Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

You have it right if you are talking about an echo charger. The simplest 
explanation is that the echo charger is a relay that closes based on the 
differential of voltage between the two battery banks. It allows a controlled 
amount of current (Max 15A in the case of the one I use to charge the battery 
under the v-berth) to flow in only one direction. So you wire it with charging 
source on the house bank, and when the start battery is low and the house is 
charging the relay closes and delivers part of the charging current to the 
start battery. Start bank high and house bank low, the relay remains open.

 

An ACR is a bi directional device that also closes based on voltage 
differential between the two banks. If house is high and start low, the current 
flows to the start battery. If start is high and house low, the relay still 
closes and current flows from start to house. The Blue Seas ACR I did not use 
in my system will pass up to 120A between the batteries based on the voltage 
differential, so I really would not characterize it as a “controlled current” 
device. If the voltage differential is too great, the Blue Seas ACR will not 
close, which prevents current flow if one of the batteries or cables is shorted.

 

I think of a battery combiner as a temporary switch that puts the two banks in 
parallel regardless of the voltage differential. In effect it is an electronic 
alternative to the ALL position on the traditional 1-ALL-2 battery switch.

 

And in answer to another question about the impact of an ACR or echo charger on 
a two bank charger: since the relay closes on voltage differential, and both 
legs of the charger start out at essentially the same voltage, there shouldn’t 
be a great differential and the relay shouldn’t close while the charger is 
running. YMMV, since the software that controls the output current and voltage 
of each leg of the charger can vary by manufacturer.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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So if I understand this correctly it isn’t a 2-way street.  When a charging 
source is connected to the house bank the rise in voltage will close the 
solenoid and the two bank are now joined.  The voltage “sensor” is only on the 
house bank side.  So if the starting bank is at 14 volts and the house bank is 
at 12v the circuit will remain open and the banks will remain isolated.  Do I 
have this right?

 

John

 

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

The 1-All-2 typically is a make-before-break type switch so that the circuit 
will never see a alternator-diode-frying open circuit. That being said I 
understand it isn’t best practice as arcing occurs and degrades the switch  
same reason it’s best not to leave circuits turned on (e.g. cabin lights) and 
use the 1-All-2 to switch them on and off   plus the danger of accidentally 
switching to off, as noted previously.

Most ACRs have the ability to be shut off via a switch installed in the ground 
wire  whether normally-open or normally-closed depends on the make of ACR. 
So you can set it up to switch the ACR off when connected to shore power and 
let a multi-bank charger operate without the ACR combining banks during the 
charging cycle. You can also substitute a relay for the switch. Relay installed 
in the AC shorepower line so that the ACR is turned off as soon as the 
shorepower is switched on. A bypass switch can be added if desired. There are 
technical notes on Blue Seas website covering this.

Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
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Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

The Blue Sea ACR is dual sensing.  Below is a quote from the Blue Sea website:

"An ACR senses when the voltage of either of the batteries rises to a level 
indicating that a charge source is active (13.6V for 30s or 13.0V for 90s). The 
ACR′s contacts then connect and the ACR applies the charge to both batteries. 
If the voltage on both of the batteries subsequently drops to 12.75V for 30 
seconds, the ACR will disconnect, isolating the batteries."

So if the starting bank is at 14 volts and the house bank is at 12v the circuit 
will combine the banks. 

-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 9:41 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:25:28 -0400
> From: John Pennie mailto:j...@svpaws.net>>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay
> Message-ID:  >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I guess the more accurate way of saying this is that the solenoid can only be 
> closed by one source bank; however it?s wired.
> 
> John
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:14 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>> So if I understand this correctly it isn?t a 2-way street.  When a charging 
>> source is connected to the house bank the rise in voltage will close the 
>> solenoid and the two bank are now joined. The voltage ?sensor? is only on 
>> the house bank side.  So if the starting bank is at 14 volts and the house 
>> bank is at 12v the circuit will remain open and the banks will remain 
>> isolated.  Do I have this right?
>> 
>> John

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Re: Stus-List Batteries all charged up?

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

You can charge batteries of different capacities together, but you should
not discharge them together, at least on a regular basis. I charge my
3XGp31 house bank along with my single Group 24 start battery, but always
switch to house when we are settled for the night. Always. Knock on wood,
but 19 years and counting.

I have a Balmar 90A alternator with a Balmar ARS-IV regulator, so I get
45-50 amps out of it at 1100 RPM and 85A at 2500 RPM. At least for a while.
Last year I finally put a temp sensor on the alternator and now the
regulator knocks it down to 35A when it gets too hot, so I end up with
about a 60/40 charge ratio. Still gets me from 60% to 90% in an hour of
motoring.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Batteries all charged up?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Chuck;

 

I’m charging 460 AH of house bank (4 deep cycle batteries) with the 45 amp
alternator that is stock on a Westerbeke 36 hp engine. In addition, there is
an echo charger that charges a small 24DC battery under the v-berth (that
powers the Lecra-San and the anchor windlass). The echo charger allows
controlled current to flow from the house bank when there is high voltage
there (14v or so, IIRC) during charging and the secondary battery is at a
low voltage (12.0 or so?).

 

The boat sits for long periods of time without being connected to shore
power, with the only load on the house bank being the bilge pump. I was on
the boat on Tuesday. The house bank was at 12.53V or about 95% of capacity
after 7 ½ weeks of inactivity. The Group 27DC start battery is still at
12.59v. All in all, it is much like being on a mooring for an extended
period of time.

 

Running my engine for about 45 minutes will restore both house and start
batteries to full charge.

 

Your yard may be justified in the in saying that your 35 amp alternator
would be taxed to recharge your batteries if they were badly depleted after
a day of running your fridge and other electric loads while at anchor. When
fully depleted to 50% charge, you would be down something like 150AH and
need to run the engine at higher speeds to give max output from the
alternator for around 5 hours to recharge. 

 

But for the typical discharge levels you would see from moderate time on the
mooring your stock alternator should not be overtaxed.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:11 PM
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Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
Subject: Stus-List Batteries all charged up?

 

Does anyone out there charge a pair of Group 31 batteries using the lower
output alternator?

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic 

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Thanks Josh - the ham in me just needs to understand the how.

John

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Yep that's right.
> 
> Josh
> 
> On Apr 6, 2016 8:26 PM, "John Pennie via CnC-List"  > wrote:
> I guess the more accurate way of saying this is that the solenoid can only be 
> closed by one source bank; however it’s wired.
> 
> John
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:14 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>> So if I understand this correctly it isn’t a 2-way street.  When a charging 
>> source is connected to the house bank the rise in voltage will close the 
>> solenoid and the two bank are now joined.  The voltage “sensor” is only on 
>> the house bank side.  So if the starting bank is at 14 volts and the house 
>> bank is at 12v the circuit will remain open and the banks will remain 
>> isolated.  Do I have this right?
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is safe to switch between 1-ALL-2 as long as everything is working as 
>>> designed.  You also have to be very careful not to accidentally overshoot 
>>> to the off position.  What isn't safe is turning the ignition switch to off 
>>> while the engine is running, or as mentioned turning the batt switch to off 
>>> while the engine is running.
>>> 
>>> The only concern about mixed types of batteries is various chemistries.  A 
>>> leaf acid starting battery and a lead acid deap cycle battery are the same 
>>> chemistry so you're fine.
>>> 
>>> Josh Muckley
>>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> 1989 C&C 37+
>>> Solomons, MD
>>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2016 3:48 PM, "Bruce Pope via CnC-List" >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is it safe to switch between 1-BOTH-2 while the engine is running?  I have 
>>> gotten mixed messages about that.  Haven't tried and am starting/charging 
>>> in the BOTH position assuming therefore that banks are in parallel and both 
>>> are charging.   But, read somewhere that it is bad form to charge different 
>>> types of batteries (starter/deep cycle house) this way.
>>> 
>>> From: CnC-List >> > on behalf of Josh Muckley via 
>>> CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:58 PM
>>> To: C&C List
>>> Cc: Josh Muckley
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay
>>>  
>>> It's not "smart" it always starts charging the "primary" bank first.  Once 
>>> the primary battery is full (ish) it combines the second battery.
>>> 
>>> Josh
>>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016 9:50 PM, "John Pennie via CnC-List" >> > wrote:
>>> Thanks Gary.  I get that and I suppose it certainly simplifies the wiring - 
>>> you essentially have one bank for charging purposes.  No opinion at this 
>>> point although I do feel silly having spent the last year dutifully 
>>> switching between 1-both -2.  I assume it’s just a relay that connects the 
>>> circuit at a set voltage.  Not sure how it can be smart enough to determine 
>>> which bank to charge first but perhaps they are more than just a relay.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
 On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List 
 mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
 
 Hi John,
  I've had ACRs on my boats for the last 15 years and I think they are 
 one of the best upgrades you can do.  When I bought "Kaylarah" (formerly 
 "High Maintenance",adding and ACR was one of my first upgrades.  They are 
 usually wired to charge the house bank first, then the start bank.  If 
 your start bank was very low, you could could still use a combine switch 
 to get the engine started.  I have never had a problem with the ACRs and I 
 can't say the same about a 1-BOTH-2 switch.  All you have to do is forget 
 to switch to 1 or 2 after you shut the engine off and you can kill both 
 batteries while sitting on a hook.  That won't happen with and ACR.  I 
 think you will come to like them.
 
 Fair winds,
 Gary
 S/V Kaylarah
 '90 C&C 37+
 East Greenwich, RI, USA
 
 ~~~_/)~~
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:38 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
 mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
 So while connecting batteries today i discovered, to my surprise, that 
 Paws has an automatic charging relay between the two battery banks.  Yes, 
 I’m still learning this boat.  So as I understand it, once voltage hits 
 13.6 volts (or 13.0 for 2 minutes) the relay will automatically combine 
 the two banks to share the changing source.  Not sure how I feel about 
 that.
 
 On the plus side, I guess it’s great that I don’t have to worry about 
 moving a battery selector switch while the engine is running.  On the down 
 side -
 
 How does a battery charger monitoring two banks handle this?  I just seems 
 it has to s

Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yep that's right.

Josh
On Apr 6, 2016 8:26 PM, "John Pennie via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I guess the more accurate way of saying this is that the solenoid can only
> be closed by one source bank; however it’s wired.
>
> John
>
> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:14 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> So if I understand this correctly it isn’t a 2-way street.  When a
> charging source is connected to the house bank the rise in voltage will
> close the solenoid and the two bank are now joined.  The voltage “sensor”
> is only on the house bank side.  So if the starting bank is at 14 volts and
> the house bank is at 12v the circuit will remain open and the banks will
> remain isolated.  Do I have this right?
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> It is safe to switch between 1-ALL-2 as long as everything is working as
> designed.  You also have to be very careful not to accidentally overshoot
> to the off position.  What isn't safe is turning the ignition switch to off
> while the engine is running, or as mentioned turning the batt switch to off
> while the engine is running.
>
> The only concern about mixed types of batteries is various chemistries.  A
> leaf acid starting battery and a lead acid deap cycle battery are the same
> chemistry so you're fine.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Apr 6, 2016 3:48 PM, "Bruce Pope via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Is it safe to switch between 1-BOTH-2 while the engine is running?  I
>> have gotten mixed messages about that.  Haven't tried and am
>> starting/charging in the BOTH position assuming therefore that banks are in
>> parallel and both are charging.   But, read somewhere that it is bad form
>> to charge different types of batteries (starter/deep cycle house) this way.
>>
>> --
>> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Josh
>> Muckley via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:58 PM
>> *To:* C&C List
>> *Cc:* Josh Muckley
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay
>>
>>
>> It's not "smart" it always starts charging the "primary" bank first.
>> Once the primary battery is full (ish) it combines the second battery.
>>
>> Josh
>> On Apr 5, 2016 9:50 PM, "John Pennie via CnC-List" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Gary.  I get that and I suppose it certainly simplifies the
>>> wiring - you essentially have one bank for charging purposes.  No opinion
>>> at this point although I do feel silly having spent the last year dutifully
>>> switching between 1-both -2.  I assume it’s just a relay that connects the
>>> circuit at a set voltage.  Not sure how it can be smart enough to determine
>>> which bank to charge first but perhaps they are more than just a relay.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>  I've had ACRs on my boats for the last 15 years and I think they
>>> are one of the best upgrades you can do.  When I bought "Kaylarah"
>>> (formerly "High Maintenance",adding and ACR was one of my first upgrades.
>>> They are usually wired to charge the house bank first, then the start
>>> bank.  If your start bank was very low, you could could still use a combine
>>> switch to get the engine started.  I have never had a problem with the ACRs
>>> and I can't say the same about a 1-BOTH-2 switch.  All you have to do is
>>> forget to switch to 1 or 2 after you shut the engine off and you can kill
>>> both batteries while sitting on a hook.  That won't happen with and ACR.  I
>>> think you will come to like them.
>>>
>>> Fair winds,
>>> Gary
>>> S/V Kaylarah
>>> '90 C&C 37+
>>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>>>
>>> ~~~_/)~~
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:38 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 So while connecting batteries today i discovered, to my surprise, that
 Paws has an automatic charging relay between the two battery banks.  Yes,
 I’m still learning this boat.  So as I understand it, once voltage hits
 13.6 volts (or 13.0 for 2 minutes) the relay will automatically combine the
 two banks to share the changing source.  Not sure how I feel about that.

 On the plus side, I guess it’s great that I don’t have to worry about
 moving a battery selector switch while the engine is running.  On the down
 side -

 How does a battery charger monitoring two banks handle this?  I just
 seems it has to screw up the logic on the charger.
 Essentially there is no way to isolate charging?  So if I know I only
 have limited time to charge and want to concentrate on one bank I have no
 choice?

 What I missing?

 John


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Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

I guess the more accurate way of saying this is that the solenoid can only be 
closed by one source bank; however it’s wired.

John

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:14 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> So if I understand this correctly it isn’t a 2-way street.  When a charging 
> source is connected to the house bank the rise in voltage will close the 
> solenoid and the two bank are now joined.  The voltage “sensor” is only on 
> the house bank side.  So if the starting bank is at 14 volts and the house 
> bank is at 12v the circuit will remain open and the banks will remain 
> isolated.  Do I have this right?
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>> It is safe to switch between 1-ALL-2 as long as everything is working as 
>> designed.  You also have to be very careful not to accidentally overshoot to 
>> the off position.  What isn't safe is turning the ignition switch to off 
>> while the engine is running, or as mentioned turning the batt switch to off 
>> while the engine is running.
>> 
>> The only concern about mixed types of batteries is various chemistries.  A 
>> leaf acid starting battery and a lead acid deap cycle battery are the same 
>> chemistry so you're fine.
>> 
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>> 
>> On Apr 6, 2016 3:48 PM, "Bruce Pope via CnC-List" > > wrote:
>> 
>> Is it safe to switch between 1-BOTH-2 while the engine is running?  I have 
>> gotten mixed messages about that.  Haven't tried and am starting/charging in 
>> the BOTH position assuming therefore that banks are in parallel and both are 
>> charging.   But, read somewhere that it is bad form to charge different 
>> types of batteries (starter/deep cycle house) this way.
>> 
>> From: CnC-List > > on behalf of Josh Muckley via 
>> CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:58 PM
>> To: C&C List
>> Cc: Josh Muckley
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay
>>  
>> It's not "smart" it always starts charging the "primary" bank first.  Once 
>> the primary battery is full (ish) it combines the second battery.
>> 
>> Josh
>> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016 9:50 PM, "John Pennie via CnC-List" > > wrote:
>> Thanks Gary.  I get that and I suppose it certainly simplifies the wiring - 
>> you essentially have one bank for charging purposes.  No opinion at this 
>> point although I do feel silly having spent the last year dutifully 
>> switching between 1-both -2.  I assume it’s just a relay that connects the 
>> circuit at a set voltage.  Not sure how it can be smart enough to determine 
>> which bank to charge first but perhaps they are more than just a relay.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List 
>>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>>  I've had ACRs on my boats for the last 15 years and I think they are 
>>> one of the best upgrades you can do.  When I bought "Kaylarah" (formerly 
>>> "High Maintenance",adding and ACR was one of my first upgrades.  They are 
>>> usually wired to charge the house bank first, then the start bank.  If your 
>>> start bank was very low, you could could still use a combine switch to get 
>>> the engine started.  I have never had a problem with the ACRs and I can't 
>>> say the same about a 1-BOTH-2 switch.  All you have to do is forget to 
>>> switch to 1 or 2 after you shut the engine off and you can kill both 
>>> batteries while sitting on a hook.  That won't happen with and ACR.  I 
>>> think you will come to like them.
>>> 
>>> Fair winds,
>>> Gary
>>> S/V Kaylarah
>>> '90 C&C 37+
>>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>>> 
>>> ~~~_/)~~
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:38 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
>>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>> So while connecting batteries today i discovered, to my surprise, that Paws 
>>> has an automatic charging relay between the two battery banks.  Yes, I’m 
>>> still learning this boat.  So as I understand it, once voltage hits 13.6 
>>> volts (or 13.0 for 2 minutes) the relay will automatically combine the two 
>>> banks to share the changing source.  Not sure how I feel about that.
>>> 
>>> On the plus side, I guess it’s great that I don’t have to worry about 
>>> moving a battery selector switch while the engine is running.  On the down 
>>> side -
>>> 
>>> How does a battery charger monitoring two banks handle this?  I just seems 
>>> it has to screw up the logic on the charger.
>>> Essentially there is no way to isolate charging?  So if I know I only have 
>>> limited time to charge and want to concentrate on one bank I have no choice?
>>> 
>>> What I missing?
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

So if I understand this correctly it isn’t a 2-way street.  When a charging 
source is connected to the house bank the rise in voltage will close the 
solenoid and the two bank are now joined.  The voltage “sensor” is only on the 
house bank side.  So if the starting bank is at 14 volts and the house bank is 
at 12v the circuit will remain open and the banks will remain isolated.  Do I 
have this right?

John



> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> It is safe to switch between 1-ALL-2 as long as everything is working as 
> designed.  You also have to be very careful not to accidentally overshoot to 
> the off position.  What isn't safe is turning the ignition switch to off 
> while the engine is running, or as mentioned turning the batt switch to off 
> while the engine is running.
> 
> The only concern about mixed types of batteries is various chemistries.  A 
> leaf acid starting battery and a lead acid deap cycle battery are the same 
> chemistry so you're fine.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Apr 6, 2016 3:48 PM, "Bruce Pope via CnC-List"  > wrote:
> 
> Is it safe to switch between 1-BOTH-2 while the engine is running?  I have 
> gotten mixed messages about that.  Haven't tried and am starting/charging in 
> the BOTH position assuming therefore that banks are in parallel and both are 
> charging.   But, read somewhere that it is bad form to charge different types 
> of batteries (starter/deep cycle house) this way.
> 
> From: CnC-List  > on behalf of Josh Muckley via 
> CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:58 PM
> To: C&C List
> Cc: Josh Muckley
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay
>  
> It's not "smart" it always starts charging the "primary" bank first.  Once 
> the primary battery is full (ish) it combines the second battery.
> 
> Josh
> 
> On Apr 5, 2016 9:50 PM, "John Pennie via CnC-List"  > wrote:
> Thanks Gary.  I get that and I suppose it certainly simplifies the wiring - 
> you essentially have one bank for charging purposes.  No opinion at this 
> point although I do feel silly having spent the last year dutifully switching 
> between 1-both -2.  I assume it’s just a relay that connects the circuit at a 
> set voltage.  Not sure how it can be smart enough to determine which bank to 
> charge first but perhaps they are more than just a relay.
> 
> John
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>>  I've had ACRs on my boats for the last 15 years and I think they are 
>> one of the best upgrades you can do.  When I bought "Kaylarah" (formerly 
>> "High Maintenance",adding and ACR was one of my first upgrades.  They are 
>> usually wired to charge the house bank first, then the start bank.  If your 
>> start bank was very low, you could could still use a combine switch to get 
>> the engine started.  I have never had a problem with the ACRs and I can't 
>> say the same about a 1-BOTH-2 switch.  All you have to do is forget to 
>> switch to 1 or 2 after you shut the engine off and you can kill both 
>> batteries while sitting on a hook.  That won't happen with and ACR.  I think 
>> you will come to like them.
>> 
>> Fair winds,
>> Gary
>> S/V Kaylarah
>> '90 C&C 37+
>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>> 
>> ~~~_/)~~
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:38 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> So while connecting batteries today i discovered, to my surprise, that Paws 
>> has an automatic charging relay between the two battery banks.  Yes, I’m 
>> still learning this boat.  So as I understand it, once voltage hits 13.6 
>> volts (or 13.0 for 2 minutes) the relay will automatically combine the two 
>> banks to share the changing source.  Not sure how I feel about that.
>> 
>> On the plus side, I guess it’s great that I don’t have to worry about moving 
>> a battery selector switch while the engine is running.  On the down side -
>> 
>> How does a battery charger monitoring two banks handle this?  I just seems 
>> it has to screw up the logic on the charger.
>> Essentially there is no way to isolate charging?  So if I know I only have 
>> limited time to charge and want to concentrate on one bank I have no choice?
>> 
>> What I missing?
>> 
>> John
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Nice 32 for sale - Lake Ontario

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

That makes a lot of sense. Never having sailed on a boat with a centerboard
that didn't even occur to me.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Nice 32 for sale - Lake Ontario

[Chris Duer via CnC-List]

It is likely for the centerboard pennant to lead to the cabin top.

Nice looking boat.

Chris
34 #117
Morning View

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 1980 Swing Keel 
> 
> No affiliation. Came across the ad and noticed some things about that boat I 
> really liked, namely the super clean engine compartment. To me that's a sign 
> of a well taken care of boat. I wonder, does that compression post (?) aft of 
> the mast do something for the swing keel version? I have not seen that 
> before. Swing keel 32s aren't common.
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
> 
> 
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[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

1980 Swing Keel


No affiliation. Came across the ad and noticed some things about that boat
I really liked, namely the super clean engine compartment. To me that's a
sign of a well taken care of boat. I wonder, does that compression post (?)
aft of the mast do something for the swing keel version? I have not seen
that before. Swing keel 32s aren't common.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Batteries all charged up?

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Chuck — I’m charging two Trojan T105 golf cart batteries in series with my 
stock alternator; the two batteries combined give a total of 225Ah of capacity, 
which is more than double what many Group 31 batteries are rated at.  No 
problems at all.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone out there charge a pair of Group 31 batteries using the lower 
> output alternator?

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Re: Stus-List Batteries all charged up?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Chuck

I was charging two 31s with my 35 amp alternator.  When I had problems with
my system I put in a 50 amp instead.  Non OEM alternators are cheap.  I'd
rather have 2 house batteries than risk killing one at a time.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bruce,
>
> My boatyard says it puts a very heavy load on the alternator to charge
> both house and starter batteries at the same time using the diesel.  Same
> if you have two house batteries hooked up in parallel.  If you’ve installed
> a high output alternator on your diesel or have alternate charging methods
> (shore power battery charger, solar panel, etc.)  there’s less issue,
> although I’m of the understanding that batteries being charged together
> should be the same capacity and relative age.
>
>
>
> On my “new boat”, it came with 2 group 31 (house) and one group 24
> starter.   It has a Promarine charger that runs off 110 current.  The PO
> spent most of the time hooked up to shore power and even had a Tenma 12v
> power source that he could run the 12v circuit when he had access to 110v
> shore power.I’m going to be on a mooring and I’m being told that unless
> I can somehow upgrade my charging system, It is a bad idea for me to have
> two Group 31 batteries in parallel as it will burn out the stock 35A
> alternator on the Yanmar 3HM.  I’m buying new batteries so now is the time
> for a decision.  Will probably go with one Group 31 for the house and one
> Group 24 for the starter.  There’s a two battery switch on the bulkhead so
> I can assume the second Group 31 was wired in parallel on the same switch.
>
>
>
> I’m trying to avoid turning my lovely Landfall 35 into a Beverly
> Hillbillies looking stern  (my wife insisted we buy davits) by adding wind
> generators, solar panels along with all the other “essential” debris that
> clutters up a cruising boat.   The boat has  12V refrigeration (OEM Waaco
> Cold Machine) that would be wonderful to turn on occasionally to keep a few
> things cold while cruising.  Does anyone out there charge a pair of Group
> 31 batteries using the lower output alternator?
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> Half Magic
>
> 1983 LF 35
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce
> Pope via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 6, 2016 3:44 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Bruce Pope 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay
>
>
>
>
>
> Is it safe to switch between 1-BOTH-2 while the engine is running?  I have
> gotten mixed messages about that.  Haven't tried and am starting/charging
> in the BOTH position assuming therefore that banks are in parallel and both
> are charging.   But, read somewhere that it is bad form to charge different
> types of batteries (starter/deep cycle house) this way.
> --
>
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:58 PM
> *To:* C&C List
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay
>
>
>
> It's not "smart" it always starts charging the "primary" bank first.  Once
> the primary battery is full (ish) it combines the second battery.
>
> Josh
>
> On Apr 5, 2016 9:50 PM, "John Pennie via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gary.  I get that and I suppose it certainly simplifies the wiring
> - you essentially have one bank for charging purposes.  No opinion at this
> point although I do feel silly having spent the last year dutifully
> switching between 1-both -2.  I assume it’s just a relay that connects the
> circuit at a set voltage.  Not sure how it can be smart enough to determine
> which bank to charge first but perhaps they are more than just a relay.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi John,
>
>  I've had ACRs on my boats for the last 15 years and I think they are
> one of the best upgrades you can do.  When I bought "Kaylarah" (formerly
> "High Maintenance",adding and ACR was one of my first upgrades.  They are
> usually wired to charge the house bank first, then the start bank.  If your
> start bank was very low, you could could still use a combine switch to get
> the engine started.  I have never had a problem with the ACRs and I can't
> say the same about a 1-BOTH-2 switch.  All you have to do is forget to
> switch to 1 or 2 after you shut the engine off and you can kill both
> batteries while sitting on a hook.  That won't happen with and ACR.  I
> think you will come to like them.
>
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Gary
>
> S/V Kaylarah
>
> '90 C&C 37+
>
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:38 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> So while connecting batteries today i discovered, to my surprise, that
> Paws has an automatic charging relay between the two battery banks.  Yes,
> I’m still

Stus-List Batteries all charged up?

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Bruce,

My boatyard says it puts a very heavy load on the alternator to charge both
house and starter batteries at the same time using the diesel.  Same if you
have two house batteries hooked up in parallel.  If you've installed a high
output alternator on your diesel or have alternate charging methods (shore
power battery charger, solar panel, etc.)  there's less issue, although I'm
of the understanding that batteries being charged together should be the
same capacity and relative age.

 

On my "new boat", it came with 2 group 31 (house) and one group 24 starter.
It has a Promarine charger that runs off 110 current.  The PO spent most of
the time hooked up to shore power and even had a Tenma 12v power source that
he could run the 12v circuit when he had access to 110v shore power.I'm
going to be on a mooring and I'm being told that unless I can somehow
upgrade my charging system, It is a bad idea for me to have two Group 31
batteries in parallel as it will burn out the stock 35A alternator on the
Yanmar 3HM.  I'm buying new batteries so now is the time for a decision.
Will probably go with one Group 31 for the house and one Group 24 for the
starter.  There's a two battery switch on the bulkhead so I can assume the
second Group 31 was wired in parallel on the same switch.

 

I'm trying to avoid turning my lovely Landfall 35 into a Beverly Hillbillies
looking stern  (my wife insisted we buy davits) by adding wind generators,
solar panels along with all the other "essential" debris that clutters up a
cruising boat.   The boat has  12V refrigeration (OEM Waaco Cold Machine)
that would be wonderful to turn on occasionally to keep a few things cold
while cruising.  Does anyone out there charge a pair of Group 31 batteries
using the lower output alternator?

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic 

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Pope via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 3:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bruce Pope 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay

 

 

Is it safe to switch between 1-BOTH-2 while the engine is running?  I have
gotten mixed messages about that.  Haven't tried and am starting/charging in
the BOTH position assuming therefore that banks are in parallel and both are
charging.   But, read somewhere that it is bad form to charge different
types of batteries (starter/deep cycle house) this way.

  _  

From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > on behalf of Josh Muckley via
CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:58 PM
To: C&C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay 

 

It's not "smart" it always starts charging the "primary" bank first.  Once
the primary battery is full (ish) it combines the second battery. 

Josh

On Apr 5, 2016 9:50 PM, "John Pennie via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Thanks Gary.  I get that and I suppose it certainly simplifies the wiring -
you essentially have one bank for charging purposes.  No opinion at this
point although I do feel silly having spent the last year dutifully
switching between 1-both -2.  I assume it's just a relay that connects the
circuit at a set voltage.  Not sure how it can be smart enough to determine
which bank to charge first but perhaps they are more than just a relay. 

 

John

 

On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Hi John, 

 I've had ACRs on my boats for the last 15 years and I think they are
one of the best upgrades you can do.  When I bought "Kaylarah" (formerly
"High Maintenance",adding and ACR was one of my first upgrades.  They are
usually wired to charge the house bank first, then the start bank.  If your
start bank was very low, you could could still use a combine switch to get
the engine started.  I have never had a problem with the ACRs and I can't
say the same about a 1-BOTH-2 switch.  All you have to do is forget to
switch to 1 or 2 after you shut the engine off and you can kill both
batteries while sitting on a hook.  That won't happen with and ACR.  I think
you will come to like them.

 

Fair winds,

Gary

S/V Kaylarah

'90 C&C 37+

East Greenwich, RI, USA




~~~_/)~~

 

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:38 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

So while connecting batteries today i discovered, to my surprise, that Paws
has an automatic charging relay between the two battery banks.  Yes, I'm
still learning this boat.  So as I understand it, once voltage hits 13.6
volts (or 13.0 for 2 minutes) the relay will automatically combine the two
banks to share the changing source.  Not sure how I feel about that.

On the plus side, I guess it's great that I don't have to worry about moving
a battery selector switch while the engine is running.  On the down side -

How does a battery charger monitoring two banks handle this?  I just seems
it has to screw up the l

Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I guess it depends on the charger then.  My Pro Mariner 60-12 can do 3
banks at 12v in any combination up to a total of 60amps.  If I was buying a
charger rated for 20 amps I would ensure that it provided 20ams on a single
channel.  The only real reason to have more than one channel is for banks
with different chemistrys.  If same chemistry then you're gonna want a
combiner like an ACR anyway so that you alternator can charge both.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Apr 6, 2016 10:25 AM, "Dreuge via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Not that easy of an answer.
>
> Most dual bank chargers will split the rated current between the two
> banks.   For example, my
> Guest dual 20A charger splits 10A to each isolated bank. But if the banks
> are combined then
> it is effectively becomes a one bank charger delivering 20A.
>
> So disconnecting the second bank reduces your charging capacity by 1/2.
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C 38 Landfall
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:21 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 21:53:40 -0400
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Easy answer, disconnect the second bank from the charger.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

It is safe to switch between 1-ALL-2 as long as everything is working as
designed.  You also have to be very careful not to accidentally overshoot
to the off position.  What isn't safe is turning the ignition switch to off
while the engine is running, or as mentioned turning the batt switch to off
while the engine is running.

The only concern about mixed types of batteries is various chemistries.  A
leaf acid starting battery and a lead acid deap cycle battery are the same
chemistry so you're fine.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Apr 6, 2016 3:48 PM, "Bruce Pope via CnC-List" 
wrote:

>
> Is it safe to switch between 1-BOTH-2 while the engine is running?  I have
> gotten mixed messages about that.  Haven't tried and am starting/charging
> in the BOTH position assuming therefore that banks are in parallel and both
> are charging.   But, read somewhere that it is bad form to charge different
> types of batteries (starter/deep cycle house) this way.
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:58 PM
> *To:* C&C List
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay
>
>
> It's not "smart" it always starts charging the "primary" bank first.  Once
> the primary battery is full (ish) it combines the second battery.
>
> Josh
> On Apr 5, 2016 9:50 PM, "John Pennie via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Gary.  I get that and I suppose it certainly simplifies the wiring
>> - you essentially have one bank for charging purposes.  No opinion at this
>> point although I do feel silly having spent the last year dutifully
>> switching between 1-both -2.  I assume it’s just a relay that connects the
>> circuit at a set voltage.  Not sure how it can be smart enough to determine
>> which bank to charge first but perhaps they are more than just a relay.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>  I've had ACRs on my boats for the last 15 years and I think they are
>> one of the best upgrades you can do.  When I bought "Kaylarah" (formerly
>> "High Maintenance",adding and ACR was one of my first upgrades.  They are
>> usually wired to charge the house bank first, then the start bank.  If your
>> start bank was very low, you could could still use a combine switch to get
>> the engine started.  I have never had a problem with the ACRs and I can't
>> say the same about a 1-BOTH-2 switch.  All you have to do is forget to
>> switch to 1 or 2 after you shut the engine off and you can kill both
>> batteries while sitting on a hook.  That won't happen with and ACR.  I
>> think you will come to like them.
>>
>> Fair winds,
>> Gary
>> S/V Kaylarah
>> '90 C&C 37+
>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>>
>> ~~~_/)~~
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:38 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So while connecting batteries today i discovered, to my surprise, that
>>> Paws has an automatic charging relay between the two battery banks.  Yes,
>>> I’m still learning this boat.  So as I understand it, once voltage hits
>>> 13.6 volts (or 13.0 for 2 minutes) the relay will automatically combine the
>>> two banks to share the changing source.  Not sure how I feel about that.
>>>
>>> On the plus side, I guess it’s great that I don’t have to worry about
>>> moving a battery selector switch while the engine is running.  On the down
>>> side -
>>>
>>> How does a battery charger monitoring two banks handle this?  I just
>>> seems it has to screw up the logic on the charger.
>>> Essentially there is no way to isolate charging?  So if I know I only
>>> have limited time to charge and want to concentrate on one bank I have no
>>> choice?
>>>
>>> What I missing?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
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>>> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All
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Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay

[Bruce Pope via CnC-List]

Is it safe to switch between 1-BOTH-2 while the engine is running?  I have 
gotten mixed messages about that.  Haven't tried and am starting/charging in 
the BOTH position assuming therefore that banks are in parallel and both are 
charging.   But, read somewhere that it is bad form to charge different types 
of batteries (starter/deep cycle house) this way.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Josh Muckley via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:58 PM
To: C&C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay


It's not "smart" it always starts charging the "primary" bank first.  Once the 
primary battery is full (ish) it combines the second battery.

Josh

On Apr 5, 2016 9:50 PM, "John Pennie via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thanks Gary.  I get that and I suppose it certainly simplifies the wiring - you 
essentially have one bank for charging purposes.  No opinion at this point 
although I do feel silly having spent the last year dutifully switching between 
1-both -2.  I assume it's just a relay that connects the circuit at a set 
voltage.  Not sure how it can be smart enough to determine which bank to charge 
first but perhaps they are more than just a relay.

John

On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi John,
 I've had ACRs on my boats for the last 15 years and I think they are one 
of the best upgrades you can do.  When I bought "Kaylarah" (formerly "High 
Maintenance",adding and ACR was one of my first upgrades.  They are usually 
wired to charge the house bank first, then the start bank.  If your start bank 
was very low, you could could still use a combine switch to get the engine 
started.  I have never had a problem with the ACRs and I can't say the same 
about a 1-BOTH-2 switch.  All you have to do is forget to switch to 1 or 2 
after you shut the engine off and you can kill both batteries while sitting on 
a hook.  That won't happen with and ACR.  I think you will come to like them.

Fair winds,
Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:38 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
So while connecting batteries today i discovered, to my surprise, that Paws has 
an automatic charging relay between the two battery banks.  Yes, I'm still 
learning this boat.  So as I understand it, once voltage hits 13.6 volts (or 
13.0 for 2 minutes) the relay will automatically combine the two banks to share 
the changing source.  Not sure how I feel about that.

On the plus side, I guess it's great that I don't have to worry about moving a 
battery selector switch while the engine is running.  On the down side -

How does a battery charger monitoring two banks handle this?  I just seems it 
has to screw up the logic on the charger.
Essentially there is no way to isolate charging?  So if I know I only have 
limited time to charge and want to concentrate on one bank I have no choice?

What I missing?

John


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Re: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Whoops! ... sorry about the digest subject line reply.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:

> Thanks Fred and everyone else who responded.  Yeah, I could just get
> another panel.  I was trying to save some $$.
>
> I found a DPDT switch I think will work at Genuinedealz.com -
> http://www.genuinedealz.com/metal-bat-toggle-switch-dpdt-on-on
>
> I'll add two in-line fuses at the batts to protect the + leads to the
> switch.
>
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 123, Issue 31

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Thanks Fred and everyone else who responded.  Yeah, I could just get
another panel.  I was trying to save some $$.

I found a DPDT switch I think will work at Genuinedealz.com -
http://www.genuinedealz.com/metal-bat-toggle-switch-dpdt-on-on

I'll add two in-line fuses at the batts to protect the + leads to the
switch.

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> ... and only want a penny for every unfused hot lead on boats...
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> Me, too!   :^)
>
> Seriously, you don?t want to connect small-gauge wires to 200-amp-hour
> batteries without protecting the wires: https://tmblr.co/ZcLVlt24UKG7r <
> https://tmblr.co/ZcLVlt24UKG7r>
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> > On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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> > I wish I had a nickel for every time Fred Street said ?fuse??...
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> >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Just make sure to fuse the leads where they attach to the batteries;
> 1-amp ATO fuses should work just fine.  And you really only need a
> single-pole double-throw (SPDT) switch, as you only need to switch the
> positive lead from the panel to the batteries.  The negative sides of the
> two batteries should be tied together along with the engine block.
> >>
> >> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> >> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> >>
> >>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ryan ?
> >>> With the low voltage and amperage you?re dealing with, any double
> pole, double throw (DPDT) toggle switch should work.   Radio Shack (if they
> still exist), or other electronics store will have them.   Maybe a local
> hardware store?
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Re: Stus-List Auto Bilge Pump on RIB

[David via CnC-List]

I have spare parts hanging around that got me thinking and Dinghy box, if I 
remember correctly, was not cheap.

The rocking manual pump needs more motion than my location can manage.

I am thinking a 10 watt panel should be enough and will fit nicely on the 
center seat...

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:54:30 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Auto Bilge Pump on RIB
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: joel.aron...@gmail.com

There is also a manual pump that is supposed to work by using the rocking 
motion of the boat.
Joel
On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
 wrote:
At one time about 10 years ago such a device was marketed just for dinghies.  
It was designed in a plastic box that had a solar panel on top, battery within, 
Nd internal float switch and pump.  I can't remember what is was called, maybe 
dinghy tender or something like that.
Bob

Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer
On Apr 6, 2016, at 1:37 PM, David via CnC-List  wrote:




OK the solar panel discussion has got me going...

I am thinking of putting a auto bilge pump, motorcycle battery and solar panel 
charge in my RIB.

Anyone try it?

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:23:02 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: stevanpla...@gmail.com

You're putting .35 of an amp into those batteries per hour in the best case 
scenario. 
I would be looking to invest in a larger panel rather than a switch. If you 
want to stick to your plan a regular Blue Sea 1/2/all switch will likely do the 
trick.
SteveSuhana, C&C 32Toronto


On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  

  
  
A 6 watt solar panel's real-life
output is so tiny that you could have one of those panels for
each battery and never worry about even coming close to
overcharging anything. 



Bill Bina

  

On 4/6/2016 12:21 PM, Ryan Doyle via
  CnC-List wrote:



  

  Hey everyone, 



  
  I have a small 6 watt Ganz solar panel which does a very
nice job of keeping my starter battery and my house battery
topped up.  The only trouble is, when I want to switch which
battery I'm charging, I have to open the locker, open the
battery box, disconnect the + and - connectors from one
battery and switch them to the other.



  
  My question is - is there some type of A/B switch that
will allow me to just hook + and - from both batteries to it
and select which battery gets the juice from the panel?



  
  This is my solar charger.  It's a really great little
piece of equipment. 


http://www.amazon.com/CBC-GSP-6-Flexible-Solar-Panel/dp/B006GFPF30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459958952&sr=8-1&keywords=ganz+solar

  
  





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Re: Stus-List Auto Bilge Pump on RIB

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

There is also a manual pump that is supposed to work by using the rocking
motion of the boat.

Joel

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> At one time about 10 years ago such a device was marketed just for
> dinghies.  It was designed in a plastic box that had a solar panel on top,
> battery within, Nd internal float switch and pump.  I can't remember what
> is was called, maybe dinghy tender or something like that.
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer
>
> On Apr 6, 2016, at 1:37 PM, David via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> OK the solar panel discussion has got me going...
>
> I am thinking of putting a auto bilge pump, motorcycle battery and solar
> panel charge in my RIB.
>
> Anyone try it?
>
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:23:02 -0400
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: stevanpla...@gmail.com
>
> You're putting .35 of an amp into those batteries per hour in the best
> case scenario.
>
> I would be looking to invest in a larger panel rather than a switch. If
> you want to stick to your plan a regular Blue Sea 1/2/all switch will
> likely do the trick.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> A 6 watt solar panel's real-life output is so tiny that you could have one
> of those panels for each battery and never worry about even coming close to
> overcharging anything.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 4/6/2016 12:21 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I have a small 6 watt Ganz solar panel which does a very nice job of
> keeping my starter battery and my house battery topped up.  The only
> trouble is, when I want to switch which battery I'm charging, I have to
> open the locker, open the battery box, disconnect the + and - connectors
> from one battery and switch them to the other.
>
> My question is - is there some type of A/B switch that will allow me to
> just hook + and - from both batteries to it and select which battery gets
> the juice from the panel?
>
> This is my solar charger.  It's a really great little piece of equipment.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/CBC-GSP-6-Flexible-Solar-Panel/dp/B006GFPF30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459958952&sr=8-1&keywords=ganz+solar
>
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Re: Stus-List Auto Bilge Pump on RIB

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Not yet, but I have been thinking about it and acquiring parts. My 
general idea is a very small capacity setup that can empty the dinghy 
over time while I'm away to save me from doing it manually upon arrival. 
A fishtank sized pump with 1/4 inch tubing would probably do what I'm 
after. I would like to find a small SILENT pump that can run dry without 
harm. I would not bother with a battery or a float switch. It would just 
run for a few hours each day when the sun was up regardless if there was 
anything to pump or not. I found a semiflexible 5 watt panel that fits 
perfectly as a seat cover. The only pump I tried so far was too noisy 
and not durable. I'm thinking I may find something that is used in 
medical equipment.


Bill Bina

On 4/6/2016 1:37 PM, David via CnC-List wrote:

OK the solar panel discussion has got me going...

I am thinking of putting a auto bilge pump, motorcycle battery and 
solar panel charge in my RIB.


Anyone try it?

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



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Re: Stus-List Auto Bilge Pump on RIB

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

At one time about 10 years ago such a device was marketed just for dinghies.  
It was designed in a plastic box that had a solar panel on top, battery within, 
Nd internal float switch and pump.  I can't remember what is was called, maybe 
dinghy tender or something like that.

Bob

Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 1:37 PM, David via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> OK the solar panel discussion has got me going...
> 
> I am thinking of putting a auto bilge pump, motorcycle battery and solar 
> panel charge in my RIB.
> 
> Anyone try it?
> 
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
> 
> 
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:23:02 -0400
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: stevanpla...@gmail.com
> 
> You're putting .35 of an amp into those batteries per hour in the best case 
> scenario. 
> 
> I would be looking to invest in a larger panel rather than a switch. If you 
> want to stick to your plan a regular Blue Sea 1/2/all switch will likely do 
> the trick.
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> A 6 watt solar panel's real-life output is so tiny that you could have one of 
> those panels for each battery and never worry about even coming close to 
> overcharging anything. 
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
> On 4/6/2016 12:21 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote:
> Hey everyone, 
> 
> I have a small 6 watt Ganz solar panel which does a very nice job of keeping 
> my starter battery and my house battery topped up.  The only trouble is, when 
> I want to switch which battery I'm charging, I have to open the locker, open 
> the battery box, disconnect the + and - connectors from one battery and 
> switch them to the other.
> 
> My question is - is there some type of A/B switch that will allow me to just 
> hook + and - from both batteries to it and select which battery gets the 
> juice from the panel?
> 
> This is my solar charger.  It's a really great little piece of equipment. 
> http://www.amazon.com/CBC-GSP-6-Flexible-Solar-Panel/dp/B006GFPF30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459958952&sr=8-1&keywords=ganz+solar
> 
> 
> Ryan
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Re: Stus-List Auto Bilge Pump on RIB

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have an electric pump in my RIB right now, but it is not automatic. The wires 
run up to the dock and I have a little battery to run the pump without having 
to climb down.
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 13:38
To: CNC CNC
Cc: David
Subject: Stus-List Auto Bilge Pump on RIB

OK the solar panel discussion has got me going...

I am thinking of putting a auto bilge pump, motorcycle battery and solar panel 
charge in my RIB.

Anyone try it?

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:23:02 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: stevanpla...@gmail.com
You're putting .35 of an amp into those batteries per hour in the best case 
scenario.

I would be looking to invest in a larger panel rather than a switch. If you 
want to stick to your plan a regular Blue Sea 1/2/all switch will likely do the 
trick.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
A 6 watt solar panel's real-life output is so tiny that you could have one of 
those panels for each battery and never worry about even coming close to 
overcharging anything.

Bill Bina

On 4/6/2016 12:21 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote:
Hey everyone,
I have a small 6 watt Ganz solar panel which does a very nice job of keeping my 
starter battery and my house battery topped up.  The only trouble is, when I 
want to switch which battery I'm charging, I have to open the locker, open the 
battery box, disconnect the + and - connectors from one battery and switch them 
to the other.
My question is - is there some type of A/B switch that will allow me to just 
hook + and - from both batteries to it and select which battery gets the juice 
from the panel?
This is my solar charger.  It's a really great little piece of equipment.
http://www.amazon.com/CBC-GSP-6-Flexible-Solar-Panel/dp/B006GFPF30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459958952&sr=8-1&keywords=ganz+solar


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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I was going to say this - just get another panel.
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 12:32
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Bina - gmail
Subject: Re: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch

A 6 watt solar panel's real-life output is so tiny that you could have one of 
those panels for each battery and never worry about even coming close to 
overcharging anything.

Bill Bina
On 4/6/2016 12:21 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote:
Hey everyone,
I have a small 6 watt Ganz solar panel which does a very nice job of keeping my 
starter battery and my house battery topped up.  The only trouble is, when I 
want to switch which battery I'm charging, I have to open the locker, open the 
battery box, disconnect the + and - connectors from one battery and switch them 
to the other.
My question is - is there some type of A/B switch that will allow me to just 
hook + and - from both batteries to it and select which battery gets the juice 
from the panel?
This is my solar charger.  It's a really great little piece of equipment.
http://www.amazon.com/CBC-GSP-6-Flexible-Solar-Panel/dp/B006GFPF30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459958952&sr=8-1&keywords=ganz+solar


Ryan


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Re: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Me, too!   :^)

Seriously, you don’t want to connect small-gauge wires to 200-amp-hour 
batteries without protecting the wires: https://tmblr.co/ZcLVlt24UKG7r 



Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wish I had a nickel for every time Fred Street said “fuse”…...
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just make sure to fuse the leads where they attach to the batteries; 1-amp 
>> ATO fuses should work just fine.  And you really only need a single-pole 
>> double-throw (SPDT) switch, as you only need to switch the positive lead 
>> from the panel to the batteries.  The negative sides of the two batteries 
>> should be tied together along with the engine block.
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
>>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ryan – 
>>> With the low voltage and amperage you’re dealing with, any double pole, 
>>> double throw (DPDT) toggle switch should work.   Radio Shack (if they still 
>>> exist), or other electronics store will have them.   Maybe a local hardware 
>>> store?  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
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Stus-List Auto Bilge Pump on RIB

[David via CnC-List]

OK the solar panel discussion has got me going...

I am thinking of putting a auto bilge pump, motorcycle battery and solar panel 
charge in my RIB.

Anyone try it?

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:23:02 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: stevanpla...@gmail.com

You're putting .35 of an amp into those batteries per hour in the best case 
scenario. 
I would be looking to invest in a larger panel rather than a switch. If you 
want to stick to your plan a regular Blue Sea 1/2/all switch will likely do the 
trick.
SteveSuhana, C&C 32Toronto


On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  

  
  
A 6 watt solar panel's real-life
output is so tiny that you could have one of those panels for
each battery and never worry about even coming close to
overcharging anything. 



Bill Bina

  

On 4/6/2016 12:21 PM, Ryan Doyle via
  CnC-List wrote:



  

  Hey everyone, 



  
  I have a small 6 watt Ganz solar panel which does a very
nice job of keeping my starter battery and my house battery
topped up.  The only trouble is, when I want to switch which
battery I'm charging, I have to open the locker, open the
battery box, disconnect the + and - connectors from one
battery and switch them to the other.



  
  My question is - is there some type of A/B switch that
will allow me to just hook + and - from both batteries to it
and select which battery gets the juice from the panel?



  
  This is my solar charger.  It's a really great little
piece of equipment. 


http://www.amazon.com/CBC-GSP-6-Flexible-Solar-Panel/dp/B006GFPF30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459958952&sr=8-1&keywords=ganz+solar

  
  





Ryan

  
  




  


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Re: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch

[Don Harben via CnC-List]

... and only want a penny for every unfused hot lead on boats...

I would then being be able to buy my dream craft named  FRED FUSE

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Re: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

I wish I had a nickel for every time Fred Street said “fuse”…...

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
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C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
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> On Apr 6, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just make sure to fuse the leads where they attach to the batteries; 1-amp 
> ATO fuses should work just fine.  And you really only need a single-pole 
> double-throw (SPDT) switch, as you only need to switch the positive lead from 
> the panel to the batteries.  The negative sides of the two batteries should 
> be tied together along with the engine block.
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ryan – 
>> With the low voltage and amperage you’re dealing with, any double pole, 
>> double throw (DPDT) toggle switch should work.   Radio Shack (if they still 
>> exist), or other electronics store will have them.   Maybe a local hardware 
>> store?  
>>  
>>  
>>  
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Re: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Just make sure to fuse the leads where they attach to the batteries; 1-amp ATO 
fuses should work just fine.  And you really only need a single-pole 
double-throw (SPDT) switch, as you only need to switch the positive lead from 
the panel to the batteries.  The negative sides of the two batteries should be 
tied together along with the engine block.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ryan – 
> With the low voltage and amperage you’re dealing with, any double pole, 
> double throw (DPDT) toggle switch should work.   Radio Shack (if they still 
> exist), or other electronics store will have them.   Maybe a local hardware 
> store?  
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 11:22 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Ryan Doyle
> Subject: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch
>  
> Hey everyone, 
> 
> I have a small 6 watt Ganz solar panel which does a very nice job of keeping 
> my starter battery and my house battery topped up.  The only trouble is, when 
> I want to switch which battery I'm charging, I have to open the locker, open 
> the battery box, disconnect the + and - connectors from one battery and 
> switch them to the other.
> 
> My question is - is there some type of A/B switch that will allow me to just 
> hook + and - from both batteries to it and select which battery gets the 
> juice from the panel?
> 
> This is my solar charger.  It's a really great little piece of equipment. 
> http://www.amazon.com/CBC-GSP-6-Flexible-Solar-Panel/dp/B006GFPF30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459958952&sr=8-1&keywords=ganz+solar
>  
> 
>  
>  
> Ryan

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Re: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

You're putting .35 of an amp into those batteries per hour in the best case
scenario.

I would be looking to invest in a larger panel rather than a switch. If you
want to stick to your plan a regular Blue Sea 1/2/all switch will likely do
the trick.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A 6 watt solar panel's real-life output is so tiny that you could have one
> of those panels for each battery and never worry about even coming close to
> overcharging anything.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 4/6/2016 12:21 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I have a small 6 watt Ganz solar panel which does a very nice job of
> keeping my starter battery and my house battery topped up.  The only
> trouble is, when I want to switch which battery I'm charging, I have to
> open the locker, open the battery box, disconnect the + and - connectors
> from one battery and switch them to the other.
>
> My question is - is there some type of A/B switch that will allow me to
> just hook + and - from both batteries to it and select which battery gets
> the juice from the panel?
>
> This is my solar charger.  It's a really great little piece of equipment.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/CBC-GSP-6-Flexible-Solar-Panel/dp/B006GFPF30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459958952&sr=8-1&keywords=ganz+solar
>
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Ryan – 

With the low voltage and amperage you’re dealing with, any double pole, double 
throw (DPDT) toggle switch should work.   Radio Shack (if they still exist), or 
other electronics store will have them.   Maybe a local hardware store?  

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 11:22 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch

 

Hey everyone, 

I have a small 6 watt Ganz solar panel which does a very nice job of keeping my 
starter battery and my house battery topped up.  The only trouble is, when I 
want to switch which battery I'm charging, I have to open the locker, open the 
battery box, disconnect the + and - connectors from one battery and switch them 
to the other.

My question is - is there some type of A/B switch that will allow me to just 
hook + and - from both batteries to it and select which battery gets the juice 
from the panel?

This is my solar charger.  It's a really great little piece of equipment. 
http://www.amazon.com/CBC-GSP-6-Flexible-Solar-Panel/dp/B006GFPF30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8
 

 &qid=1459958952&sr=8-1&keywords=ganz+solar

 

 

Ryan

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Re: Stus-List Solar charger selector switch

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

A 6 watt solar panel's real-life output is so tiny that you could have 
one of those panels for each battery and never worry about even coming 
close to overcharging anything.


Bill Bina

On 4/6/2016 12:21 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote:

Hey everyone,

I have a small 6 watt Ganz solar panel which does a very nice job of 
keeping my starter battery and my house battery topped up.  The only 
trouble is, when I want to switch which battery I'm charging, I have 
to open the locker, open the battery box, disconnect the + and - 
connectors from one battery and switch them to the other.


My question is - is there some type of A/B switch that will allow me 
to just hook + and - from both batteries to it and select which 
battery gets the juice from the panel?


This is my solar charger.  It's a really great little piece of equipment.
http://www.amazon.com/CBC-GSP-6-Flexible-Solar-Panel/dp/B006GFPF30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459958952&sr=8-1&keywords=ganz+solar


Ryan



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Stus-List Solar charger selector switch

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Hey everyone,

I have a small 6 watt Ganz solar panel which does a very nice job of
keeping my starter battery and my house battery topped up.  The only
trouble is, when I want to switch which battery I'm charging, I have to
open the locker, open the battery box, disconnect the + and - connectors
from one battery and switch them to the other.

My question is - is there some type of A/B switch that will allow me to
just hook + and - from both batteries to it and select which battery gets
the juice from the panel?

This is my solar charger.  It's a really great little piece of equipment.
http://www.amazon.com/CBC-GSP-6-Flexible-Solar-Panel/dp/B006GFPF30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459958952&sr=8-1&keywords=ganz+solar


Ryan
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Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Not that easy of an answer.  

Most dual bank chargers will split the rated current between the two banks.   
For example, my 
Guest dual 20A charger splits 10A to each isolated bank. But if the banks are 
combined then 
it is effectively becomes a one bank charger delivering 20A.   

So disconnecting the second bank reduces your charging capacity by 1/2.   


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:21 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 21:53:40 -0400
> From: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
> To: "C&C List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Automatic Charging Relay
> Message-ID:
>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Easy answer, disconnect the second bank from the charger.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD

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Re: Stus-List Ball Caps

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Stu,

 

www.CafePress.com and www.Zazzle.com seem to allow creation of a logo items
that can be sold and part of the sale proceeds go to the creator of the
item.  I'd be willing to create items for sale with the proceeds going
directly to the list.  This way, listers could purchase one (or more) caps
or tee shirts (many other items are also available).  I'd need the artwork
for the logo and would submit the items to you for your OK.  

 

What do you think?

 

Regards,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu via
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 8:20 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stu
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ball Caps

 

And I have a legally signed letter giving me use of the logo for profit.

 

Stu 

 
 

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Re: Stus-List Ball Caps

[Stu via CnC-List]

And I have a legally signed letter giving me use of the logo for profit.

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Re: Stus-List Ball Caps

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Copyright and trademark holder retains COMPLETE control of all, or any, 
use. Fair use merely allows you to include short excerpts of copyrighted 
works or mention of trademarks in a review, or similar. Whether you use 
the trademark or copyrighted material for profit or not makes absolutely 
no difference. You cannot legally even use copyrighted material or 
trademarks for home-made items for your own exclusive use.


Bill Bina

On 4/5/2016 11:27 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:


Sorry it's called "fair use".  Your use can't be profitable, can't 
diminish value (defame), and can't diminish profit (steal customers).


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

Josh

On Apr 5, 2016 11:17 PM, "Josh Muckley" > wrote:


As long as you are not profiting from the sale of the logo you can
use and make the logos on anything and pretty much anywhere.  I'm
pretty sure its referred to as "free use".

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD




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