Re: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery

2015-05-24 Thread robert via CnC-List
Sounds more probable than Rich's theory.might putting paper towel 
around the area that might indicate if there is a leak.  And it only 
happens during the winter so the cold is obviously causing the 
leakagejust exactly where.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
CC 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-05-24 1:03 PM, S Thomas via CnC-List wrote:

Maybe the pump shaft seal leaks a bit when it is super cold?

Steve Thomas
CC27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

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Subject: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery


After the engine is winterized in the Fall, I place a plastic pan 
under it.not sure why but I do. Every Spring, there is 
approximately a half a cup or 250 ml of antifreeze in the pan.


I have looked everywhere for the source of this antifreeze but I 
can't find out where it is coming from.  The boat was launched 3 
weeks ago, the engine has about 3 hours on it since then, the pan is 
still under the engine but there is no antifreeze in it. And the 
antifreeze does not appear during the sailing season.


I notice every Spring the level of the antifreeze in the 'overflow 
container' is down a bit and I refill to the 'FULL LEVEL' but that 
container is not leaking.  It's a mystery!


Anybody experience this and/or have any ideas where this antifreeze 
could be originating from?


Rob Abbott
AZURA
CC 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery

2015-05-24 Thread robert via CnC-List
After the engine is winterized in the Fall, I place a plastic pan under 
it.not sure why but I do.  Every Spring, there is approximately a 
half a cup or 250 ml of antifreeze in the pan.


I have looked everywhere for the source of this antifreeze but I can't 
find out where it is coming from.  The boat was launched 3 weeks ago, 
the engine has about 3 hours on it since then, the pan is still under 
the engine but there is no antifreeze in it.  And the antifreeze does 
not appear during the sailing season.


I notice every Spring the level of the antifreeze in the 'overflow 
container' is down a bit and I refill to the 'FULL LEVEL' but that 
container is not leaking.  It's a mystery!


Anybody experience this and/or have any ideas where this antifreeze 
could be originating from?


Rob Abbott
AZURA
CC 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Teak oil suggestions?

2015-05-24 Thread Russ Melody via CnC-List

Hi Bill,

I with you on encouraging anybody to do a good varnish job. Then 
everyone can enjoy the best finish possible.


However, the last couple of times the missus  I have done Cetol, due 
to laziness which we convince ourselves as being too busy, and the 
results are entirely acceptable. Someday we will return to varnish. 
But this is not the day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either... maybe 
next year. :)


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

P.S. my varnish routine from freshly wooded is:
- turps wipe
- 2 coats of 50/50 varnish in one day
- light sand  turps wipe followed by varnish with a wee bit of 
Penetrol (for smooth brushing)

- repeat each day until at least 5 coats
- maintenance EVERY spring  fall is a minimum two coats (the second 
coat in the fall can be done same day if weather is brilliant)

- take varnish gear cruising with good intention but do nothing with it :)

At 03:30 PM 23/05/2015, you wrote:


Come on varnish guys, speak up. Varnish varnish varnish.  Nuff said
Bill 8 coats Walker
Evening Star, cnc 36
Pentwater, Mi.




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Re: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery

2015-05-24 Thread John Russo via CnC-List
Check to insure your engine block drain valves are tight before winter
storage. Second thought is weird but offered anyhow. Is antifreeze fresh?
Could there be a blockage somewhere where the antifreeze is diluted and
freezes which would expand and force the top stuff out somehow. I said it
was a weird thought! I will discuss it with the mechanic at the yard who is
pretty sharp and seen most things.

John
CC 32 
Arpeggio  

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Subject: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery

After the engine is winterized in the Fall, I place a plastic pan under
it.not sure why but I do.  Every Spring, there is approximately a half a
cup or 250 ml of antifreeze in the pan.

I have looked everywhere for the source of this antifreeze but I can't find
out where it is coming from.  The boat was launched 3 weeks ago, the engine
has about 3 hours on it since then, the pan is still under the engine but
there is no antifreeze in it.  And the antifreeze does not appear during the
sailing season.

I notice every Spring the level of the antifreeze in the 'overflow
container' is down a bit and I refill to the 'FULL LEVEL' but that container
is not leaking.  It's a mystery!

Anybody experience this and/or have any ideas where this antifreeze could be
originating from?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
CC 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start

2015-05-24 Thread Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Listers,

I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little 
bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. 

Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, 
etc. 

Any ideas or suggestions?

Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out.


All the best,

Edd

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Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start

2015-05-24 Thread S Thomas via CnC-List
If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit 
in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got 
stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take 
for a run. Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything 
appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might 
loosen up a seized ring. 

Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just 
started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. 

If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I 
don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in 
diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines. Maybe it is 
climate dependent, but that has been my experience limited though that may be.  

Steve Thomas
CC27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON 
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  Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07
  Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start


  Listers,


  I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a 
little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. 


  Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, 
etc. 


  Any ideas or suggestions?


  Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out.




  All the best,


  Edd


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Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start

2015-05-24 Thread Sam Salter via CnC-List
  What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam:-)From: S Thomas via CnC-ListSent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: S ThomasSubject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start






If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the 
compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one 
of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine 
good and hot and then take for a run.Run it fairly hard for a couple of 
hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if 
there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. 

Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means 
little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a 
while. 

If you did not change the oil last fall, then now 
is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating 
oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in 
gasoline engines.Maybe it isclimate dependent, but that has been my 
experience limited thoughthat may be. 

Steve Thomas
CC27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Edd 
  Schillay via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list Cnc-List 
  Cc: Edd Schillay 
  Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07
  Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder 
  to Start
  
  Listers,
  
  I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a 
  little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last 
  season.
  
  Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, 
  revolutions, etc.
  
  Any ideas or suggestions?
  
  Usually, my solution to engine problems is "get the jib out."
  
  All the best,
  
  Edd
  
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  Starship Enterprise
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  CC 37+ | City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Starting problems

2015-05-24 Thread Derek Kennedy via CnC-List
Thanks to everyone who offered advice and expertise re my starting
problem.

It turned out to be a loose ground wire at the engine.

I needn't have installed a new ignition switch, but now I have a spare. And
I've learned a couple of valuable lessons. Lesson number one is: Ask first.

Temperature for tomorrow is predicted to be mid-20s here. That's about 300
Kelvin, I think. A good day to slalom among the lobster buoys in St
George's Bay.

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Tortuga, CC30 mk1
Ballantyne's Cove, NS
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Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start

2015-05-24 Thread Jim Watts via CnC-List
It's black.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
CC 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:

 What does bad lubrication oil look like?

 sam :-)
   *From: *S Thomas via CnC-List
 *Sent: *Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PM
 *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Reply To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc: *S Thomas
 *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start

 If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a
 bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has
 got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then
 take for a run. Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as
 everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is
 any, and it might loosen up a seized ring.

 Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just
 started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while.

 If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change
 it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a
 while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline
 engines. Maybe it is climate dependent, but that has been my experience
 limited though that may be.

 Steve Thomas
 CC27 MKIII
 Port Stanley, ON

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *To:* cnc-list Cnc-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07
 *Subject:* Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start

 Listers,

 I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a
 little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last
 season.

 Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow,
 revolutions, etc.

 Any ideas or suggestions?

 Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out.


 All the best,

 Edd

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Re: Stus-List Starting problems

2015-05-24 Thread Chuck Borge via CnC-List
Congrats on the easy fix!

Chuck B
CC 34 Elusive
Somerset, MA


On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Derek Kennedy via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Thanks to everyone who offered advice and expertise re my starting
 problem.

 It turned out to be a loose ground wire at the engine.

 I needn't have installed a new ignition switch, but now I have a spare.
 And I've learned a couple of valuable lessons. Lesson number one is: Ask
 first.

 Temperature for tomorrow is predicted to be mid-20s here. That's about 300
 Kelvin, I think. A good day to slalom among the lobster buoys in St
 George's Bay.

 --

 Derek Kennedy
 Tortuga, CC30 mk1
 Ballantyne's Cove, NS

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Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start

2015-05-24 Thread Sam Salter via CnC-List
  Diesel engine oil is supposed to look black - it's like that a half hour after you start the engine - by design. sam:-)From: Jim Watts via CnC-ListSent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:48 PMTo: 1 CnC ListReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Jim WattsSubject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to StartIt's black. Jim WattsParadigm ShiftCC 35 Mk IIIVictoria, BC
On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:  What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam:-)From: S Thomas via CnC-ListSent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: S ThomasSubject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start






If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the 
compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one 
of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine 
good and hot and then take for a run.Run it fairly hard for a couple of 
hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if 
there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. 

Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means 
little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a 
while. 

If you did not change the oil last fall, then now 
is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating 
oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in 
gasoline engines.Maybe it isclimate dependent, but that has been my 
experience limited thoughthat may be. 

Steve Thomas
CC27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON 

  - Original Message - 
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  Schillay via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list Cnc-List 
  Cc: Edd Schillay 
  Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07
  Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder 
  to Start
  
  Listers,
  
  I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a 
  little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last 
  season.
  
  Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, 
  revolutions, etc.
  
  Any ideas or suggestions?
  
  Usually, my solution to engine problems is "get the jib out."
  
  All the best,
  
  Edd
  
  ---
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  Starship Enterprise
  NCC-1701-B
  CC 37+ | City Island, NY
  www.StarshipSailing.com
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Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery

2015-05-24 Thread robert via CnC-List

John:

Thank you both good tips...your first one could be the culprit but 
your second one could also be the  culprit.the antifreeze (Preston) 
is approx. 8 years oldI will flush and replace it before Fall layup 
and see what happens.  As I said earlier, it does not happen after 
launch and before hauljust during the cold of winter.


A few years back, one of the engine block antifreeze drain valves came 
loose during the sailing  motoring season which was noticed when 
antifreeze entered the bilgea little stress until the loose valve 
was detected.  Some times we get lucky!


Rob Abbott
AZURA
CC 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2015-05-24 3:33 PM, John Russo via CnC-List wrote:

Check to insure your engine block drain valves are tight before winter
storage. Second thought is weird but offered anyhow. Is antifreeze fresh?
Could there be a blockage somewhere where the antifreeze is diluted and
freezes which would expand and force the top stuff out somehow. I said it
was a weird thought! I will discuss it with the mechanic at the yard who is
pretty sharp and seen most things.

John
CC 32
Arpeggio

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery

After the engine is winterized in the Fall, I place a plastic pan under
it.not sure why but I do.  Every Spring, there is approximately a half a
cup or 250 ml of antifreeze in the pan.

I have looked everywhere for the source of this antifreeze but I can't find
out where it is coming from.  The boat was launched 3 weeks ago, the engine
has about 3 hours on it since then, the pan is still under the engine but
there is no antifreeze in it.  And the antifreeze does not appear during the
sailing season.

I notice every Spring the level of the antifreeze in the 'overflow
container' is down a bit and I refill to the 'FULL LEVEL' but that container
is not leaking.  It's a mystery!

Anybody experience this and/or have any ideas where this antifreeze could be
originating from?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
CC 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery

2015-05-24 Thread Brent Driedger via CnC-List
Interesting problem. 
I have a small John Deere tractor with a 23 hp Yanmar engine. When the 
temperature is hovering lower than minus 15c a small amount of antifreeze leeks 
out onto the garage floor.  I've always wondered why. 
There's little change in the overall volume of the cooling system and all 
summer long there's no issue. Maybe a Yanmar thing. 

Brent
27-5
Lake Winnipeg. 

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 On May 24, 2015, at 8:24 PM, robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 John:
 
 Thank you both good tips...your first one could be the culprit but your 
 second one could also be the  culprit.the antifreeze (Preston) is approx. 
 8 years oldI will flush and replace it before Fall layup and see what 
 happens.  As I said earlier, it does not happen after launch and before 
 hauljust during the cold of winter.
 
 A few years back, one of the engine block antifreeze drain valves came loose 
 during the sailing  motoring season which was noticed when antifreeze 
 entered the bilgea little stress until the loose valve was detected.  
 Some times we get lucky!
 
 Rob Abbott
 AZURA
 CC 32 - 84
 Halifax, N.S.
 
 
 
 On 2015-05-24 3:33 PM, John Russo via CnC-List wrote:
 Check to insure your engine block drain valves are tight before winter
 storage. Second thought is weird but offered anyhow. Is antifreeze fresh?
 Could there be a blockage somewhere where the antifreeze is diluted and
 freezes which would expand and force the top stuff out somehow. I said it
 was a weird thought! I will discuss it with the mechanic at the yard who is
 pretty sharp and seen most things.
 
 John
 CC 32
 Arpeggio
 
 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert
 via CnC-List
 Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 11:25 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: robert
 Subject: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery
 
 After the engine is winterized in the Fall, I place a plastic pan under
 it.not sure why but I do.  Every Spring, there is approximately a half a
 cup or 250 ml of antifreeze in the pan.
 
 I have looked everywhere for the source of this antifreeze but I can't find
 out where it is coming from.  The boat was launched 3 weeks ago, the engine
 has about 3 hours on it since then, the pan is still under the engine but
 there is no antifreeze in it.  And the antifreeze does not appear during the
 sailing season.
 
 I notice every Spring the level of the antifreeze in the 'overflow
 container' is down a bit and I refill to the 'FULL LEVEL' but that container
 is not leaking.  It's a mystery!
 
 Anybody experience this and/or have any ideas where this antifreeze could be
 originating from?
 
 Rob Abbott
 AZURA
 CC 32 - 84
 Halifax, N.S.
 
 
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