Stus-List Re: New sails?????

[Matthew L. Wolford]

I have three North sails, I believe all from Sri Lanka.  My NorDac main was 
made incorrectly, and my chute came with a 3-digit instead of 5-digit sail 
number.  Although off-season service has been okay, I’m done with North due to 
price and QA/QC problems.  My go-to Genoa is a Doyle.  Don’t know where it was 
made, but I’m very happy with it.  Don’t know anything about Quantum.

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> On Dec 15, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:
> 
> Ted,
> 
> I would go with Doyle. Nothing beats having a local sailmaker to come out and 
> measure and adjust after the sails are on — you may need to have a spreader 
> patch moved, add tell tales, whatever. Local is best. 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Ted_Relinda--- via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Question to the group. 
> 
> I am getting a new set of cruising sails for our 40.   My choice is going to 
> be between Doyle or Quantum. I have had Doyle sail before and their service 
> and quality were great. Made in St.Pete Fl. right up the road. 100 miles. 
> Quantum sails with almost identical specs comes in about 400 bucks lower but 
> are made in Sri  Lanka. Service is relatively close on on the east coast of 
> Fl. Given between the two, what might you buy. 
> Has anybody had experience with the SriLanka sails. It's my understanding 
> that several lofts and a lot of sails come from there. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Ted
> S/V Ten-Ten
> Punta Gorda, Fl. 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Radar mounting options

[Shawn Wright]

Thanks, Martin, Blair and Chuck for this great information; I will spend
some time going over it and hopefully begin to make some progress on the
rapidly growing project list soon. So far the only progress I've been able
to make is to grow the list... :)

With short winter days, and very limited access to the workshops at our
club, it may be a while before I can actually tackle some of the bigger
jobs, but I hope to at least formulate a plan.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Brian Davis 
wrote:

> Well written, Chuck. I appreciate thus thread since this type of project
> is on my radar of things to do. (Pun intended)
>
> Regards,
> Brian
> 1980 Landfall 38SL (hull # 068)
> West Palm Beach, FL
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 10:10 AM  wrote:
>
>> Shawn,
>>
>> I worked at Edson for many years and we sold both mast and pole mounted
>> solutions for radar.  As such, I would get lots of feedback regarding the
>> benefits and down sides of fixed vs. tilt arrangements along with the
>> location.  I’ve also got an ancient Raytheon 1200 series radar and dome on
>> Half Magic (Landfall 35) on an equally ancient fixed mast mount.
>>
>> So to start, there’s always the issue of sail damage while tacking with a
>> mast mount.  Even if you put a “guard” around the radome, you’ll always get
>> some contact when tacking.  Should your sail be one of those black jobs or
>> a nifty molded sail that costs upwards of a college tuition, I would
>> generally pass on mounting the dome on a mast.  The other aspect of lofting
>> the dome 25’ above the deck is the loss of radar “vision” when maneuvering
>> through a crowded harbor in the fog.  If the red nun that you’ve tracked on
>> the screen disappears at 50 yards distance because your radar looks “over”
>> the object, that can be a bit problematic.  Fortunately for us, Half
>> Magic’s dome is mounted at the spreader (only one set on the boat) and
>> that’s only about 15’ above the deck.  If I upgrade the radar I’m thinking
>> I will probably install the dome on a pole that can serve double duty as a
>> lifting hoist for the dinghy outboard.  We ain’t getting any younger!
>>
>> The pole too has some limitations, specifically with the mast creating a
>> blind spot on the screen.  I don’t know if I spend enough time sailing in
>> low visibility situations to justify a self levelling system.  Most of the
>> time when I need radar (fog, nightime), I’m not heeled over and more times
>> than not, motoring.  In part that is because my radar sucks so much power
>> (an old CRT display mounted at the Nav Station) that I can run down the
>> batteries very easily if I use the radar for hours on end.  The issue of
>> work hardening the wires on a self levelling gimbled unit is quite valid.
>> Copper wire doesn’t like to be bent repeatedly and replacing cables every
>> few years doesn’t sound attractive to me.  Several folks have had issue
>> with disassembly of back stay mounts every time they unstep the mast.
>>
>> I guess there’s issues with every solution, you just need to prioritize
>> what you think would be better on Calypso.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Chuck Gilchrest
>>
>> S/V Half Magic
>>
>> 83 Landfall 35
>>
>> Padanaram, MA
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Shawn Wright 
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 4:50 PM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Radar mounting options
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> During the rendezvous, there was a brief discussion about radar and
>> mounting options. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts and experiences
>> with radar, and which mounting location (mast, backstay, or on pole/arch
>> aft of cockpit) you prefer, and why.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our 35 had a radome mounted on a pole just off centre from aft deck,
>> supported by the pushpit rail. It had been removed when we bought her, and
>> now with larger solar panels, I'm not sure this is a good location due to
>> shading issues (although I might be able to resolve this with a re-designed
>> arch, or push it far enough aft to prevent shading the panels.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've seen a few backstay mounts, but haven't looked closely at them. I
>> imagine there will be some shading issues, but perhaps a bit less depending
>> on how high the radome is mounted.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mast mounting seems fairly straightforward with the right bracket, and
>> since I am planning to pull my mast soon for a re-wire and inspection, I
>> will have a good opportunity to explore this option.
>>
>>
>>
>> My dock neighbour has his on a pole, and removes it for racing or when
>> not needed, so this is one advantage of pole or backstay mounting - easy
>> removal. I probably would leave it on for year round sailing, but would
>> likely take it with us to our next boat unless the buyer specifically wants
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>> As far as brand, I went with a B Vulcan 9 package with wind, compass
>> and DST, so this means I will need a Navico unit: 3G, 4G 

Stus-List Re: New sails?????

[Hoyt, Mike]

I am not from DArtmouth, MA but our boat is.  The Quantum Fusion main and the 
quantu, jib and asym are very good quality.  In particular the main is 
outstanding.  Was one year old when we purchased Persistence and still looks 
almost like new after 8 seasons of use. +1 for the workmanship ayt that loft


Mike Hoyt

Persistence

HAlifax, NS

www.hoytsailing.com



From: csgilchr...@comcast.net 
Sent: December 15, 2020 6:38 PM
To: 'Stus-List'
Subject: Stus-List Re: New sails?


+1 on the Doyle choice.  Our Doyle loft in Dartmouth, MA just went under after 
over 40 years in the biz which is leaving a big hole in the local sailing 
community.  Yes we’ve got both North and Quantum if you want to go to Bristol 
or Portsmouth, RI, but there was nothing better than dropping off a spinnaker 
that you managed to rip on Wednesday night beer can race and they’d have it for 
you to pick up on Saturday morning before the weekend regatta.

Keep it local if you can and although we’re sailors and cheap by nature (the 
wind is free and everything else should be too, right?) the local loft can’t 
stay in business if they are being asked to price match an Asian made product 
offered by a big conglomerate company.  Just my .02

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

Padanaram, MA



From: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 5:11 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: New sails?



Ted,



I would go with Doyle. Nothing beats having a local sailmaker to come out and 
measure and adjust after the sails are on — you may need to have a spreader 
patch moved, add tell tales, whatever. Local is best.

All the best,



Edd





Edd M. Schillay

Captain of the Starship Enterprise

C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
















On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Ted_Relinda--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Question to the group.



I am getting a new set of cruising sails for our 40.   My choice is going to be 
between Doyle or Quantum. I have had Doyle sail before and their service and 
quality were great. Made in St.Pete Fl. right up the road. 100 miles.

Quantum sails with almost identical specs comes in about 400 bucks lower but 
are made in Sri  Lanka. Service is relatively close on on the east coast of Fl. 
Given between the two, what might you buy.

Has anybody had experience with the SriLanka sails. It's my understanding that 
several lofts and a lot of sails come from there.



Thanks



Ted

S/V Ten-Ten

Punta Gorda, Fl.

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Stus-List Re: Roller furling genoa

[Joel Delamirande]

Harken some says it a great brand
On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:08 PM Joel Aronson  wrote:

> John
>
> if bacon has anything I would be happy to look it over for you.
>
> Joel
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:01 PM John and Maryann Read <
> johnprea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all – Am in the market for a new or new to me genoa for our C 34
>> roller furler.  Looking for any you all might have or your
>> recommendation(s) for where best to buy new.  Nearest lofts are over an
>> hour’s drive from here in Newport RI or downstate CT.  Have checked out
>> Bacon
>>
>> The 34 dimensions are I = 44 and J=14
>>
>> Ideally would be a 110 to 120% higher clew working jib with blue cover
>>
>>
>>
>> Approximate sail dimensions luff 33 (to account for roller furl drum),
>> leach 30, foot 20 , LP 17
>>
>>
>>
>> TIA
>>
>>
>>
>> John and Maryann
>>
>> Legacy III
>>
>> 1982 C 34
>>
>> Noank, CT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
> --
> Joel
>
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-- 
Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *
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Stus-List Re: New sail for 34

[John McCrea]

John,

 

Talisman came with a brand new Doyle unused main and 130 when we bought her 
three years ago. I am very impressed with the sails and we still have an older 
150 that is in great shape. They are from the Newport loft. 

 

John D. McCrea

 

 

From: John and Maryann Read  
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 7:21 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Subject: Stus-List New sail for 34

 

In the market for a new or new to me rolling furler genoa – prefer a 110 or 
115. 

 

Nearest sail lofts are in Newport about an hour drive.  North, Quantum, Doyle, 
Jasper & Bailey,  and others.  Also Bacon has a new dacron made by Precision 
with foam luff and UV covers that will fit

 

Any experiences that can be shared?

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

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Stus-List New sail for 34

[John and Maryann Read]

In the market for a new or new to me rolling furler genoa – prefer a 110 or 
115. 

 

Nearest sail lofts are in Newport about an hour drive.  North, Quantum, Doyle, 
Jasper & Bailey,  and others.  Also Bacon has a new dacron made by Precision 
with foam luff and UV covers that will fit

 

Any experiences that can be shared?

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

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Stus-List Re: New sails?????

[csgilchrest]

+1 on the Doyle choice.  Our Doyle loft in Dartmouth, MA just went under after 
over 40 years in the biz which is leaving a big hole in the local sailing 
community.  Yes we’ve got both North and Quantum if you want to go to Bristol 
or Portsmouth, RI, but there was nothing better than dropping off a spinnaker 
that you managed to rip on Wednesday night beer can race and they’d have it for 
you to pick up on Saturday morning before the weekend regatta.  

Keep it local if you can and although we’re sailors and cheap by nature (the 
wind is free and everything else should be too, right?) the local loft can’t 
stay in business if they are being asked to price match an Asian made product 
offered by a big conglomerate company.  Just my .02

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

Padanaram, MA

 

From: Edd Schillay  
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 5:11 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: New sails?

 

Ted,

 

I would go with Doyle. Nothing beats having a local sailmaker to come out and 
measure and adjust after the sails are on — you may need to have a spreader 
patch moved, add tell tales, whatever. Local is best. 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Captain of the Starship Enterprise

C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

 








 






 

On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Ted_Relinda--- via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Question to the group. 

 

I am getting a new set of cruising sails for our 40.   My choice is going to be 
between Doyle or Quantum. I have had Doyle sail before and their service and 
quality were great. Made in St.Pete Fl. right up the road. 100 miles. 

Quantum sails with almost identical specs comes in about 400 bucks lower but 
are made in Sri  Lanka. Service is relatively close on on the east coast of Fl. 
Given between the two, what might you buy. 

Has anybody had experience with the SriLanka sails. It's my understanding that 
several lofts and a lot of sails come from there. 

 

Thanks

 

Ted

S/V Ten-Ten

Punta Gorda, Fl. 

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 

 

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Stus-List Re: New sails?????

[Dennis C.]

I just bought a 155% cruising genoa made in the Quantum factory in Sri
Lanka.  It was measured and bought through a local loft in Pensacola.  It
was significantly less expensive than quotes I got from other local lofts.
A few years ago, I bought a Kevlar/Mylar racing 155% from the North loft in
New Orleans.  It was made in the North Sri Lanka factory.  No issues with
either sail.  Quality on the North seemed slightly better but then again,
it was a racing sail, not a cruising sail.

Moral and political issues aside, I don't have a problem with offshore sail
manufacture from a quality standpoint.  As long as the sail is measured,
designed and backed by a local loft, it is not that important to me who
actually assembles the sail.  I strongly suspect that the offshore
factories owned by the large US sail companies have stringent manufacturing
and quality procedures.

I've bought a lot of sails over the years.  The only issues I've
encountered were assembly omissions by local lofts.
  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 3:26 PM Ted_Relinda--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Question to the group.
>
> I am getting a new set of cruising sails for our 40.   My choice is going
> to be between Doyle or Quantum. I have had Doyle sail before and their
> service and quality were great. Made in St.Pete Fl. right up the road. 100
> miles.
> Quantum sails with almost identical specs comes in about 400 bucks lower
> but are made in Sri  Lanka. Service is relatively close on on the east
> coast of Fl. Given between the two, what might you buy.
> Has anybody had experience with the SriLanka sails. It's my understanding
> that several lofts and a lot of sails come from there.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ted
> S/V Ten-Ten
> Punta Gorda, Fl.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: New sails?????

[Tom Buscaglia]

I got an Asymmetrical for my prior boat, Jubilee, 
a 71 36 MK 1, from Dirk Sharland at National Sail 
Supply, LLC (Rolly Tasker Sails, Florida), 26092 
Withrow Rd, Brooksville, FL 34601, 1-800-611-3823. fax 813-200-1385


Rolly Tasker makes a lot of sails for other 
"sailmakers" around the world.  Dirk used to work 
at the loft in and has a very close relationship 
to Rolly Taskler in Thailand.  His price and 
service were spot on and I have no problem recommending them.


Tom B

.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


At 01:25 PM 12/15/2020, you wrote:

Question to the group.

I am getting a new set of cruising sails for our 
40.   My choice is going to be between Doyle or 
Quantum. I have had Doyle sail before and their 
service and quality were great. Made in St.Pete 
Fl. right up the road. 100 miles.
Quantum sails with almost identical specs comes 
in about 400 bucks lower but are made in 
Sri  Lanka. Service is relatively close on on 
the east coast of Fl. Given between the two, what might you buy.
Has anybody had experience with the SriLanka 
sails. It's my understanding that several lofts 
and a lot of sails come from there.


Thanks

Ted
S/V Ten-Ten
Punta Gorda, Fl.

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from Yahoo Mail on Android
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the list - use PayPal to send contribution 
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Stus-List Re: New sails?????

[Edd Schillay]

Ted,

I would go with Doyle. Nothing beats having a local sailmaker to come out and 
measure and adjust after the sails are on — you may need to have a spreader 
patch moved, add tell tales, whatever. Local is best. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL











On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Ted_Relinda--- via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Question to the group. 

I am getting a new set of cruising sails for our 40.   My choice is going to be 
between Doyle or Quantum. I have had Doyle sail before and their service and 
quality were great. Made in St.Pete Fl. right up the road. 100 miles. 
Quantum sails with almost identical specs comes in about 400 bucks lower but 
are made in Sri  Lanka. Service is relatively close on on the east coast of Fl. 
Given between the two, what might you buy. 
Has anybody had experience with the SriLanka sails. It's my understanding that 
several lofts and a lot of sails come from there. 

Thanks

Ted
S/V Ten-Ten
Punta Gorda, Fl. 

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
Thanks
 to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs 
involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send 
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Stus-List Re: New sails?????

[Nathan Post]

Ted,
You can likely negotiate with Doyle if you haven't already got them as low
as they would go (I have with Doyle up here in MA and didn't even have a
comparable quote although I had looked at precision's website - I just told
them that the asymmetrical spin I had them quote was out of my budget and
gave a number that was significantly less and they met my price).  So I
suggest talking to them and seeing if they can beat your quote from
Quantum).  I have definitely been happy with Doyle quality and service here
in New England.  No experience with Quantum but local manufacturing is
definitely nice when you can do it.
Nathan
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34 CB
Lynn MA USA
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Stus-List New sails?????

[Ted_Relinda--- via CnC-List]

Question to the group. 
I am getting a new set of cruising sails for our 40.   My choice is going to be 
between Doyle or Quantum. I have had Doyle sail before and their service and 
quality were great. Made in St.Pete Fl. right up the road. 100 miles. Quantum 
sails with almost identical specs comes in about 400 bucks lower but are made 
in Sri  Lanka. Service is relatively close on on the east coast of Fl. Given 
between the two, what might you buy. Has anybody had experience with the 
SriLanka sails. It's my understanding that several lofts and a lot of sails 
come from there. 
Thanks
TedS/V Ten-TenPunta Gorda, Fl. 

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Stus-List Re: Radar mounting options

[Brian Davis]

Well written, Chuck. I appreciate thus thread since this type of project is
on my radar of things to do. (Pun intended)

Regards,
Brian
1980 Landfall 38SL (hull # 068)
West Palm Beach, FL

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 10:10 AM  wrote:

> Shawn,
>
> I worked at Edson for many years and we sold both mast and pole mounted
> solutions for radar.  As such, I would get lots of feedback regarding the
> benefits and down sides of fixed vs. tilt arrangements along with the
> location.  I’ve also got an ancient Raytheon 1200 series radar and dome on
> Half Magic (Landfall 35) on an equally ancient fixed mast mount.
>
> So to start, there’s always the issue of sail damage while tacking with a
> mast mount.  Even if you put a “guard” around the radome, you’ll always get
> some contact when tacking.  Should your sail be one of those black jobs or
> a nifty molded sail that costs upwards of a college tuition, I would
> generally pass on mounting the dome on a mast.  The other aspect of lofting
> the dome 25’ above the deck is the loss of radar “vision” when maneuvering
> through a crowded harbor in the fog.  If the red nun that you’ve tracked on
> the screen disappears at 50 yards distance because your radar looks “over”
> the object, that can be a bit problematic.  Fortunately for us, Half
> Magic’s dome is mounted at the spreader (only one set on the boat) and
> that’s only about 15’ above the deck.  If I upgrade the radar I’m thinking
> I will probably install the dome on a pole that can serve double duty as a
> lifting hoist for the dinghy outboard.  We ain’t getting any younger!
>
> The pole too has some limitations, specifically with the mast creating a
> blind spot on the screen.  I don’t know if I spend enough time sailing in
> low visibility situations to justify a self levelling system.  Most of the
> time when I need radar (fog, nightime), I’m not heeled over and more times
> than not, motoring.  In part that is because my radar sucks so much power
> (an old CRT display mounted at the Nav Station) that I can run down the
> batteries very easily if I use the radar for hours on end.  The issue of
> work hardening the wires on a self levelling gimbled unit is quite valid.
> Copper wire doesn’t like to be bent repeatedly and replacing cables every
> few years doesn’t sound attractive to me.  Several folks have had issue
> with disassembly of back stay mounts every time they unstep the mast.
>
> I guess there’s issues with every solution, you just need to prioritize
> what you think would be better on Calypso.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V Half Magic
>
> 83 Landfall 35
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
>
>
> *From:* Shawn Wright 
> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 4:50 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Radar mounting options
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> During the rendezvous, there was a brief discussion about radar and
> mounting options. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts and experiences
> with radar, and which mounting location (mast, backstay, or on pole/arch
> aft of cockpit) you prefer, and why.
>
>
>
> Our 35 had a radome mounted on a pole just off centre from aft deck,
> supported by the pushpit rail. It had been removed when we bought her, and
> now with larger solar panels, I'm not sure this is a good location due to
> shading issues (although I might be able to resolve this with a re-designed
> arch, or push it far enough aft to prevent shading the panels.
>
>
>
> I've seen a few backstay mounts, but haven't looked closely at them. I
> imagine there will be some shading issues, but perhaps a bit less depending
> on how high the radome is mounted.
>
>
>
> Mast mounting seems fairly straightforward with the right bracket, and
> since I am planning to pull my mast soon for a re-wire and inspection, I
> will have a good opportunity to explore this option.
>
>
>
> My dock neighbour has his on a pole, and removes it for racing or when not
> needed, so this is one advantage of pole or backstay mounting - easy
> removal. I probably would leave it on for year round sailing, but would
> likely take it with us to our next boat unless the buyer specifically wants
> it.
>
>
>
> As far as brand, I went with a B Vulcan 9 package with wind, compass and
> DST, so this means I will need a Navico unit: 3G, 4G or Halo (Simrad,
> Lowrance or B).
>
>
>
> Although we've only had perhaps 5-6 days in the past two seasons where
> radar would have been useful, with a planned trip around Vancouver Island
> from June-August of 2021, we anticipate some foggy (or smoky) days in
> waters that will be a bit more challenging, and also new to us.
>
>
>
> Would love to hear your thoughts...
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> --
>
> Shawn Wright
>
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
>
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   

Stus-List Re: Calypso 1971 C 43 update

[jarel]

Hi Martin,

 

I don't have a lot in hand at the moment, but there is some on the boat down
in Cali. When I go down I will collect and forward anything pertinent.


JP

 

From: Martin DeYoung  
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:46 AM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Calypso 1971 C 43 update

 

JP,

 

If you have some historical info for Althea I will add it to the spreadsheet
I have detailing the 43 ownership history and send you a copy.

 

Martin DeYoung

martin.deyo...@outlook.com  

Calypso

1971 C 43

Seattle/Port Ludlow

 

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10

 

From: ja...@jpiworldwide.com  
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 9:16 AM
To: 'Stus-List'  
Subject: Stus-List Re: Calypso 1971 C 43 update

 

Geez,

 

I can't wait to get Althea up here.. You guys are making me jealous. 


JP

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Stus-List Re: Calypso 1971 C 43 update

[Martin DeYoung]

JP,

If you have some historical info for Althea I will add it to the spreadsheet I 
have detailing the 43 ownership history and send you a copy.

Martin DeYoung
martin.deyo...@outlook.com
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle/Port Ludlow

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From: ja...@jpiworldwide.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 9:16 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Subject: Stus-List Re: Calypso 1971 C 43 update

Geez,

I can’t wait to get Althea up here…. You guys are making me jealous.

JP
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Stus-List Re: Calypso 1971 C 43 update

[jarel]

Geez,

 

I can't wait to get Althea up here.. You guys are making me jealous. 


JP

 

From: Martin DeYoung  
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 5:53 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Calypso 1971 C 43 update

 

Ron,

 

Yes, it would have been Esta Es at Mackinaw in 1997.  The owner was Gene
McCarthy.  Gene's son Glenn would have also been involved.

 

Calypso as "Esta Es (1986 to 1998 based out of the Chicago area) and as
"Phantom" (1978 to 1986, Walsh family based out of the Green Bay area)
participated in many Chicago/Mac races.  I have not found a good source of
the historical results to have an accurate count but my guess is the boat
has raced the Chi/Mac more than 10 times based on past owner comments and
artifacts found onboard.

 

I also expect a C 43 would be a little too big for easy use on Carlyle
Lake.  I have zero interest in taking Calypso into Lake Washington as it is
my preference to sail on one tack for long enough to eat a sandwich.  Puget
sound is big enough but these 43s seemed to be designed for offshore
passages.

 

A few years back we participated in the double handed pursuit race named
"Race to the Straits" (R2S) that started in Seattle on Saturday morning. The
Saturday race course finishes in Port Townsend (+-30 miles).  The fleet
stays the night in PT and enjoys a catered dinner/awards presentation.
Sunday AM the race starts in PT and finishes in Seattle. (Several years we
had 2 or 3 C 43 entered.) It is a popular race that "sells out" each year
with around 100 entries.

 

Often the race course presents significant adverse current. Naturally this
means much "short tacking" the shore to gain some relief.  The last R2S
Calypso entered started in heavy #1 headsail (150%) conditions.  By the time
we passed Double Bluff (1/2 way mark) I was gassed enough to be close to
mutiny and stated we were going to sail on one tack for a few miles. I
estimate I did 22 tacks that day.

 

Martin DeYoung

Calypso

1971 C 43

Seattle/Port Ludlow

 

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From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 2:09 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker  
Subject: Stus-List Re: Calypso 1971 C 43 update

 

I got a chance to board her, as Esta Es IIRC, at Mackinaw Island after a Mac
race in maybe '97.  I was on a C 30.  A crewmember of our boat, who also
owned a C 30, came with me to see her.  What a beautiful boat!  After
that, it was all he could talk about.  He wanted to buy one and bring it to
Carlyle Lake.  Might have been a little too big for Carlyle, although he did
later bring an Express 37 to the lake.

Ron

Wild Cheri

C 30-1

STL

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Stus-List Re: C 43, the list

[Joel Delamirande]

Do u have me on your list for 30
I can give others that are not in this group for 30

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:11 PM JohnKelly Cuthbertson <
j...@motiondesignslimited.com> wrote:

> So far...
> Here's my list with a few gaps
>
> 1971 #1 Calypso - Esta Es - Phantom - Arieto,
> 1971 #2 Carmanah - Destination,
> 1971 #3 Mme. Caprice,
> 1971 #4 Endurance,
> 1972 #5 Evening Star - Dry Fly - Avanti II,
> 1972  Alethea - Orange Peel - Alethea,
> 1972  Pretty Woman - Blythe,
> 1973 #8 Rampage,
> 1973 #9 The Butterfly - Common Sense,
> 1973 #10 XDimension - Night Train,
>   #11 Finesse,
> 1974Sanfire,
> 1974 #13 Gollywog - Usual Suspect,
>   #14
> 1974 #15 Long Reach,
>
> Names with no hulls  Gandy Dancer, Kantama, Ectazy   I have seen them with
> certain ones, but can't find any documentation.
>
> JK
>
>
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> - Stu

-- 
Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *
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Stus-List Re: Radar mounting options

[csgilchrest]

Shawn,

I worked at Edson for many years and we sold both mast and pole mounted 
solutions for radar.  As such, I would get lots of feedback regarding the 
benefits and down sides of fixed vs. tilt arrangements along with the location. 
 I’ve also got an ancient Raytheon 1200 series radar and dome on Half Magic 
(Landfall 35) on an equally ancient fixed mast mount.

So to start, there’s always the issue of sail damage while tacking with a mast 
mount.  Even if you put a “guard” around the radome, you’ll always get some 
contact when tacking.  Should your sail be one of those black jobs or a nifty 
molded sail that costs upwards of a college tuition, I would generally pass on 
mounting the dome on a mast.  The other aspect of lofting the dome 25’ above 
the deck is the loss of radar “vision” when maneuvering through a crowded 
harbor in the fog.  If the red nun that you’ve tracked on the screen disappears 
at 50 yards distance because your radar looks “over” the object, that can be a 
bit problematic.  Fortunately for us, Half Magic’s dome is mounted at the 
spreader (only one set on the boat) and that’s only about 15’ above the deck.  
If I upgrade the radar I’m thinking I will probably install the dome on a pole 
that can serve double duty as a lifting hoist for the dinghy outboard.  We 
ain’t getting any younger!

The pole too has some limitations, specifically with the mast creating a blind 
spot on the screen.  I don’t know if I spend enough time sailing in low 
visibility situations to justify a self levelling system.  Most of the time 
when I need radar (fog, nightime), I’m not heeled over and more times than not, 
motoring.  In part that is because my radar sucks so much power (an old CRT 
display mounted at the Nav Station) that I can run down the batteries very 
easily if I use the radar for hours on end.  The issue of work hardening the 
wires on a self levelling gimbled unit is quite valid.  Copper wire doesn’t 
like to be bent repeatedly and replacing cables every few years doesn’t sound 
attractive to me.  Several folks have had issue with disassembly of back stay 
mounts every time they unstep the mast.

I guess there’s issues with every solution, you just need to prioritize what 
you think would be better on Calypso.

Good luck!

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

83 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: Shawn Wright  
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 4:50 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Radar mounting options

 

Hello all,

 

During the rendezvous, there was a brief discussion about radar and mounting 
options. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts and experiences with radar, 
and which mounting location (mast, backstay, or on pole/arch aft of cockpit) 
you prefer, and why.

 

Our 35 had a radome mounted on a pole just off centre from aft deck, supported 
by the pushpit rail. It had been removed when we bought her, and now with 
larger solar panels, I'm not sure this is a good location due to shading issues 
(although I might be able to resolve this with a re-designed arch, or push it 
far enough aft to prevent shading the panels.

 

I've seen a few backstay mounts, but haven't looked closely at them. I imagine 
there will be some shading issues, but perhaps a bit less depending on how high 
the radome is mounted.

 

Mast mounting seems fairly straightforward with the right bracket, and since I 
am planning to pull my mast soon for a re-wire and inspection, I will have a 
good opportunity to explore this option.

 

My dock neighbour has his on a pole, and removes it for racing or when not 
needed, so this is one advantage of pole or backstay mounting - easy removal. I 
probably would leave it on for year round sailing, but would likely take it 
with us to our next boat unless the buyer specifically wants it.

 

As far as brand, I went with a B Vulcan 9 package with wind, compass and DST, 
so this means I will need a Navico unit: 3G, 4G or Halo (Simrad, Lowrance or 
B). 

 

Although we've only had perhaps 5-6 days in the past two seasons where radar 
would have been useful, with a planned trip around Vancouver Island from 
June-August of 2021, we anticipate some foggy (or smoky) days in waters that 
will be a bit more challenging, and also new to us.

 

Would love to hear your thoughts...

 

Thanks

--

Shawn Wright

shawngwri...@gmail.com  

S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35

https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: Radar mounting options

[Blair Clark]

I concur with the notion that radar is best 1/4 to 5 milealso add this is 
where AIS is an excellent complement because if you occasionally expand your 
range the large commercial vessels will show AIS targets.

I have several times hailing the presence of ourselves in dense fog travelling 
090 to commercial freighters travelling 270. We were not yet on their radar but 
after the chat we both knew where to go when passing.


From: Martin DeYoung 
Sent: December 14, 2020 10:54 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Radar mounting options


Shawn,



On Calypso we have the radar antenna mounted on a stern pole with a Scan Strut 
adjustable tilt base.  On the C 36 we owned before the 43 we had a Questus 
back stay pole with a dampened mount.  The dampening is necessary to prevent 
radar cable wire fractures from repetitive bending.



We have not noticed a shadow issue from the mast and the pole is tall enough 
that I do not get hit in the back of the head by the beam.  We rarely use the 
tilt mechanism.  It would be useful on long offshore passages.  We did not use 
it when we went around Vancouver Island.



I suggest looking closely on how to best mount the radar antenna to enhance the 
short range accuracy vs long range accuracy.  During my PNW radar use (I first 
started using radar in the mid 80’s) I found the accuracy most important in the 
¼ to 5 mile range.  It has been rare that the long range (20 to 48 miles) 
accuracy was important.



If using radar for navigation during low visibility is new to you I recommend 
finding a radar training course that will give you some simulated images to 
analyze.  I took a radar class when completing my merchant marine training 
(70’s technology) and used an early version of David Burch’s “Starpath” radar 
training software (mid 80’s tech).



Back in the mid 90’s I was navigating our C 36 (motorsailing) through dense 
fog where the southern end of Rosario Strait meets the eastern end of the 
Straits of Juan de Fuca.  I was crossing the Traffic Separation lanes headed 
for Port Townsend.  I was tracking several commercial targets and several 
pleasure boats.  I thought I had the multiple crossings figured out then 
started to get the sense I missed something.  I stopped the engine to slow down 
and listen.  In a minute or so the bow of a barge appeared ¼ mile ahead.  I had 
incorrectly identified a tug-tow as just a tug.  A close call that shook my 
confidence for a few hours.



During Calypso’s trip around Vancouver Island we used the radar mostly north of 
Port McNeil (inside) and north of Tofino (outside).  We also used it for the 
long passage from Barkley Sound to Haro Strait which was 90% in dense fog.  As 
boat/ship traffic is light once past the north end of Johnstone Strait we 
mostly used the radar for confirming our navigation by confirming distance off 
a headland or identifying a navigation aid/buoy.  The radar was very useful 
entering Winter Harbor on a dark and rainy night.  BTW, august has been called 
Fogust up north.



Martin DeYoung

Calypso

1971 C 43

Seattle/Port Ludlow



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From: Shawn Wright
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:49 PM
To: Stus-List
Subject: Stus-List Radar mounting options



Hello all,



During the rendezvous, there was a brief discussion about radar and mounting 
options. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts and experiences with radar, 
and which mounting location (mast, backstay, or on pole/arch aft of cockpit) 
you prefer, and why.



Our 35 had a radome mounted on a pole just off centre from aft deck, supported 
by the pushpit rail. It had been removed when we bought her, and now with 
larger solar panels, I'm not sure this is a good location due to shading issues 
(although I might be able to resolve this with a re-designed arch, or push it 
far enough aft to prevent shading the panels.



I've seen a few backstay mounts, but haven't looked closely at them. I imagine 
there will be some shading issues, but perhaps a bit less depending on how high 
the radome is mounted.



Mast mounting seems fairly straightforward with the right bracket, and since I 
am planning to pull my mast soon for a re-wire and inspection, I will have a 
good opportunity to explore this option.



My dock neighbour has his on a pole, and removes it for racing or when not 
needed, so this is one advantage of pole or backstay mounting - easy removal. I 
probably would leave it on for year round sailing, but would likely take it 
with us to our next boat unless the buyer specifically wants it.



As far as brand, I went with a B Vulcan 9 package with wind, compass and DST, 
so this means I will need a Navico unit: 3G, 4G or Halo (Simrad, Lowrance or 
B).



Although we've only had perhaps 5-6 days in the past two seasons where radar 
would have been useful, with a