Stus-List Re: the rum is gone! (and the boat too)

2021-09-13 Thread Graham Collins via CnC-List 

My wife doesn't like the companionway.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2021-09-13 7:25 a.m., Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:


The 37+ would be an excellent choice Graham!  When you have a pretty 
boat like the 35-3 sometimes it is hard to see what could be as nice 
or better.  The 37+ may be that boat


Best Luck

Mike

*From:*Graham Collins via CnC-List 
*Sent:* September 12, 2021 10:04 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Graham Collins 
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: the rum is gone! (and the boat too)

Not quite, but the delivery back to Nova Scotia would be fun!

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2021-09-12 9:41 p.m., Jim Watts via CnC-List wrote:

If your boat isn't found, I hope the insurance settlement would
cover buying Edd's boat. : )


Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On Sun, 12 Sept 2021 at 10:45, Jim Watts mailto:paradigmat...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That really sucks, Graham. I hope they find your boat, and if
not, I hope you have really good insurance.


Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On Sun, 12 Sept 2021 at 05:19, Graham Collins via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

List member John noticed a posting on BoatWatch


and connected the dots that it is my boat missing.  The
short version - Wednesday night my boat was stolen, sailed
out of Halifax into the middle of  Hurricane Larry, where
the thief had sufficient issues to merit activating a PLB
that was onboard.  PLB battery has since died, and
searching for the boat has only resulted in sighting
flares Friday night.

Working theory is that the thief is an escaped drug
smuggler from Antigua who had recently been arrested
smuggling $60m of coke into the country (by sailboat) and
escaped during a hospital checkup.

I couldn't make this up...

-- 


Graham Collins

Secret Plans

C&C 35-III #11

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Stus-List Re: C&C 43 “Epic” in news

2021-09-13 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
I think it is a behind-the-scenes attempt by Klingons to force the sale of Used 
C&C’s on the market.

 

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 12:30 PM
To: Stu Murray
Cc: Martin DeYoung
Subject: Stus-List C&C 43 “Epic” in news

 

The west coast sailing  web sitePressure-Drop.us shows a report the C&C 43 
“Epic” is drifting 310 miles SW of Hawaii. The “operator of the disabled vessel 
was rescued after 6 days…”

 

Is this some type of weird attempt by the universe to seek balance with C&C 
boats in unusual circumstances approximately 300 miles off the far reaches east 
and west of North America?

 

Martin DeYoung

Calypso 

1971 C&C 43

Seattle/Port Townsend’s yard 

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Stus-List C&C 43 “Epic” in news

2021-09-13 Thread Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
The west coast sailing  web sitePressure-Drop.us shows a report the C&C 43 
“Epic” is drifting 310 miles SW of Hawaii. The “operator of the disabled vessel 
was rescued after 6 days…”

Is this some type of weird attempt by the universe to seek balance with C&C 
boats in unusual circumstances approximately 300 miles off the far reaches east 
and west of North America?

Martin DeYoung
Calypso 
1971 C&C 43
Seattle/Port Townsend’s yard 
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Stus-List Re: C&C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

2021-09-13 Thread Matthew via CnC-List 
On the recent race where our two boats inched along until time ran out, it was 
BECAUSE the RC ran a W/L course (again) that we sailed until dark.  A 
once-around triangle would have allowed us to finish.

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 10:32 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

 

I agree, and I feel your pain.

A 5 leg triangle/W/L does level the playing field somewhat between a mix of 
older and newer boats.

 

Altho, in fairness to our race committee, sometimes when the wind it too light 
all you can get in are two legs, or you are sitting out there in the dark.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Matthew via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 9:04 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: Matthew
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

 

Ron:

 

With all due respect, my boat’s PHRF rating was established in 
a mix of conditions, including triangle course racing and long distance racing, 
both of which typically involve some reaching.  As such, fairness requires 
racing in a mix of conditions.  Running only W/L courses in round-the-buoy 
races works to my disadvantage in several material respects: 1) it adds 
unaccounted-for mileage, which benefits lower rated boats (all the boats I race 
against); 2) newer, lighter, post-IOR boats are significantly faster upwind 
(and can point higher); 3) these boats, most of which are main driven, tack a 
lot more efficiently; and 4) my boat tends to hold its own on reaches, which 
are eliminated.  These disadvantages are exacerbated in “white sailed” racing.  
In short, W/L racing reveals how out-designed my boat really is.

 

PHRF was created so people like me could keep our boats and have some fun 
racing.  W/L courses undermine this concept.

 

Matt

C&C 42 Custom  

 

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Stus-List Re: C&C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

2021-09-13 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
I agree, and I feel your pain.

A 5 leg triangle/W/L does level the playing field somewhat between a mix of 
older and newer boats.

 

Altho, in fairness to our race committee, sometimes when the wind it too light 
all you can get in are two legs, or you are sitting out there in the dark.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Matthew via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 9:04 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: Matthew
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

 

Ron:

 

With all due respect, my boat’s PHRF rating was established in 
a mix of conditions, including triangle course racing and long distance racing, 
both of which typically involve some reaching.  As such, fairness requires 
racing in a mix of conditions.  Running only W/L courses in round-the-buoy 
races works to my disadvantage in several material respects: 1) it adds 
unaccounted-for mileage, which benefits lower rated boats (all the boats I race 
against); 2) newer, lighter, post-IOR boats are significantly faster upwind 
(and can point higher); 3) these boats, most of which are main driven, tack a 
lot more efficiently; and 4) my boat tends to hold its own on reaches, which 
are eliminated.  These disadvantages are exacerbated in “white sailed” racing.  
In short, W/L racing reveals how out-designed my boat really is.

 

PHRF was created so people like me could keep our boats and have some fun 
racing.  W/L courses undermine this concept.

 

Matt

C&C 42 Custom  

 

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Stus-List Re: C&C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

2021-09-13 Thread Matthew via CnC-List 
Ron:

 

With all due respect, my boat’s PHRF rating was established in 
a mix of conditions, including triangle course racing and long distance racing, 
both of which typically involve some reaching.  As such, fairness requires 
racing in a mix of conditions.  Running only W/L courses in round-the-buoy 
races works to my disadvantage in several material respects: 1) it adds 
unaccounted-for mileage, which benefits lower rated boats (all the boats I race 
against); 2) newer, lighter, post-IOR boats are significantly faster upwind 
(and can point higher); 3) these boats, most of which are main driven, tack a 
lot more efficiently; and 4) my boat tends to hold its own on reaches, which 
are eliminated.  These disadvantages are exacerbated in “white sailed” racing.  
In short, W/L racing reveals how out-designed my boat really is.

 

PHRF was created so people like me could keep our boats and have some fun 
racing.  W/L courses undermine this concept.

 

Matt

C&C 42 Custom  

 

From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 12:55 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

 

The problem is with the handicap numbers.  A triangle course has only  33% 
beat, if equilateral.  The more you spread out the offset mark, the less 
percentage the beat; the more you pull it in, the higher percentage beat.

For PHRF to work, I believe they recommend at least a 40% beat.  Preferred is a 
50% beat like a windward/leeward or a triangle with an extra beat.

On a dead downwind course one should sail their best angle for the wind speed, 
not go dead downwind.  That's true even for the white sail fleet.  There was a 
great article decades ago about the pole adjusted forward to improve the broad 
reach for white sailed boats.  But with my filing system, I'll never be able to 
produce it if asked.

Ron

Wild Cheri

C&C 30-1

STL

 

 

On Friday, September 10, 2021, 11:31:22 AM CDT, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

 

 

This is an ongoing issue with racing, everything is W/L dinghy racing no matter 
if your boat is 10 feet long or 110 feet long. Back in the day when men were 
men and sheep were scared we used government marks and you got what you got, 
reaches, beats, runs, whatever.

When I used to RC C&C races I decided dead downwind on a hot day was misery for 
the white sail fleet, so the spinnaker boats went on a W/L course and the 
non-spin fleet used the same windward mark but had an offset somewhere, say 
beam reach to the offset and then broad reach to finish. Less tactics but less 
heatstroke too!

 

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Stus-List Re: the rum is gone! (and the boat too)

2021-09-13 Thread Jeff Nelson via CnC-List 
I've got an unused week of vacation, if you need delivery crew for 
somewhere.


Still having a hard time coming to grips with your loss.  I can't 
imagine loosing mine.


Best of luck, let me know if you need anything.
Cheers,
   Jeff Nelson
   Muir Caileag
   C&C 30 - 0549
   Armdale Y.C.

On 2021-09-12 9:19 a.m., Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:


List member John noticed a posting on BoatWatch 
 
and connected the dots that it is my boat missing.  The short version 
- Wednesday night my boat was stolen, sailed out of Halifax into the 
middle of  Hurricane Larry, where the thief had sufficient issues to 
merit activating a PLB that was onboard. PLB battery has since died, 
and searching for the boat has only resulted in sighting flares Friday 
night.


Working theory is that the thief is an escaped drug smuggler from 
Antigua who had recently been arrested smuggling $60m of coke into the 
country (by sailboat) and escaped during a hospital checkup.


I couldn't make this up...

--
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

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Stus-List Re: the rum is gone! (and the boat too)

2021-09-13 Thread Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Yikes!

This is really sad on several levels.  At least we have another C&C waiting for 
a new owner in Florida. If we all take a week off for our area, we’ll have her 
in Canada for you, I’ll take North Carolina to Cape May.

(if the guy is true criminal mastermind, he set off the PLB and then tossed it 
to make everyone think he is dead)

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: C&C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

2021-09-13 Thread Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Honestly the only course I want to see for big boats goes someplace. Long ago I 
decided that if it was all going to be dinghy racing on short W/Ls, then race a 
dinghy and save tens of thousands of dollars. Think about the cost of ONE sail 
replacement on a big boat vs. an entire used dinghy.

On to another thing  - PHRF completely falls apart with sport boats (boats that 
can plane) and conventional boat. Remember the C&C sport boats, the SR series? 
We passed one like they were aground beating to weather in some chop. No rating 
could save them. Then we turned the corner for Annapolis and they passed us 
like we were going in reverse. No rating could save us. The boats are just too 
different to race together. Kind of like racing a Ford GT40 against a Jeep, all 
you have to do is look at the course and weather to know who is going to win.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C&C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

2021-09-13 Thread Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Any system that does not actually measure the boat is pretty much subject to 
similar problems. Those that are not administered locally are less subject to 
local bias but  also do not have the capability to fix local problems. One 
major benefit of PHRF is that in North America it is widely used and easy to 
find ratings for similar boats in other areas.

Measurement systems also have problems.  The most obvious being the effort and 
cost to have a boat measured

The only “real” fix is for everybody to buy the exact same boat … but most of 
us do not like the same boat which is why we all choose the one we want or can 
afford. And even then the boats are not all the same or equal.

Racing does seem to be more about the people you have with you on the boat as 
we age.

And for Randy and Jim … my sailmaker is also where I get my skis!  I have in 
the past bought a headsail and ski boots on the same visit

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS

From: John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
Sent: September 12, 2021 11:45 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: John and Maryann Read 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C&C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

Our Wednesday night series uses PHRF of Long Island sound but is also using ORC 
on a test basis for a limited number of boats.  Biggest issue is getting enough 
similar boats to enter so there can in fact be a competitive class


John Read
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT

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Stus-List Re: the rum is gone! (and the boat too)

2021-09-13 Thread Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
The 37+ would be an excellent choice Graham!  When you have a pretty boat like 
the 35-3 sometimes it is hard to see what could be as nice or better.  The 37+ 
may be that boat

Best Luck

Mike

From: Graham Collins via CnC-List 
Sent: September 12, 2021 10:04 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Graham Collins 
Subject: Stus-List Re: the rum is gone! (and the boat too)


Not quite, but the delivery back to Nova Scotia would be fun!

Graham Collins

Secret Plans

C&C 35-III #11
On 2021-09-12 9:41 p.m., Jim Watts via CnC-List wrote:
If your boat isn't found, I hope the insurance settlement would cover buying 
Edd's boat. : )

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Sun, 12 Sept 2021 at 10:45, Jim Watts 
mailto:paradigmat...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That really sucks, Graham. I hope they find your boat, and if not, I hope you 
have really good insurance.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Sun, 12 Sept 2021 at 05:19, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

List member John noticed a posting on 
BoatWatch
 and connected the dots that it is my boat missing.  The short version - 
Wednesday night my boat was stolen, sailed out of Halifax into the middle of  
Hurricane Larry, where the thief had sufficient issues to merit activating a 
PLB that was onboard.  PLB battery has since died, and searching for the boat 
has only resulted in sighting flares Friday night.

Working theory is that the thief is an escaped drug smuggler from Antigua who 
had recently been arrested smuggling $60m of coke into the country (by 
sailboat) and escaped during a hospital checkup.

I couldn't make this up...

--

Graham Collins

Secret Plans

C&C 35-III #11
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