Re: Stus-List America’s Cup

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Defiant looks awesome. They stated in a video that the boat foiled in her first 
90 minutes of being on the water. The video shows her turning at speed and 
looking very steady proving they are doing many things right. I'm a huge fan of 
Americas Cup cause it pushes the possibilities of sailing, keeps designers and 
builders busy, and is very entertaining. Foiling has been around a while but 
recent developments have produced foils that work at low speeds like standup 
paddle boards and even surfboards. The other night I watched an hour long 
documentary of Larry Ellison winning the cup back from the Swiss several years 
before the foiling catamarans. I also watched a video of a guy in Truro, 
England (Poldark area) building fifty foot Pilot Cutters in wood and training 
young people to be builders. BTW, my boat takes her name from an Americas Cup 
defender of 1920, Resolute. She was short on the waterline with a bigger than 
normal sailplan and struggled but kept the cup. She was gaff rigged with three 
headsails and designed by Nat Herreshoff who designed and raced the first 
catamaran and designed the first fin keel w bulb. If he were alive today, I'm 
sure he would be testing all the cutting edge materials and designing foils.

The new AC boats will be 75 feet long, foiling monohulls, no keel, no 
centerboards, the foils are attached to arms that rotate the windward foil up 
to act as a counterweight. Eleven man crews. New Zealand is defending against 
America, England and Italy, so there will be four boats. The races are in 2021 
so they have two years to practice and improve the designs.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1990 C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md


> On September 17, 2019 at 5:11 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am not a big fan of the foiling AC boats of any length. 
> 
> However, I love the name of the US entry, Defiant. Win or lose, she 
> carries a great name like many of the old sailing ships of the seafaring 
> nations of the world.
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> S/V Water Phantom
> 1995 C&C 36XL/kcb
> 
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Re: Stus-List Bow anchor roller

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

Thanks Neil...i will check it out.
On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 schiller via CnC-List  
wrote:
 Bill,
 
 There are a couple of lot queen 34's down here at Crosswinds.  At least one of 
them has a an anchor roller.  If you get down that way, they are parked at the 
far edge of the lot by the Whitehall Landing driveway.  The stem fitting looks 
like the 36 (I looked at them thinking about Glenn Gambell's 36).
 
 We were hauled yesterday.  We are parked right across from the office door.
 
 Neil Schiller
 C&C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
 Whitehall, Michigan
 WLYC
 
 On 9/17/2019 5:11 PM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List wrote:
  
 

Anyone with a CnC 36 installed an anchor roller?  Send photos please..
 At 71 decided it's time..
 Bill Walker
 Pentwater, Mi.
 
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Re: Stus-List Bow anchor roller

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Just replaced the bow roller on our 35, after some rough anchorages and a
fouled chain caused the urethane roller to collapse inside. Then I spotted
a same size roller (3" wide) at Canadian Tire which is a better design -
solid urethane, instead of hollow with some webbing, which is the part
which collapsed.

I know you're probably looking for the whole roller assembly; sorry I can't
help with that as mine is custom made. But when you do find one, I suggest
trying to get a solid urethane roller for it.
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:12 PM WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List <
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> Anyone with a CnC 36 installed an anchor roller?  Send photos please..
> At 71 decided it's time..
> Bill Walker
> Pentwater, Mi.
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 with spartite

[david--- via CnC-List]

It was a while ago, but I put spartite in on my 35-2 with mast straps in place. 
The mast has come out a number of times, so it clearly worked. 

To the best of my recollection, I coated the straps and the inside of the mast 
collar carefully with vaseline. After reinstalling the straps I filled the gap 
between the collar and the straps with the putty that comes with the spartite. 
I may have also puttied around the edges of the straps above deck where they 
meet the collar. The idea is to make sure that the straps release from the 
spartite bonded to the mast and from mast collar. 

Spartite is definitely worth the effort. Just make sure you are happy with you 
mast rake before you pour. 

David Kelly
Baraka, C&C 35-2

> On Sep 17, 2019, at 3:44 PM, Bill via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> I did that on my 39, and I removed those annoying straps. I put A Rod going 
> from the top center of the mask collar, with a flathead on the top end of the 
> rod, sealed in butyl. On the bottom I had a turnbuckle, and I drilled and 
> tapped into a keel bolt and put 3/8 in threads into the keelbolt for the 
> bottom of the turnbuckle. I think some of the newer boats had something 
> similar to that.
> 
> Bill Coleman
> 
> On Sep 17, 2019 3:14 PM, "pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> I have a 1984 37’ and am considering using spartite.  
> 
> Has anyone done this on the this model?  How did you accommodate the tie down 
> straps?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Bow anchor roller

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Niel, what's a "lot Queen 36"? 

PS: Sorry to hear you have to haul so early...!

thanks
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: schiller via CnC-List 
To: WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
Cc: schiller 
Sent: Tue, Sep 17, 2019 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bow anchor roller

 Bill,
 
 There are a couple of lot queen 34's down here at Crosswinds.  At least one of 
them has a an anchor roller.  If you get down that way, they are parked at the 
far edge of the lot by the Whitehall Landing driveway.  The stem fitting looks 
like the 36 (I looked at them thinking about Glenn Gambell's 36).
 
 We were hauled yesterday.  We are parked right across from the office door.
 
 Neil Schiller
 C&C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
 Whitehall, Michigan
 WLYC
 
 On 9/17/2019 5:11 PM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List wrote:
  
 
Anyone with a CnC 36 installed an anchor roller?  Send photos please..
 At 71 decided it's time..
 Bill Walker
 Pentwater, Mi. 
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Re: Stus-List Bow anchor roller

[schiller via CnC-List]

Bill,

There are a couple of lot queen 34's down here at Crosswinds.  At least 
one of them has a an anchor roller.  If you get down that way, they are 
parked at the far edge of the lot by the Whitehall Landing driveway.  
The stem fitting looks like the 36 (I looked at them thinking about 
Glenn Gambell's 36).


We were hauled yesterday.  We are parked right across from the office door.

Neil Schiller
C&C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 9/17/2019 5:11 PM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List wrote:


Anyone with a CnC 36 installed an anchor roller? Send photos please..
At 71 decided it's time..
Bill Walker
Pentwater, Mi.


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Stus-List America’s Cup

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I am not a big fan of the foiling AC boats of any length. 
However, I love the name of the US entry, Defiant. Win or lose, she carries a 
great name like many of the old sailing ships of the seafaring nations of the 
world.
Charlie NelsonS/V Water Phantom1995 C&C 36XL/kcb


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Stus-List Bow anchor roller

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

Anyone with a CnC 36 installed an anchor roller?  Send photos please..
At 71 decided it's time..
Bill Walker
Pentwater, Mi.
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Stus-List 1985 Color Question

[Luke Wolbrink via CnC-List]

Hello group,

I'm looking to make some repairs to the deck this winter and fill in some
stress cracks etc. The boat has the original gel-coat still. Has anyone had
any luck with a topside paint that matches the gel-coat on a circa 1985
boat? It's an off white that gets darker when wet and I hate to have to
paint the whole thing just because I filled in some cracks in the cabintop.

Thanks,
Luke
1985 35-3' "Zella"
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 with spartite

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Pete, be sure to let us know what you finally decide to go with...thanks
 
Richard
 c/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
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To: cnc-list 
Cc: pete.shelquist 
Sent: Tue, Sep 17, 2019 3:15 pm
Subject: Stus-List C&C 37 with spartite

 I have a 1984 37’ and am considering using spartite.   Has anyone 
done this on the this model?  How did you accommodate the tie down straps? 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 with spartite

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Ditto here. I rigged the same type of rod/turnbuckle to Honey's mast, added
the SpareTite and have never looked back. As long as you follow the
instructions the next mast removal is simple and straightforward

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY - US12788
Savannah, GA USA

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On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 3:45 PM Bill via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I did that on my 39, and I removed those annoying straps. I put A Rod
> going from the top center of the mask collar, with a flathead on the top
> end of the rod, sealed in butyl. On the bottom I had a turnbuckle, and I
> drilled and tapped into a keel bolt and put 3/8 in threads into the
> keelbolt for the bottom of the turnbuckle. I think some of the newer boats
> had something similar to that.
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> On Sep 17, 2019 3:14 PM, "pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I have a 1984 37’ and am considering using spartite.
>
> Has anyone done this on the this model?  How did you accommodate the tie
> down straps?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 with spartite

[Bill via CnC-List]

I did that on my 39, and I removed those annoying straps. I put A Rod going from the top center of the mask collar, with a flathead on the top end of the rod, sealed in butyl. On the bottom I had a turnbuckle, and I drilled and tapped into a keel bolt and put 3/8 in threads into the keelbolt for the bottom of the turnbuckle. I think some of the newer boats had something similar to that.Bill ColemanOn Sep 17, 2019 3:14 PM, "pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List"  wrote: I have a 1984 37’ and am considering using spartite.   Has anyone done this on the this model?  How did you accommodate the tie down straps? Thanks,___

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Re: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Some of us (ahem...) more senior lister's may remember when Lands' End 
was a boating supply mail order catalog.  They made the switch in the 
late '70's to clothing, lot more$$ to be made, it appears.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY



On 9/17/2019 3:02 PM, jim aridas via CnC-List wrote:
Seemed like a weird business decision? But maybe much better markup in 
clothing and accessories.
Plus can hire less knowledgeable staff. Still sad to see the great 
resource go.

Previous -Galaxy 1982 34 c/B
Current J80
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Stus-List C&C 37 with spartite

[pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List]

I have a 1984 37’ and am considering using spartite.   

Has anyone done this on the this model?  How did you accommodate the tie down 
straps? 

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Re: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

[jim aridas via CnC-List]

Seemed like a weird business decision? But maybe much better markup in clothing 
and accessories.
Plus can hire less knowledgeable staff. Still sad to see the great resource go.
Previous -Galaxy 1982 34 c/B
Current J80
Jim Aridas Brielle NJ

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From: CnC-List  on behalf of Joel Aronson via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 11:15:22 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

Fawcetts is my go-to place for everything except line.  If you need an odd 
fastener, they will have it!  (Recently needed a 12 inch 3/8 stainless machine 
screw and it was in stock!)  Hopefully they will expand their offerings.  
Bacon's has a good selection of NER and Marlow, and focuses on the less 
expensive lines.

There are a number of lines with cheaper dyneema cores that have less stretch 
than poly, such as Marlow D2 Club.  Much cheaper than D2 Racer and certainly 
more than adequate for sheets.  MLX3 is a dyneema blended core that is nice too.

Joel

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:34 AM Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I’m discouraged that APS is no longer an outlet for sailboat hardware and 
rigging.  They had a very knowledgeable staff and were a great resource for 
most things relating to sailboat racing.  They were also one of the last 
bastions of supply for one design parts, especially smaller keelboat classes 
such as Etchells, J-24, J-80, and Sonars.  Someone may eventually come along 
and fill the gaps in the supply chain, but how and when is TBD.
I will say that there’s no shortage of places to buy line and would encourage 
former APS customers to look at Defender,  R&W Rope,  Landfall Navigation, or 
heaven forbid, your local rigger to supply you with the ropes you need for your 
C&C.  I think too many folks gravitate towards the “cheapest” option for buying 
cordage rather than the “best” option, all of which includes getting the right 
rope for the application rather than what’s on sale.  And as Josh discovered, 
the “sale price” of 20% off doesn’t amount to much if the regular price is 
already 20-25% higher than the local sailboat rigger would sell it to you.
I’ll miss making my annual pilgrimage to APS during the Annapolis Boat Show as 
I always enjoyed checking out the wide selection of cordage and hardware on 
hand at the store.  I do think its cool that Fawcetts is stepping up to service 
the performance sailors in Nap Town.  They’ve always been a high quality outlet 
for marine goods, but never much on servicing the racers in the past.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA
From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf 
Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 2:48 PM
To: C&C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

So I'm in the market for new jib sheets and my goto Annapolis Performance 
Sailing at APDLTD.COM keeps throwing 404 errors.  I call 
them up a describe the problem hoping that they can simply make the order over 
the phone.  The associate tells me that they no longer carry cordage of any 
type!  She goes on to tell me that they also no longer sell ANY hardware and no 
longer perform rigging services!  I ask, what do you carry? and she says, 
apparel/accessories only.  I was completely dumbfounded since they had 
seemingly had such a large presence in the sailing community, both locally and 
on the internet.  I expressed my disappointment and wished them luck with the 
new business model.

Upon hanging up, I called Fawcett's which has a very limited internet presence 
but phenomenal staff and selection.  Joe was extremely helpful, he ordered a 
spool of cordage just for me, and had the 100' I needed cut, whipped and 
shipped at a better price than that of West Marine Pro (which gave ~20% 
discount).  The price comparison was close and I will have to wait 2 weeks for 
them to get the spool but I'm not in a big rush and keeping the local business 
is valuable to me.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Bilge cleaner

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Yes, that's been my experience so far too. One area that is difficult to
get at though are those places between the hull and liner where water may
have entered and left mildew behind. For example, the area around the mast
step, head and shower pan on my 35-2. I cleaned what I could reach with
various implements, and then flushed out with a bleach solution, but I can
imagine that there are many such crevices needing a good cleaning...
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


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cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have used a variety of cleaners over the years and they all seem to do a
> similar job, i.e. they clean out anything relatively loose, but nothing
> will get out thick oil/algae/whatever scum but a person with some rags.
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Discouraged as well Chuck!  Just got my Etchells  3 months ago and as you say 
they had a great selection of goodies (which I tapped into quickly ) for these 
boats !  there were others things on the wish list I would have grabbed if I 
only knew of the consolidation ☹ Bummin

John Conklin


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Chuck Gilchrest via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:33:43 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

I’m discouraged that APS is no longer an outlet for sailboat hardware and 
rigging.  They had a very knowledgeable staff and were a great resource for 
most things relating to sailboat racing.  They were also one of the last 
bastions of supply for one design parts, especially smaller keelboat classes 
such as Etchells, J-24, J-80, and Sonars.  Someone may eventually come along 
and fill the gaps in the supply chain, but how and when is TBD.
I will say that there’s no shortage of places to buy line and would encourage 
former APS customers to look at Defender,  R&W Rope,  Landfall Navigation, or 
heaven forbid, your local rigger to supply you with the ropes you need for your 
C&C.  I think too many folks gravitate towards the “cheapest” option for buying 
cordage rather than the “best” option, all of which includes getting the right 
rope for the application rather than what’s on sale.  And as Josh discovered, 
the “sale price” of 20% off doesn’t amount to much if the regular price is 
already 20-25% higher than the local sailboat rigger would sell it to you.
I’ll miss making my annual pilgrimage to APS during the Annapolis Boat Show as 
I always enjoyed checking out the wide selection of cordage and hardware on 
hand at the store.  I do think its cool that Fawcetts is stepping up to service 
the performance sailors in Nap Town.  They’ve always been a high quality outlet 
for marine goods, but never much on servicing the racers in the past.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA
From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via 
CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 2:48 PM
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

So I'm in the market for new jib sheets and my goto Annapolis Performance 
Sailing at APDLTD.COM keeps throwing 404 errors.  I call 
them up a describe the problem hoping that they can simply make the order over 
the phone.  The associate tells me that they no longer carry cordage of any 
type!  She goes on to tell me that they also no longer sell ANY hardware and no 
longer perform rigging services!  I ask, what do you carry? and she says, 
apparel/accessories only.  I was completely dumbfounded since they had 
seemingly had such a large presence in the sailing community, both locally and 
on the internet.  I expressed my disappointment and wished them luck with the 
new business model.

Upon hanging up, I called Fawcett's which has a very limited internet presence 
but phenomenal staff and selection.  Joe was extremely helpful, he ordered a 
spool of cordage just for me, and had the 100' I needed cut, whipped and 
shipped at a better price than that of West Marine Pro (which gave ~20% 
discount).  The price comparison was close and I will have to wait 2 weeks for 
them to get the spool but I'm not in a big rush and keeping the local business 
is valuable to me.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I also like Rigging Only for line and hardware.  Worth checking before buying.

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 11:15 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

Fawcetts is my go-to place for everything except line.  If you need an odd 
fastener, they will have it!  (Recently needed a 12 inch 3/8 stainless machine 
screw and it was in stock!)  Hopefully they will expand their offerings.  
Bacon's has a good selection of NER and Marlow, and focuses on the less 
expensive lines. 

There are a number of lines with cheaper dyneema cores that have less stretch 
than poly, such as Marlow D2 Club.  Much cheaper than D2 Racer and certainly 
more than adequate for sheets.  MLX3 is a dyneema blended core that is nice too.

Joel

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:34 AM Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  I’m discouraged that APS is no longer an outlet for sailboat hardware and 
rigging.  They had a very knowledgeable staff and were a great resource for 
most things relating to sailboat racing.  They were also one of the last 
bastions of supply for one design parts, especially smaller keelboat classes 
such as Etchells, J-24, J-80, and Sonars.  Someone may eventually come along 
and fill the gaps in the supply chain, but how and when is TBD.

  I will say that there’s no shortage of places to buy line and would encourage 
former APS customers to look at Defender,  R&W Rope,  Landfall Navigation, or 
heaven forbid, your local rigger to supply you with the ropes you need for your 
C&C.  I think too many folks gravitate towards the “cheapest” option for buying 
cordage rather than the “best” option, all of which includes getting the right 
rope for the application rather than what’s on sale.  And as Josh discovered, 
the “sale price” of 20% off doesn’t amount to much if the regular price is 
already 20-25% higher than the local sailboat rigger would sell it to you.

  I’ll miss making my annual pilgrimage to APS during the Annapolis Boat Show 
as I always enjoyed checking out the wide selection of cordage and hardware on 
hand at the store.  I do think its cool that Fawcetts is stepping up to service 
the performance sailors in Nap Town.  They’ve always been a high quality outlet 
for marine goods, but never much on servicing the racers in the past.

  Chuck Gilchrest

  S/V Half Magic

  1983 35 Landfall

  Padanaram, MA

  From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via 
CnC-List
  Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 2:48 PM
  To: C&C List 
  Cc: Josh Muckley 
  Subject: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!



  So I'm in the market for new jib sheets and my goto Annapolis Performance 
Sailing at APDLTD.COM keeps throwing 404 errors.  I call them up a describe the 
problem hoping that they can simply make the order over the phone.  The 
associate tells me that they no longer carry cordage of any type!  She goes on 
to tell me that they also no longer sell ANY hardware and no longer perform 
rigging services!  I ask, what do you carry? and she says, apparel/accessories 
only.  I was completely dumbfounded since they had seemingly had such a large 
presence in the sailing community, both locally and on the internet.  I 
expressed my disappointment and wished them luck with the new business model.



  Upon hanging up, I called Fawcett's which has a very limited internet 
presence but phenomenal staff and selection.  Joe was extremely helpful, he 
ordered a spool of cordage just for me, and had the 100' I needed cut, whipped 
and shipped at a better price than that of West Marine Pro (which gave ~20% 
discount).  The price comparison was close and I will have to wait 2 weeks for 
them to get the spool but I'm not in a big rush and keeping the local business 
is valuable to me.



  Josh Muckley 

  S/V Sea Hawk 

  1989 C&C 37+

  Solomons, MD 

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Re: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Fawcetts is my go-to place for everything except line.  If you need an odd
fastener, they will have it!  (Recently needed a 12 inch 3/8 stainless
machine screw and it was in stock!)  Hopefully they will expand their
offerings.  Bacon's has a good selection of NER and Marlow, and focuses on
the less expensive lines.

There are a number of lines with cheaper dyneema cores that have less
stretch than poly, such as Marlow D2 Club.  Much cheaper than D2 Racer and
certainly more than adequate for sheets.  MLX3 is a dyneema blended core
that is nice too.

Joel

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:34 AM Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’m discouraged that APS is no longer an outlet for sailboat hardware and
> rigging.  They had a very knowledgeable staff and were a great resource for
> most things relating to sailboat racing.  They were also one of the last
> bastions of supply for one design parts, especially smaller keelboat
> classes such as Etchells, J-24, J-80, and Sonars.  Someone may eventually
> come along and fill the gaps in the supply chain, but how and when is TBD.
>
> I will say that there’s no shortage of places to buy line and would
> encourage former APS customers to look at Defender,  R&W Rope,  Landfall
> Navigation, or heaven forbid, your local rigger to supply you with the
> ropes you need for your C&C.  I think too many folks gravitate towards the
> “cheapest” option for buying cordage rather than the “best” option, all of
> which includes getting the right rope for the application rather than
> what’s on sale.  And as Josh discovered, the “sale price” of 20% off
> doesn’t amount to much if the regular price is already 20-25% higher than
> the local sailboat rigger would sell it to you.
>
> I’ll miss making my annual pilgrimage to APS during the Annapolis Boat
> Show as I always enjoyed checking out the wide selection of cordage and
> hardware on hand at the store.  I do think its cool that Fawcetts is
> stepping up to service the performance sailors in Nap Town.  They’ve always
> been a high quality outlet for marine goods, but never much on servicing
> the racers in the past.
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V Half Magic
>
> 1983 35 Landfall
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2019 2:48 PM
> *To:* C&C List 
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!
>
>
>
> So I'm in the market for new jib sheets and my goto Annapolis Performance
> Sailing at APDLTD.COM keeps throwing 404 errors.  I call them up a
> describe the problem hoping that they can simply make the order over the
> phone.  The associate tells me that they no longer carry cordage of any
> type!  She goes on to tell me that they also no longer sell ANY hardware
> and no longer perform rigging services!  I ask, what do you carry? and she
> says, apparel/accessories only.  I was completely dumbfounded since they
> had seemingly had such a large presence in the sailing community, both
> locally and on the internet.  I expressed my disappointment and wished them
> luck with the new business model.
>
>
>
> Upon hanging up, I called Fawcett's which has a very limited internet
> presence but phenomenal staff and selection.  Joe was extremely helpful, he
> ordered a spool of cordage just for me, and had the 100' I needed cut,
> whipped and shipped at a better price than that of West Marine Pro (which
> gave ~20% discount).  The price comparison was close and I will have to
> wait 2 weeks for them to get the spool but I'm not in a big rush and
> keeping the local business is valuable to me.
>
>
>
> Josh Muckley
>
> S/V Sea Hawk
>
> 1989 C&C 37+
>
> Solomons, MD
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>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
>

-- 
Joel
301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 Windstar projects blog updated

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Lots of great ideas here! Thanks for sharing.
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:42 PM Dave S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/p/livability.html
>
>
>
> Evening all.   Finally updated my blog, and included a master list of
> projects.  Almost caught up.  Tons of little projects here.
>
>
>
> Enjoy.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

I’m discouraged that APS is no longer an outlet for sailboat hardware and 
rigging.  They had a very knowledgeable staff and were a great resource for 
most things relating to sailboat racing.  They were also one of the last 
bastions of supply for one design parts, especially smaller keelboat classes 
such as Etchells, J-24, J-80, and Sonars.  Someone may eventually come along 
and fill the gaps in the supply chain, but how and when is TBD.

I will say that there’s no shortage of places to buy line and would encourage 
former APS customers to look at Defender,  R&W Rope,  Landfall Navigation, or 
heaven forbid, your local rigger to supply you with the ropes you need for your 
C&C.  I think too many folks gravitate towards the “cheapest” option for buying 
cordage rather than the “best” option, all of which includes getting the right 
rope for the application rather than what’s on sale.  And as Josh discovered, 
the “sale price” of 20% off doesn’t amount to much if the regular price is 
already 20-25% higher than the local sailboat rigger would sell it to you.

I’ll miss making my annual pilgrimage to APS during the Annapolis Boat Show as 
I always enjoyed checking out the wide selection of cordage and hardware on 
hand at the store.  I do think its cool that Fawcetts is stepping up to service 
the performance sailors in Nap Town.  They’ve always been a high quality outlet 
for marine goods, but never much on servicing the racers in the past.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via 
CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 2:48 PM
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!

 

So I'm in the market for new jib sheets and my goto Annapolis Performance 
Sailing at APDLTD.COM   keeps throwing 404 errors.  I call 
them up a describe the problem hoping that they can simply make the order over 
the phone.  The associate tells me that they no longer carry cordage of any 
type!  She goes on to tell me that they also no longer sell ANY hardware and no 
longer perform rigging services!  I ask, what do you carry? and she says, 
apparel/accessories only.  I was completely dumbfounded since they had 
seemingly had such a large presence in the sailing community, both locally and 
on the internet.  I expressed my disappointment and wished them luck with the 
new business model.

 

Upon hanging up, I called Fawcett's which has a very limited internet presence 
but phenomenal staff and selection.  Joe was extremely helpful, he ordered a 
spool of cordage just for me, and had the 100' I needed cut, whipped and 
shipped at a better price than that of West Marine Pro (which gave ~20% 
discount).  The price comparison was close and I will have to wait 2 weeks for 
them to get the spool but I'm not in a big rush and keeping the local business 
is valuable to me.

 

Josh Muckley 

S/V Sea Hawk 

1989 C&C 37+

Solomons, MD 

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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C&C Rendezvous

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Do we get 4 people or 4 boats per member?

Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: Josh Muckley [mailto:muckl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 5:18 PM
To: C&C List 
Cc: rick bushie ; Gary Nylander 
; Brian Fry ; Della Barba, Joe 

Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C&C 
Rendezvous

Joe's membership has 4 spots.  1 for him and 3 remaining available as guests.  
My wife and I are taking 2 and I have planned for Rick Bushie to take the last 
one.

Brian Fry and wife are planned for taking 2 spots on Gary Nylander's members 
leaving 2 there.  If anybody needs to register for a slip tell the dockmaster 
Josh Atwood at 410-746-4946 that you are joining for the C&C Rendezvous and 
guests of Gary Nylander so that Josh can make sure to put you with the group.

Text/voice questions for me:
443-295-3238


All the best,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 4:59 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I am signed up. Go ahead now and register.
Joe
Coquina
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2019, at 14:26, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
That should be no problem. I know Jamie (owner) quite well. I’ll arrange it.
Gary

From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf 
Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C&C Rendezvous

I am going this afternoon to sign up for the Maritime Museum.
My understanding is this supports 4 boats including me, so Tuesday we should be 
able to sign up 3 more.
I saw these people at our local farmer’s market:
http://lyondistilling.com/
They are in Saint Mike’s and might be persuaded to do a tour.

Joe
Coquina

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Re: Stus-List Bilge cleaner

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have used a variety of cleaners over the years and they all seem to do a 
similar job, i.e. they clean out anything relatively loose, but nothing will 
get out thick oil/algae/whatever scum but a person with some rags.
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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