Re: Stus-List Serpentine conversion

[David via CnC-List]

Yup.

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From: CnC-List  on behalf of Marek Dziedzic via 
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Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 6:00:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Serpentine conversion

Generally, there is a limit on the alternator (and the pump) regarding how much 
power you can get off the engine using a single V-belt. Once you exceed around 
80-90 A (some claim that you can go as high as 120 A) on the alternator, you 
should start using either a dual V-belt or a serpentine belt solution. At some 
point the single V-belt will start to slip and this is bad for the belt (and 
pulleys).

Just my $0.02

Marek

1994 C270 ”Legato”
Ottawa, ON



From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via 
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Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 13:16
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Serpentine conversion

The ElectroMAXX seems very well made.  The price I've seen just seems 
astronomical for the minimal benefits.

Counterpoints?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 1:01 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I used the ElectroMAAX kit on my Yanmar 3HM35F.  The pulleys are well made, but 
the brackets took a little fiddling with.  It appears there are more than 1 
3HM35Fs.  I'm happy with the final solution.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~


On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:38 AM Bill via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Has anyone converted their alternator to a serpentine belt on a Yanmar? I am 
wondering if there are sources other than the Balmar conversion kit for the 
pulleys that are exclusive to the engine, like the water pump and the 
crankshaft.
Bill Coleman
C&C 39
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Re: Stus-List Serpentine conversion

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Generally, there is a limit on the alternator (and the pump) regarding how much 
power you can get off the engine using a single V-belt. Once you exceed around 
80-90 A (some claim that you can go as high as 120 A) on the alternator, you 
should start using either a dual V-belt or a serpentine belt solution. At some 
point the single V-belt will start to slip and this is bad for the belt (and 
pulleys).

Just my $0.02

Marek

1994 C270 ”Legato”
Ottawa, ON



From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via 
CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 13:16
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Serpentine conversion

The ElectroMAXX seems very well made.  The price I've seen just seems 
astronomical for the minimal benefits.

Counterpoints?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 1:01 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I used the ElectroMAAX kit on my Yanmar 3HM35F.  The pulleys are well made, but 
the brackets took a little fiddling with.  It appears there are more than 1 
3HM35Fs.  I'm happy with the final solution.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~


On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:38 AM Bill via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Has anyone converted their alternator to a serpentine belt on a Yanmar? I am 
wondering if there are sources other than the Balmar conversion kit for the 
pulleys that are exclusive to the engine, like the water pump and the 
crankshaft.
Bill Coleman
C&C 39
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Re: Stus-List Serpentine conversion

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yes it is the reference price point of auto equipment that makes the marine
conversion cost quite offensive.

You could just get the alternator with a V-belt pulley... Or change the
serpentine pulley to V-belt until a cost effective solution is found.

Josh

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 5:06 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That is what I am thinking.  I am about to buy an alternator, and one with
> a serpentine pulley, so I only would need the pulley on the crank, and
> water pump. I realise Balmar, and I guess ElectroMAXX have put some time
> into creating these kits for each engine, but they still seem a little
> pricy.  When you start looking at car pulleys, they are dirt cheap in
> comparison. Maybe I can just modify a car pulley.
>
> And to Ken’s point, I guess I don’t really need the serpentine, but I do
> want it.  V belts wear down quickly, makes a mess, are not as efficient,
>  need replacing two or four  times sooner and need more attention than the
> serpentine.  I guess if you are born anal like me, your life is that much
> harder.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C&C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2019 1:16 PM
> *To:* C&C List
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Serpentine conversion
>
>
>
> The ElectroMAXX seems very well made.  The price I've seen just seems
> astronomical for the minimal benefits.
>
>
>
> Counterpoints?
>
>
>
> Josh Muckley
>
> S/V Sea Hawk
>
> 1989 C&C 37+
>
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 1:01 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I used the ElectroMAAX kit on my Yanmar 3HM35F.  The pulleys are well
> made, but the brackets took a little fiddling with.  It appears there are
> more than 1 3HM35Fs.  I'm happy with the final solution.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> S/V Kaylarah
>
> '90 C&C 37+
>
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:38 AM Bill via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Has anyone converted their alternator to a serpentine belt on a Yanmar? I
> am wondering if there are sources other than the Balmar conversion kit for
> the pulleys that are exclusive to the engine, like the water pump and the
> crankshaft.
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C&C 39
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Serpentine conversion

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

That is what I am thinking.  I am about to buy an alternator, and one with a 
serpentine pulley, so I only would need the pulley on the crank, and water 
pump. I realise Balmar, and I guess ElectroMAXX have put some time into 
creating these kits for each engine, but they still seem a little pricy.  When 
you start looking at car pulleys, they are dirt cheap in comparison. Maybe I 
can just modify a car pulley.

And to Ken’s point, I guess I don’t really need the serpentine, but I do want 
it.  V belts wear down quickly, makes a mess, are not as efficient,  need 
replacing two or four  times sooner and need more attention than the 
serpentine.  I guess if you are born anal like me, your life is that much 
harder.

 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 1:16 PM
To: C&C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Serpentine conversion

 

The ElectroMAXX seems very well made.  The price I've seen just seems 
astronomical for the minimal benefits.

 

Counterpoints? 

 

Josh Muckley 

S/V Sea Hawk 

1989 C&C 37+

Solomons, MD 

 

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 1:01 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List  
wrote:

I used the ElectroMAAX kit on my Yanmar 3HM35F.  The pulleys are well made, but 
the brackets took a little fiddling with.  It appears there are more than 1 
3HM35Fs.  I'm happy with the final solution.

 

Gary

S/V Kaylarah

'90 C&C 37+

East Greenwich, RI, USA


~~~_/)~~

 

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:38 AM Bill via CnC-List  wrote:

Has anyone converted their alternator to a serpentine belt on a Yanmar? I am 
wondering if there are sources other than the Balmar conversion kit for the 
pulleys that are exclusive to the engine, like the water pump and the 
crankshaft.

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 

 

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Re: Stus-List Universal engine coolant drain plug

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Moyer Marine should be able to spec that.

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On Mar 31, 2019, at 2:08 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I need to drain the coolant from my Universal M4-30.  The drain plug in the 
photo I have from the manual is near the dip stick on the side of the engine I 
can reach but can’t see.  The photo in the manual is pretty useless as I can’t 
see what it is pointing to.  Does anyone know more precisely what it looks like 
(size?) or a way to find it by feel (or another way to drain)?  Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Stus-List Universal engine coolant drain plug

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I need to drain the coolant from my Universal M4-30.  The drain plug in the 
photo I have from the manual is near the dip stick on the side of the engine I 
can reach but can’t see.  The photo in the manual is pretty useless as I can’t 
see what it is pointing to.  Does anyone know more precisely what it looks like 
(size?) or a way to find it by feel (or another way to drain)?  Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Serpentine conversion

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

I think the mail application is for a high output alternator, over 100
amps, one that probably should have double belts to handle the load.
Apparently the serpentine belts have more traction than Vee belts so don't
have to be tightened as much, so they aren't as hared on water pump and
alternator bearings.

We have a 100 amp alternator now and it is a bit hard on belts.

If you have a stock alternator, you really don't need one of these
serpentine belt kits.

Ken H.

On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 14:16, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The ElectroMAXX seems very well made.  The price I've seen just seems
> astronomical for the minimal benefits.
>
> Counterpoints?
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 1:01 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I used the ElectroMAAX kit on my Yanmar 3HM35F.  The pulleys are well
>> made, but the brackets took a little fiddling with.  It appears there are
>> more than 1 3HM35Fs.  I'm happy with the final solution.
>>
>> Gary
>> S/V Kaylarah
>> '90 C&C 37+
>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>> ~~~_/)~~
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:38 AM Bill via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone converted their alternator to a serpentine belt on a Yanmar?
>>> I am wondering if there are sources other than the Balmar conversion kit
>>> for the pulleys that are exclusive to the engine, like the water pump and
>>> the crankshaft.
>>>
>>> Bill Coleman
>>> C&C 39
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Re: Stus-List Serpentine conversion

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The ElectroMAXX seems very well made.  The price I've seen just seems
astronomical for the minimal benefits.

Counterpoints?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 1:01 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I used the ElectroMAAX kit on my Yanmar 3HM35F.  The pulleys are well
> made, but the brackets took a little fiddling with.  It appears there are
> more than 1 3HM35Fs.  I'm happy with the final solution.
>
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C&C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:38 AM Bill via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone converted their alternator to a serpentine belt on a Yanmar? I
>> am wondering if there are sources other than the Balmar conversion kit for
>> the pulleys that are exclusive to the engine, like the water pump and the
>> crankshaft.
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>> C&C 39
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Re: Stus-List Serpentine conversion

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I used the ElectroMAAX kit on my Yanmar 3HM35F.  The pulleys are well made,
but the brackets took a little fiddling with.  It appears there are more
than 1 3HM35Fs.  I'm happy with the final solution.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~



On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:38 AM Bill via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Has anyone converted their alternator to a serpentine belt on a Yanmar? I
> am wondering if there are sources other than the Balmar conversion kit for
> the pulleys that are exclusive to the engine, like the water pump and the
> crankshaft.
>
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39
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Stus-List CnC domains for sale

[Stu via CnC-List]

I have a couple of C&C related domains that I am going to sell soon.  I don’t 
have any use for them now.

You will have to transfer them to your own registration account and look after 
hosting.  All I have is the registered name.

If interest, please contact me off the list.  Will probably sell to the highest 
bidder.

DOMAINS:
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cncyachts.com

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Re: Stus-List Serpentine conversion

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

I haven't made the conversion yet (thinking about it) but this is a source
I was looking at:
https://www.electromaax.com/products/serpentine-pulley-upgrades/

Ken H.

On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 10:38, Bill via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Has anyone converted their alternator to a serpentine belt on a Yanmar? I
> am wondering if there are sources other than the Balmar conversion kit for
> the pulleys that are exclusive to the engine, like the water pump and the
> crankshaft.
>
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39
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Stus-List Serpentine conversion

[Bill via CnC-List]

Has anyone converted their alternator to a serpentine belt on a Yanmar? I am wondering if there are sources other than the Balmar conversion kit for the pulleys that are exclusive to the engine, like the water pump and the crankshaft.Bill ColemanC&C 39___

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Stus-List Some Sunday morning reading. The ultimate C&C - Archangel - the C&C 67

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Good morning.  Grab a coffee (or two), sit back, relax, and read a little
about the storied C&C's of the past.

This week's installment, the ultimate C&C - *Archangel* - the C&C 67

This is an example of what C&C (and our very own Rob Ball) could do, when
allowed to stretch their wings a bit.

[image: Archangel-Thumb.jpg]

Robert Ball was a member of the 'Design Panel' at the C&C Yachts Living
History Conference, held at the Royal Hamilton Yacht Club at Hamilton,
Ontario, on April 15th of 2012. Each panel member was asked to choose what
they felt were C&C Yacht's top three designs and to discuss these with the
panel and audience.

Rob Ball chose Michael Davies' 67 foot schooner *Archangel*, in part
because the design and building of her took two years of his design career,
but more importantly because she sailed so many miles, with so many great
people, and her success was further reinforced by being purchased by Sir
Peter Blake, probably the finest sailor in the world at that time.

*https://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/c-67.html
*

If you find the article interesting and want to read more, there is an
article included at that link about Archangel from Yachting, September
1981, and if you want more, when you get to the bottom you can click on an
article from Canadian Yachting Magazine, from Archangel's launch in 1980.

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia

https://c-c-37-40.blogspot.ca/p/salazar.html
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Re: Stus-List 37+ Prop Pitch for Universal 35

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Hey Rick,

I just got the prop re-pitched and the boat launched.

https://www.pyiinc.com/downloads/max-prop/max-prop-3-blade-classic-instructions.pdf

I disassembled my prop yesterday with the intention of adding pitch.  I had
forgotten the setting at which I had left it but found the documentation
marked with 18° and tick marks by E and H.

https://www.pyiinc.com/downloads/max-prop/max-prop-3-blade-classic-instructions.pdf

Once I got blade the cup and blades off I could see E on the nose of the
cone lined up with the dimple.  Match marks before disassembly are
critical!

Further disassembly of the hub halves allowed access to the cone gear.  Be
careful not to let the cone fall out.  Removal of one half at a time
ensures that you have free hands to hold the cone in place.  Once I could
carefully control the cone and observe its orientation, I removed it.  The
mark is on the back of the gear and hard to find.  I kinda knew where to
expect it and looked carefully eventually confirming the expected setting
of H.  I found the setting of 18° = E, H

I reassembled in reverse and left it set to 20° = K, E

When we launched, I found we had increased boat speed by about 1 to 1.5
knots at ~3600 rpm and maintained 6 knots at a comfortable 2400 rpm.  I'm
pleased with the adjustments but might bump it one more step next season.

The engine is a yanmar 3HM35F (30 Hp @ 3200 rpm continuous, 32 Hp @ 3400
rpm for up to 1 hour, 35 Hp @ 3600 rpm Instantaneous) and the transmission
is a kanzaki with a ratio of 2.83

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 1:29 PM Rick Rohwer  wrote:

> Thanks for that info because that is what I want as well!  I would be
> delighted with 6.5 to 7.  It gives a guy a lot more confidence in the crazy
> currents we experience in the Puget Sound (especially up north).
>
> If the 3HM35F is running correctly the 3-blade 16” Max prop should be set
> at 20*.
>
> Thanks again for the info
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2019, at 1:27 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:
>
> Hey Rick,
>
> I responded earlier "off list" and thought you might want to see my
> thoughts.
>
> I took this off list.
>
> I have the 30hp Yanmar (3HM35F) rated at 3200rpm - continuous.
>
> It goes up to 32hp @3400rpm - 1 hour
> And 34hp @ 3600rpm - momentarily.
>
> IIRC my 3 blade 16" maxprop is set at 18°
>
> On a fresh clean bottom and clean prop I can typically get about 7.5 kts.
> It doesn't last long.  Mid season after knocking off the barnacles I get
> about 6.5 or 7.  All at full throttle.
>
> Each 2° change of pitch is supposed to affect rpm by 10%.  You should set
> the pitch so that you reach full rpm at full throttle.
>
> About 3 months ago I fixed a lingering problem with my timing cover and HP
> fuel pump.  I'm convinced that the HPFP had been "lifting" off the timing
> cover and reducing the timing.  After re-setting everything, it appears
> that the engine has considerably more more.  I know that I can push higher
> and harder.  I need to re-pitch during the haul out this spring.  I'm
> considering 1 step for a 2° reduction of about 360 rpm from full throttle.
>
> If you have any reason to suspect that your engine is not performing at
> full power, you might want to consider troubleshooting and repairing that
> before adjusting the prop.
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2019, 3:56 PM Rick Rohwer via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
>> I have the same prop but a Yanmar 35.  Deep keel.  Sounds very close to
>> the same performance. I was looking to do the same tweaking on my next haul
>> out.  Looking forward to other opinions on the subject.
>>
>> I do love the difference under sail though compared to the fixed prop
>> that was on the boat since purchase.
>>
>> Rick Rohwer
>> Paikea 37+
>> Bremerton, WA
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Chuck Saur via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a MaxProp classic, and a Universal 35 on Daydream.  The prop pitch
>> appears very shallow, and when motoring, seems to be slow. (from memory of
>> last September, 4.5 knots@ 2300rpms)
>>
>> Any 37+ owners have this combination of prop and engine, and happen to
>> know the correct pitch for the MaxProp prop?
>>
>> And cheers from the Michigan Fridge...-12 in the UP this morning!!
>>
>>
>> *Chuck Saur*
>>
>> (517)-490-5926
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