Re: Stus-List A4 Slips Out of Gear

[Douglas Mountjoy via CnC-List]

Michael, 
All ATF is wet clutch friendly, automatic transmissions all have wet clutches 
and bands. Not all wet clutch/band material is ATF friendly. Paragon and 
motorcycles use engine oil.  Due to the fact that their clutch material is 
designed for use in motor oil not ATF. On the same thought some clutch material 
is designed for Dextron (type A) and some is designed for type F (Ford). 
If your transmission says ATF type A, Use it and nothing else or you will be 
buying a new transmission. 

Doug Mountjoy
SvPegasus
LF38

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> On Sep 4, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Hurth transmission also has a wet clutch similar to the Paragon.
> Some ATF is wet clutch friendly and acts as a basic lubricant, so using
> it as recommended by the manufacturer is fine.
> 
> ATF is a hydraulic fluid with antifoaming properties, doesn't hurt but
> not applicable in this application.
> 
> I would guess that wet clutch motorcycle oil would also work well,
> though no idea if there might be some issue with seals. The oil has
> detergent properties and such that are not applicable in this application.
> 
> The cling / film, antirusting and water handling properties of ATF is
> different from oil. It may be that a storage recommendation
> is to fill the transmission with ATF, and drain it back to the proper
> level when going into service.
> 
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
> 
> Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2016 09:53:18 -0400 
> From: Eric Frank  
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> 
> Not directly related to A4?s, but about transmissions.  My Perkins diesel has 
> a Hurth (HBW-50 -2R) transmission, and the PO recommended using type A 
> automatic transmission fluid.  That?s what I have been using, but this 
> discussion has listed motorcycle oil for the transmissions in A4?s.  Am I 
> using the proper fluid? - everything seems to be running fine. 
> Eric Frank 
> Cat's Paw 
> C 35 Mk II 
> Mattapoisett, MA 
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Re: Stus-List Hurth HBW 50-2R oil (was: A4 Slips Out of Gear)

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Michael,

 

It says specifically to use ATF fluid _and not motor oil_ (see the picture 
here: https://1drv.ms/i/s!At7BtDHoAfRtnVCbbR3Crxiag1vP). This applies not only 
to storage, but also to running it.

 

Some other transmissions use motor oil, but not this one.

 

Marek

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
Brown via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 19:58
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Michael Brown 
Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Slips Out of Gear

 

The Hurth transmission also has a wet clutch similar to the Paragon.
Some ATF is wet clutch friendly and acts as a basic lubricant, so using
it as recommended by the manufacturer is fine.

ATF is a hydraulic fluid with antifoaming properties, doesn't hurt but
not applicable in this application.

I would guess that wet clutch motorcycle oil would also work well,
though no idea if there might be some issue with seals. The oil has
detergent properties and such that are not applicable in this application.

The cling / film, antirusting and water handling properties of ATF is
different from oil. It may be that a storage recommendation
is to fill the transmission with ATF, and drain it back to the proper
level when going into service.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1

Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2016 09:53:18 -0400 
From: Eric Frank  > 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   

 

Not directly related to A4?s, but about transmissions.  My Perkins diesel has a 
Hurth (HBW-50 -2R) transmission, and the PO recommended using type A automatic 
transmission fluid.  That?s what I have been using, but this discussion has 
listed motorcycle oil for the transmissions in A4?s.  Am I using the proper 
fluid? - everything seems to be running fine. 
Eric Frank 
Cat's Paw 
C 35 Mk II 
Mattapoisett, MA 

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Re: Stus-List Loud Yanmar 2gm - like open exhaust?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Jake - thanks for the post, this is more or less exactly what I did after I
read the shop manual and looked at the engine.   Its good that your
response will reside in the archives.   The hose size required is 5/8" ID.

Dave




Dave,

The mixing elbow is a common culprit.  Removing and cleaning it is always a
good idea.  While you have the injection hose off, run the engine to check
for water flow (point it into a quart jar or something like a milk jug).
You should see a regular stream of water.  If the water flow is
insufficient, the problem is further upstream in the heat exchanger, hoses,
or the water pump.  I'm assuming you cleaned out the strainer.

Lastly, make sure the thru-hull is clear also.  The intake for the engine
cooling is rather small.  I pull the hose of the intake side of the raw
water pump.  It should flow freely.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
C 35 Mk-III "Midnight Mistress"
Hampton VA
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Re: Stus-List Loud Yanmar 2gm - now mixing elbow

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Thanks all for the input.  Back at home off my singlehanded mini-cruise,
and am pleased to say that the mixing elbow is not an immediate problem,
and that it and the heat exchanger can be dealt with over the winter.   The
water pump belt was slipping, but for only a few minutes on startup, with
revs and maybe some built-up heat it would work fine.  It worked fine all
season, then began to misbehave.  I had set the tension loose and figured
it was OK, since it worked.

Learned something useful - that you can hear when your cooling system
fails.

Also, in investigating this, I noticed two issues in the related bits and
pieces that I felt were worth writing up.  -
1)  a corroded screw that could cause a cooling system failure
2)  Stupidly located 33-2 system components that create maintenance and
possibly operational problems.   (easily relocated in 10 minutes at no
cost, but hadn't occurred to me before to do it)
Post and phots here:

http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/

Dave - Windstar - 33-2
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Re: Stus-List EV 200

[G Collins via CnC-List]

Hi Adam

Re-run the dockside setup?  During the setup it should go both ways.

And one thing I found with the sensor puck for the EV200 is that they 
are sensitive to magnetic fields nearby - my wife put her bag with a 
tablet in it adjacent to where it is installed, the heading shifted 
maybe 5 degrees.

Failing that you could always contact Raymarine...  :-)

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11
Halifax, NS

On 2016-09-04 3:27 PM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List wrote:
> Hello all
>
> I have the new EV 200 which a wheel drive for the sailboat.  I have done the 
> installation and they system seems to be working however the wheel does not 
> seem to come back to starboard and the boat ends up off course.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> As a side note I installed the Control head beside the companion way as that 
> is where the existing control head was.   Also it's nice to get out the the 
> rain or of up here off of Nova Scotia.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List A4 Slips Out of Gear

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Eric, Hurth recommends ATF fluid. There should  be a little plaque on the 
transmission to that effect. They even warn not to use motor oil.
I happen to have the same combination  (Perkins (M20) and Hurth 50) in my boat. 
When you change that oil keep in mind that it takes very little of it (0.75 l 
if I remember correctly).
Marek 1994 C270 "Legato "Ottawa, ON
Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network.

 Original message 
From: Eric Frank via CnC-List  
Date: 9/4/16  09:54  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Eric Frank  
Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Slips Out of Gear 

Not directly related to A4’s, but about transmissions.  My Perkins diesel has a 
Hurth (HBW-50 -2R) transmission, and the PO recommended using type A automatic 
transmission fluid.  That’s what I have been using, but this discussion has 
listed motorcycle oil for the transmissions in A4’s.  Am I using the proper 
fluid? - everything seems to be running fine.
Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA

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Re: Stus-List Raymarine rudder angle indicator

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

You are correct!  Thanks

Joel

On Friday, August 26, 2016, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You should be able to center up in the setup menu of the pilot; but having
> the rod centered helps.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
> My indicator is off by  8 degrees. Is there a software adjustment or do I
> need to adjust the length of the connecting rod ?
>
> Joel
>
>
> --
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Stus-List EV 200

[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

Hello all

I have the new EV 200 which a wheel drive for the sailboat.  I have done the 
installation and they system seems to be working however the wheel does not 
seem to come back to starboard and the boat ends up off course.  

Any suggestions would be appreciated.   

As a side note I installed the Control head beside the companion way as that is 
where the existing control head was.   Also it's nice to get out the the rain 
or of up here off of Nova Scotia.   





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Re: Stus-List List of 30-1s

[Charles Nelson via CnC-List]

At one time, it was owned by a retired USMC Harrior pilot who I knew as Fitz, I 
think after his last name Fitzgerald? He kept it at Hancock Creek YC on Cherry 
Point MCAS.

FWIW,

Charlie Nelson

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> On Aug 21, 2016, at 10:09 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Sayuri used to be in a lot of the “fun” races, like the Oriental Cup and 
> Dragon’s Breath, in the Oriental area. I think it belonged to a couple named 
> Tom and Stacy, seem to recall they kept the boat in Minesott Beach, and that 
> they were in NYRA. Maybe Charlie Nelson knows who owns the boat.
>  
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jtsails 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 8:46 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: jtsails 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List List of 30-1s
>  
> I looked around my marina and we have a 30-1 named “Sayuri”, 1973 number 135. 
> I don’t know who owns it, never seen anyone on it, but it’s at the opposite 
> end of the marina from me.
> James
> Delaney
> C 38 mk 2
> Oriental, NC
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Re: Stus-List Garmin GMI10 Instrument

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Gary
That's from voltage drop

Joel

On Sunday, September 4, 2016, gnylander--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Had you started the engine when this happened? I found that my Garmin GPS
> shuts off when I start the engine (on both boats).
>
> Gary
> Maryland
>
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 13:23:47 +
>  Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List  wrote:
>
>> My GMI10 started to randomly shut off.  I can power it back on using the
>> power button. Not sure what to check. Power supply looks good. Other
>> instruments are functioning OK. Any suggestions on what to check?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Aaron R.
>> Admiral Maggie,
>> 1979 C 30 MK1 #540
>> Annapolis, MD
>>
>
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Re: Stus-List Garmin GMI10 Instrument

[gnylander--- via CnC-List]

Had you started the engine when this happened? I found 
that my Garmin GPS shuts off when I start the engine (on 
both boats).


Gary
Maryland

On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 13:23:47 +
 Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List  wrote:
My GMI10 started to randomly shut off.  I can power it 
back on using the power button. Not sure what to check. 
Power supply looks good. Other instruments are 
functioning OK. Any suggestions on what to check?


Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD



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Re: Stus-List List of 30-1s

[Wally Kowal via CnC-List]

Whistler II built 6/73 hull #190 (it's "Whistler II" because Stu already had 
"Whistler")
On the hard in Penetanguishene, ON
We're probably going to sell her next year.  Structurally and mechanically 
sound but looking a bit worse for wear.  My son is re-building the Atomic IV 
this fall for his advanced automotive shop class term project.
Wally Kowal


  From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
 Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:25 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List List of 30-1s
   
Wild Cheri was built in 4/73 and is hull number 166.RonSTL


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 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
Cc: Nate Flesness 
 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 2:11 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List List of 30-1s
  
Sarah Jean (1980 30-1) is hull number 602.
Nate
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Re: Stus-List A4 Slips Out of Gear

[svpegasus38]

Do not chane to a different type of oil unless recommended by Hurth. The 
clutches and bearings are designed to use a certian type of lubricant. Using 
the wrong stuff can cause the bearings and or clutches to fail prematurely. 

Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 #4just west of Ballard, WA.

-- Original message--From: Eric Frank via CnC-List Date: Sun, Sep 4, 
2016 06:54To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Eric Frank;Subject:Re: Stus-List A4 
Slips Out of Gear
Not directly related to A4’s, but about transmissions.  My Perkins diesel has a 
Hurth (HBW-50 -2R) transmission, and the PO recommended using type A automatic 
transmission fluid.  That’s what I have been using, but this discussion has 
listed motorcycle oil for the transmissions in A4’s.  Am I using the proper 
fluid? - everything seems to be running fine.
Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA


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Re: Stus-List A4 Slips Out of Gear

[Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List]

Hi,  Those are different, Atomic ( and most motorcycles ) share same oil for 
engine and transmission. ATF type A is the standard automatic transmission 
fluid, ATF type F is for Ford transmissions, so stick to ATF Type A fluid.Many 
manual transmissions/differentials also requires Hypoid oil ( grade between 70 
and 90 ), but you should go with what's recommended by the manufacturer..
SylvainC

  From: Eric Frank via CnC-List 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Eric Frank 
 Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 9:53 AM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Slips Out of Gear
   
Not directly related to A4’s, but about transmissions.  My Perkins diesel has a 
Hurth (HBW-50 -2R) transmission, and the PO recommended using type A automatic 
transmission fluid.  That’s what I have been using, but this discussion has 
listed motorcycle oil for the transmissions in A4’s.  Am I using the proper 
fluid? - everything seems to be running fine.
Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA

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Re: Stus-List A4 Slips Out of Gear

[Eric Frank via CnC-List]

Not directly related to A4’s, but about transmissions.  My Perkins diesel has a 
Hurth (HBW-50 -2R) transmission, and the PO recommended using type A automatic 
transmission fluid.  That’s what I have been using, but this discussion has 
listed motorcycle oil for the transmissions in A4’s.  Am I using the proper 
fluid? - everything seems to be running fine.
Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA

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Re: Stus-List Loud Yanmar 2gm - like open exhaust?

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Dave,

The mixing elbow is a common culprit.  Removing and cleaning it is always a
good idea.  While you have the injection hose off, run the engine to check
for water flow (point it into a quart jar or something like a milk jug).
You should see a regular stream of water.  If the water flow is
insufficient, the problem is further upstream in the heat exchanger, hoses,
or the water pump.  I'm assuming you cleaned out the strainer.  

Lastly, make sure the thru-hull is clear also.  The intake for the engine
cooling is rather small.  I pull the hose of the intake side of the raw
water pump.  It should flow freely.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
C 35 Mk-III "Midnight Mistress"
Hampton VA



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Syerdave--- via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2016 20:37
To: C Stus List 
Cc: syerd...@gmail.com
Subject: Stus-List Loud Yanmar 2gm - like open exhaust?

This just started happening this weekend.  When first started and idling the
exhaust is noisy - like an open exhaust, maybe no water.  Run it for a bit
at higher rpm, and suddenly it quiets down and sounds normal.  Next cold
start, same thing.  Did a quick check of the raw water strainer underway,
and there was some stuff in there, but water was being sucked through.
Is the mixing elbow clogging?Haven't had that off yet...  Thanks all!

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Re: Stus-List Loud Yanmar 2gm - like open exhaust?

[Syerdave--- via CnC-List]

Thanks gentlemen.  Trouble a' brewin'.

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 19:39:45 -0700
From: Jim Watts 
To: 1 CnC List 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Loud Yanmar 2gm - like open exhaust?
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Definitely low or no water flow. Drilling out the water injection elbow
that connects to the exhaust elbow might buy you some time.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 3 September 2016 at 18:19, svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sounds like a partially plugged mixing elbow, or maybe something blocking
> thr raw water someplace. Could also be a bad impeller.
> 
> 
> Doug Mountjoy
> 
> svPegasus
> 
> LF38 #4
> 
> just west of Ballard, WA.
> 
> 
> 
> -- Original message--
> 
> *From: *Syerdave--- via CnC-List
> 
> *Date: *Sat, Sep 3, 2016 17:37
> 
> *To: *C Stus List;
> 
> *Cc: *syerd...@gmail.com;
> 
> *Subject:*Stus-List Loud Yanmar 2gm - like open exhaust?
> 
> 
> This just started happening this weekend.  When first started and idling the 
> exhaust is noisy - like an open exhaust, maybe no water.  Run it for a bit at 
> higher rpm, and suddenly it quiets down and sounds normal.  Next cold start, 
> same thing.  Did a quick check of the raw water strainer underway,  and there 
> was some stuff in there, but water was being sucked through. Is the 
> mixing elbow clogging?Haven't had that off yet...  Thanks 
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