Re: Stus-List Strange Weather - now jibs
Let's not forget that a furling line can chafe through, a line you thought was cleated properly might not be, genoa sheets can flap badly in heavy wind and cause extra stress, and I've even heard some folk recommend against cleating the genoa sheets using the self-tailers due the potential for pawl wear & damage if the sheets are flapping. Our marina asked firmly (OK, demanded) that everyone take off all their canvas as Irma approached. Most of us complied, and would have pulled everything down even without the request. However, some negligent folks who never seem to get to their boat did not. I even saw someone try to tie down their wicker furniture on the upper deck of their power boat using bungee cords (as though that was really going to help). I'm in the insurance business, and yes, I would exclude shredded jibs from coverage, but I might go further and double the deductible for loss of the boat for any boat that came off a mooring or dragged anchor with a loose jib. Seriously though, 15 seconds to tie off the genoa when you're walking off the boat isn't too much to ask! Bruce Whitmore (847) 404-5092 (mobile) bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Strange Weather, Eh?
Rick, I think that this is unfair to point this out Here we had about 10 cm of snow on Wednesday, rain today and below freezing for the next week, at least. Marek Ottawa, ON From: Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 13:06 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Re: Stus-List Strange Weather, Eh? Oh, BTW Randy, it is 73 degrees, sunny, with 13-18 knots of breeze here today. Down to the mid 60s tomorrow, sunny with 10-12 knots. I’ll be on my boat. Rick Brass Washington, NC ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Strange Weather, Eh?
Maybe it’s just that I’m getting old and irascible, but I have developed a pretty low appreciation of the intelligence and wisdom of my fellow man. Think about how dumb the average person you meet seems to be; and then consider that the fact that this is the average means half are even worse. Case in point: we get frequent nor’easters here in North Carolina during the winter, and since most boats spend the winter in the water they have sails standing. Few tie off the furling jib or genoa, and I’ve even seen a couple that have left the roller furling line uncleated or just coiled and left on a lifeline. Either massive inexperience or sheer thoughtlessness. Oh, BTW Randy, it is 73 degrees, sunny, with 13-18 knots of breeze here today. Down to the mid 60s tomorrow, sunny with 10-12 knots. I’ll be on my boat. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of bwhitmore via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 7:46 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: bwhitmore Subject: Re: Stus-List Strange Weather, Eh? I have seen so many jobs unfurl and shred over the years both in Monroe Harbor in Chicago and down here in Florida that I'm surprised that: 1. yards allow people to store boats with jobs still on the furler; 2. people haven't learned to safety tie their job when leaving the boat. Why aren't there more articles about ensuring good jib/genoa safety? Every time we leave for the weekend or expect winds more than about 20 mph when we're on the boat overnight we grab a sail tie and tie it around the jib. Unwrapped jib tip boats off cradles and tear them off anchors and moorings. Sheesh... Just plain good common sense! Bruce Whitmore C&C 37/40+ "Astralis" ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Strange Weather - now jibs
Keeping a jib up and furled when the boat is hauled out for the season makes no sense to me etiher. From a wear perspective as well as increase of windage. Out of curiosity, has anyone seen jibs unfurl when tightly wrapped with 10 or so wraps of cleated jib sheets wrapped around the winches and securely cleated and the furler line properly tied off to a cleat as well? I imagine something could fail at high enough winds but it seems fairly secure, especially with 1000 or 1500 pounds of backstay tension. This is the way I typically leave my boat which stays in the water year around. I hope everyone has been OK with this recent winter bomb. Scary levels of wind. Bailey White 36-1 Lake Lanier, GA ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Strange Weather, Eh? Now jibs unfurling
My furler (old Harken) has a hole in the drum and the outer case that line up when furled, I just pop a small carabiner through and there's zero chance it can un-furl. I just need to remember to remove it before attempting to unfurl. Your furler may have something similar. Cheers, Paul. From: CnC-List on behalf of bwhitmore via CnC-List Sent: March 15, 2019 4:45 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: bwhitmore Subject: Re: Stus-List Strange Weather, Eh? I have seen so many jobs unfurl and shred over the years both in Monroe Harbor in Chicago and down here in Florida that I'm surprised that: 1. yards allow people to store boats with jobs still on the furler; 2. people haven't learned to safety tie their job when leaving the boat. Why aren't there more articles about ensuring good jib/genoa safety? Every time we leave for the weekend or expect winds more than about 20 mph when we're on the boat overnight we grab a sail tie and tie it around the jib. Unwrapped jib tip boats off cradles and tear them off anchors and moorings. Sheesh... Just plain good common sense! Bruce Whitmore C&C 37/40+ "Astralis" Sent from Samsung tablet. Original message From: Richard Bush via CnC-List Date: 3/14/19 9:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Richard Bush Subject: Re: Stus-List Strange Weather, Eh? The Colorado storm moved through the Ohio valley tonight: we had some 60+ gusts; I saw jibs (not mine) unfurled and shredded in the marina; something I have never seen before -here at least! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB: Ohio River; Mile 506 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Wade Glew via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: Wade Glew Sent: Thu, Mar 14, 2019 8:05 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Strange Weather, Eh? Sunny and hot here in Winnipeg! Wade Glew Oh Boy C&C 33 MKII On Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 13:52 Randy Stafford via CnC-List, mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Yesterday in eastern Colorado we had a bomb cyclone, over land, at about 38 degrees north latitude. All-time records were set for lowest atmospheric pressure ever recorded in several locations. The center of the low was at about 37.5 degrees north latitude, 102 degrees west longitude, at Manter, Kansas just east of the Colorado border. Category 2 hurricane-strength winds were recorded in northeast Colorado while snow was falling, creating a snowicane. The system consisted of a cold air mass moving southeast from Canada, swirling with moist warm air moving up from the Gulf of Mexico. Of course that created nasty blizzard conditions in the northwest quadrant of the cyclone over the Colorado plains including the Denver metropolitan area. All ground and air travel in eastern Colorado was shut down and is just recovering today. This was a rare meteorological event; I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime here. I’ve uploaded a screenshot of http://hint.fm/wind/ taken at about 11:00 MDT last night to https://drive.google.com/open?id=1biBx_8VUDGuU_GtEgmYIr1nWGhIDFGGq which clearly shows the counter-clockwise rotation in the national wind pattern. This article https://weather.com/safety/winter/news/2019-03-13-bomb-cyclone-winter-storm-ulmer describes the details of the bomb cyclone. Time to go remove snow from by boat again. I’m so done with this winter already. Good thing I’m doing a BVI charter in two weeks :) Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Strange Weather - now jibs
This happens here too. If I were an insurance underwriter I would want to exclude this sort of damage as leaving a jib on the furler with boat stored is not good practice. It seems to be a great way to have insurance pay for a new sail … unless of course it destroys the dock system or causes a boat to fall over on another. I have always wondered why marinas simply do not remove jibs from furlers when on hard and add a $100 surcharge to the owners marina bill. Would save everyone a lot of grief and also provide incentive for people to store their boats and ails more properly. OTOH hurricanes and storms do come up during the sailing season with boats in the water and owners away. Jibs often unfurl then as well My 0.02 Mike Persistence (Not launched yet) Halifax, NS www.hoytsailing.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of bwhitmore via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:46 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: bwhitmore Subject: Re: Stus-List Strange Weather, Eh? I have seen so many jobs unfurl and shred over the years both in Monroe Harbor in Chicago and down here in Florida that I'm surprised that: 1. yards allow people to store boats with jobs still on the furler; 2. people haven't learned to safety tie their job when leaving the boat. Why aren't there more articles about ensuring good jib/genoa safety? Every time we leave for the weekend or expect winds more than about 20 mph when we're on the boat overnight we grab a sail tie and tie it around the jib. Unwrapped jib tip boats off cradles and tear them off anchors and moorings. Sheesh... Just plain good common sense! Bruce Whitmore C&C 37/40+ "Astralis" Sent from Samsung tablet. ution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 158, Issue 28
Glenn, The quadrant ( or radial drive wheel) and rudder post should have a precision interference fit which is made by having the bore of the quadrant machined .002-.003” undersized. In this way, the clamping tolerance prevents the quadrant from slipping on the post. Any key and keyway cut into the post and quadrant is designed as a failsafe to prevent slippage if there is an impact or if the clamping bolts somehow became loose. If your quadrant is moving on the rudder post and is clamped tightly to the post, the quadrant is damaged and needs to be replaced. You will need to provide a precise measurement of your post taken with a set of calipers or micrometer. Measure the width of the rudder post keyway as well and source a key to match. Never rely on a piece of key stock to prevent steering slippage between the post and quadrant. Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1983 35 Landfall Padanaram, MA Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 15, 2019, at 5:48 AM, Glenn Henderson via CnC-List > wrote: > > Regarding the questions on rudder quadrants, I had slack in the steering of > our C&C 41 (WeGo). I climbed into the mouse hole and barely got to the > adjustment nuts. I tightened a bit, checked it, tightened, checked it... it > didn't improve the situation. What created almost all of the slack was the > condition that the keyway was not a square section but slightly less on one > side. It appeared to be square but was just enough less to allow the wheel to > rotate on the shaft a considerable amount if the keyway was installed with > the narrow side in the cut. I hope this saves someone a trip through the > mousehole. > > Pura Vida, > > Glenn and Lindsey Henderson > C&C 41- WeGo > > . > >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 8:05 PM wrote: >> Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Re: 35-1 rudder quadrant question (Joe Della Barba) >>2. Strange Weather, Eh? (Randy Stafford) >>3. best price for life raft re-certification (Dan) >>4. Re: best price for life raft re-certification (David) >>5. Re: Strange Weather, Eh? (Marek Dziedzic) >>6. Re: Strange Weather, Eh? (Dennis C.) >>7. Re: Strange Weather, Eh? (Andrew Burton) >>8. Re: Strange Weather, Eh? (Wade Glew) >> >> >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Joe Della Barba >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 14:14:31 -0400 >> Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-1 rudder quadrant question >> Here you go: >> >> http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/rudder/ >> >> Joe >> >> Coquina >> >> C&C 35 MK I >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Randy Stafford >> To: cnc-list >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:51:48 -0600 >> Subject: Stus-List Strange Weather, Eh? >> Yesterday in eastern Colorado we had a bomb cyclone, over land, at about 38 >> degrees north latitude. All-time records were set for lowest atmospheric >> pressure ever recorded in several locations. The center of the low was at >> about 37.5 degrees north latitude, 102 degrees west longitude, at Manter, >> Kansas just east of the Colorado border. Category 2 hurricane-strength >> winds were recorded in northeast Colorado while snow was falling, creating a >> snowicane. The system consisted of a cold air mass moving southeast from >> Canada, swirling with moist warm air moving up from the Gulf of Mexico. Of >> course that created nasty blizzard conditions in the northwest quadrant of >> the cyclone over the Colorado plains including the Denver metropolitan area. >> All ground and air travel in eastern Colorado was shut down and is just >> recovering today. This was a rare meteorological event; I’ve never seen >> anything like it in my lifetime here. >> >> I’ve uploaded a screenshot of http://hint.fm/wind/ taken at about 11:00 MDT >> last night to >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1biBx_8VUDGuU_GtEgmYIr1nWGhIDFGGq which >> clearly shows the counter-clockwise rotation in the national wind pattern. >> This article >> https://weather.com/safety/winter/news/2019-03-13-bomb-cyclone-winter-storm-ulmer >> describes the details of the bomb cyclone. >> >> Time to go remove snow from by boat again. I’m so done with this winter >> already. Good thing I’m doing a BVI charter in two weeks :) >> >> Cheers, >> Randy Stafford >> S/V Grenadine >> C&C 30-1 #7 >> Ken Caryl, CO >> >> >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Dan >> To: cnc
Re: Stus-List Strange Weather, Eh?
I have seen so many jobs unfurl and shred over the years both in Monroe Harbor in Chicago and down here in Florida that I'm surprised that:1. yards allow people to store boats with jobs still on the furler;2. people haven't learned to safety tie their job when leaving the boat.Why aren't there more articles about ensuring good jib/genoa safety?Every time we leave for the weekend or expect winds more than about 20 mph when we're on the boat overnight we grab a sail tie and tie it around the jib.Unwrapped jib tip boats off cradles and tear them off anchors and moorings.Sheesh... Just plain good common sense!Bruce WhitmoreC&C 37/40+ "Astralis"Sent from Samsung tablet. Original message From: Richard Bush via CnC-List Date: 3/14/19 9:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Richard Bush Subject: Re: Stus-List Strange Weather, Eh? The Colorado storm moved through the Ohio valley tonight: we had some 60+ gusts; I saw jibs (not mine) unfurled and shredded in the marina; something I have never seen before -here at least! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB: Ohio River; Mile 506 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Wade Glew via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: Wade Glew Sent: Thu, Mar 14, 2019 8:05 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Strange Weather, Eh? Sunny and hot here in Winnipeg! Wade Glew Oh Boy C&C 33 MKII On Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 13:52 Randy Stafford via CnC-List, wrote: Yesterday in eastern Colorado we had a bomb cyclone, over land, at about 38 degrees north latitude. All-time records were set for lowest atmospheric pressure ever recorded in several locations. The center of the low was at about 37.5 degrees north latitude, 102 degrees west longitude, at Manter, Kansas just east of the Colorado border. Category 2 hurricane-strength winds were recorded in northeast Colorado while snow was falling, creating a snowicane. The system consisted of a cold air mass moving southeast from Canada, swirling with moist warm air moving up from the Gulf of Mexico. Of course that created nasty blizzard conditions in the northwest quadrant of the cyclone over the Colorado plains including the Denver metropolitan area. All ground and air travel in eastern Colorado was shut down and is just recovering today. This was a rare meteorological event; I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime here. I’ve uploaded a screenshot of http://hint.fm/wind/ taken at about 11:00 MDT last night to https://drive.google.com/open?id=1biBx_8VUDGuU_GtEgmYIr1nWGhIDFGGq which clearly shows the counter-clockwise rotation in the national wind pattern. This article https://weather.com/safety/winter/news/2019-03-13-bomb-cyclone-winter-storm-ulmer describes the details of the bomb cyclone. Time to go remove snow from by boat again. I’m so done with this winter already. Good thing I’m doing a BVI charter in two weeks :) Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 158, Issue 28
Regarding the questions on rudder quadrants, I had slack in the steering of our C&C 41 (WeGo). I climbed into the mouse hole and barely got to the adjustment nuts. I tightened a bit, checked it, tightened, checked it... it didn't improve the situation. What created almost all of the slack was the condition that the keyway was not a square section but slightly less on one side. It appeared to be square but was just enough less to allow the wheel to rotate on the shaft a considerable amount if the keyway was installed with the narrow side in the cut. I hope this saves someone a trip through the mousehole. Pura Vida, Glenn and Lindsey Henderson C&C 41- WeGo . On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 8:05 PM wrote: > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: 35-1 rudder quadrant question (Joe Della Barba) >2. Strange Weather, Eh? (Randy Stafford) >3. best price for life raft re-certification (Dan) >4. Re: best price for life raft re-certification (David) >5. Re: Strange Weather, Eh? (Marek Dziedzic) >6. Re: Strange Weather, Eh? (Dennis C.) >7. Re: Strange Weather, Eh? (Andrew Burton) >8. Re: Strange Weather, Eh? (Wade Glew) > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Joe Della Barba > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 14:14:31 -0400 > Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-1 rudder quadrant question > Here you go: > > http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/rudder/ > > Joe > > Coquina > > C&C 35 MK I > > > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Randy Stafford > To: cnc-list > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:51:48 -0600 > Subject: Stus-List Strange Weather, Eh? > Yesterday in eastern Colorado we had a bomb cyclone, over land, at about > 38 degrees north latitude. All-time records were set for lowest > atmospheric pressure ever recorded in several locations. The center of the > low was at about 37.5 degrees north latitude, 102 degrees west longitude, > at Manter, Kansas just east of the Colorado border. Category 2 > hurricane-strength winds were recorded in northeast Colorado while snow was > falling, creating a snowicane. The system consisted of a cold air mass > moving southeast from Canada, swirling with moist warm air moving up from > the Gulf of Mexico. Of course that created nasty blizzard conditions in > the northwest quadrant of the cyclone over the Colorado plains including > the Denver metropolitan area. All ground and air travel in eastern > Colorado was shut down and is just recovering today. This was a rare > meteorological event; I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime here. > > I’ve uploaded a screenshot of http://hint.fm/wind/ taken at about 11:00 > MDT last night to > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1biBx_8VUDGuU_GtEgmYIr1nWGhIDFGGq which > clearly shows the counter-clockwise rotation in the national wind pattern. > This article > https://weather.com/safety/winter/news/2019-03-13-bomb-cyclone-winter-storm-ulmer > describes > the details of the bomb cyclone. > > Time to go remove snow from by boat again. I’m so done with this winter > already. Good thing I’m doing a BVI charter in two weeks :) > > Cheers, > Randy Stafford > S/V Grenadine > C&C 30-1 #7 > Ken Caryl, CO > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Dan > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 16:10:30 -0300 > Subject: Stus-List best price for life raft re-certification > I want to get my Zodiac brand 6 man life raft re-certified. It's 15 years > old. Last inspected in 2011. The local shop here charges $700 Canadian + > extra for whatever is expired so probably over $1000 after taxes. I'm > willing to send the raft away for a better price. Anyone know of a cheaper > way? > > Dan > Breakaweigh > C&C44 > Halifax, NS > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: David > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 19:15:47 + > Subject: Re: Stus-List best price for life raft re-certification > Check LRSE in Portmouth, RI...although I am not sure how much cheaper they > would be. Might be worth the shipping. > > *David F. Risch, J. D.* > > *Gulf Stream Associates, LLC* > > > *(401) 419-4650 * > > -- > *From:* CnC-List on behalf of Dan via > CnC-List > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 3:10 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Dan > *Subject:* Stus-List best price for life raft re-certification > > I want to get my Zodiac brand 6 man life raft re-cer
