Stus-List 33-2 Windstar projects blog updated

[Dave S via CnC-List]

https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/p/livability.html

Evening all.   Finally updated my blog, and included a master list of projects. 
 Almost caught up.  Tons of little projects here.

Enjoy.

Dave

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Re: Stus-List Bilge cleaner

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

I pour a little biodegradable Tide in the bilge and it seems to work ok.


> On September 16, 2019 at 4:37 PM Francois Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Fred, 
> 
> I just pour some of Starbrite's cleaner in my sump.  Works well.  I  tend 
> to mostly use Starbrite stuff for cleaning these days.  I found that their 
> products typically perform much better than brand X and are often cheaper. 
> It's on sale 40% off at West right now. 
> 
> 
> https://www.westmarine.com/buy/star-brite--seasafe-bilge-cleaner--186181?recordNum=5
> 
> Good luck with the cleaning!
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five" 
> Lake Lanier, GA
> 
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Re: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Fwiw, Our prop shaft is on center but there is the usual prop walk caused by 
the downward angle of the shaft.  I simply get the boat steering straight 
before setting the autohelm to hold course.  That means the wheel will be 
slightly to one side, not much, maybe a third of a spoke.  Once she is going 
how I want, at speed, right RPMs and direction, I lock the lever on the wheel 
autohelm drive and push the button on the autohelm control.  Easy peazey.


C 


> On September 16, 2019 at 1:08 PM Rob Ball via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The engine and Propeller are installed at an angle, because the rotation 
> of the prop will kick the boat to one side.  The angle is an effort to work 
> against that to balance it out. 
> 
> That decision is made when building the first hull of that model and you 
> can imagine that the engine and propeller that is planned at that moment is 
> only a guess.  Different motors and props will act in different ways . . . .
> 
> So, it’s hard to know if this is what you are feeling . . . . .
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers,   Rob Ball  C 34
> 
>  
> 
> Matthew L. Wolford 
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:38 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging
> 
>  
> 
> A lot of C (including my 42 and my prior 34) have the shaft offset 
> just a bit to cause what you’re describing.  Perhaps Rob can explain why they 
> did that.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Dan via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:20 AM
> 
> To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> Cc: Dan mailto:dgcorm...@gmail.com
> 
> Subject: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging
> 
>  
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I recently rebuilt my rudder and re-installed it on Breakaweigh.
> 
> We took the boat out yesterday and I noticed when under diesel power that 
> the wheel is lightly tugging to the port side. I'm not entirely sure if it 
> did that before or if this is a new tugging. If I were to completely let go 
> of the wheel the boat would automatically start a broad turn to port just 
> like your car is supposed to always veer to one side to get you off the road 
> (so I've heard)
> 
>  
> 
> My question is - is this due to the movement/rotation of water from the 
> prop at 2000 rpm moving water accross the rudder (is this a typical 
> rudder/prop thing?) OR do I need to adjust the tension in my rudder cables, 
> OR is my rudder very slightly miss-shapen causing a minor lift" to one side?
> 
>  
> 
> When I re-attached the rudder I referenced photos I took of my rudder 
> cables where they are attached to the quadrant before hand so I could closely 
> match the threading on each side so that the tensions would be the same as 
> before. (theoretically)
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks everyone,
> 
>  
> 
> Dan
> 
> Breakaweigh
> 
> C
> 
> Halifax, NS
> 
>  
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Bilge cleaner

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I spritz with 409 and run a garden hose into the bilge.  Bilge pump pumps
it out.  Maybe not particularly environmental.  I've found dawn or even the
eco-dawn to work pretty well too.  Make a soapy solution and spritz away.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 3:31 PM Fred Hazzard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What do listers like to clean and deodorize their bilge?  Mine needs a
> major clean and freshening.
>
> Fred Hazzard
> S/V Fury
> C 44
> Portland Or
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Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C Rendezvous

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Joe's membership has 4 spots.  1 for him and 3 remaining available as
guests.  My wife and I are taking 2 and I have planned for Rick Bushie to
take the last one.

Brian Fry and wife are planned for taking 2 spots on Gary Nylander's
members leaving 2 there.  If anybody needs to register for a slip tell the
dockmaster Josh Atwood at 410-746-4946 that you are joining for the C
Rendezvous and guests of Gary Nylander so that Josh can make sure to put
you with the group.

Text/voice questions for me:
443-295-3238


All the best,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 4:59 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am signed up. Go ahead now and register.
> Joe
> Coquina
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 16, 2019, at 14:26, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> That should be no problem. I know Jamie (owner) quite well. I’ll arrange
> it.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Della
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2019 11:16 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C
> Rendezvous
>
>
>
> I am going this afternoon to sign up for the Maritime Museum.
>
> My understanding is this supports 4 boats including me, so Tuesday we
> should be able to sign up 3 more.
>
> I saw these people at our local farmer’s market:
>
> http://lyondistilling.com/
>
> They are in Saint Mike’s and might be persuaded to do a tour.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C Rendezvous

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I am signed up. Go ahead now and register.  
Joe
Coquina

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2019, at 14:26, Gary Nylander via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> That should be no problem. I know Jamie (owner) quite well. I’ll arrange it.
> Gary
>  
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:16 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C Rendezvous
>  
> I am going this afternoon to sign up for the Maritime Museum.
> My understanding is this supports 4 boats including me, so Tuesday we should 
> be able to sign up 3 more.
> I saw these people at our local farmer’s market:
> http://lyondistilling.com/
> They are in Saint Mike’s and might be persuaded to do a tour.
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
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Stus-List Bilge cleaner

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Fred,

I just pour some of Starbrite's cleaner in my sump.  Works well.  I  tend
to mostly use Starbrite stuff for cleaning these days.  I found that their
products typically perform much better than brand X and are often cheaper.
It's on sale 40% off at West right now.

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/star-brite--seasafe-bilge-cleaner--186181?recordNum=5

Good luck with the cleaning!

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List Bilge cleaner

[Jeff Helsdingen via CnC-List]

Simple Green is pretty effective too. Elbow Grease is going to be the most
effective option though.

Jeff Helsdingen
C 35 mk 1
Caposhi #54
Port Stanley On


On Mon., Sep. 16, 2019, 4:26 p.m. David Risch via CnC-List, <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dawn…cuts the grease and then a bit of a soak with a bit of bleach.
> Then rinse like heck.
>
> *David F. Risch *
>
> *(401) 419-4650*
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Fred
> Hazzard via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2019 3:31 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Fred Hazzard 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Bilge cleaner
>
>
>
> What do listers like to clean and deodorize their bilge?  Mine needs a
> major clean and freshening.
>
>
>
> Fred Hazzard
>
> S/V Fury
>
> C 44
>
> Portland Or
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Re: Stus-List Bilge cleaner

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I was previously chastised for suggesting bleach as it can harm stainless 
steel.  I have found Purple Power to be an effective bilge cleaner.

From: David Risch via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 4:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge cleaner

Dawn…cuts the grease and then a bit of a soak with a bit of bleach.Then 
rinse like heck.  

David F. Risch 

(401) 419-4650

 

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CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 3:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Fred Hazzard 
Subject: Stus-List Bilge cleaner

 

What do listers like to clean and deodorize their bilge?  Mine needs a major 
clean and freshening. 

 

Fred Hazzard 

S/V Fury 

C 44

Portland Or 




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Re: Stus-List Bilge cleaner

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Dawn…cuts the grease and then a bit of a soak with a bit of bleach.Then 
rinse like heck.
David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Fred Hazzard via 
CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 3:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Fred Hazzard 
Subject: Stus-List Bilge cleaner

What do listers like to clean and deodorize their bilge?  Mine needs a major 
clean and freshening.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland Or
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Re: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

So I have Barrient 32ST winches for my primaries.  They are roughly
equivalent to a modern Harken 60ST.  The Harken is rated for 8mm to 16mm
line.  I checked the performance of 8mm line in the self-tailer of my 32ST
and found it completely ineffective.  I tried the 12mm Sta-Set X which I
had been using and found that it only partially tensioned the self tailer
clamp.  I decided to move up to 14mm or 16mm which absolutely appeared
would fit. Realizing that this size is massive in comparison to the loads
that it would be handling I started looking for characteristics that were
more indifferent to the stretch and more appreciative of the handling,
winch operation, abrasion resistance, and price.  Regular, cheap sta-set
immediately jumped into mind but I decided to do a little more research.
I've posted this link before:
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/0B8pEh5lnvP1ySGpOTUdGRW9xdzQ

I selected Samson XLS since it rated excellent in all 3 categories and was
priced on par with sta-set.  Upon calling around I found that 16mm was
extremely rare and 14mm was available but uncommon.  I also found that
Samson had revised the product to XLS3.  I wanted white with blue
fleck/tracer.  85' would probably have been enough but 90' added comfort.
The everyday price at  Fawcett's was $1.97/ft but if I got 100' they
reduced the price to $1.77.  1.97@90 ft = $177.30 and obviously 1.77@100ft
= $177 so it was a bit of a no brainer.  Fawcett's had to order the 500'
spool so shipping would be delayed but free since it was over $50.  WM Pro
price was $1.97/ft with no other discounts.  Regular WM price is $2.49/ft.
They had it in the warehouse and could ship same day.  More than likely it
would have been available for pickup in store tomorrow.

So John, final answer:  the super secret spool with 400' remaining at
Fawcett's is: 9/16th (14mm) Samson XLS3 in white with blue fleck priced at
$1.97/ft for less than 100', or $1.77 for more than 100'.  Come and get it
or call Joe at +14102678681


All the best,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 2:57 PM John Conklin  wrote:

> And what’s the top secret spool for the job sheets Josh ? so we can also
> support Fawcett's and burn up the stock  if we prefer this product  :)
>
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
> S/V Heartbeat
> www.flirtingwithfire.com
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2019, at 2:49 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> So I'm in the market for new jib sheets and my goto Annapolis Performance
> Sailing at APDLTD.COM keeps throwing 404 errors.  I call them up a
> describe the problem hoping that they can simply make the order over the
> phone.  The associate tells me that they no longer carry cordage of any
> type!  She goes on to tell me that they also no longer sell ANY hardware
> and no longer perform rigging services!  I ask, what do you carry? and she
> says, apparel/accessories only.  I was completely dumbfounded since they
> had seemingly had such a large presence in the sailing community, both
> locally and on the internet.  I expressed my disappointment and wished them
> luck with the new business model.
>
> Upon hanging up, I called Fawcett's which has a very limited internet
> presence but phenomenal staff and selection.  Joe was extremely helpful, he
> ordered a spool of cordage just for me, and had the 100' I needed cut,
> whipped and shipped at a better price than that of West Marine Pro (which
> gave ~20% discount).  The price comparison was close and I will have to
> wait 2 weeks for them to get the spool but I'm not in a big rush and
> keeping the local business is valuable to me.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Stus-List Bilge cleaner

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

What do listers like to clean and deodorize their bilge?  Mine needs a
major clean and freshening.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland Or
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Re: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

And what’s the top secret spool for the job sheets Josh ? so we can also 
support Fawcett's and burn up the stock  if we prefer this product  :)

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On Sep 16, 2019, at 2:49 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

So I'm in the market for new jib sheets and my goto Annapolis Performance 
Sailing at APDLTD.COM keeps throwing 404 errors.  I call 
them up a describe the problem hoping that they can simply make the order over 
the phone.  The associate tells me that they no longer carry cordage of any 
type!  She goes on to tell me that they also no longer sell ANY hardware and no 
longer perform rigging services!  I ask, what do you carry? and she says, 
apparel/accessories only.  I was completely dumbfounded since they had 
seemingly had such a large presence in the sailing community, both locally and 
on the internet.  I expressed my disappointment and wished them luck with the 
new business model.

Upon hanging up, I called Fawcett's which has a very limited internet presence 
but phenomenal staff and selection.  Joe was extremely helpful, he ordered a 
spool of cordage just for me, and had the 100' I needed cut, whipped and 
shipped at a better price than that of West Marine Pro (which gave ~20% 
discount).  The price comparison was close and I will have to wait 2 weeks for 
them to get the spool but I'm not in a big rush and keeping the local business 
is valuable to me.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I was on the APS mailing list, and they announced a month or two ago that they 
were going to sell most of the inventory and essentially sell clothing.  They 
were my small boat one design go to (420s, Lasers, etc.) for years.  I wonder 
what happened.

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 2:48 PM
To: C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

So I'm in the market for new jib sheets and my goto Annapolis Performance 
Sailing at APDLTD.COM keeps throwing 404 errors.  I call them up a describe the 
problem hoping that they can simply make the order over the phone.  The 
associate tells me that they no longer carry cordage of any type!  She goes on 
to tell me that they also no longer sell ANY hardware and no longer perform 
rigging services!  I ask, what do you carry? and she says, apparel/accessories 
only.  I was completely dumbfounded since they had seemingly had such a large 
presence in the sailing community, both locally and on the internet.  I 
expressed my disappointment and wished them luck with the new business model. 

Upon hanging up, I called Fawcett's which has a very limited internet presence 
but phenomenal staff and selection.  Joe was extremely helpful, he ordered a 
spool of cordage just for me, and had the 100' I needed cut, whipped and 
shipped at a better price than that of West Marine Pro (which gave ~20% 
discount).  The price comparison was close and I will have to wait 2 weeks for 
them to get the spool but I'm not in a big rush and keeping the local business 
is valuable to me.

Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk 
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD 



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Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

So I'm in the market for new jib sheets and my goto Annapolis Performance
Sailing at APDLTD.COM keeps throwing 404 errors.  I call them up a describe
the problem hoping that they can simply make the order over the phone.  The
associate tells me that they no longer carry cordage of any type!  She goes
on to tell me that they also no longer sell ANY hardware and no longer
perform rigging services!  I ask, what do you carry? and she says,
apparel/accessories only.  I was completely dumbfounded since they had
seemingly had such a large presence in the sailing community, both locally
and on the internet.  I expressed my disappointment and wished them luck
with the new business model.

Upon hanging up, I called Fawcett's which has a very limited internet
presence but phenomenal staff and selection.  Joe was extremely helpful, he
ordered a spool of cordage just for me, and had the 100' I needed cut,
whipped and shipped at a better price than that of West Marine Pro (which
gave ~20% discount).  The price comparison was close and I will have to
wait 2 weeks for them to get the spool but I'm not in a big rush and
keeping the local business is valuable to me.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C Rendezvous

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

That should be no problem. I know Jamie (owner) quite well. I’ll arrange it.

Gary

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C Rendezvous

 

I am going this afternoon to sign up for the Maritime Museum. 

My understanding is this supports 4 boats including me, so Tuesday we should be 
able to sign up 3 more.

I saw these people at our local farmer’s market:

http://lyondistilling.com/

They are in Saint Mike’s and might be persuaded to do a tour.

 

Joe

Coquina

 

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Re: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

  “LIKE” button !!
   Totally concur

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
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On Sep 16, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Dan via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Thank-you Rob. I'm just glad to know I didn't make any mistakes with 
re-assembly. You built an amazing boat and I truly love it.

So far all of the information I've gathered from you, and this list since I've 
started reading it has been incredible. There's a sinking feeling one gets when 
you discover something (anything) on an aging boat that seems to put your 
safety, wallet or sanity into question. Having feedback and support like this 
is truly everything.

Thanks everyone!
Dan

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 2:08 PM Rob Ball via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
The engine and Propeller are installed at an angle, because the rotation of the 
prop will kick the boat to one side.  The angle is an effort to work against 
that to balance it out.
That decision is made when building the first hull of that model and you can 
imagine that the engine and propeller that is planned at that moment is only a 
guess.  Different motors and props will act in different ways . . . .
So, it’s hard to know if this is what you are feeling . . . . .

Cheers,   Rob Ball  C 34

Matthew L. Wolford mailto:wolf...@erie.net>>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging

A lot of C (including my 42 and my prior 34) have the shaft offset just a 
bit to cause what you’re describing.  Perhaps Rob can explain why they did that.

From: Dan via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:20 AM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Cc: Dan
Subject: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging

Hi all,
So I recently rebuilt my rudder and re-installed it on Breakaweigh.
We took the boat out yesterday and I noticed when under diesel power that the 
wheel is lightly tugging to the port side. I'm not entirely sure if it did that 
before or if this is a new tugging. If I were to completely let go of the wheel 
the boat would automatically start a broad turn to port just like your car is 
supposed to always veer to one side to get you off the road (so I've heard)

My question is - is this due to the movement/rotation of water from the prop at 
2000 rpm moving water accross the rudder (is this a typical rudder/prop thing?) 
OR do I need to adjust the tension in my rudder cables, OR is my rudder very 
slightly miss-shapen causing a minor lift" to one side?

When I re-attached the rudder I referenced photos I took of my rudder cables 
where they are attached to the quadrant before hand so I could closely match 
the threading on each side so that the tensions would be the same as before. 
(theoretically)

Thanks everyone,

Dan
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax, NS


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Re: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging

[Dan via CnC-List]

Thank-you Rob. I'm just glad to know I didn't make any mistakes with
re-assembly. You built an amazing boat and I truly love it.

So far all of the information I've gathered from you, and this list since
I've started reading it has been incredible. There's a sinking feeling one
gets when you discover something (anything) on an aging boat that seems to
put your safety, wallet or sanity into question. Having feedback and
support like this is truly everything.

Thanks everyone!
Dan

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 2:08 PM Rob Ball via CnC-List 
wrote:

> The engine and Propeller are installed at an angle, because the rotation
> of the prop will kick the boat to one side.  The angle is an effort to work
> against that to balance it out.
>
> That decision is made when building the first hull of that model and you
> can imagine that the engine and propeller that is planned at that moment is
> only a guess.  Different motors and props will act in different ways . . . .
>
> So, it’s hard to know if this is what you are feeling . . . . .
>
>
>
> Cheers,   *Rob Ball  **C 34*
>
>
>
> Matthew L. Wolford 
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2019 11:38 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging
>
>
>
> A lot of C (including my 42 and my prior 34) have the shaft offset just
> a bit to cause what you’re describing.  Perhaps Rob can explain why they
> did that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Dan via CnC-List 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2019 11:20 AM
>
> *To:* CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
>
> *Cc:* Dan 
>
> *Subject:* Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> So I recently rebuilt my rudder and re-installed it on Breakaweigh.
>
> We took the boat out yesterday and I noticed when under diesel power that
> the wheel is lightly tugging to the port side. I'm not entirely sure if it
> did that before or if this is a new tugging. If I were to completely let go
> of the wheel the boat would automatically start a broad turn to port just
> like your car is supposed to always veer to one side to get you off the
> road (so I've heard)
>
>
>
> My question is - is this due to the movement/rotation of water from the
> prop at 2000 rpm moving water accross the rudder (is this a typical
> rudder/prop thing?) OR do I need to adjust the tension in my rudder cables,
> OR is my rudder very slightly miss-shapen causing a minor lift" to one side?
>
>
>
> When I re-attached the rudder I referenced photos I took of my rudder
> cables where they are attached to the quadrant before hand so I could
> closely match the threading on each side so that the tensions would be the
> same as before. (theoretically)
>
>
>
> Thanks everyone,
>
>
>
> Dan
>
> Breakaweigh
>
> C
>
> Halifax, NS
>
>
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Re: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My boat does this. Airplanes do it too – this is just how single engine prop 
vehicles work unless the shaft is offset.
Joe
Coquina
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Re: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

The engine and Propeller are installed at an angle, because the rotation of the 
prop will kick the boat to one side.  The angle is an effort to work against 
that to balance it out.
That decision is made when building the first hull of that model and you can 
imagine that the engine and propeller that is planned at that moment is only a 
guess.  Different motors and props will act in different ways . . . .
So, it’s hard to know if this is what you are feeling . . . . .

Cheers,   Rob Ball  C 34

Matthew L. Wolford 
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging

A lot of C (including my 42 and my prior 34) have the shaft offset just a 
bit to cause what you’re describing.  Perhaps Rob can explain why they did that.

From: Dan via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:20 AM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Cc: Dan
Subject: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging

Hi all,
So I recently rebuilt my rudder and re-installed it on Breakaweigh.
We took the boat out yesterday and I noticed when under diesel power that the 
wheel is lightly tugging to the port side. I'm not entirely sure if it did that 
before or if this is a new tugging. If I were to completely let go of the wheel 
the boat would automatically start a broad turn to port just like your car is 
supposed to always veer to one side to get you off the road (so I've heard)

My question is - is this due to the movement/rotation of water from the prop at 
2000 rpm moving water accross the rudder (is this a typical rudder/prop thing?) 
OR do I need to adjust the tension in my rudder cables, OR is my rudder very 
slightly miss-shapen causing a minor lift" to one side?

When I re-attached the rudder I referenced photos I took of my rudder cables 
where they are attached to the quadrant before hand so I could closely match 
the threading on each side so that the tensions would be the same as before. 
(theoretically)

Thanks everyone,

Dan
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax, NS


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Re: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Yes, my 35 does this also, and with the larger prop and longer prop shat
placing it closer to the rudder, it is quite pronounced. I use the friction
knob on the pedestal to add some friction so I don't have to always hold
the wheel so tight. It definitely increases with speed, so that my wimpy
autopilot cannot correct the course over about 5.5 knots due to the pull.

I was told the angled shaft was to reduce propwalk, but not sure if this is
true.
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 9:28 AM Dan via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Thanks everyone - this definitely settles the issue for me.
> I had a feeling the pull was there before so I'm not totally alarmed by
> the effect, and I will certainly try the immediate throttle-down to test
> the concept. I imagine it will behave as expected - not sure why I didn't
> think of that yesterday when I noticed the effect in the first place.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Dan
>
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Re: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging

[Dan via CnC-List]

Thanks everyone - this definitely settles the issue for me.
I had a feeling the pull was there before so I'm not totally alarmed by the
effect, and I will certainly try the immediate throttle-down to test the
concept. I imagine it will behave as expected - not sure why I didn't think
of that yesterday when I noticed the effect in the first place.

Thanks again!

Dan

>
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Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C Rendezvous

[detroito91 via CnC-List]

Let's goJim Schwartz Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 Date: 9/16/19  12:03 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: C List 
 Cc: Josh Muckley  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C Rendezvous I believe blue 
dyer distillery is there as well as a few others.Josh On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 
11:17 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  wrote:









I am going this afternoon to sign up for the Maritime Museum.

My understanding is this supports 4 boats including me, so Tuesday we should be 
able to sign up 3 more.
I saw these people at our local farmer’s market:
http://lyondistilling.com/
They are in Saint Mike’s and might be persuaded to do a tour.
 
Joe
Coquina
 





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Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C Rendezvous

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I believe blue dyer distillery is there as well as a few others.

Josh

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 11:17 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am going this afternoon to sign up for the Maritime Museum.
>
> My understanding is this supports 4 boats including me, so Tuesday we
> should be able to sign up 3 more.
>
> I saw these people at our local farmer’s market:
>
> http://lyondistilling.com/
>
> They are in Saint Mike’s and might be persuaded to do a tour.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

For one thing the offset shaft makes  it so that you can get the shaft out 
without pulling the rudder. This is a very nice feature I took advantage of 
when installing a shaft seal last year.  On the other hand my 34 definitely 
does pull a bit when motoring.  I try to motor as little as possible so it 
isn’t that big a deal.

Nathan Post
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34
Lynn, MA

> On Sep 16, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> A lot of C (including my 42 and my prior 34) have the shaft offset just a 
> bit to cause what you’re describing.  Perhaps Rob can explain why they did 
> that.
>  
> From: Dan via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:20 AM
> To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list
> Cc: Dan
> Subject: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging
>  
> Hi all,
> So I recently rebuilt my rudder and re-installed it on Breakaweigh.
> We took the boat out yesterday and I noticed when under diesel power that the 
> wheel is lightly tugging to the port side. I'm not entirely sure if it did 
> that before or if this is a new tugging. If I were to completely let go of 
> the wheel the boat would automatically start a broad turn to port just like 
> your car is supposed to always veer to one side to get you off the road (so 
> I've heard)
>  
> My question is - is this due to the movement/rotation of water from the prop 
> at 2000 rpm moving water accross the rudder (is this a typical rudder/prop 
> thing?) OR do I need to adjust the tension in my rudder cables, OR is my 
> rudder very slightly miss-shapen causing a minor lift" to one side?
>  
> When I re-attached the rudder I referenced photos I took of my rudder cables 
> where they are attached to the quadrant before hand so I could closely  match 
> the threading on each side so that the tensions would be the same as before. 
> (theoretically)
>  
> Thanks everyone,
>  
> Dan
> Breakaweigh
> C
> Halifax, NS
>  
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Re: Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging

[sv Rebecca Leah via CnC-List]

The "tugging" was most likely there. You didn't notice it far a couple of 
reasons.1. With the rudder going back in, the shaft was lubed, and moves freely 
now.2. After all the work that was done. You are more critical as to the 
steering.3. Under power the prop blades will cause the water to pulse as each 
blade crosses in front of the rudder. You can test this by having the rudder 
slightly off center. From a stand still give it half or better throttle.The 
rudder will tug as each blade passes. Most noticible with a 2 bladed prop.  I 
have seen this before when a customer would pick up his car after some steering 
work. He had cheap tires which magnified any defect in the road.Doug Mountjoy 
Sv Rebecca Leah C LF39253-208-1412Port Orchard YC wa.
 Original message From: Dan via CnC-List 
 Date: 9/16/19  08:20  (GMT-08:00) To: "CNC boat owners, 
cnc-list"  Cc: Dan  Subject: 
Stus-List New Rudder Steering Tugging Hi all,So I recently rebuilt my rudder 
and re-installed it on Breakaweigh. We took the boat out yesterday and I 
noticed when under diesel power that the wheel is lightly tugging to the port 
side. I'm not entirely sure if it did that before or if this is a new tugging. 
If I were to completely let go of the wheel the boat would automatically start 
a broad turn to port just like your car is supposed to always veer to one side 
to get you off the road (so I've heard)My question is - is this due to the 
movement/rotation of water from the prop at 2000 rpm moving water accross the 
rudder (is this a typical rudder/prop thing?) OR do I need to adjust the 
tension in my rudder cables, OR is my rudder very slightly miss-shapen causing 
a minor lift" to one side?When I re-attached the rudder I referenced photos I 
took of my rudder cables where they are attached to the quadrant before hand so 
I could closely match the threading on each side so that the tensions would be 
the same as before. (theoretically)Thanks everyone,DanBreakaweighC, 
NS
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Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C Rendezvous

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I am going this afternoon to sign up for the Maritime Museum.
My understanding is this supports 4 boats including me, so Tuesday we should be 
able to sign up 3 more.
I saw these people at our local farmer’s market:
http://lyondistilling.com/
They are in Saint Mike’s and might be persuaded to do a tour.

Joe
Coquina

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