area.  His deep mounted bulb was offset by my wing and stability was very similar.  My lateral resistance though was much greater and we could climb our way to a mark without pinching.Allen Miless/v SeptimaHampton, VA-Original Message-
From: robertlmazza via CnC-List 
Sent: Apr 23, 2015 2:19 PM
To: Paul Baker , C&C Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 modified keel

Interestingly enough I've just written an article on Mars Metal for the next issue of Professiomal Boatbuilder Magazine. Their ability to provide not only a bolt on two piece bulb but the design service to recommend the weight of bulb to achieve the same sailing stability as the deep draft keel is discussed in the article. It has been a very successful program for the company.Rob MazzaSent from Samsung Mobile  Original message From: Paul Baker via CnC-List  Date:04-22-2015  11:56 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List 35 modified keel I'm sure you've all seen this, I often accidentally delete list emails without reading them, anyway, an interesting keel mod:http://www.sailnet.com/forums/general-discussion-sailing-related/197361-c-c-35-mod-bulb-keel-effect.htmlCheers,PaulOrange Crush1974 27 MkIISidney, BC 		 	   		  


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Stus-List Window Replacement

[robert via CnC-List]

Mike:

Now that I am an 'instant expert' on marine window installation, I can 
be engaged on a 'consulting basis' for a mere few adult beverages.   I 
estimate it would take me about two beers to fully describe the 
process.  Jeff has already done it so I fear it might be a one beer down 
load but I am confident I can stretch it out to two.


I still don't know where Persistence is at the club?

Rob


On 2015-04-22 9:23 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:

Boat_Sig

Jeff

If you read carefully between the lines I believe Rob said “I will 
come to AYC and help you install them” ….


Mike

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*robert via CnC-List

*Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 10:26 PM
*To:* Jeffrey Nelson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Window Replacement

Jeff:
Due to leaks in the windows, and no matter what I tried, the leaks 
didn't stop until we replaced the windows.  I took the old windows to 
the retailer who produced new acrylic windows and we installed with 
Sika 295UV.  I have posted the step by step process here on the list 
several times so I won't subject the listers with it another time.
If you decide to go that route, contact me off list and I will take 
you through the process we followed.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-04-20 7:24 PM, Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List wrote:

Given the amount of water dripping onto my galley table,
re-caulking isn't going to do it for long.

Take your windows out, take them to any place that deals with
acrylic and have them duplicate them...if you break your windows
make a template
out of 1/4 plywood to take in.

Let me know if you come up with a good glue solution...I'm looking
to do mine again, as I apparently didn't use enough glue or
clamping and
my windows have sprung out a bit...enabling water to get in...

Cheers,
   Jeff
C&C30 Mk 1
Muir Caileag

On 20/04/2015 1:51 PM, Ron Ander via CnC-List wrote:

I need to repair some leaking from the windows. It was
suggested to me that removing the existing windows, cleaning
up the surfaces, and reinstalling them can be a problem
because the windows might break.

Does re-caulking alone solve a leaking problem?

If I need new windows where can I purchase them in the Toronto
area?

Ron Ander

Alchemist

C&C 29 Mk 2, 1986




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Re: Stus-List Window Replacement

[robert via CnC-List]

Jeff:

Quote from the SAIL magazine article referenced in the earlier post:
"*Sealant/Adhesive Choices*

Two products you should never use to bed plastic portlights are 
polysulfide (Life-Calk, etc.), which attacks the plastic, and 
polyurethane (3M 5200, etc.), which is attacked by the plastic. One 
polyurethane, Sika 295 UV, can be used if you also apply a special 
primer, but this is more complicated and more expensive."


I don't think it is more complicatedmaybe more expensive because the 
Sika Primer is expensive.bizarre reallythe Sika Primer will cost 
more than the 295 you will need and you only need very little. Sika used 
to sell small bottles of the primer (35 ml) which you would never use 
all of it on a window job but now they only sell in much larger 
containersPITA.ask around, someone always has some left over 
they are willing to give to you.


I might have some but it is old..that's another thing with these 
products..check the expiry date(s).


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.





On 2015-04-22 11:05 AM, PME via CnC-List wrote:

Hi,

The procedure outlined by Don Casey in a Sail magazine is excellent.

To add to Casey’s article, I traced the old port and cut the material 
slightly larger with a sabersaw.   I then sanded
the edges down to final size with an orbital sander.  This worked 
easily and produced nice results.


 I also found great prices for acrylic/lexan at eStreet Plastic. I 
used 3M VHB tape and Dow 795 both which I purchased
from McMaster-Carr, and I sprayed the under-side, unmasked area with 
Krylon Fusion.


Here is a link to the article. 
http://www.sailmagazine.com/boatworks/replacing-fixed-portlights




On 2015-04-20 7:24 PM, Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List wrote:

Given the amount of water dripping onto my galley table, re-caulking
isn't going to do it for long.

Take your windows out, take them to any place that deals with acrylic
and have them duplicate them...if you break your windows make a template
out of 1/4 plywood to take in.

Let me know if you come up with a good glue solution...I'm looking to
do mine again, as I apparently didn't use enough glue or clamping and
my windows have sprung out a bit...enabling water to get in...

Cheers,
  Jeff
   C&C30 Mk 1
   Muir Caileag

-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL



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Re: Stus-List Cat crew duties during a race

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

And there's more:
http://www.greaterfool.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ASSHOLE-modified.jpg?8f4c78

Hi Doug,

Thanks for the topic, this is cat hartic for me.  I miss ol' Alphonzo 
Purr, deceased November 2014.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
Vancouver island

At 10:08 PM 22/04/2015, you wrote:

Yeah he is pretty worthless. But the girls love him. And he doesn't 
drink my post sailing cocktails.



Doug Mountjoy

svPegasus

LF38

just west of Ballard, WA.

-- Original message--

From: Brent Driedger via CnC-List

Date: Wed, Apr 22, 2015 21:52

To: Russ & Melody;cnc-list@cnc-list.com;

Subject:Re: Stus-List Crew duties during a race
Cat has trouble opening the bottle for post race dark and stormys

Brent
27-5
Lake Winnipeg

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On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:33 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:




Perhaps the cat was not trying to tie you up securely. She might 
have been just playing with you. :)


Cheers,Russ
Sweet35 mk-1

At 09:14 PM 22/04/2015, you wrote:
Cats also tie terrible knots.Never trust a cat to 
tie you up securely.


Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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