Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Ending a race is a location with palm trees is FAR better than ending in a cold 
North Atlantic foggy port …



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 5:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2

That's right.  Also did Annapolis to Newport.  She took a lot of pounding on 
the way to Newport in a nasty NE wind.  She handled it better than the skipper!
i'm doing A2B again.

Congrats on the purchase!

Joel

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Joel raced his 35 to Bermuda in the 2014 Annapolis to Bermuda race.  IIRC his 
is a MKIII.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016, 3:11 PM Rino Granito via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?

Thanks..

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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2

[David via CnC-List]

Josh,

The forefoot of Corsair is rather flat as well.   When asked about this Rob 
Ball said that when the boat heels she has the knuckle that splits the water 
without pounding.   I find this to be true on the washing machine (aka Buzzards 
Bay) as well as on the ocean.

Motoring in to a head sea in a short chop...not so much.   

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:26:51 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: muckl...@gmail.com

Joel, a lot of our boats have a "flat" area in front of the more or less 
standard fin keel.  Have you ever had a chance to compare the pounding in your 
boat to that of a boat with a full or modified full keel?  I've been pretty 
well beaten up by some short chop in the bay.  Kinda crashing off the peak of 
one wave onto the trough of another.  I don't think that that type of wave 
action is very frequent in blue water but interested in your thoughts.
Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C&C 37+

Solomons, MD 
On Jan 31, 2016 4:07 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List"  
wrote:
That's right.  Also did Annapolis to Newport.  She took a lot of pounding on 
the way to Newport in a nasty NE wind.  She handled it better than the 
skipper!i'm doing A2B again.
Congrats on the purchase!
Joel
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Joel raced his 35 to Bermuda in the 2014 Annapolis to Bermuda race.  IIRC his 
is a MKIII.
Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C&C 37+

Solomons, MD 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016, 3:11 PM Rino Granito via CnC-List  
wrote:
Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect

in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?



Thanks..



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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

A MK I is not a MK II, but they are fairly close.
What to expect from a MK I offshore:
In light air you are not keeping up with many modern race boats, but you are 
miles ahead of most “cruising” types. Good thing, because the stock 18 gallons 
of fuel is not getting you real far!
A heavy air beat is rough work. You need the *right* headsail up. Too much and 
you are on your ear and too little is not enough drive. Reefing the main helps 
some, but the main is too small to take care of all the sail area changes. For 
short handed sailing I would consider roller reefing almost a requirement. One 
memorable (in a bad way) trip home from Bermuda saw two cycles of calm-40+ 
knots-calm. We were though every sail on the boat more than once – 
170,150,jib,storm jib, jib,150,170 with main reefs and unreefs thrown in. That 
was some work. The boat WILL pound and you will pound HARD if the helmsman is 
not paying attention. Every helm swap woke up the off watch as the boat banged 
hard while the new guy got in the groove. Almost any modern fin keel boat with 
flat-ish bilges will do this. For offshore don’t worry about the first main 
reef. If you need a reef at all, you need the second and anything in the 50 
knot range is the third reef and storm jib.
Crack off a bit and fun things start to happen. The MK I at least has a close 
reach mode that feels like being on rails ☺
Once the waves get big you have some new things to deal with off the wind. The 
boat will definitely surf down waves – we have seen 15+ knots down the face of 
a 20+ foot wave ☺ ☺
The boat does not plane like a Donzi or a modern planing sporty – you have the 
stern sunk down and a LOT of helm pressure. Steering is real fun and real hard 
work too. You cannot just go in a straight line either. The routine was bear 
off a bit at the top to break loose , kind of like a surfer “dropping in”, and 
fly down the face of the wave. At the bottom you head up some to prevent the 
boat sticking into the next wave. This is where the good range of stability and 
narrow hull help – a big breaking wave on the beam will roll you and a lot of 
water comes across the boat, but she always feels eager to spring back up and 
try again.  You will be wet though! Speaking of which, having the cockpit 
hatches come open could be fatal. We had ours latched with much better latches 
than the stock ones and locked closed. The cockpit won’t hold much water 
though, it comes in and goes right back out due to being heeled over.
For short handed sailing I would for sure bring a drogue device to be able to 
run off slowly and make it easy to steer. We had a ton of fun pushing hard in 
rough weather and doing 170 miles the first day out and 180 the second, but it 
kept 5 of us pretty busy.
Standard warning – these are all old boats now and need a good survey before 
heading offshore.
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
www.dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 08:47
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2

Ending a race is a location with palm trees is FAR better than ending in a cold 
North Atlantic foggy port …



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 5:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2

That's right.  Also did Annapolis to Newport.  She took a lot of pounding on 
the way to Newport in a nasty NE wind.  She handled it better than the skipper!
i'm doing A2B again.

Congrats on the purchase!

Joel

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Joel raced his 35 to Bermuda in the 2014 Annapolis to Bermuda race.  IIRC his 
is a MKIII.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016, 3:11 PM Rino Granito via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?

Thanks..

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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

There's a Russian guy who did a solo circumnavigation with a 35 Mark one
that he purchased for the princely sum of $1000. You can find his youtube
channel but it's all in Russian. He's from Canada IIRC and the trip took
place a few years back. I'm surprise more people don't mention it on this
list.

Here we go:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-sailor-returns-after-solo-round-the-world-trip-1.2649695

The Mark II is one of the prettiest designs to my eye.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A MK I is not a MK II, but they are fairly close.
> What to expect from a MK I offshore:
>
> In light air you are not keeping up with many modern race boats, but you
> are miles ahead of most “cruising” types. Good thing, because the stock 18
> gallons of fuel is not getting you real far!
>
> A heavy air beat is rough work. You need the **right** headsail up. Too
> much and you are on your ear and too little is not enough drive. Reefing
> the main helps some, but the main is too small to take care of all the sail
> area changes. For short handed sailing I would consider roller reefing
> almost a requirement. One memorable (in a bad way) trip home from Bermuda
> saw two cycles of calm-40+ knots-calm. We were though every sail on the
> boat more than once – 170,150,jib,storm jib, jib,150,170 with main reefs
> and unreefs thrown in. That was some work. The boat WILL pound and you will
> pound HARD if the helmsman is not paying attention. Every helm swap woke up
> the off watch as the boat banged hard while the new guy got in the groove.
> Almost any modern fin keel boat with flat-ish bilges will do this. For
> offshore don’t worry about the first main reef. If you need a reef at all,
> you need the second and anything in the 50 knot range is the third reef and
> storm jib.
>
> Crack off a bit and fun things start to happen. The MK I at least has a
> close reach mode that feels like being on rails J
>
> Once the waves get big you have some new things to deal with off the wind.
> The boat will definitely surf down waves – we have seen 15+ knots down the
> face of a 20+ foot wave J J
>
> The boat does not plane like a Donzi or a modern planing sporty – you have
> the stern sunk down and a LOT of helm pressure. Steering is real fun and
> real hard work too. You cannot just go in a straight line either. The
> routine was bear off a bit at the top to break loose , kind of like a
> surfer “dropping in”, and fly down the face of the wave. At the bottom you
> head up some to prevent the boat sticking into the next wave. This is where
> the good range of stability and narrow hull help – a big breaking wave on
> the beam will roll you and a lot of water comes across the boat, but she
> always feels eager to spring back up and try again.  You will be wet
> though! Speaking of which, having the cockpit hatches come open could be
> fatal. We had ours latched with much better latches than the stock ones and
> locked closed. The cockpit won’t hold much water though, it comes in and
> goes right back out due to being heeled over.
>
> For short handed sailing I would for sure bring a drogue device to be able
> to run off slowly and make it easy to steer. We had a ton of fun pushing
> hard in rough weather and doing 170 miles the first day out and 180 the
> second, but it kept 5 of us pretty busy.
>
> Standard warning – these are all old boats now and need a good survey
> before heading offshore.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
> www.dellabarba.com
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Hoyt,
> Mike via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2016 08:47
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2
>
>
>
> Ending a race is a location with palm trees is FAR better than ending in a
> cold North Atlantic foggy port …
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2016 5:06 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2
>
>
>
> That's right.  Also did Annapolis to Newport.  She took a lot of pounding
> on the way to Newport in a nasty NE wind.  She handled it better than the
> skipper!
>
> i'm doing A2B again.
>
>
>
> Congrats on the purchase!
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Joel raced his 35 to Bermuda in the 2014 Annapolis to Bermuda race.  IIRC
> his is a MKIII.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016, 3:11 PM Rino Granito via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
>
> Thanks..
>
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Stus-List Brackets and basketballs

[Brian Fry via CnC-List]

Do you mean the brackets? Are upside down?

The basketball worked the first time I used it. The second time, I probably
overinflated it.

> On Feb 1, 2016 9:16 AM,  wrote:
>
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Rino Granito via CnC-List <
> > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:15:54 -0500
> > From: Josh Muckley 
> >
>
> > I did the same replacement a few years ago.  The top plate that is
touching
> > the engine mount angle is just there to shield fuel fuel spills from
> > degrading the elastomer.  As long as you were able to get the alignment
> > right AND get the nut torqued you're fine.   I'll check mine to see what
> > the clearance looks like.
> >
> > Here's some pics to get you started.
> > https://drive.google.com/folder/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1ydTdWdDVtZlNYamM/edit
> >
> > Compared to my pics it kinds looks like your mounts might be upside
down?
> >
> > Josh Muckley
> > S/V Sea Hawk
> > 1989 C&C 37+
> > Solomons, MD
> > Yanmar 3HM35F
> > On Jan 31, 2016 4:50 PM, "Brian Fry via CnC-List" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Just replaced my Yanmar mounts, which apparently won't hold if
inverted,
> > > with an aftermarket kit from PYI. (Surveyor indicated they were at
EOL )The
> > > Fwd starboard mount clearance is very tight, as you can see here:
> > > New engine mount http://imgur.com/gallery/ipOPRzF
> > > Is this going to be an issue?
> > >
> > > Engine is not aligned yet,  needless to say this one won't be going
any
> > > lower. I suppose I could have a bit of material removed from either
the
> > > bracket, or from the base of the mount (3/4 inch aluminum)
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > S/V La Neige
> > > C&C 37/40xl
> > > Brian
> > > Havre de Grace
> > >
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Re: Stus-List transom ladder

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

John,
You should give White Water Marine a call. 
http://www.whitewatermarineinc.com/ladders.html 

Like you, I did not have a transom ladder on my boat.  I was able to get 
measurements and photos from several kind members on the list.  I called 
several places and White Water Marine gave me a great price($330).  
BUT MORE IMPORTANT, during our phone conversation I explained how I obtained 
the measurements, and I was told not to worry as they would use the original 
design specs as they built the original ladders for C&C.
I could not have been more happy with the outcome.  (See bottom of 
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/TopsideWork 
 )

I don’t know if they fabricated all of the transom ladders for C&C but there is 
a very good chance they made the original for yours.



-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 08:36:16 -0500
> From: Bradley Lumgair mailto:lumg...@hotmail.com>>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Subject: Stus-List  transom ladder
> Message-ID:  >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Good morning John
> You're welcome to take measurements and pictures from Pulse if you find a 
> welder, should be someone local that can weld that up for you.
> Brad
> C&C 33MkII "Pulse"
> 
> 
> 
> I'd rather be sailing
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Re: Stus-List Brackets and basketballs

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yes
On Feb 1, 2016 9:58 AM, "Brian Fry via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Do you mean the brackets? Are upside down?
>
> The basketball worked the first time I used it. The second time, I
> probably overinflated it.
>
> > On Feb 1, 2016 9:16 AM,  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Rino Granito via CnC-List <
> > > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:15:54 -0500
> > > From: Josh Muckley 
> > >
> >
> > > I did the same replacement a few years ago.  The top plate that is
> touching
> > > the engine mount angle is just there to shield fuel fuel spills from
> > > degrading the elastomer.  As long as you were able to get the alignment
> > > right AND get the nut torqued you're fine.   I'll check mine to see
> what
> > > the clearance looks like.
> > >
> > > Here's some pics to get you started.
> > > https://drive.google.com/folder/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1ydTdWdDVtZlNYamM/edit
> > >
> > > Compared to my pics it kinds looks like your mounts might be upside
> down?
> > >
> > > Josh Muckley
> > > S/V Sea Hawk
> > > 1989 C&C 37+
> > > Solomons, MD
> > > Yanmar 3HM35F
> > > On Jan 31, 2016 4:50 PM, "Brian Fry via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Just replaced my Yanmar mounts, which apparently won't hold if
> inverted,
> > > > with an aftermarket kit from PYI. (Surveyor indicated they were at
> EOL )The
> > > > Fwd starboard mount clearance is very tight, as you can see here:
> > > > New engine mount http://imgur.com/gallery/ipOPRzF
> > > > Is this going to be an issue?
> > > >
> > > > Engine is not aligned yet,  needless to say this one won't be going
> any
> > > > lower. I suppose I could have a bit of material removed from either
> the
> > > > bracket, or from the base of the mount (3/4 inch aluminum)
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > S/V La Neige
> > > > C&C 37/40xl
> > > > Brian
> > > > Havre de Grace
> > > >
> > > > ___
>
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Re: Stus-List Brackets and basketballs

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The more I look at your engine and compare to both of mine, there is no
doubt in my mind that your mounts are upside down.

I'll watch the pressure if I use a basketball.  IIRC they are typically max
10psi.

Josh
On Feb 1, 2016 9:58 AM, "Brian Fry via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Do you mean the brackets? Are upside down?
>
> The basketball worked the first time I used it. The second time, I
> probably overinflated it.
>
> > On Feb 1, 2016 9:16 AM,  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Rino Granito via CnC-List <
> > > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:15:54 -0500
> > > From: Josh Muckley 
> > >
> >
> > > I did the same replacement a few years ago.  The top plate that is
> touching
> > > the engine mount angle is just there to shield fuel fuel spills from
> > > degrading the elastomer.  As long as you were able to get the alignment
> > > right AND get the nut torqued you're fine.   I'll check mine to see
> what
> > > the clearance looks like.
> > >
> > > Here's some pics to get you started.
> > > https://drive.google.com/folder/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1ydTdWdDVtZlNYamM/edit
> > >
> > > Compared to my pics it kinds looks like your mounts might be upside
> down?
> > >
> > > Josh Muckley
> > > S/V Sea Hawk
> > > 1989 C&C 37+
> > > Solomons, MD
> > > Yanmar 3HM35F
> > > On Jan 31, 2016 4:50 PM, "Brian Fry via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Just replaced my Yanmar mounts, which apparently won't hold if
> inverted,
> > > > with an aftermarket kit from PYI. (Surveyor indicated they were at
> EOL )The
> > > > Fwd starboard mount clearance is very tight, as you can see here:
> > > > New engine mount http://imgur.com/gallery/ipOPRzF
> > > > Is this going to be an issue?
> > > >
> > > > Engine is not aligned yet,  needless to say this one won't be going
> any
> > > > lower. I suppose I could have a bit of material removed from either
> the
> > > > bracket, or from the base of the mount (3/4 inch aluminum)
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > S/V La Neige
> > > > C&C 37/40xl
> > > > Brian
> > > > Havre de Grace
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2

[robert via CnC-List]

Steve:

I was on the dock to let his lines go when he left our club to begin his 
circumnavigation and I was on the dock to receive his lines when he 
returned.  The boat looked pretty much the same on his returnthe 
bottom needed a cleaning but that was about all I could see.  It was a 
C&C 35 MK I.


On his departure, I gave him a dozen chocolate bars..on his return, 
he gave me a big bag of kelp he had dried that he was eating on his 
journey...I didn't eat the kelp.wasn't hungry enough!


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-02-01 10:30 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
There's a Russian guy who did a solo circumnavigation with a 35 Mark 
one that he purchased for the princely sum of $1000. You can find his 
youtube channel but it's all in Russian. He's from Canada IIRC and the 
trip took place a few years back. I'm surprise more people don't 
mention it on this list.


Here we go: 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-sailor-returns-after-solo-round-the-world-trip-1.2649695


The Mark II is one of the prettiest designs to my eye.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


A MK I is not a MK II, but they are fairly close.
What to expect from a MK I offshore:

In light air you are not keeping up with many modern race boats,
but you are miles ahead of most “cruising” types. Good thing,
because the stock 18 gallons of fuel is not getting you real far!

A heavy air beat is rough work. You need the **right** headsail
up. Too much and you are on your ear and too little is not enough
drive. Reefing the main helps some, but the main is too small to
take care of all the sail area changes. For short handed sailing I
would consider roller reefing almost a requirement. One memorable
(in a bad way) trip home from Bermuda saw two cycles of calm-40+
knots-calm. We were though every sail on the boat more than once –
170,150,jib,storm jib, jib,150,170 with main reefs and unreefs
thrown in. That was some work. The boat WILL pound and you will
pound HARD if the helmsman is not paying attention. Every helm
swap woke up the off watch as the boat banged hard while the new
guy got in the groove. Almost any modern fin keel boat with
flat-ish bilges will do this. For offshore don’t worry about the
first main reef. If you need a reef at all, you need the second
and anything in the 50 knot range is the third reef and storm jib.

Crack off a bit and fun things start to happen. The MK I at least
has a close reach mode that feels like being on rails J

Once the waves get big you have some new things to deal with off
the wind. The boat will definitely surf down waves – we have seen
15+ knots down the face of a 20+ foot wave JJ

The boat does not plane like a Donzi or a modern planing sporty –
you have the stern sunk down and a LOT of helm pressure. Steering
is real fun and real hard work too. You cannot just go in a
straight line either. The routine was bear off a bit at the top to
break loose , kind of like a surfer “dropping in”, and fly down
the face of the wave. At the bottom you head up some to prevent
the boat sticking into the next wave. This is where the good range
of stability and narrow hull help – a big breaking wave on the
beam will roll you and a lot of water comes across the boat, but
she always feels eager to spring back up and try again.  You will
be wet though! Speaking of which, having the cockpit hatches come
open could be fatal. We had ours latched with much better latches
than the stock ones and locked closed. The cockpit won’t hold much
water though, it comes in and goes right back out due to being
heeled over.

For short handed sailing I would for sure bring a drogue device to
be able to run off slowly and make it easy to steer. We had a ton
of fun pushing hard in rough weather and doing 170 miles the first
day out and 180 the second, but it kept 5 of us pretty busy.

Standard warning – these are all old boats now and need a good
survey before heading offshore.

Joe

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

www.dellabarba.com 

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*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2

Ending a race is a location with palm trees is FAR better than
ending in a cold North Atlantic foggy port …

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Stus-List Window Replacement

[Dave via CnC-List]

I know this topic's been beat to death and I have every suggestion on what 
adhesive/tape to use and how to install the new windows. But, I don't have the 
emails saying how to get the old windows out. A large exacto blade worked great 
taking out the sealant but not so much on the underlying, very hard adhesive. 

Any suggestions on how to remove the old adhesive and remove the windows is 
greatly appreciated. 

Thank you, 

Dave 
Saltaire 
C&C 35 MK 3 
Bristol, RI 
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Re: Stus-List Window Replacement

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Dave,
 I would suggest dynamite!  Plexus is evil stuff, and I doubt you will
get the windows out without some gel coat damage.  The good news is if you
are careful, you can limit the damage to areas beneath the new windows
where it can't be seen.

 I tried a box cutter blade on one window and it did a lot of damage.
I then tried a router to cut the window out.  It did some damage as well.
Luckily the damage was covered by the new windows.  The results are visible
below.  The pictures are out of order, but the nice pictures are the new
window and hatches.  I used 3M VHB tape and highly recommend it.  It is
much easier to use than other adhesives and has a tenacious bond.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwQRSP2fYIFmNE1vYnVOOUZOMm8&usp=sharing

Gary
S/V High Maintenance
'90 C&C 37 Plus
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


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wrote:

> I know this topic's been beat to death and I have every suggestion on what
> adhesive/tape to use and how to install the new windows. But, I don't have
> the emails saying how to get the old windows out. A large exacto blade
> worked great taking out the sealant but not so much on the underlying, very
> hard adhesive.
>
> Any suggestions on how to remove the old adhesive and remove the windows
> is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Dave
> Saltaire
> C&C 35 MK 3
> Bristol, RI
>
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Re: Stus-List Window Replacement

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

If the old window is loose at one end (where it leaks), start pushing it 
outward from that point, even using a big rubber mallet.  The old plexis 
adhesive is strong but brittle.  Hope this helps!

Bob

Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer

> On Feb 1, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dave,
>  I would suggest dynamite!  Plexus is evil stuff, and I doubt you will 
> get the windows out without some gel coat damage.  The good news is if you 
> are careful, you can limit the damage to areas beneath the new windows where 
> it can't be seen.
> 
>  I tried a box cutter blade on one window and it did a lot of damage.  I 
> then tried a router to cut the window out.  It did some damage as well.  
> Luckily the damage was covered by the new windows.  The results are visible 
> below.  The pictures are out of order, but the nice pictures are the new 
> window and hatches.  I used 3M VHB tape and highly recommend it.  It is much 
> easier to use than other adhesives and has a tenacious bond.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwQRSP2fYIFmNE1vYnVOOUZOMm8&usp=sharing
> 
> Gary
> S/V High Maintenance
> '90 C&C 37 Plus
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
> 
> ~~~_/)~~
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Dave via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> I know this topic's been beat to death and I have every suggestion on what 
>> adhesive/tape to use and how to install the new windows. But, I don't have 
>> the emails saying how to get the old windows out. A large exacto blade 
>> worked great taking out the sealant but not so much on the underlying, very 
>> hard adhesive.
>> 
>> Any suggestions on how to remove the old adhesive and remove the windows is 
>> greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Dave
>> Saltaire
>> C&C 35 MK 3
>> Bristol, RI
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Window Replacement

[robert via CnC-List]

Dave:

I used a very stiff 'putty knife' which I filed to a sharp 
edge.slowly went around each window tapping the putty knife with a 
rubber hammer.   I got 3of the windows out with no problems..didn't 
break any gelcoat.  Then the last window, the putty knife wouldn't cut 
out the top of window #4.I accidentally touched the bottom of the 
window pushing it out a little and it broke free taking a big strop of 
the gelcoat with it.  Another repair job, the gelcoat and that's another 
story.


I used Sika 295UV and the Sika Primer..not regrets on the choice of 
adhesive.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32- 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-02-01 12:43 PM, Dave via CnC-List wrote:
I know this topic's been beat to death and I have every suggestion on 
what adhesive/tape to use and how to install the new windows. But, I 
don't have the emails saying how to get the old windows out. A large 
exacto blade worked great taking out the sealant but not so much on 
the underlying, very hard adhesive.


Any suggestions on how to remove the old adhesive and remove the 
windows is greatly appreciated.


Thank you,

Dave
Saltaire
C&C 35 MK 3
Bristol, RI


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Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Hey everyone,

Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's
history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old
Niagara-On-The-Lake C&C factory where many of our boats were built.  This
appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address
was 526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1


And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C&C's
were built.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656



Ryan
S/V Nobody's Bargain
1976 C&C 30 MK I
Hull #377
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Re: Stus-List Window Replacement

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Please let me add a few remarks about adhesive window (port)
replacements or repairs, I have been on Azura with Robert and it is
virtually impossible to notice his gelcoat repair...he did an
excellent job and the materials and procedure he used to replace his
windows seems to be standing up fine over time...he has a dry boat and
he does not even have a dripless seal on the prop shaft...amazingly
dry from what I have seen and clean, ultra clean I would say
especially for a boat that is now about 30 years old...how many years
ago was that when you replaced the windows, without a leak yet Robert,
3 years maybe more and in our Atlantic climate temps from plus 30 to
minus 30 Celsius so I say his window job is good for a long time yet
as boat repairs go...he did it as good  as you can I think, better
would be hard but go for it, otherwise follow his procedure, he is a
meticulous detail oriented sort of sailor...he is my friend of many
years and he has good experience and knowledge...I like his work, hire
him if you can
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 2:01 PM, robert via CnC-List
 wrote:
> Dave:
>
> I used a very stiff 'putty knife' which I filed to a sharp edge.slowly
> went around each window tapping the putty knife with a rubber hammer.   I
> got 3of the windows out with no problems..didn't break any gelcoat.
> Then the last window, the putty knife wouldn't cut out the top of window
> #4.I accidentally touched the bottom of the window pushing it out a
> little and it broke free taking a big strop of the gelcoat with it.  Another
> repair job, the gelcoat and that's another story.
>
> I used Sika 295UV and the Sika Primer..not regrets on the choice of
> adhesive.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32- 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
> On 2016-02-01 12:43 PM, Dave via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I know this topic's been beat to death and I have every suggestion on what
> adhesive/tape to use and how to install the new windows. But, I don't have
> the emails saying how to get the old windows out. A large exacto blade
> worked great taking out the sealant but not so much on the underlying, very
> hard adhesive.
>
> Any suggestions on how to remove the old adhesive and remove the windows is
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Dave
> Saltaire
> C&C 35 MK 3
> Bristol, RI
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

you're right, doesn't look like much nowadays...I wonder how they
handled all the waste products from construction considering they used
a lot of polyester resin and solvents at that place
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List
 wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's
> history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old
> Niagara-On-The-Lake C&C factory where many of our boats were built.  This
> appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address
> was 526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
>
>
> And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C&C's
> were built.
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
>
>
>
> Ryan
> S/V Nobody's Bargain
> 1976 C&C 30 MK I
> Hull #377
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

[Rino Granito via CnC-List]

I just want to revive the whole aspect of Canadian built boats.  Its
sad to see our  accomplishments as Canadians, being turned into dust :(
 With a bit of funding and some good management I am sure we can shine
once again..  Not only in this industry but in many others as well.  I
find this very sad indeed :(
On Mon, 2016-02-01 at 14:45 -0500, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote:
> Hey everyone, 
> 
> Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my
> boat's history and did a Google Street view search for the site of
> the old Niagara-On-The-Lake C&C factory where many of our boats were
> built.  This appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The
> official address was 526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.  
> 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,
> -79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6ab
> rM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM
> 7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3
> D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6
> m1!1e1
> 
> 
> And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later
> C&C's were built.
> 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,
> -71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XA
> gGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
> 
> 
> 
> Ryan
> S/V Nobody's Bargain
> 1976 C&C 30 MK I
> Hull #377
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I visited the Tartan C&C Fairport Marine Plant in Fairport, Ohio two years ago. 
  It was not much more impressive.  Jerry C&C27-V J&J
 

 

 

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From: Rino Granito via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Rino Granito 
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2016 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View



I just want to revive the whole aspect of Canadian built boats.  Its sad to see 
our  accomplishments as Canadians, being turned into dust :(  With a bit of 
funding and some good management I am sure we can shine once again..  Not only 
in this industry but in many others as well.  I find this very sad indeed :(


On Mon, 2016-02-01 at 14:45 -0500, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote:

Hey everyone, 


Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's 
history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old 
Niagara-On-The-Lake C&C factory where many of our boats were built.  This 
appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address was 
526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.  


https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1




And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C&C's 
were built.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656






Ryan
S/V Nobody's Bargain
1976 C&C 30 MK I
Hull #377






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Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Jeez... who knows.  I'm not sure what the laws were in Canada at that time,
but here in the States much of the environmental legislation that regulated
that type of thing was passed around or after when my boat was built
('75).  I know my Atomic 4 would be much happier running on leaded gas...

Ryan
S/V Nobody's Bargain
1976 C&C 30 MK I
Hull #377


On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 3:26 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> you're right, doesn't look like much nowadays...I wonder how they
> handled all the waste products from construction considering they used
> a lot of polyester resin and solvents at that place
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List
>  wrote:
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my
> boat's
> > history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old
> > Niagara-On-The-Lake C&C factory where many of our boats were built.  This
> > appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address
> > was 526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.
> >
> >
> https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
> >
> >
> > And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later
> C&C's
> > were built.
> >
> >
> https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
> >
> >
> >
> > Ryan
> > S/V Nobody's Bargain
> > 1976 C&C 30 MK I
> > Hull #377
> >
> >
> >
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Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance

[kelly petew via CnC-List]

My 30-2 is now 25 years old [wish I was, too!!], and has rod rigging, except 
for the split backstay and probably the forestay [has a Harken furler on it].  
The 30-2 is a double spreader rig.
About 2 years ago, I paid for a rigging inspection [mast stayed UP].  All was 
reported as OK.  
I have not raced the boat, nor have I sailed her "hard" over the past 12 
seasons [i.e., reef early, keep her "on her feet" in higher winds].
However, I have no idea how the POs used the boat, but I suspect some racing 
was done.
 
That said, I am thinking the prudent move is to have the rod rigging terminals 
"re-headed", both top and bottom terminals [I hope my use of terminology is 
accurate, and if not, at least understood]. 
I would appreciate any and all feedback from this group on what maintenance I 
should consider.  
--Does this make sense to have this done when I've had no issues?
--Can it be done without removing the mast? 
-- If I do it, should I replace the forestay? 
--What should I expect to pay roughly?  
--Can you recommend a rigger [I'm on lower Chesapeake Bay, in Deltaville, Va.]?
 
Thanks, 
 
Pete W. 
 
Siren Song
1991 30-2
Deltaville, Va.
 
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Re: Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Pete,

I had it done on my 35 4 years ago. They pulled the mast.  They did a bunch
of other stuff, such as wiring.  Labor for reheading was $450, but the
total job, including pulling the rig was a lot more!  Atlantic Spars in
Herrington Harbor did it - not close to you.

Joel

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 4:17 PM, kelly petew via CnC-List <
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> My 30-2 is now 25 years old [wish I was, too!!], and has rod rigging,
> except for the split backstay and probably the forestay [has a Harken
> furler on it].
> The 30-2 is a double spreader rig.
> About 2 years ago, I paid for a rigging inspection [mast stayed UP].  All
> was reported as OK.
> I have not raced the boat, nor have I sailed her "hard" over the past 12
> seasons [i.e., reef early, keep her "on her feet" in higher winds].
> However, I have no idea how the POs used the boat, but I suspect some
> racing was done.
>
> That said, I am thinking the prudent move is to have the rod rigging
> terminals "re-headed", both top and bottom terminals [I hope my use of
> terminology is accurate, and if not, at least understood].
> I would appreciate any and all feedback from this group on what
> maintenance I should consider.
> --Does this make sense to have this done when I've had no issues?
> --Can it be done without removing the mast?
> -- If I do it, should I replace the forestay?
> --What should I expect to pay roughly?
> --Can you recommend a rigger [I'm on lower Chesapeake Bay, in Deltaville,
> Va.]?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pete W.
>
> Siren Song
> 1991 30-2
> Deltaville, Va.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

I'm pretty sure Latell Sails in Deltaville (Ullman Sails VA) would be a good
source of rigging knowledge.  Jerry Latell, the owner is a stand up guy.

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic

1975 25 Mk 1

S/V Orion (name change forthcoming)

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

 

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Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 4:18 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: kelly petew 
Subject: Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance

 

My 30-2 is now 25 years old [wish I was, too!!], and has rod rigging, except
for the split backstay and probably the forestay [has a Harken furler on
it].  
The 30-2 is a double spreader rig.
About 2 years ago, I paid for a rigging inspection [mast stayed UP].  All
was reported as OK.  
I have not raced the boat, nor have I sailed her "hard" over the past 12
seasons [i.e., reef early, keep her "on her feet" in higher winds].
However, I have no idea how the POs used the boat, but I suspect some racing
was done.
 
That said, I am thinking the prudent move is to have the rod rigging
terminals "re-headed", both top and bottom terminals [I hope my use of
terminology is accurate, and if not, at least understood]. 
I would appreciate any and all feedback from this group on what maintenance
I should consider.  
--Does this make sense to have this done when I've had no issues?
--Can it be done without removing the mast? 
-- If I do it, should I replace the forestay? 
--What should I expect to pay roughly?  
--Can you recommend a rigger [I'm on lower Chesapeake Bay, in Deltaville,
Va.]?
 
Thanks, 
 
Pete W. 
 
Siren Song
1991 30-2
Deltaville, Va.
 

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Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

In 1994, a devastating fire at the Niagara-on-the-Lake plant destroyed 40
molds and three C&C 51s under construction. Insurance covered only part of
the loss, and Koo and Chow found it too expensive to restart.


>From the Toronto Star, April 21,1994, page A10

$2 MILLION FIRE HITS BOAT BUILDER

Niagara-on-the-Lake

The fire is a blow to C&C's 50 workers, since the market had seemed to be
on the upswing with orders for new yachts, Al VanDijk said.

No one was hurt in the 1:30 a.m. blaze, which tore through a block-long
warehouse for production equipment and fibreglass materials used to make
sailboats. Smoke and heat also damaged as many as 25 sailboats - some
coasting up to $500,000 - in sheds attacked to the main warehouse, said
Greg Warner, District 1 fire chief in the town.

"Of course it's a disappointment to us," C&C president Antony Koo said.

He said his company is still trying to assess the damage and is waiting for
the reports from the Ontario Fire Marshall's Office to determine the cause
of the blaze.

Eigh*** sailboats were in production before the fire.  The blaze could mean
the company loses some contracts from customers, Koo added.



On 1 February 2016 at 15:45, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my
> boat's history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old
> Niagara-On-The-Lake C&C factory where many of our boats were built.  This
> appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address
> was 526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
>
>
> And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later
> C&C's were built.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
>
>
>
> Ryan
> S/V Nobody's Bargain
> 1976 C&C 30 MK I
> Hull #377
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Window Replacement

[Mike Amirault via CnC-List]

I agree with Rob’s method; try to get a putty knife between the window and the 
plexus and tap it along; it will likely let go.  When I took mine out all I had 
to do was give them a sharp rap with my closed fist and they just popped out.

Mike Amirault
C&C33II Lovely Cruise
St Margarets Bay, NS

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lilesal...@gmail.com

Cheers, Al


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Re: Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Kelly,

Most rod rigging failures occur at the head.  Many on the list have had
rods re-headed.  There should be a Navtec shop near you.  If not, I used
Florida Rigging, http://www.rigginghydraulics.com/rigging.shtml.

Call the shop to discuss pricing,etc.

You can remove rigging one by one to send off.  Block the forestay and
backstay with a halyard to the bow.  My buddy and I routinely drop a
forestay for a day or two when installing curlers.

One would assume they would not re-head a bad rod.  Coil the rod to no less
than 200 x rod diameter and tie it to an "X" of 2 x 4's.  Give to UPS to
ship.

Dennis C.
On Feb 1, 2016 2:18 PM, "kelly petew via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> My 30-2 is now 25 years old [wish I was, too!!], and has rod rigging,
> except for the split backstay and probably the forestay [has a Harken
> furler on it].
> The 30-2 is a double spreader rig.
> About 2 years ago, I paid for a rigging inspection [mast stayed UP].  All
> was reported as OK.
> I have not raced the boat, nor have I sailed her "hard" over the past 12
> seasons [i.e., reef early, keep her "on her feet" in higher winds].
> However, I have no idea how the POs used the boat, but I suspect some
> racing was done.
>
> That said, I am thinking the prudent move is to have the rod rigging
> terminals "re-headed", both top and bottom terminals [I hope my use of
> terminology is accurate, and if not, at least understood].
> I would appreciate any and all feedback from this group on what
> maintenance I should consider.
> --Does this make sense to have this done when I've had no issues?
> --Can it be done without removing the mast?
> -- If I do it, should I replace the forestay?
> --What should I expect to pay roughly?
> --Can you recommend a rigger [I'm on lower Chesapeake Bay, in Deltaville,
> Va.]?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pete W.
>
> Siren Song
> 1991 30-2
> Deltaville, Va.
>
>
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Stus-List Post to list

[Alan Liles via CnC-List]

Hi all, I'm new to the list so I'll probably have a few screw ups. Anyway, I'm 
just finalizing a deal for a 37/40+ so I'll likely have a few questions arise. 

Cheers, Al


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Re: Stus-List Post to list

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Welcome to the list.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Feb 1, 2016 5:41 PM, "Alan Liles via CnC-List" 
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> Hi all, I'm new to the list so I'll probably have a few screw ups. Anyway,
> I'm just finalizing a deal for a 37/40+ so I'll likely have a few questions
> arise.
>
> Cheers, Al
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Re: Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

As Dennis said, failures generally happen at the head. As part of rebuilding my 
rig I had all of the rod re-headed. More importantly in my case was the fact 
that I changed the style of tang. The original style was very problematic and I 
replaced all of them with the newer design stemball tangs. I don't know what 
style you have but the original Navtec tangs were cutting through my rod. 

I did this in 1997 so pricing won't be of much value to you. I do feel very 
confident in the current condition of my rig as it is. 

I'm getting ready to find a good rigger in our area. I've got a contact and I 
will get back to you on that when I can.

Best,
Dave
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville VA

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 1, 2016, at 17:22, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Kelly,
> 
> Most rod rigging failures occur at the head.  Many on the list have had rods 
> re-headed.  There should be a Navtec shop near you.  If not, I used Florida 
> Rigging, http://www.rigginghydraulics.com/rigging.shtml.
> 
> Call the shop to discuss pricing,etc.
> 
> You can remove rigging one by one to send off.  Block the forestay and 
> backstay with a halyard to the bow.  My buddy and I routinely drop a forestay 
> for a day or two when installing curlers.
> 
> One would assume they would not re-head a bad rod.  Coil the rod to no less 
> than 200 x rod diameter and tie it to an "X" of 2 x 4's.  Give to UPS to ship.
> 
> Dennis C.
>> On Feb 1, 2016 2:18 PM, "kelly petew via CnC-List"  
>> wrote:
>> My 30-2 is now 25 years old [wish I was, too!!], and has rod rigging, except 
>> for the split backstay and probably the forestay [has a Harken furler on 
>> it].  
>> The 30-2 is a double spreader rig.
>> About 2 years ago, I paid for a rigging inspection [mast stayed UP].  All 
>> was reported as OK.  
>> I have not raced the boat, nor have I sailed her "hard" over the past 12 
>> seasons [i.e., reef early, keep her "on her feet" in higher winds].
>> However, I have no idea how the POs used the boat, but I suspect some racing 
>> was done.
>>  
>> That said, I am thinking the prudent move is to have the rod rigging 
>> terminals "re-headed", both top and bottom terminals [I hope my use of 
>> terminology is accurate, and if not, at least understood]. 
>> I would appreciate any and all feedback from this group on what maintenance 
>> I should consider.  
>> --Does this make sense to have this done when I've had no issues?
>> --Can it be done without removing the mast? 
>> -- If I do it, should I replace the forestay? 
>> --What should I expect to pay roughly?  
>> --Can you recommend a rigger [I'm on lower Chesapeake Bay, in Deltaville, 
>> Va.]?
>>  
>> Thanks, 
>>  
>> Pete W. 
>>  
>> Siren Song
>> 1991 30-2
>> Deltaville, Va.
>>  
>> 
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Al – welcome to the list and congrats on the new yacht.

We have hundreds of members who are just sitting back waiting for someone to 
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[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Hi Al,

I'll be the first to ask "which 37+" as soon as you close the deal.

Great boat by the way...

Welcome aboard.

Ken H.
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
1990 C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/


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> Hi all, I'm new to the list so I'll probably have a few screw ups. Anyway,
> I'm just finalizing a deal for a 37/40+ so I'll likely have a few questions
> arise.
>
> Cheers, Al
>
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Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Ryan,

The exterior of a boat building facility is rarely indicative of the quality of 
the work that goes on inside.  Many Florida boat building facilities don’t even 
have walls on the exteriors of the buildings (partially due to the heat, but I 
think they feel that every time a hurricane comes through, they’re going to 
lose the building so why bother with walls…).  It is also hard to keep a 
facility looking “pretty” if you have to store hull and deck molds outside and 
do wet layup of fiberglass indoors…

 

The boat building industry has suffered greatly during the upswings and 
downturns of our economic climate over the past 50 years, from the booms of the 
dawning of the fiberglass era, to the luxury tax disaster of the 1980’s and the 
Great Recession of the last decade.  The number of domestic North American boat 
manufacturers has been cut by 75% since 1980, both in the US and Canada.  If 
you want a good insight on the industry as a whole, not just sailboat OEMs but 
boat builders successful and not so successful, read Heart of Glass by Daniel 
Spurr.   Dan has done quite a bit of research, especially on C&C Yachts rise 
and fall, and he presents a good bit of information on how boatbuilding in 
North America developed into the iconic industry of today.  

 

It is very rough to get the right mix of design innovation, management and 
financial skills, brand and customer loyalty, and a well-trained skilled 
workforce all at the same time and keep the team together long enough to 
withstand the ups and downs of the world economic issues.  I’m always amused 
when a person tells me that sailboat builders will have a good year when oil 
and gas prices go up.  Little do they know that the same oil is  used to make  
the resins holding the boats together and the Dacron that goes into building 
the sails and ropes.  When the price of oil goes up, EVERYTHING costs more and 
only the very wealthy can afford luxury goods such as new sailing and motor 
yachts.  

 

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic

1975 25 Mk1

 

S/V Orion (for now)

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

 

 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle 
Subject: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

 

Hey everyone, 

Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's 
history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old 
Niagara-On-The-Lake C&C factory where many of our boats were built.  This 
appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address was 
526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.  

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

 

And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C&C's 
were built.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

 

Ryan
S/V Nobody's Bargain
1976 C&C 30 MK I
Hull #377




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Re: Stus-List Post to list

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Al,

Welcome to the list. You'll find this to be the most valuable resource in your 
boat ownership. 

Hope everything works out in the purchase of the 37+. 

Fair winds! Let us know where you will be based. 

All the best,

Edd

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On Feb 1, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi Al,

I'll be the first to ask "which 37+" as soon as you close the deal.

Great boat by the way...

Welcome aboard.

Ken H.
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
1990 C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/


> On 1 February 2016 at 18:40, Alan Liles via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> Hi all, I'm new to the list so I'll probably have a few screw ups. Anyway, 
> I'm just finalizing a deal for a 37/40+ so I'll likely have a few questions 
> arise.
> 
> Cheers, Al
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Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Chuck,

I certainly wasn't implying a relationship between the condition of a shuttered 
factory and our boats.  Hope it didn't come across that way.  

Just interesting to see the place where they came from.  And you're certainly 
right - the boat building business seems a tough business indeed..

> On Feb 1, 2016, at 18:51, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ryan,
> The exterior of a boat building facility is rarely indicative of the quality 
> of the work that goes on inside.  Many Florida boat building facilities don’t 
> even have walls on the exteriors of the buildings (partially due to the heat, 
> but I think they feel that every time a hurricane comes through, they’re 
> going to lose the building so why bother with walls…).  It is also hard to 
> keep a facility looking “pretty” if you have to store hull and deck molds 
> outside and do wet layup of fiberglass indoors…
>  
> The boat building industry has suffered greatly during the upswings and 
> downturns of our economic climate over the past 50 years, from the booms of 
> the dawning of the fiberglass era, to the luxury tax disaster of the 1980’s 
> and the Great Recession of the last decade.  The number of domestic North 
> American boat manufacturers has been cut by 75% since 1980, both in the US 
> and Canada.  If you want a good insight on the industry as a whole, not just 
> sailboat OEMs but boat builders successful and not so successful, read Heart 
> of Glass by Daniel Spurr.   Dan has done quite a bit of research, especially 
> on C&C Yachts rise and fall, and he presents a good bit of information on how 
> boatbuilding in North America developed into the iconic industry of today. 
>  
> It is very rough to get the right mix of design innovation, management and 
> financial skills, brand and customer loyalty, and a well-trained skilled 
> workforce all at the same time and keep the team together long enough to 
> withstand the ups and downs of the world economic issues.  I’m always amused 
> when a person tells me that sailboat builders will have a good year when oil 
> and gas prices go up.  Little do they know that the same oil is  used to make 
>  the resins holding the boats together and the Dacron that goes into building 
> the sails and ropes.  When the price of oil goes up, EVERYTHING costs more 
> and only the very wealthy can afford luxury goods such as new sailing and 
> motor yachts. 
>  
> Chuck Gilchrest
> Half Magic
> 1975 25 Mk1
>  
> S/V Orion (for now)
> 1983 35 Landfall
> Padanaram, MA
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 2:45 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Ryan Doyle 
> Subject: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View
>  
> Hey everyone,
> 
> Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's 
> history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old 
> Niagara-On-The-Lake C&C factory where many of our boats were built.  This 
> appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address was 
> 526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON. 
> 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
>  
> 
> And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C&C's 
> were built.
> 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
> 
>  
>  
> Ryan
> S/V Nobody's Bargain
> 1976 C&C 30 MK I
> Hull #377
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

The saying goes, 

 

“ If you want to make a small fortune, take a large fortune and start a boat 
Shop.”

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 7:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

 

Chuck,

 

I certainly wasn't implying a relationship between the condition of a shuttered 
factory and our boats.  Hope it didn't come across that way.  

 

Just interesting to see the place where they came from.  And you're certainly 
right - the boat building business seems a tough business indeed..


On Feb 1, 2016, at 18:51, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List  
wrote:

Ryan,

The exterior of a boat building facility is rarely indicative of the quality of 
the work that goes on inside.  Many Florida boat building facilities don’t even 
have walls on the exteriors of the buildings (partially due to the heat, but I 
think they feel that every time a hurricane comes through, they’re going to 
lose the building so why bother with walls…).  It is also hard to keep a 
facility looking “pretty” if you have to store hull and deck molds outside and 
do wet layup of fiberglass indoors…

 

The boat building industry has suffered greatly during the upswings and 
downturns of our economic climate over the past 50 years, from the booms of the 
dawning of the fiberglass era, to the luxury tax disaster of the 1980’s and the 
Great Recession of the last decade.  The number of domestic North American boat 
manufacturers has been cut by 75% since 1980, both in the US and Canada.  If 
you want a good insight on the industry as a whole, not just sailboat OEMs but 
boat builders successful and not so successful, read Heart of Glass by Daniel 
Spurr.   Dan has done quite a bit of research, especially on C&C Yachts rise 
and fall, and he presents a good bit of information on how boatbuilding in 
North America developed into the iconic industry of today.  

 

It is very rough to get the right mix of design innovation, management and 
financial skills, brand and customer loyalty, and a well-trained skilled 
workforce all at the same time and keep the team together long enough to 
withstand the ups and downs of the world economic issues.  I’m always amused 
when a person tells me that sailboat builders will have a good year when oil 
and gas prices go up.  Little do they know that the same oil is  used to make  
the resins holding the boats together and the Dacron that goes into building 
the sails and ropes.  When the price of oil goes up, EVERYTHING costs more and 
only the very wealthy can afford luxury goods such as new sailing and motor 
yachts.  

 

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic

1975 25 Mk1

 

S/V Orion (for now)

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 2:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle 
Subject: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

 

Hey everyone, 

Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's 
history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old 
Niagara-On-The-Lake C&C factory where many of our boats were built.  This 
appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address was 
526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.  

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

 

And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C&C's 
were built.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

 

Ryan
S/V Nobody's Bargain
1976 C&C 30 MK I
Hull #377





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Re: Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

My boat is 27 years old and like you I have little knowledge of what the
two previous owners have put her through.  I need to redo the entire mast.
Paint, wiring, spreaders, pretty much everything.  Not because anything is
giving me problems, simply because it is old and I had never had the rig
inspected.   I decided that the single most important AND vulnerable
component was the headstay.  Just like you, I was unsure if it was rod or
wire.  During the rig inspection almost everything came back as being in
safe condition.  The only "critical" comment was a "spot" on the headstay
(which turned out to be rod).

Extensive discussions with the shop brought up some important points which
ultimately led to my decision.

-Navtec recommends replacement of rod rigging every 10 years.

-This particular rigger had only ever seen 2 rod failures in his 20 or so
years of experience.

-Both failures were immediate and total with no warnings at the head.  Both
were over 10 years old and nearing 20.

-This rigger explained that a best case inspection of the rod requires
removal and even with a die penetrant the rod is no less likely to fail.

-The loss of a shroud or backstay can be addressed and is significantly
less likely to result in the loss of the mast.

-Replacing the furler rod with wire was estimated at $1400.  Replacing and
up sizing was estimated at $1600.  Replacing the furler with a new Furlex
(which would include a new wire headstay) was estimated at $4500.  My
existing furler was perfectly functional.

So all of those points being taken into consideration I elected to have the
headstay REPLACED with a size larger rod for added safety margin.  I'll
have the rest of the rig done and the mast re-fit during subsequent
seasonal maintenance windows.  For now, I'll have much more peace of mind.

Hope this info helps you make a decision.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Feb 1, 2016 4:18 PM, "kelly petew via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> My 30-2 is now 25 years old [wish I was, too!!], and has rod rigging,
> except for the split backstay and probably the forestay [has a Harken
> furler on it].
> The 30-2 is a double spreader rig.
> About 2 years ago, I paid for a rigging inspection [mast stayed UP].  All
> was reported as OK.
> I have not raced the boat, nor have I sailed her "hard" over the past 12
> seasons [i.e., reef early, keep her "on her feet" in higher winds].
> However, I have no idea how the POs used the boat, but I suspect some
> racing was done.
>
> That said, I am thinking the prudent move is to have the rod rigging
> terminals "re-headed", both top and bottom terminals [I hope my use of
> terminology is accurate, and if not, at least understood].
> I would appreciate any and all feedback from this group on what
> maintenance I should consider.
> --Does this make sense to have this done when I've had no issues?
> --Can it be done without removing the mast?
> -- If I do it, should I replace the forestay?
> --What should I expect to pay roughly?
> --Can you recommend a rigger [I'm on lower Chesapeake Bay, in Deltaville,
> Va.]?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pete W.
>
> Siren Song
> 1991 30-2
> Deltaville, Va.
>
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Stus-List Post to list

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Welcome...


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com



At 04:48 PM 2/1/2016, you wrote:


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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 14:40:40 -0800
From: Alan Liles 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Post to list
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Hi all, I'm new to the list so I'll probably have a few screw ups. 
Anyway, I'm just finalizing a deal for a 37/40+ so I'll likely have 
a few questions arise.


Cheers, Al
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Stus-List History of C&C33II "Pelagic"

[Mike Amirault via CnC-List]

Hi guys. I am wondering if any of you in the Halifax area know the history of 
my C&C33II. I bought the boat in Lunenburg in 2013; it was named “Pelagic”.
I know that the boat was in the Halifax area for quite a few years before that 
and someone hinted that it may once have been damaged in a hurricane or storm 
but this was not disclosed to me by the seller. I know the pulpit was repaired 
and possibly some gelcoat on the port side. If anybody can recall anything 
about this boat going aground or being damaged, I would appreciate hearing from 
you. Sail #73.  Having said that, she is in great shape, and sails very well, 
I’m really pleased with it.

Mike Amirault
C&C33II  “Lovely Cruise”
St Margarets Bay, NS

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Re: Stus-List History of C&C33II "Pelagic"

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Isn't that the one that was on the bottom for a month or so?























Just kidding.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 1 February 2016 at 17:14, Mike Amirault via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi guys. I am wondering if any of you in the Halifax area know the history
> of my C&C33II. I bought the boat in Lunenburg in 2013; it was named
> “Pelagic”.
> I know that the boat was in the Halifax area for quite a few years before
> that and someone hinted that it may once have been damaged in a hurricane
> or storm but this was not disclosed to me by the seller. I know the pulpit
> was repaired and possibly some gelcoat on the port side. If anybody can
> recall anything about this boat going aground or being damaged, I would
> appreciate hearing from you. Sail #73.  Having said that, she is in great
> shape, and sails very well, I’m really pleased with it.
>
> Mike Amirault
> C&C33II  “Lovely Cruise”
> St Margarets Bay, NS
>
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Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Or open a ski area!

-Original Message-
From: "Bill Coleman via CnC-List" 
Sent: ‎2016-‎02-‎01 7:35 PM
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: "Bill Coleman" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

The saying goes, 
 
“ If you want to make a small fortune, take a large fortune and start a boat 
Shop.”
 
Bill Coleman
C&C 39 Erie, PA
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 7:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View
 
Chuck,
 
I certainly wasn't implying a relationship between the condition of a shuttered 
factory and our boats.  Hope it didn't come across that way.  
 
Just interesting to see the place where they came from.  And you're certainly 
right - the boat building business seems a tough business indeed..

On Feb 1, 2016, at 18:51, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List  
wrote:
Ryan,
The exterior of a boat building facility is rarely indicative of the quality of 
the work that goes on inside.  Many Florida boat building facilities don’t even 
have walls on the exteriors of the buildings (partially due to the heat, but I 
think they feel that every time a hurricane comes through, they’re going to 
lose the building so why bother with walls…).  It is also hard to keep a 
facility looking “pretty” if you have to store hull and deck molds outside and 
do wet layup of fiberglass indoors…
 
The boat building industry has suffered greatly during the upswings and 
downturns of our economic climate over the past 50 years, from the booms of the 
dawning of the fiberglass era, to the luxury tax disaster of the 1980’s and the 
Great Recession of the last decade.  The number of domestic North American boat 
manufacturers has been cut by 75% since 1980, both in the US and Canada.  If 
you want a good insight on the industry as a whole, not just sailboat OEMs but 
boat builders successful and not so successful, read Heart of Glass by Daniel 
Spurr.   Dan has done quite a bit of research, especially on C&C Yachts rise 
and fall, and he presents a good bit of information on how boatbuilding in 
North America developed into the iconic industry of today.  
 
It is very rough to get the right mix of design innovation, management and 
financial skills, brand and customer loyalty, and a well-trained skilled 
workforce all at the same time and keep the team together long enough to 
withstand the ups and downs of the world economic issues.  I’m always amused 
when a person tells me that sailboat builders will have a good year when oil 
and gas prices go up.  Little do they know that the same oil is  used to make  
the resins holding the boats together and the Dacron that goes into building 
the sails and ropes.  When the price of oil goes up, EVERYTHING costs more and 
only the very wealthy can afford luxury goods such as new sailing and motor 
yachts.  
 
Chuck Gilchrest
Half Magic
1975 25 Mk1
 
S/V Orion (for now)
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA
 
 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 2:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle 
Subject: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View
 
Hey everyone, 
Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's 
history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old 
Niagara-On-The-Lake C&C factory where many of our boats were built.  This 
appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address was 
526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.  
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
 
And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C&C's 
were built.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
 
 
Ryan
S/V Nobody's Bargain
1976 C&C 30 MK I
Hull #377




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Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

I showed the Niagara picture to my boat and it cried. 

Brent D
27-5
Built in Niagara on the lake. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 1, 2016, at 8:23 PM, John Irvin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Or open a ski area!
> From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List
> Sent: ‎2016-‎02-‎01 7:35 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Bill Coleman
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View
> 
> The saying goes,
>  
> “ If you want to make a small fortune, take a large fortune and start a boat 
> Shop.”
>  
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39 Erie, PA
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 7:24 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Ryan Doyle
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View
>  
> Chuck,
>  
> I certainly wasn't implying a relationship between the condition of a 
> shuttered factory and our boats.  Hope it didn't come across that way.  
>  
> Just interesting to see the place where they came from.  And you're certainly 
> right - the boat building business seems a tough business indeed..
> 
> On Feb 1, 2016, at 18:51, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ryan,
> The exterior of a boat building facility is rarely indicative of the quality 
> of the work that goes on inside.  Many Florida boat building facilities don’t 
> even have walls on the exteriors of the buildings (partially due to the heat, 
> but I think they feel that every time a hurricane comes through, they’re 
> going to lose the building so why bother with walls…).  It is also hard to 
> keep a facility looking “pretty” if you have to store hull and deck molds 
> outside and do wet layup of fiberglass indoors…
>  
> The boat building industry has suffered greatly during the upswings and 
> downturns of our economic climate over the past 50 years, from the booms of 
> the dawning of the fiberglass era, to the luxury tax disaster of the 1980’s 
> and the Great Recession of the last decade.  The number of domestic North 
> American boat manufacturers has been cut by 75% since 1980, both in the US 
> and Canada.  If you want a good insight on the industry as a whole, not just 
> sailboat OEMs but boat builders successful and not so successful, read Heart 
> of Glass by Daniel Spurr.   Dan has done quite a bit of research, especially 
> on C&C Yachts rise and fall, and he presents a good bit of information on how 
> boatbuilding in North America developed into the iconic industry of today. 
>  
> It is very rough to get the right mix of design innovation, management and 
> financial skills, brand and customer loyalty, and a well-trained skilled 
> workforce all at the same time and keep the team together long enough to 
> withstand the ups and downs of the world economic issues.  I’m always amused 
> when a person tells me that sailboat builders will have a good year when oil 
> and gas prices go up.  Little do they know that the same oil is  used to make 
>  the resins holding the boats together and the Dacron that goes into building 
> the sails and ropes.  When the price of oil goes up, EVERYTHING costs more 
> and only the very wealthy can afford luxury goods such as new sailing and 
> motor yachts. 
>  
> Chuck Gilchrest
> Half Magic
> 1975 25 Mk1
>  
> S/V Orion (for now)
> 1983 35 Landfall
> Padanaram, MA
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 2:45 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Ryan Doyle 
> Subject: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View
>  
> Hey everyone,
> 
> Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's 
> history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old 
> Niagara-On-The-Lake C&C factory where many of our boats were built.  This 
> appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address was 
> 526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON. 
> 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
>  
> 
> And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C&C's 
> were built.
> 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
> 
>  
>  
> Ryan
> S/V Nobody's Bargain
> 1976 C&C 30 MK I
> Hull #377
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Old C&C factories on Google Street View

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Good one Bill.

Like the forest industry gam at an ecological convention, "Ya can 
make anything outta wood except a profit."


or, when the farmer was asked what he will do with his lottery win, 
"I guess I can keep farming, until it's gone."


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
taking tomorrow off and doing some boat puttering




At 04:34 PM 01/02/2016, you wrote:


The saying goes,

 If you want to make a small fortune, take a large fortune and 
start a boat Shop.


Bill Coleman
C&C 39 Erie, PA




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