Re: Stus-List C 36R

[Robert Mazza via CnC-List]

Johnny,

I think I've seen her drawings in the C archives at the Marine Museum of
the Great Lakes at Kingston. If you contact Doug Cowie, Marine Museum
Manager, through their website, you might be able to get copies of them.

Rob Mazza



On Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 10:40 PM J Roger via CnC-List, 
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> Just wondering if anybody in the Great Lakes knows/knew of a lovely beast
> named Caliente in Lake Huron..a C Formerly Glory Bea III me thinks
> and perhaps she had another name?
> The boat had a refit a while back and is still solid but her sails are
> ancient and I would like to glean some sail-plan and beer can wisdom. The
> old girl is an absolute joy to sail and brings many happy smiles.
>
> Much Obliged.
>
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[J Roger via CnC-List]

Just wondering if anybody in the Great Lakes knows/knew of a lovely beast
named Caliente in Lake Huron..a C Formerly Glory Bea III me thinks
and perhaps she had another name?
The boat had a refit a while back and is still solid but her sails are
ancient and I would like to glean some sail-plan and beer can wisdom. The
old girl is an absolute joy to sail and brings many happy smiles.

Much Obliged.

Johnny
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Re: Stus-List Contents of CnC-List Digest, Vol 153, Issue 139

[Dennis Shaw Account via CnC-List]

I have had good luck with this over the years.   Search for Matrix Racing 
Concepts M51 Gas Funnel M51 100 on ebay.



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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank Urban myths?

[schiller via CnC-List]

Paul,

I spent a lot of time in your neck of the woods in the early 80's while 
working on the Paveway III Laser Guided Bomb.  The Air Force was adamant 
that we make our shipping containers have pressure relief valves (burp 
valves).  We took empty shipping containers (Hellfire shipping 
containers) and put them in the parking lot of Eglin AFB Building 999 
for a month in the summer.  At the end of the month, we open the 
containers up and poured the water out. Every afternoon the containers 
would heat up enough to open the burp valve to equalize the pressure.  
In the evening, as the container cooled, the valve would reopen and suck 
in the nice cool, humid air that would condense in the container.  There 
was about a half an inch of water in the container after a month.


The Army lost a bunch of Hellfire missiles during Desert Storm after 
shipping them on an open deck.  When they got to Kuwait, they were full 
of water.


I fill my tank just before haul out.  There is a little fuel used to 
change oil, get to the haul out well and for winterizing.  I have never 
had the tank overflow during storage.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 10/25/2018 5:33 PM, Dreuge via CnC-List wrote:
I’m not in total disagreement, but the urban myth may be more of a 
Great White North myth. In that, when it gets cold out it stays cold 
until spring.  But otherwise, when it get cold at night and warms up 
in the day, it best to keep the tank either full or empty.


The reason is that a metal tank with some liquid will dehumidify the 
air inside (and outside) the tank during the daytime when ambient air 
starts to warm relative to the night time lows.  Think about a tank 
half full after a cold night.  The cold fuel is a big heat sink and 
will keep the tank fuel and metal container much colder than the 
warming daytime air.  Warming air + cold metal surface = condensation, 
i.e. cold sweat.  A full tank has less condensing surface and less air 
inside.  An empty Aluminum tank will warm and cool with ambient air so 
there will be little if any condensation.  I guess one could close up 
the tank (i.e. close of breather line) to try to eliminate the 
reoccurring condensation, but that’s likely not as easy as it sounds 
(and end up being a bigger PITA than filling the tank).


With any luck, Global Warming will rid the Canadians of some urban myths….

-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 19:41:45 +
From: Marek Dziedzic >
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Consider not adding the fuel.

This is an urban myth that the condensation would add a lot of water 
to the fuel. The water in the fuel tank comes usually from the 
leaking fill hose cover. If you don?t believe it, do some 
calculations (;-).


Depending how much you motor, if you keep topping up the tank, you 
may end up with a lot of old fuel in the tank.


Many marinas don?t allow the topping up, because if you do it now, 
the fuel will expand in the spring and it would leak through the vent.


of course, your boat, your choice.

Marek
Ottawa, ON




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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[David E Spiro via CnC-List]

For filling the tank from a jerry can without a lot of mess, have you tried
using a siphon hose with a jigger valve?  I'm not sure why more people don't
use them.  They're available all over (I got some from Amazon), and work
like a charm.

It's simply a hose with a ball valve on one end. Put the end in the jerry
can higher than the end in the fuel tank.  You "jigger" it up and down until
the fuel starts flowing, and squeeze it to stop the flow.

David Spiro
SV Hidden Hand
City Island


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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank Urban myths?

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

I’m not in total disagreement, but the urban myth may be more of a Great White 
North myth. In that, when it gets cold out it stays cold until spring.  But 
otherwise, when it get cold at night and warms up in the day, it best to keep 
the tank either full or empty.   

The reason is that a metal tank with some liquid will dehumidify the air inside 
(and outside) the tank during the daytime when ambient air starts to warm 
relative to the night time lows.  Think about a tank half full after a cold 
night.  The cold fuel is a big heat sink and will keep the tank fuel and metal 
container much colder than the warming daytime air.  Warming air + cold metal 
surface = condensation, i.e. cold sweat.  A full tank has less condensing 
surface and less air inside.  An empty Aluminum tank will warm and cool with 
ambient air so there will be little if any condensation.  I guess one could 
close up the tank (i.e. close of breather line) to try to eliminate the 
reoccurring condensation, but that’s likely not as easy as it sounds (and end 
up being a bigger PITA than filling the tank).

With any luck, Global Warming will rid the Canadians of some urban myths….

-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 19:41:45 +
> From: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>>
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com " 
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> Consider not adding the fuel.
> 
> This is an urban myth that the condensation would add a lot of water to the 
> fuel. The water in the fuel tank comes usually from the leaking fill hose 
> cover. If you don?t believe it, do some calculations (;-).
> 
> Depending how much you motor, if you keep topping up the tank, you may end up 
> with a lot of old fuel in the tank.
> 
> Many marinas don?t allow the topping up, because if you do it now, the fuel 
> will expand in the spring and it would leak through the vent.
> 
> of course, your boat, your choice.
> 
> Marek
> Ottawa, ON

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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Correction: the EZ-Pour nozzle shown on the packaging is what I use, not the 
solid base cap (obviously).

From: Dreuge via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Dreuge 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

Hi,

Like many have pointed out, the shaker siphon is great.   You only need to try 
it once to be convinced.  This is especially true filling up offshore.  As for 
water eliminating funnels, like a Mr Funnel, don’t use them at the boat, use 
them at the pump. That way you get the best of both.

I also recommend tossing out standard filler caps, new and old, that come with 
diesel cans.   These filler caps are not only a PITA to use, they are weak and 
will starting leaking sooner rather than later.I use EZ-Pour solid base 
caps.  A fuel jug will break or split a seam before it leaks from these caps.  
At about $4 a cap, there is no reason not purchase a few.  Here is a link below:


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NB3UUDK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8=1


-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/


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  Message: 5
  Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:32:28 -0400
  From: David Knecht 
  To: CnC CnC discussion list 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank
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  I really like the idea of the siphon hose with the shaker pump on the end as 
it is something small and simple that I can keep on the boat with the funnel 
and should be very clean to operate.  I like using a funnel with a water 
excluding filter, which eliminates some of the suggestions.  I have ordered one 
of the Amazon variety of siphon hoses and will report back when I try it out.  
Thanks to all for the suggestions!   Dave

  S/V Aries
  1990 C 34+
  New London, CT






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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

That is the filler hose I described in my earlier post.  Although the more 
elaborate methods for pouring diesel into the deck fill are all good ideas, if 
you just put your finger over the end of the hose, guide the hose into the deck 
fill, then turn the container on its side while the hose goes in further, it’s 
a simple method that works fine – and all I need is the container itself.  I 
only use this method at the dock and would not do so underway.

From: Dreuge via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Dreuge 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

Hi,

Like many have pointed out, the shaker siphon is great.   You only need to try 
it once to be convinced.  This is especially true filling up offshore.  As for 
water eliminating funnels, like a Mr Funnel, don’t use them at the boat, use 
them at the pump. That way you get the best of both.

I also recommend tossing out standard filler caps, new and old, that come with 
diesel cans.   These filler caps are not only a PITA to use, they are weak and 
will starting leaking sooner rather than later.I use EZ-Pour solid base 
caps.  A fuel jug will break or split a seam before it leaks from these caps.  
At about $4 a cap, there is no reason not purchase a few.  Here is a link below:


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NB3UUDK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8=1


-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL
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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Hi,

Like many have pointed out, the shaker siphon is great.   You only need to try 
it once to be convinced.  This is especially true filling up offshore.  As for 
water eliminating funnels, like a Mr Funnel, don’t use them at the boat, use 
them at the pump. That way you get the best of both.

I also recommend tossing out standard filler caps, new and old, that come with 
diesel cans.   These filler caps are not only a PITA to use, they are weak and 
will starting leaking sooner rather than later.I use EZ-Pour solid base 
caps.  A fuel jug will break or split a seam before it leaks from these caps.  
At about $4 a cap, there is no reason not purchase a few.  Here is a link below:


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NB3UUDK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8=1


-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Oct 25, 2018, at 3:33 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:32:28 -0400
> From: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>
> To: CnC CnC discussion list  >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank
> Message-ID:  >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I really like the idea of the siphon hose with the shaker pump on the end as 
> it is something small and simple that I can keep on the boat with the funnel 
> and should be very clean to operate.  I like using a funnel with a water 
> excluding filter, which eliminates some of the suggestions.  I have ordered 
> one of the Amazon variety of siphon hoses and will report back when I try it 
> out.  Thanks to all for the suggestions!   Dave
> 
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[schiller via CnC-List]

I use this method to siphon gas from 5 gallon cans into my tractors.  I 
use a clear 1/2" tygon tube for the fuel transfer and a piece of 1/4" 
line to pressurize.  I can drain the full can into the tank.  I set the 
gas can up on top of the tractor fuel tank.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 10/25/2018 3:27 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote:
I have not been following this thread so, someone may have suggested 
this but,


I just get a hose, long enough to keep the Jerry can sitting above the 
fuel fill with the hose into the fill, up, into, and down to the 
bottom of the can.  Then, you make seal with your hand, around the 
hose  at the jerry can opening, and blow into the can (with your 
mouth)  this will give enough pressure to start the fluid flowing up 
and through the hose down into the tank.  Then a vacuum takes it from 
there!  easy peasy!  the jerry can needs to be full so you don't need 
to pressurize too much of an air pocket.  The longer you keep the hose 
submerged in the fluid the more fluid is transferred to the fuel 
tank.  I can pretty much empty the jerry can this way.  It clean and 
easy.  Just have a rag to wipe down the hose as it comes out the can 
and you can be drip free!


Danny

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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Consider not adding the fuel.

This is an urban myth that the condensation would add a lot of water to the 
fuel. The water in the fuel tank comes usually from the leaking fill hose 
cover. If you don’t believe it, do some calculations (;-).

Depending how much you motor, if you keep topping up the tank, you may end up 
with a lot of old fuel in the tank.

Many marinas don’t allow the topping up, because if you do it now, the fuel 
will expand in the spring and it would leak through the vent.

of course, your boat, your choice.

Marek
Ottawa, ON

From: David Knecht via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 10:17
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

I will soon be topping off my diesel tank for the winter, which I usually do by 
pouring fuel through a funnel with a water filter from a 5 gal jerry can.  I 
have found it nearly impossible to pour into the funnel from a full 5 gal 
container and hit the funnel without spilling diesel all over the transom and 
into the water if still at the dock.  Has anyone found a device that works or 
come up with a clever way to transfer fuel without spilling?  Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I really like the idea of the siphon hose with the shaker pump on the end as it 
is something small and simple that I can keep on the boat with the funnel and 
should be very clean to operate.  I like using a funnel with a water excluding 
filter, which eliminates some of the suggestions.  I have ordered one of the 
Amazon variety of siphon hoses and will report back when I try it out.  Thanks 
to all for the suggestions!   Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Oct 25, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> For what its worth, try one of these:  
> https://www.harborfreight.com/self-priming-copper-jiggler-pump-47334.html 
> 
> My boat neighbors swear by them.  I have bought one, but haven't really tried 
> it yet other than to figure out how it works. 
> 
> Dip the end with the shaker ball into the tank, and shake it up & down until 
> it pumps fuel up & over the top.  Then it begins siphoning down into the 
> tank.  No pouring contents from the gas can necessary.
> 
> And pretty cheap as well...
>  
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I have not been following this thread so, someone may have suggested 
this but,


I just get a hose, long enough to keep the Jerry can sitting above the 
fuel fill with the hose into the fill, up, into, and down to the bottom 
of the can.  Then, you make seal with your hand, around the hose  at the 
jerry can opening, and blow into the can (with your mouth)  this will 
give enough pressure to start the fluid flowing up and through the hose 
down into the tank.  Then a vacuum takes it from there!  easy peasy!  
the jerry can needs to be full so you don't need to pressurize too much 
of an air pocket.  The longer you keep the hose submerged in the fluid 
the more fluid is transferred to the fuel tank.  I can pretty much empty 
the jerry can this way.  It clean and easy.  Just have a rag to wipe 
down the hose as it comes out the can and you can be drip free!


Danny

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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[Gerald Fennessey via CnC-List]

 Scepter Military Fuel  20l plastic, two on ebay for sale now  $100.00.
I have been using them for 10 years, never leak and no-spill if you use their 
fill spout.
Very  pricey but the last can you will have to buy.


-Original Message-
From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2018 10:17 am
Subject: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

I will soon be topping off my diesel tank for the winter, which I usually do by 
pouring fuel through a funnel with a water filter from a 5 gal jerry can.  I 
have found it nearly impossible to pour into the funnel from a full 5 gal 
container and hit the funnel without spilling diesel all over the transom and 
into the water if still at the dock.  Has anyone found a device that works or 
come up with a clever way to transfer fuel without spilling?  Thanks- Dave 
S/V Aries1990 C 34+New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Many years as a delivery skipper siphoning fuel from jugs to tanks taught me 
that Coca Cola is excellent for getting the taste of diesel out of your mouth.
Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI 
USA02842

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Oct 25, 2018, at 15:01, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> For what its worth, try one of these:  
> https://www.harborfreight.com/self-priming-copper-jiggler-pump-47334.html
> My boat neighbors swear by them.  I have bought one, but haven't really tried 
> it yet other than to figure out how it works. 
> 
> Dip the end with the shaker ball into the tank, and shake it up & down until 
> it pumps fuel up & over the top.  Then it begins siphoning down into the 
> tank.  No pouring contents from the gas can necessary.
> 
> And pretty cheap as well...
>  
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

For what its worth, try one of these:  
https://www.harborfreight.com/self-priming-copper-jiggler-pump-47334.html
My boat neighbors swear by them.  I have bought one, but haven't really tried 
it yet other than to figure out how it works. 

Dip the end with the shaker ball into the tank, and shake it up & down until it 
pumps fuel up & over the top.  Then it begins siphoning down into the tank.  No 
pouring contents from the gas can necessary.
And pretty cheap as well... Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net

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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Try cutting the bottom out of a plastic 2 L tall bottle, like an empty
plastic rum bottle for example. clean and dry the bottle, put the bottle in
your funnel and pour into the bottle. Works for me. Also if you have a
clean siphon tube siphon from the fuel can straight into your funnel
squeezing the tube to control flow rate.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 1:51 PM Chuck S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> FWIW, I also hate the new fuel cans but learned they do work if used
> correctly. I found I have to forego the funnel and lift the can so it is
> over the fill hole. Then I lower the can so the nozzle enters the fill and
> guide the nozzle so the little step rests on the edge of the fill and lower
> the can so the step takes the weight and opens the valve in the spout. Some
> cans require you to line up a release mechanism and others have a trigger.
> It means holding a lot of awkward weight until the valve opens and then
> balancing the can for a few minutes as it drains.
>
> The long clear hose Dennis suggested seems like the best way to go.
>
>
> On October 25, 2018 at 10:40 AM "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> My 5-gallon plastic yellow diesel fuel container came with one of those
> U.S. EPA-approved nozzles that are difficult to operate and actually cause
> spills.  I replaced that nozzle with a cheap flexible hose-style nozzle
> that I bought from a local hardware store.  To fill the boat, I set the
> full diesel container on the deck next to the deck fill, put my finger over
> the end of the flexible nozzle, tip the can until I get the end of the
> nozzle into the deck fill (at which point I remove my finger), and then tip
> the container completely on its side (resting on the deck) while the
> flexible nozzle goes further into the deck fill.  After that, the container
> will drain until it’s nearly empty, at which point I lift it to get the
> last amount of diesel out.  Little or no spillage using this method.
>
> *From:* David Knecht via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 25, 2018 10:16 AM
> *To:* CnC CnC discussion list 
> *Cc:* David Knecht 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Filling diesel tank
>
> I will soon be topping off my diesel tank for the winter, which I usually
> do by pouring fuel through a funnel with a water filter from a 5 gal jerry
> can.  I have found it nearly impossible to pour into the funnel from a full
> 5 gal container and hit the funnel without spilling diesel all over the
> transom and into the water if still at the dock.  Has anyone found a device
> that works or come up with a clever way to transfer fuel without spilling?
> Thanks- Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

FWIW, I also hate the new fuel cans but learned they do work if used correctly. 
I found I have to forego the funnel and lift the can so it is over the fill 
hole. Then I lower the can so the nozzle enters the fill and guide the nozzle 
so the little step rests on the edge of the fill and lower the can so the step 
takes the weight and opens the valve in the spout. Some cans require you to 
line up a release mechanism and others have a trigger. It means holding a lot 
of awkward weight until the valve opens and then balancing the can for a few 
minutes as it drains.

The long clear hose Dennis suggested seems like the best way to go.


> On October 25, 2018 at 10:40 AM "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> 
> My 5-gallon plastic yellow diesel fuel container came with one of those 
> U.S. EPA-approved nozzles that are difficult to operate and actually cause 
> spills.  I replaced that nozzle with a cheap flexible hose-style nozzle that 
> I bought from a local hardware store.  To fill the boat, I set the full 
> diesel container on the deck next to the deck fill, put my finger over the 
> end of the flexible nozzle, tip the can until I get the end of the nozzle 
> into the deck fill (at which point I remove my finger), and then tip the 
> container completely on its side (resting on the deck) while the flexible 
> nozzle goes further into the deck fill.  After that, the container will drain 
> until it’s nearly empty, at which point I lift it to get the last amount of 
> diesel out.  Little or no spillage using this method.
>  
> From: David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 10:16 AM
> To: CnC CnC discussion list mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> Cc: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com
> Subject: Stus-List Filling diesel tank
>  
> I will soon be topping off my diesel tank for the winter, which I usually 
> do by pouring fuel through a funnel with a water filter from a 5 gal jerry 
> can.  I have found it nearly impossible to pour into the funnel from a full 5 
> gal container and hit the funnel without spilling diesel all over the transom 
> and into the water if still at the dock.  Has anyone found a device that 
> works or come up with a clever way to transfer fuel without spilling?  
> Thanks- Dave
>  
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[schiller via CnC-List]

I have used a battery operated kerosene pump that fits in the Jerry 
can.  I use one to fill my Kubota tractor that I use to blow snow (Our 
house is the bullseye of the Lake Michigan lake effect snow zone).  I 
need it because the cab blocks good access to the filler port.  They 
work well.  I get mine at either Menards or Tractor Supply.  They both 
carry them.  Look in the heater area where they sell Kerosene Heaters.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC


On 10/25/2018 10:16 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
I will soon be topping off my diesel tank for the winter, which I 
usually do by pouring fuel through a funnel with a water filter from a 
5 gal jerry can.  I have found it nearly impossible to pour into the 
funnel from a full 5 gal container and hit the funnel without spilling 
diesel all over the transom and into the water if still at the dock. 
 Has anyone found a device that works or come up with a clever way to 
transfer fuel without spilling?  Thanks- Dave


S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT




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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Buddy of mine swears by one of these for transferring diesel from a Jerry
can.

https://www.amazon.com/Safety-Siphon-Safe-Multi-Purpose-Priming/dp/B000BG1X54/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1540479570=8-3=shaker+siphon

Dennis C.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 9:17 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I will soon be topping off my diesel tank for the winter, which I usually
> do by pouring fuel through a funnel with a water filter from a 5 gal jerry
> can.  I have found it nearly impossible to pour into the funnel from a full
> 5 gal container and hit the funnel without spilling diesel all over the
> transom and into the water if still at the dock.  Has anyone found a device
> that works or come up with a clever way to transfer fuel without spilling?
> Thanks- Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[Dave. via CnC-List]

I use an outboard motor fuel hose with the end fittings removed for emptying 
the tank and I’m sure it would work to fill the tank. Squeezing the bulb is I 
little slow but is does work. 
Dave.
SLY
1975 C 33

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> On Oct 25, 2018, at 7:46 AM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I use a siphon hose like this:
> 
> 
> Podoy Gas Siphon Pump Gasoline/Fuel/Water Shaker Siphon Safety Self Priming 
> Hose 6' ft
> Amazon: http://a.co/d/4SIUlgu 
>  
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: David Knecht 
> To: CnC CnC discussion list 
> Cc: 
> Bcc: 
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 10:16:51 -0400
> Subject: Stus-List Filling diesel tank
> I will soon be topping off my diesel tank for the winter, which I usually do 
> by pouring fuel through a funnel with a water filter from a 5 gal jerry can.  
> I have found it nearly impossible to pour into the funnel from a full 5 gal 
> container and hit the funnel without spilling diesel all over the transom and 
> into the water if still at the dock.  Has anyone found a device that works or 
> come up with a clever way to transfer fuel without spilling?  Thanks- Dave
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Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

I use a siphon hose like this:


Podoy Gas Siphon Pump Gasoline/Fuel/Water Shaker Siphon Safety Self Priming
Hose 6' ft
Amazon: http://a.co/d/4SIUlgu


-- Forwarded message --
From: David Knecht 
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 10:16:51 -0400
Subject: Stus-List Filling diesel tank
I will soon be topping off my diesel tank for the winter, which I usually
do by pouring fuel through a funnel with a water filter from a 5 gal jerry
can.  I have found it nearly impossible to pour into the funnel from a full
5 gal container and hit the funnel without spilling diesel all over the
transom and into the water if still at the dock.  Has anyone found a device
that works or come up with a clever way to transfer fuel without spilling?
Thanks- Dave
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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

I've used a siphon hose, no holding or tipping, and if you set it up so the  5 
gallon is on the cockpit floor it will not over fill!

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of David Knecht via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 10:17 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

I will soon be topping off my diesel tank for the winter, which I usually do by 
pouring fuel through a funnel with a water filter from a 5 gal jerry can.  I 
have found it nearly impossible to pour into the funnel from a full 5 gal 
container and hit the funnel without spilling diesel all over the transom and 
into the water if still at the dock.  Has anyone found a device that works or 
come up with a clever way to transfer fuel without spilling?  Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

My 5-gallon plastic yellow diesel fuel container came with one of those U.S. 
EPA-approved nozzles that are difficult to operate and actually cause spills.  
I replaced that nozzle with a cheap flexible hose-style nozzle that I bought 
from a local hardware store.  To fill the boat, I set the full diesel container 
on the deck next to the deck fill, put my finger over the end of the flexible 
nozzle, tip the can until I get the end of the nozzle into the deck fill (at 
which point I remove my finger), and then tip the container completely on its 
side (resting on the deck) while the flexible nozzle goes further into the deck 
fill.  After that, the container will drain until it’s nearly empty, at which 
point I lift it to get the last amount of diesel out.  Little or no spillage 
using this method.

From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 10:16 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Filling diesel tank

I will soon be topping off my diesel tank for the winter, which I usually do by 
pouring fuel through a funnel with a water filter from a 5 gal jerry can.  I 
have found it nearly impossible to pour into the funnel from a full 5 gal 
container and hit the funnel without spilling diesel all over the transom and 
into the water if still at the dock.  Has anyone found a device that works or 
come up with a clever way to transfer fuel without spilling?  Thanks- Dave 

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

 




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[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Two things you can try:

First, get a bigger funnel.

Second, instead of having the spout of the can facing away from you, turn
the can around, and have the spout facing toward you. when the spout is
facing away from you, fuel will start to flow as soon as you tilt the can.
When the spout is facing away from you, you can tilt the can quite a ways
before the fuel starts to flow, and it will flow more slowly.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR


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> I will soon be topping off my diesel tank for the winter, which I usually
> do by pouring fuel through a funnel with a water filter from a 5 gal jerry
> can.  I have found it nearly impossible to pour into the funnel from a full
> 5 gal container and hit the funnel without spilling diesel all over the
> transom and into the water if still at the dock.  Has anyone found a device
> that works or come up with a clever way to transfer fuel without spilling?
> Thanks- Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Stus-List Filling diesel tank

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I will soon be topping off my diesel tank for the winter, which I usually do by 
pouring fuel through a funnel with a water filter from a 5 gal jerry can.  I 
have found it nearly impossible to pour into the funnel from a full 5 gal 
container and hit the funnel without spilling diesel all over the transom and 
into the water if still at the dock.  Has anyone found a device that works or 
come up with a clever way to transfer fuel without spilling?  Thanks- Dave
 
S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List flares

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

This information is for Canadians only (though, the USPS might do something 
similar) – local Chandleries, I think in coordination with the Canadian Power 
and Sail Squadron, organise collections once or twice a year (this year it was 
early in the summer).

I don’t think there was any live demonstration involved, though; just drop it 
off to the store.

Marek
Ottawa, ON

From: schiller via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 18:36
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: schiller
Subject: Re: Stus-List flares

Boy,  I have probably 50-100 expired flares.  I'm not sure that I can ship that 
many.

I have been trying to make contacts with the local Coast Guard to have a 
session on the White Lake Pier to fire flares.  How many of you have actually 
used a flare?  Most people don't realize the slag that comes off a hand held 
flare and that you need a stand-off pipe or heavy glove to keep from being 
burned.  I have never fire a flair from my flare gun (did fire one with a 
twelve gauge shotgun).  I would like to fire a couple to understand the hang 
time and use.  I will work on doing this more next year.

Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 10/24/2018 5:29 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
Mystic Seaport collects expired flares to use to start the steam boiler on 
their vintage tour boat, Sabino.  If we can find a way to collect them 
(Defender Spring Warehouse Sale?) I would be happy to deliver them.  Dave

Dr. David Knecht
Professor , Department of Molecular and Cell Biology
University of Connecticut
91 N. Eagleville Rd.
U-3125
Storrs, CT 06269-3125
860-486-2200

On Oct 24, 2018, at 3:03 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
wrote:

I've switched, but I also have SOLAS flares on board.  (Anyone want a dozen 
expired SOLAS flares?

Joel

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 2:42 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:
???
I never do that, partly because I am in the water and possibly sailing and 
partly because being cold doesn’t seem to hurt them.
BTW – anyone switched to the electronic flare? IMHO it will pay for itself 
quickly, but I can’t imagine it would do anything at all as a distress signal. 
I once tried to use my MOB strobe to make it easier for another boat to find me 
in the dark and they could not pick it out from 1 mile away.

Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 2:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter

Mike,

You take the flares off the boat? Do they have problems with freezing?

Marek
Already on the hard in Ottawa, ON

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Re: Stus-List flares

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Our USPS district arranged a pyrotechnics demo using expired flares and
rockets. There were no duds. We did note that strikers we the major point
of failure. When you find a good one it will fire off multiple flares.
Moral, don't discard strikers after one use.

On Oct 24, 2018 9:21 PM, "Rick Brass via CnC-List" 
wrote:

I might be a candidate, depending on when they expired. I have like 6
expired flares and a couple of expired smokes on the boat… in addition to
the current Solas stuff. I might replace the VERY old ones with your
NOT-so-so-very-old ones.



Rick Brass

Washington, NC







*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
Aronson via CnC-List
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 24, 2018 3:03 PM
*To:* cnc-list 
*Cc:* Joel Aronson 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List flares



I've switched, but I also have SOLAS flares on board.  (Anyone want a dozen
expired SOLAS flares?



Joel




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