Re: Stus-List C&C Old Sails

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Offer them on kijiji or craiglist…   hopefully they can be repurposed for bags 
or .. U.V. strips.


Tim
Matico 33MKII


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Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C Old Sails

I need some mental counseling: I have a 1985 37; I have replaced my Main and 
150 with new sails; they work well and the old sail have been sitting in my 
garage for the past year: I can send them to Bacon's for a few pennies on the 
dollar, and I pay shipping costs; or my other option is to send them to Seabags 
or one of the other outfits that cut them up and make stuff from the materials; 
I really don't know which way to go on this; I have a mental block about 
cutting up the sails, but I really don't have any use for them myself; if 
anyone on the list wants them I would gladly give them to that person: any 
advice or help for me ? Thanks

Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River,Mile 596.5;
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255

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Re: Stus-List GENCO canvas near Toronto

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Genco … whether its Toronto or Mississauga, both are close to the Toronto boat 
show  … if you can wait til 2018.

http://www.torontoboatshow.com/2018/

conversely I have a sewing machine…


Tim Sippel

C&C 33mkii  Matico

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Subject: Stus-List GENCO canvas near Toronto


I need to take my canvas back to them for winter work later this year. Is there 
anything interesting near there to do if I am going to drive all that way 
anyway? Never been near their shop and had to fight some NAFTA inspired customs 
billing nightmare last time we shipped anything, so driving it is.
(shipping canvas for an alteration and back to me had both USA and Canadian 
customs thinking this was new stuff going both ways argh!)


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I







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Re: Stus-List 1985 - CNC 33 Replacement Companionway Door

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

I sourced out a piece of plexi-glass and cut it myself (there is a special 
jigsaw blade that cuts up and down and avoids “melting” the cut .)

Pretty cheap ..

Tim

Matico
C&C 33 mk ii




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Subject: Stus-List 1985 - CNC 33 Replacement Companionway Door

I am needing to replace my companionway door on my 33.  Does anyone know where 
I might find one to purchase or suggestions on how to replace it.

Thanks,

Ray Macklin
LakeHouse
Milwaukee, WI





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Re: Stus-List repacking toerails

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Ran across this .. haven’t used it or anything but …

http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?page=search&eSearch1=butyl+tape&CFID=159386617&CFTOKEN=70447718


Tim

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Subject: Re: Stus-List repacking toerails

Many listers use this:  http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape

I simply put a few applications of Captain Tolley's Creeping Crack Cure between 
the toe rail and deck every other year or so.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Jesse A. Rieber via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I need to repack the toe rails on my 32 C&C.  The original packing was butyl.  
Compass Marine sells this but it is a very narrow and extremely thin material, 
less wide than the toe rails. Does anyone have a source or know the original 
source of the material used by C&C?  If so please contact me at JARieber@aol.  
Thanks

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Re: Stus-List Separation between locker and engine 33-2

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I have a 33-2  my original idea was to buy a automotive cargo net and put it 
place to keep things in place.
Never got around to it , I simply put the hatch board in place to prevent 
things from spilling .



Tim Sippel

C&C 33mkii   Matico

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Separation between locker and engine 33-2

I have this exact same issue just on a 34. I'd also like to find some way to 
separate the lazarette from the engine bay. I luckily have not had anything 
fall in there before, but I'm terrified of when it will happen. I'm definitely 
interested in suggestions from others.


Kevin Paxton
'82 34 #473
Japhys Spirit
Cornfield Creek, Pasadena, MD

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 11:50 AM doug.welch--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I have no separation between my cockpit locker and the shaft and engine other 
than a short piece of glasses wood that is about a foot high.  This really 
limits the usefulness of the locker.  I had a dinghy paddle bounce into the 
shaft that caused my some brief trying to determine where the burning plastic 
smell was coming from. I assumed it was an impeller (every once in a while the 
sound of hooves are zebras 🤠). I checked a friend's 29-2 and it has a nice 
removable panel that looks original. My current plan is to fabricate a 
removable separator from wire shelving but would like to get the group's 
suggestions on other options.

Cheers Doug
Celtic Knot 33-2 c/b
Frenchman's Bay
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 question where does the hose in the bottom of the ice box drain to?

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Well… yes I have had all kinds of stuff spill . I actually keep the drain 
plugged , so any spillage stays in the cooler and I can drain it.
Also I have added refrigeration so spills stay a bit fresher .



Tim Sippel

MAtico   33mkii


From: Della Barba, Joe [mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov]
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Cc: Tim Sippel 
Subject: RE: Stus-List 33-2 question where does the hose in the bottom of the 
ice box drain to?

Just FYI – you may want to rethink that plan. Ever have milk spill in the 
icebox? Your boat will smell extra-special for a long time!
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK i

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Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 question where does the hose in the bottom of the 
ice box drain to?

On my 85 , it drains into the bilge , it often clogged , I cut out an access 
panel and found the hose was about a foot longer than necessary and had a loop 
in it (wtf) once cut to proper length and loop removed , no issues .

Tim Sippel

Matico
33Mkii




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Subject: Stus-List 33-2 question where does the hose in the bottom of the ice 
box drain to?

ours seems to be clogged and I couldn't figure out how to get to it to unclog

thanks in advance

cheers doug,
celtic knot 33-2 c/b
pickering



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Re: Stus-List 33-2 question where does the hose in the bottom of the ice box drain to?

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On my 85 , it drains into the bilge , it often clogged , I cut out an access 
panel and found the hose was about a foot longer than necessary and had a loop 
in it (wtf) once cut to proper length and loop removed , no issues .

Tim Sippel

Matico
33Mkii




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Subject: Stus-List 33-2 question where does the hose in the bottom of the ice 
box drain to?

ours seems to be clogged and I couldn't figure out how to get to it to unclog

thanks in advance

cheers doug,
celtic knot 33-2 c/b
pickering





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Re: Stus-List 33-2 Deck organizer - Who manufactured? Parts?

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Or not …


https://hardware.schaefermarine.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=91_200



Mine say Schaffer on them , I’m sure by now they are carbon fiber and $tuff 
like that .

Tim Sippel


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Subject: Stus-List 33-2 Deck organizer - Who manufactured? Parts?

Hi all - Any idea who manufactured the 33-2 deck organizer, and if parts are 
available?  I am looking to add another sheave to this if possible, convert to 
3 on 3 from 2 on 3.

Photo:
http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2017/05/c-33-2-deck-organizer.html

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Re: Stus-List 33-2 Deck organizer - Who manufactured? Parts?

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Mine say Schaffer on them , I’m sure by now they are carbon fiber and $tuff 
like that .

Tim Sippel


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Subject: Stus-List 33-2 Deck organizer - Who manufactured? Parts?

Hi all - Any idea who manufactured the 33-2 deck organizer, and if parts are 
available?  I am looking to add another sheave to this if possible, convert to 
3 on 3 from 2 on 3.

Photo:
http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2017/05/c-33-2-deck-organizer.html

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Re: Stus-List Anyone need/want a really big wheel?

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Put a dap of nail polish on the key that will hold it in place (if you use 
Loctite, don’t put the wheel back on too soon , don’t ask why I know this)



Tim

C&C 33mkii  Matico

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Anyone need/want a really big wheel?

I lock the wheel shaft before I remove the wheel and then gravity keeps the key 
in place.  If the key does end up falling it only falls to the cockpit floor.  
I've considered rubber bands and pvc pipe sleeves.  I've even considered a shim 
in the keyway to make the key fit tighter so that friction prevents it from 
falling.  It's just not a problem which is bad enough to command enough of my 
attention to make it better.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Feb 9, 2017 2:09 PM, "Eric Baumes via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi,

I like the idea of the Edson Rail Mount, but I have a question for anyone who 
has used one.

How do you ensure that you don't lose the Key from the Wheelshaft?

In the winter when I take the wheel off so I can get to the back of the cockpit 
under the cover, I wrap the Wheelshaft with the key in it with masking tape.  I 
suppose I could do the same while cruising but I am wondering if anyone else 
had a more elegant solution.

Eric
C&C 34/36 --  Big wheel and love it.



On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Chuck Saur via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
About a year ago, I had a problem with bigger-wheel envy and I asked the 
list-perts here about a wheel I subsequently purchased on E-Bay.  It was less 
than 1/16 too small for my Edson 1" shaft and had wheel reamed at a local 
machine shop (as suggested here) to fit.  Went from a 36" to 44" wheel on my 
35-3.

Now the point:  Absolutely best move...other than looking "correct" to my eye, 
I agree with everyone here about the functional upgrade.  Sailing is much 
easier and more options to sit (I also removed the camel-hump).  Girlfriend 
would rather have the room afforded by the old wheel...so I really like your 
link to the Edson rail-mounted storage clamp.  Thanks.



Chuck Saur

(517)-490-5926

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Re: Stus-List Anyone need/want a really big wheel?

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

I have the largest wheel useable on a 33mkii… nice to able to sit “on the rail” 
and steer , plus leverage is better . Try it for season.



Tim

C&C 33mkii  Matico

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Anyone need/want a really big wheel?

I have a big wheel on my 35 and love it. Give it a chance ☺

Joe
Coquina

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Anyone need/want a really big wheel?

I'll second Josh,

We have a very large diameter wheel on our 37/40 and it is perfect for steering 
from the rail.  I'd try it for a while under sail before I got rid of it if I 
were you.

https://goo.gl/photos/6v14RBHkHGMWCrV19

At times we also stand on the aft seats and straddle the hump and the large 
wheel makes this easy: https://goo.gl/photos/Mos5S7mgELRdbthb9

We take ours off at anchor and store it against the lifelines: 
https://goo.gl/photos/BiYVk8ab5FX6HtYT9

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia





On 8 February 2017 at 08:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hold on the that wheel!  You may find that you like it better than the small 
one.  My boat came with 2 wheels from the PO as well.  I love the bigger wheel 
since it makes steering with my feet and steering from the rails very easy.  I 
also like to straddle the hump and stand on the aft benches to get a clearer 
view of the road.  I wouldn't be able to reach the wheel comfortably if it was 
smaller.  I can also stand in front of the pedestal and reach back over the 
pedestal to comfortably reach the wheel allowing me to trim the main or head 
sails.   Particularly when singlehanding the AP is low on the port side and 
accessible from in front or behind the wheel but taking or giving control from 
in front is much easier when you can reach the wheel unencumbered.  It is a 
challenge to get around the wheel.  While underway we just step up on the 
port/stbd hatches.  When not underway we remove the wheel and stowing it on a 
mount designed by edson specifically for storing the wheel on a pushpit rail.

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C2331321%7C2331322%7C2331325&id=79873

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017, 6:45 AM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Our new to us 37/40+ had a very large steering wheel and the owner had the 
original which we reinstalled.  I would list it on the new site for used gear, 
but I thought I'd start here.  Look at the listing for a C&C 37/40+ in Marco 
Island for a photo.  It is probably about 60 inches across.

Bruce

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Re: Stus-List buying clear vinyl for broken dodger window

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Doing Vinyl windows for a guy , he supplied the material , got it here:

https://www.fabric.com/find?SearchText=vinyl

it sews easy enough , that’s all I can say so far .



Tim

C&C 33mkii , Matico

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Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Subject: Re: Stus-List buying clear vinyl for broken dodger window

Sailrite has many types and gauges 
http://www.sailrite.com/search?keywords=windows
Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Tim Sippel via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I bought 30 gauge Vinyl from a local sail maker , depends where you live I 
guess . its expensive stuff but if you can get by with 36” x 54” its out there

Don’t forget to sew glass behind old glass and seem rip the old one outta there 
.

If up north is Ontario near barrie… tj outdoor fabrics


Tim Sippel

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Subject: Stus-List buying clear vinyl for broken dodger window

Winterizing mistake - accidentally bent a dodger side window too far on a cool 
day and heard a nasty "snap" sound, now need to replace one dodger window. 
Other windows are fine and look pretty new. Will measure thickness, and assume 
strataglass? How do you tell type/brand? And, browsing sources, looks like 
large pieces only at high prices? Anyone else need a piece?

I have the Sailrite sewing machine and would do the sewing myself

Nate
Sarah Jean
1980 30-1

Valhalla
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Re: Stus-List buying clear vinyl for broken dodger window

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Sailrite is a great source, however if you are in Canada , the shipping is 
crazy expensive compared to value of material (otherwise Sailrite would have 
tons more of my money I tell ya !)


Tim Sippel

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Sailrite has many types and gauges 
http://www.sailrite.com/search?keywords=windows
Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Tim Sippel via CnC-List 
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I bought 30 gauge Vinyl from a local sail maker , depends where you live I 
guess . its expensive stuff but if you can get by with 36” x 54” its out there

Don’t forget to sew glass behind old glass and seem rip the old one outta there 
.

If up north is Ontario near barrie… tj outdoor fabrics


Tim Sippel

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Subject: Stus-List buying clear vinyl for broken dodger window

Winterizing mistake - accidentally bent a dodger side window too far on a cool 
day and heard a nasty "snap" sound, now need to replace one dodger window. 
Other windows are fine and look pretty new. Will measure thickness, and assume 
strataglass? How do you tell type/brand? And, browsing sources, looks like 
large pieces only at high prices? Anyone else need a piece?

I have the Sailrite sewing machine and would do the sewing myself

Nate
Sarah Jean
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Valhalla
1994 Tartan 31

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Re: Stus-List buying clear vinyl for broken dodger window

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I bought 30 gauge Vinyl from a local sail maker , depends where you live I 
guess . its expensive stuff but if you can get by with 36” x 54” its out there

Don’t forget to sew glass behind old glass and seem rip the old one outta there 
.

If up north is Ontario near barrie… tj outdoor fabrics


Tim Sippel

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Subject: Stus-List buying clear vinyl for broken dodger window

Winterizing mistake - accidentally bent a dodger side window too far on a cool 
day and heard a nasty "snap" sound, now need to replace one dodger window. 
Other windows are fine and look pretty new. Will measure thickness, and assume 
strataglass? How do you tell type/brand? And, browsing sources, looks like 
large pieces only at high prices? Anyone else need a piece?

I have the Sailrite sewing machine and would do the sewing myself

Nate
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 original cove stripe cover

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Nice read
I too need to redo the stripes on my 33 mkII
I have the eraser well , but can’t seem to source 3m Mylar reasonably , plus 
there is many tape types to choose from . seems the best on has a facing that 
you peel away after install.
Theres gotta be a place in Toronto to get this stuff! .



Tim

Matico 33 mkII

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Cc: henry evans ; Paul Cannon ; 
Don Finkle 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 original cove stripe cover

Hi Chris,

Good story.

One of the neat things about working at C&C in the "glory days" was having a 
custom wood shop. Actually, we had 3. One at NOTL, one in Newport and one at 
the custom shop in Oakville. Not sure if the plant in Keil, Germany had one or 
not. The master woodworkers in those shops could do anything.

It gave us the flexibility to do custom "touches" which were often the requests 
of the Lady.  It was not difficult to build a custom teak pot holder, stereo 
rack or vanity for cosmetics. And it was often the little touchs that made the 
sale. When I did my C&C 29 out of the Rhode Island plant I was pipe smoker and, 
much to my surprise, it came with a 3 station custom teak pipe holder at the 
chart table and even a teak "pipe".

It was great fun working for company that was sitting in the catbird seat of 
the industry, building the best and fastest boats and being able to give an 
owner exactly what he wanted. It was a heady time in the marine business and I 
am glad I was part of it back then.

Cheers,

Hank

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:12 PM, Chris Duer 
mailto:chrisd...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

That's a great story Henry!

We once designed a galley around storing a specific pot on a Tartan 40.  What 
the owner wants, they get.  Within reason...although the reason boundary is 
always stretched...

Chris

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:36 PM, henry evans via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

When I first joined C&C Yachts in 77, I think the coves and stars (arrows) were 
painted. They went to mylar for the stripes shortly thereafter.  A few years 
later they put a gap in the cove so the boat name could be painted there. The 
stars remained gold painted.  Later on we offered the cove and stars in a 
variety of colors to match boot stripes.  The stars remained painted long after 
the coves went to mylar, but eventually they went mylar tape too.

It is interesting that the stars and diamond next to them were never 
standardized.  If you look at C&C's over the years some of the stars are short 
and stubby, some of them are long and pointed and everything in between.  I 
remember suggesting to George, Rob and David that the stars had become a 
"signature" of C&C and should be standardized.  That never happened while I was 
there. I think it depended on who was making the hull plug and the hull molds 
as to how the stars looked.

A side story about coves and stars :  Butch Cannon headed up a very successful, 
nationwide architectural firm and was a Past Commodore of the Youngstown Yacht 
Club in Youngstown, N.Y. which is right across the river from Niagara On The 
Lake where C&C's were built. He was also a member of RCYC, a legendary racer on 
Lake Ontario and had many C&C's over the years. While I was working there, he 
went to RCR Yachts for a new C&C 37. Don Finkle at RCR Yachts in Youngstown 
sold him the boat and sent Butch over to see me at the NOTL plant to work out 
the details of what he wanted on the boat.  After all the specifics of winches, 
halyards, etc. he pulled a grey plastic vacuum cleaner nozzle out of his brief 
case and said "Hank, this is the color I want my boot stipe, cove and stars".  
I told him we would try and later in the day went to the plant manager with the 
nozzle and told him what Butch wanted.  Everyone at C&C knew Butch and the 
plant manger just nodded and took the nozzle with a smile. The 37 was about 80% 
complete when Butch again visited the plant to see her abuilding.  He looked at 
the boot top, cove and stars and questioned if that was the right color grey ?  
I just happened to have the vacuum nozzle in my pocket, pulled it out and held 
it up to the stars.  The color match was perfect !  Butch just smiled and I 
handed him back his nozzle.  Butch did well racing his 37 and became a good 
friend and mentor when I served as Commodore of the Youngstown Yacht Club in 
1985.  We lost him about five years ago, well into his 80's.

Cheers,

Hank

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I am sprucing up our 33-2 and am looking for input on the cove stripe and 
diamond and star colours. I have two boot stripes, the bottom being bright red 
and the upper a light blue. The imperial polishing compound has brought them up 
nicely. The cove stripe is mylar and the same color as the boot stripe and t

Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

In Water :
Change oil
Check Coolant / change if necessary

Out of water
Run anti-freeze though engine (capture and dispose of properly)  I’m not brave 
enough to simply drain it !
Remove impeller and store with engine key


Tim Sippel

C&C 33mk ii Matico








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Subject: Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F

Hi Doug,

Third GTA winter coming up and I have not yet run the red stuff through 
windstar's engine.  (IIRC the manual does not mention doing this)   What I have 
done is drain the water lock muffler and raw water strainer, remove the hoses 
to the water pump, then drain the block through the two valves on the engine 
block.  (access under the galley sink)  Blow any water out though the water 
pump hose.
Not sure whether that's optimal or not
Anyway, If I were to use the red stuff, (and I may) I would drain everything 
first so I could be sure that the antifreeze was not too diluted.
It really is a good time to look in on the water pump impeller..
I would also check the specific gravity of the coolant to ensure its freeze 
point is low enough.  You can get a tester at Crappy tire for this for less 
than $10.
Top up the batteries with distilled water.

Dave (we met on pier 7 - whitby)

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Subject: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F
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It's my first year with the 2GM20F and it's almost time to winterize it. Is 
there anything I need to do other running anti freeze through the fresh water 
intake until it comes out the exhaust??
Cheers,Doug
Celtic Knot33-2
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Re: Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F

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I have used rotella 15/40 on my 2gm  for past 15 years (yikes)
I figure the multi-grade accommodates the cold hot cold season here in Toronto .



Tim Sippel

C&C 33mkii , Matico


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Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F

Yanmar recommends straight weight oil and to vary it depending on the season 
and temperature. For temps below 10C 10W or 20W; temps from 10-20C 20W; temps 
from 20-35C 30W or 40W. Rotella is recommended, but Yanmar states "Choose a 
brand with a rating higher than SAE class CC"
Tom
30-1
Raritan Bay NJ

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:17 PM, doug.welch--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Lots of different recommendations found via Google but favoring rotella t 15W40.

What do you folks use?


Located on Toronto and hauling out in 3 weeks


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Doug
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Re: Stus-List Repainting Waterline Stripe...

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I have not tried this but a friend repainted his waterline stipe and used 
electrical tape, apparently it follows curves etc. easily

Tim
C&C 33mkii  Matico

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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:10 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Repainting Waterline Stripe...

What Andy said. I use 3/4” tape and it works (curves..) just fine.

Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit

On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

David, I use Fine Line tape on my models making the same curves only at 1/2" to 
the foot! You should be able to make 3/4" tape go around the bends at full 
scale.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:01 AM, David via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
My biggest concern is flexibility at the aft end where the strips starts 
curving radically.   1/4" painters tape is flexible?

Thanks in advance

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 14:50:57 +
Subject: Re: Stus-List Repainting Waterline Stripe...
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: mike.h...@impgroup.com

You can get painter masking tape as think as ¼ inch.  Use that for the 
contoured areas and then put something wider overlapping over that.  Has always 
worked for me when painting decks, etc …

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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:45 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Repainting Waterline Stripe...

David,

I’d spend the few extra bucks and get a good 3M tape. I just did some Awlcraft 
painting for gloss and non-skid on my hatches and I used the Awlgrip (and my 
painter) recommended 3M 218 Fine Line tape for masking the gloss vs. non-skid 
prior to spraying. I’ll be masking off the entire deck sometime this week or 
next and I find the 218 properties to be easy to use. Electrical tape is a bit 
stretchy and I’m not fond of the glue used.

Don’t know what your setup with the boat in the yard is but a good way to mark 
the waterline and boot stripes is with a laser. Boat’s gotta be level 
fore-and-aft and side-to-side.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit

On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

David,

I would check with the manufacturer to see what you can use over AwlGrip.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:59 AM, David via CnC-List 
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Neil,

You are the man...as my next question was how to follow the extreme curvature 
under the stern (waterline and curves widens radically to maintain visual width 
when hull tucks under).

This is my solution.

Thanks!

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Re: Stus-List Yanmar bolt size

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You may need a metric adjustable wrench  ;)


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Subject: Stus-List Yanmar bolt size

Is there a wrench size between 13 and 14 mm?

Joel


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Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

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Interesting , my helm seat (33mkii) is attached by 8 sets of nuts and bolts and 
minimal access to port side set. (propane locker on starboard allows access, 
port side lid sealed at factory).
Not ideal .

Tim

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We tied the wheel to the stern pulpit and the helm seat was stuffed into the 
quarter-berth.



David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 14:28:45 -0400
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: stevanpla...@gmail.com
Good thread. My question has always been what to do with the helm seat and 
wheel? I've never actually tried removing the helm seat but it sure does appear 
like it can be removed, just not sure how, or whether it's needed on the 32.

I keep my emergency tiller in the port side cockpit locker on the upper shelf 
with the wrench taped to it. Really easy to get to, but I should probably do a 
practice run.

I'm a fair weather, lake sailor, so I never really prioritized this as much as 
I should.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Mine is accessible in cockpit locker, and I also have the wrenches secured via 
electrical tape. Of course on the 33mkII the tiller range is a bit limited by 
the helm seat .

Tim



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Cc: Dave 
Subject: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

Apologies - my post is not at all clear.


 I am wondering where others cleverly stow the tiller and its tools.When I 
got mine it was buried in the cockpit locker, with rusting wrenches Masking 
taped to the arm.
I fastened the wrenches with small cable ties and tied the lot to the straps 
which secure the fuel tank.  At least I can find it quickly, assuming it has 
not untied itself.
I would rather have it secured in an easy to access location (I have some 
thoughts) and would like it to be tool-less.  (Have not thought about that yet.)


Am interested in your tiller experience 'under fire'.


Dave






Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 09:13:50 -0400
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To: CNC CNC mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and
   others
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Dave,

I have actually used my emergency tiller...what exactly is your question...?

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 20:14:10 -0400

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Subject: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches.   Where?  33-2 and others

From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

CC: syerd...@gmail.com



This has bugged me since I bought the boat.  The wrenches are currently 
cable-tied to the tiller and the tiller is tied to the hold down straps on the 
fuel tank.   Not a fan really, and I don't like needing tools fo

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Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Yup ,
Binnacle for new pump and add a spare joker valve and you are at  the free 
shipping point !

Tim

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Dennis:

The Binnacle had the rebuild kit but it cost almost as much as a new 
pump..and the new pump seemed a breeze to install, which it was.

Rob Abbott

On 2016-07-26 4:17 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
Bob,
Glad you went the new pump assembly route.  I've been advocating that over a 
rebuild kit for years.
I remove and clean the joker valve on my Jabsco compact a couple times a year.  
It's a 10 minute job.  I also flush with vinegar to reduce scale build up also. 
 It's a frequent job.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:29 PM, robert via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea 
water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve'  or the 
valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty 
valve in the 'shut off' switch.

Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest 
way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100.

One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 
4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of 
the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.

FYi for anyone having a similar problem.

Rob Abbott

AZURA

C&C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.



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Re: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Hi Brad ,
On my 33 mKii shift lever goes forward for forward , pull back for reverse.
I have the stainless throttle lever , but not shift lever as the curve of the 
stainless lever hit the pedestal guard and  wouldn’t engage forward


Cheers




Tim
Matico C&C 33mkII

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradley 
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Subject: Stus-List Throttle and shift levers

I reset the tension on the throttle cable before splashing this spring so the 
throttle would stay where set. Broke the plastic throttle lever on the weekend. 
So I ordered both the stainless ones from Marinepartdepot for less than half 
what Edson is asking. Hoping it's not a rip off
The shifter lever on the left side of the pedestal seems to operate in reverse 
of what would be logical, as in I pull the lever back to shift to forward, is 
this standard for a 1985 33-2? Or has someone messed with the routing of the 
linkage?
Thanks
Brad
"Pulse" 1985 C&C 33 Mk II
Lake Huron
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Re: Stus-List Removing Cabin-Top Handrails

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

It sounds like there should be some round white “plugs” on your cabin headliner 
(ceiling?)  , pop these out and the “nuts should be there .

Tim

C&C 33mkii MATICO

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Listers-

My next project is to refinish and re-bed the teak hand rails on the cabin top 
of my boat.  Any tips on how to remove them?  I believe there are screws 
covered by bungs from the interior hand rails to the exterior hand rails aft of 
the bulkhead separating the salon from the head.  But how are the exterior 
handrails fastened forward of that bulkhead?  (the exterior hand rails extend 
farther forward than the interior ones).

I need to remove them in order to re-bed them, as I've got a leak from the port 
aft screw hole onto my ice box lid and galley countertop around it, causing 
delamination of the plywood countertop at the ice box lid cutout.

My plan is to strip them (if necessary), sand them, and just oil them with teak 
oil, following instructions from Don Casey.  If you think a sealer or varnish 
would be better, I'd be interested in hearing your opinion.

Also, inspired by Dennis's pictures from Touche, I've posted a few pictures of 
my boat at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTaUlpUkZJWGt5RVk.  So 
far the only projects I've done are cosmetic stuff on the hull exterior: lots 
of topsides buffing and waxing, putting on my own transom decals, sanding and 
repainting the boot stripe, and spot-sanding and re-coating the bottom with 
VC-17 (plus adding a combination spare tire / carrier wheel to the trailer).

I'd like to thank you all again for making this list such an outstanding 
resource.  I'm very grateful to be able to communicate with you all.  And 
special shout-out to Stu Murray for making all this possible - I just ordered 
five quantity of "Photo Album Support" from the C&C Photo Album Online 
Chandlery in appreciation.

Cheers,
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Re: Stus-List Windows ad nauseum

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

I have used a propane torch , but these days I’d go with a heat gun …

Tim



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I was advised, by a professional, to use a propane torch to finish the edges. 
It makes sense but I would have to practice a bit on scrap before I tried it on 
the real windows.

Al
S.V. Elendil
37/40+


On Mar 4, 2016, at 8:35 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Plexiglass is very prone to developing cracks from any minor imperfections or 
irregularities in the edges. If you carefully polish and buff the edges 
completely smooth, cracks don't have a way to start themselves.

Bill Bina
On 3/4/2016 11:15 AM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List wrote:

Acrylic (Plexiglass) cracks easily, but is harder and more scratch resistant 
than polycarbonate (Lexan). Stock car racers use polycarbonate for windshields 
in their short track race cars. It is the more crack and impact resistant of 
the two plastics, but more likely to cloud if you are too aggressive washing 
it. It is a trade off like everything else, but I would lean toward the Lexan 
in that application. Both of my boats have long Plexiglass side windows, and 
both have one side that is cracked vertically more or less in the middle.



Steve Thomas



 Fred Hazzard via CnC-List 
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The 2 windows I replaced about 7 years ago with Sikka Flex and their primer

have developed a lot of cracks along the top edge.  These cracks are

leaking. I cannot recall if I used polycarbonate or cast acrylic.  Of the 2

choices which would be the better for replacement?  They are relatively

long windows that are held in only by the Sikka Flex.   This time  I plan

to use 3 M tape.



Fred Hazzard



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Re: Stus-List Sale alert automatic inflatable harness

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Don’t know if mustangs interest anyone ,
But they are on sale in Canada , I’m sure USD makes them a better deal)



Tim Sippel
C&C 33mkii
 Matico
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Sale alert automatic inflatable harness

I have both West and Spinlock harnesses on my boat. IMHO the Spinlock is much 
better and certainly is more comfortable. The West Marine version is still way 
better than none if you want to save some cash. I bought the cheap one and then 
my lovely wife got me a Spinlock for Christmas ☺ ☺
Joe
Coquina

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Just a note about the Spinlock harness, which most offshore sailors think is 
the best harness going: I have spoken to the company reps and the reason it's 
not CG certified is that the process is so long and expensive that it isn't 
worth their while.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:48 AM, jhnelson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Just fyi..if you are planning to use it for sanctioned offshore race it would 
need to be modified to have leg straps.  Otherwise it is very similar to mine 
and is very comfy for round the buoys and coastal.



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Date: 2016-02-19 10:11 AM (GMT-04:00)
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Cc: sthom...@bellnet.ca
Subject: Stus-List Sale alert automatic inflatable harness


West Marine has an automatic inflatable harness on sale today only for 150 
bucks. (U.S.)

I have no experience with the product, but I just paid more than twice that 
much for a Spinlock product that is not even coast guard certified.

Steve Thomas
C&C36
Merritt Island, FL

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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

I would second Peter , and while I agree with Steve’s “He didn’t tell me 
anything I didn’t know” (I’m guessing in reference to an insurance survey after 
owning the boat for a period of time) , when it comes to the initial purchase , 
I’d prefer to go with the “Pro” and attend if possible.

IMHO

Tim
C&C 33MKii
Matico

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned the 
value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know. He did a 
good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if you want a 
sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and Nigel 
Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion that you 
have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little beyond me. 
There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of those before 
spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives, like backing 
plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false negatives. If there's 
moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but perhaps a 
bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
Email me privately if you want more details.

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Rino Granito via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> know of a good surveyor that knows the C&C 35 in the Port Dover ,
> Ontario area ??
>
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> Thanks,
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Re: Stus-List C&C 44 Custon

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-buy-sell-other/cambridge/44-c-c-custom/1103688809


is at EYC in Toronto

Tim

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Casciato 
via CnC-List
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Mike, you’re right.the one in MA has been on the market for years………now 
priced at $97K while most others of that era are in the mid 60-75 range………
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1988/C%26C-44-Wing-Keel-8280/Braintree/MA/United-States#.VpUfTPkrLrc

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 10:13 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 44 Custon

Zero is a relative number.

Making a profit of $4 on a flip is nice but -$4 is also a profit… just 
with negative numbers.  Kind of like the negative interest thing starting to go 
on…..

The one on YW is a beauty.  The one on kijiji is not even the same boat.  OK – 
maybe it could be the same model and year but one is a nivce boat and the other 
is a tired old scrap yard

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However, if “flipping” a boat was in fashion..compared to the one for sale 
in MA……….same vintage for $119K……….might be worth a project , maybe even a 
reality TV show………..

Ron C.

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Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 44 Custon

This is a horrible ad.  No information and not one decent picture of the boat.

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of ed 
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Subject: Stus-List C&C 44 Custon


http://www.kijiji.ca/v-buy-sell-other/cambridge/44-c-c-custom/1103688809

Not sure if this has been posted here already. Seems to be in Toronto but I 
don't know this boat.

45k Canadian $ ... 32k US?

Ed

Prime Interest
Toronto





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Re: Stus-List Acoustic insulation in Canada

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Isn't the magic eraser absorbant ?
That can't be good in an engine compartment
I was googlin'  "ABYC"  and "engine" but so far can't find anything specific 
about sound insulation (I do see that absorbent material is not welcome)

Tim

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Acoustic insulation in Canada

One might be better off looking for sound absorbing material from an industrial 
supplier.

Below is a link to sound absorbers at McMaster-Carr.  One the materials listed 
as ''Easy-to-Clean and Fire Retardant'' is melamine foam.   I looked up 
melamine on wikipedia and it turns out to be the standard used for sound 
proofing and also the same foam used for the Mr. Clean Magic Eraser.
Interesting read.


McMaster-Carr sound absorbers: 
http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-foam-acoustical-insulation/=10ksy56


Melamine foam on wikipedia:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine_foam




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Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

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Subject: Stus-List Acoustic insulation in Canada
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Quite often Holland Marine has acoustic insulation on a big discount at the 
Toronto Boat Show. (Next week!) Your timing may be perfect.
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Re: Stus-List Engine acoustic insulation, incl. sources in Canada?

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I just bought a roll from HMP .. haven’t installed yet.

Tim
C&C 33 mkii.

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Hi All,

Have searched the archives and found some great discussion on insulation 
installation practices.  Several folks replaced this material in 2014.  Funny 
remark on the existing material being "both lily and dusty at the same time.   
Mine is making a mess.

Any particularly good materials to recommend?
Any suggestions as to sources in Canada?  (Toronto specifically - film industry 
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Re: Stus-List Upholsterers in the Toronto area?

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I found it was worth the drive to Kitchener

Cushions are going to year 10 this season ...

https://www.facebook.com/FrikosUpholsteryLtd/

As an aside I took photos and measurements for all the cushions and e-mailed 
the document to marine, automotive and furniture upholsterers , not 
surprisingly Marine was expensive , Frikos was a good price , good material 
selection , and they do a lot of Restaurant work ... so are familiar with wear 
and tear

Tim
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Anybody know of a skilled but reasonable shop in the GTA ?  Thanks.

Dave

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Re: Stus-List C&C trademark stripe

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Hey that's practically one stop shopping , thanks

Tim
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Matico
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Hi Len,

I re-did mine a couple years and used a multi-step approach that provided an 
"As New"  look.

  *   I got the trademark enblems  / stars for both ends from Holland Marine in 
Toronto. Those are actual originals. (http://www.hollandmarine.com/) they also 
have the ready made triple stripe in some colors (Easier to install). I needed 
royal blue and they did not have it
  *   I got 2 rolls of royal blue stripes (1/8 width and 1/2" width) from Great 
Lakes skipper http://greatlakesskipper.com/Those are Bayliner stripes and their 
backing has built-in 1/8" spacer area / markings
  *   I got the "Stripe eraser" wheel from ebay 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pinstripe-removal-Discs-Astro-400E-Eraser-Inc-Arbor-400E-AR-stripe-glue-set-/351161305017?hash=item51c2d847b9&item=351161305017&vxp=mtr
  *
  *
Once you get the hang of the eraser wheel it takes about 30 minutes to cleanly 
remove about 30 feet of stripe.

  *   Next step I installed the Original C&C Emblems on both ends, then I layed 
the bottom stripe following the edge of the sunk-in stripe area
  *   I layed the 1/2" middle stripe by following the spacer markings off the 
lower stripe
  *   I layed the top 1/8" stripe by lining-up the spacer backing to the middle 
stripe
  *
It sounds more complicated than it is.  It turned-out outstanding.  I still get 
compliments on how straight and "factory" the stripes look.

-Francois
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Re: Stus-List boat names

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Or..
"Dyslectics untie, there is a dog!"

Tim



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Is he dyslectic?

As in, "Dyslectics unite, there is a dog!"

 Cheers, Russ


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Re: Stus-List boat names

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Hey Joe ,
Combining family names is okay …
Check out the cymbal manufacturer SABIAN
(Sally Billy Andy )

Tim

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(MAxy, TIm, COle)


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Worst List:
Cunning Stunt
Satan’s Mercy (sank on the way to Bermuda, Satan apparently not impressed)
After You (endless potential dates told I named the boat after you)
Wet Dream
Combo of family names: JimBilKarenNateSher


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The Hotel Essex in Fall River MA lost part of its sign lighting at one time.  
At night it was Hot   Sex.  Probably good for business.

worst boat names:  Widow Maker (a C&C)

Joel

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may as well throw mine in.for a C & C 38 landfall
 sea ya ! sailing out of disneyworld, fla
jim

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I race on RoadKill. There's a cal20 called alga y, apparently one of his 
previous boats hailed from Calgary and over time the c and r wore off. The name 
stuck.

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Is he dyslectic?

As in, "Dyslectics unite, there is a dog!"

Cheers, Russ


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Re: Stus-List Interior Cushions

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Hi Al,
This may be a bit late , but a few years I replaced all my interior cushions 
(actually 10 years ago)  .
I took photos of every cushion on the boat and put them in a word document 
along with the measurements for each cushion .
I sent the document to every upholsterer I could find with an e-mail address, 
marine automotive, furniture etc.
Got a response from a upholsterer specializing restaurant furniture (?) he  was 
thousands less than any marine outfit. The upholsterer also had good prices on 
Ultraleather (and a few competitor products)
They suggested I use mesh on the backs of cushions (like on outdoor lawn 
furniture) to save some money and allow better breathing , they still look 
great.
The interesting thing for you Toronto area  readers , the guy is in Kitchener 
... a few blocks from where I was living.


Tim Sippel
Matico
C&C 33mkii


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Subject: Stus-List Interior Cushions

I have a 1981 C & C '34 with original cushions. I recently got an estimate from 
a local marine canvas shop for replacement of all the fabric (retaining the 
original foam) using the lowest cost sunbrella material. I was surprised to see 
it was over $4000 for the job, and over $6000 to replace the foam as well.

I would appreciate any suggestions for alternative ways to go on upgrading the 
interior upholstery.

Thanks in advance.

Al Serrato
Fidelity
San Francisco Bay

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Re: Stus-List Mast on c&c 33 MKII

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Hi ,
My 33MKii has a mast made by C&C . The spin car rides on U shaped channels 
about 5" long  (the slides are internal to the mast) .  I purchased 
replacements from South shore yachts and cut them to size , relatively 
inexpensive , but that was about 6 years ago .


Tim

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Matico .

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There's a good chance the guide has nothing to do with the rig.  Look at the 
harken, schaffer and ronstan websites and see if any of the hardware looks 
familiar.  Schaffer was a popular choice of C&C during that time.  And just 
because it was one thing doesn't mean you can't use a different manufacturer.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On May 13, 2015 6:57 AM, "Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List" 
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I've tried a search and am unable to find the manufacturer of the mast on my 
1985 cnc 33 MKII, need to order new guides for the spin pole car as one is 
broken, any ideas?
Thanx
Brad
C & C 33 "Pulse"
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Re: Stus-List rig tuning

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Hmm cheap out I was just eying up a roll of velcro I have here …

Tim

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I've seen people cheap out with velcro straps and cotter pins for a DIY 
equivalent.

Joel

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I use two per turnbuckle body.  I was trying to find the order - I think it was 
two large (C4) and one small (C3) each side for my 35-3.

Tim

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Jim Reinardy 
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Tim,

Do you just put them on one of the ends, or do you use 2 per turnbuckle body?

Jim Reinardy
C&C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI

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Re: Stus-List Autohelm and raymarine

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I’ll jump in with a question/request:
I have a 4000 mkII that works fine , but the screen is dead , anybody upgrading 
..I ‘d be interested in the display/brain .

Tim
C&C 33mkII  Matico
 Toronto

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I might be interested in buying an old AH4000 box.

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
Coquina
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Bradley,
I have a Autohelm 5000 and ran into similar issues. I am updating all my 
instruments with Raymarine and found out I can use my existing linear drive 
unit just replace the control head using the EV200 then all my instruments will 
communicate. I am using the linear drive because I have a complete spare that 
came with the boat. Check with Raymarine, I am having the Autohelm work done by 
a certified Raymarine installer. It is a little out my depth.

John & Marjolein
Dutch Girl 1979 C&C 36
Spring Lake, Mi

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Well I was over to see the boat today, brought the Autohelm 4000 control box 
home with me. Appears like its an original so there will be no chance of 
communication going on between it and the new stuff. :(( no trace of anything 
other than "Autohelm4000" and made in England so it's got to be as old as dirt!

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Re: Stus-List Annapolis/Newport race

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Depends on how fast you go ..  ;)

Tim
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How long does a race like that take?

I'd love to crew for this but I don't think I can get the time needed...

Danny
Boatless
MA


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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:24:36 -0500

Joel, I have heard nothing from Steve Sharkey for months, he usually does this 
race; has he sold his 37? thanks


Richard
C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
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Subject: Stus-List Annapolis/Newport race
All,

There are 50 boats entered for the race this year, but only 4 C&Cs, my 35, a 
38, 39 and 110.

Complete list is here:
http://www.yachtscoring.com/event_scratch_sheet.cfm?eID=1121

The oldest boat appears to be a Cal 40.  The newest a Gunboat 55, the longest 
and probably most expensive, a Swan 80.

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Re: Stus-List West Marine leaves Canada

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Always check binnacle.ca



Tim
C&C 33mkii
 Toronto

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:40 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List West Marine leaves Canada

That's a bummer .. the two marine stores I frequent, West Marine and Genco. 
Genco has already closed it's doors on Queens Quay and now when West Marine 
closes there will be nowhere to go "in a pinch". Everyone else is quite a drive 
for me. What other options are there on Toronto's downtown waterfront???

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


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Good question.
They never even tried in South Western Ontario.
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From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:10 PM
Subject: Stus-List West Marine leaves Canada

Wonder why?

West Marine plans exit from Canadian market


Marine retailer West Marine will close 10 stores in Canada during the next few 
years, ending its presence in the country.

“We have some fantastic associates up in Canada. This was a very difficult 
decision for us,” West Marine CEO Matthew Hyde told analysts during a quarterly 
earnings call Oct. 23. “That said, this is all about ensuring that when leases 
come up that we’re making the right determination about where we invest our 
money.”

The company has seven leases coming up throughout the coming year, “so we’re 
going to be in Canada for quite some time,” Hyde said.

But the leases that were coming up “didn’t meet our minimum hurdles,” he said. 
Also, Canada faces some additional expenses. “So we will be closing our stores 
in Canada over the next few years,” Hyde said.

With the exception of the Toronto store, where the company has the lease 
termination at the end of this year, the six additional stores will operate 
“basically through the season,” said CFO Thomas Moran.

“As you can imagine, Canada is a pretty highly seasonal market. So that’s just 
a callout about next year.

But beyond that, the impact on our top-line sales and on in our contribution 
and profitability is immaterial [in 2015],” Moran said.




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Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

I agree, White all around mast head light is Anchor .



Tim


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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:16 AM
To: Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs

I must disagree. Steaming light is forward facing white light located 
approximately 2/3 way up mast and showing 225 degrees forward only, lit along 
with running lights when motoring a sailing vessel.  It is not all around white 
masthead light.  my belief.
Bill Walker
Evening Star
CnV 36




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From: "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: "C&C List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>, "Burt 
Stratton" mailto:bstrat...@falconnect.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs
Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2014 11:07 AM



You got it.  Steaming=masthead.

On Nov 6, 2014 11:06 AM, "Burt Stratton via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>

wrote:



> Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light?

>

>

>

> For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern lights,

> tri-color (which is mounted  on the mast and used as an alternate to the

> deck mounted bi-color and stern lights, and the anchor light. Is "steaming

> light" another term for masthead light?

>

>

>

> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave

> Godwin via CnC-List

> *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM

> *To:* Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com

> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs

>

>

>

> ... and I could could buy a bigger (C&C!) boat if I had a dollar for every

> time I have seen the tri-color AND the ship's running lights on at night.

> Here's another one that I found "amusing", sailboat under power, tri-color

> light on, and the steaming light lit. Now there's an interesting lighting

> configuration.

>

>

>

> Cheers,

>

>

>

> Dave Godwin

> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin

> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay

>

> Ronin's Overdue Refit 

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <

> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>

>

>

> Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But

> it may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition

> to deck level lights.

>

> Andy

>

> C&C 40

>

> Peregrine

>

>

> Andrew Burton

>

> 61 W Narragansett

>

> Newport, RI

>

> USA02840

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>

>

> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

>

> +401 965-5260

>

>

> On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>

> wrote:

>

> Joe:  it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute

> for deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition.

>

>

>

> Bob

>

> Bob Boyer

>

> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD

>

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>

> email: dainyr...@icloud.com

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Re: Stus-List Valuing old Sails for Donation

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Mmm bacon

Whats that saying ?  you can’t make a bacon purse out of a silkworm …

Or ..
If pigs could fly .. think how good the wings would taste.

Tim
 Toronto<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=250>

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:00 PM
To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Valuing old Sails for Donation

You probably could not buy a pound of bacon for the money a 25 year old sail is 
worth ….

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:59 PM
To: Tim Sippel; cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Valuing old Sails for Donation

Or Bacon?

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Tim Sippel via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Why not try a used sail dealer

http://www.secondwindsails.com/(first hit on google)see what they would 
sell a sail in similar size/condition and go from there ?



Tim
C&C 33Mkii

 Toronto


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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:34 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Valuing old Sails for Donation

Listers,

I'm looking to donate some of my old sails to charity. Each one that I have 
contacted asks that I provide a written valuation for them which they will sign 
off on.

Does anyone know of a formula or other method for valuing used sails? I'm not 
looking to cheat the government (though don't get me started) or cause problems 
for a charity.

There has to be a way to come up with a fair value, no?

Appreciate any ideas or website links that could start the process.

Hailing frequencies open. On screen.

All the best,

Edd

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Re: Stus-List Awesome weekend coming - cruise alert!

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

This weekend   is the cruise from Crane to cradle... hope the weathers good 
just the same.

Tim
 Toronto


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:49 AM
To: OldSteveH; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Awesome weekend coming - cruise alert!

Persistence is sitting patiently at dock waiting for her last sail of
the season on Saturday.  Die Hard race out of AYC.  The final event in
the schedule

Mast coming down Monday

Has been a great season

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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 11:36 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Awesome weekend coming - cruise alert!

Sadly Diamond Girl is shorn of her mast and already on the hard.
Maybe I will go sit on the deck, look out over big beautiful Georgian
Bay and enjoy the fine weather this weekend with a beverage.

Happy sailing!

Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON



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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:28:35 -0500
From: "Dennis C." 
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Subject: Stus-List Awesome weekend coming - cruise alert!
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Weather looks great for the Gulf Coast for the next 6-7 days.  Highs
near 80, lows under 60 and no chance of rain.

The Admiral and I are seizing the weather window and taking Touche' to
Pensacola for a few weeks.  We want to watch the Blue Angels Home Show
the weekend of Nov. 8.  We'll spend weekends there and bring it back to
Lake Pontchartrain after Thanksgiving.

Plan is to leave early Friday and get to Gulfport, MS (10 hours).  Then
depart early Saturday and get to The Wharf Marina on the ICW at Orange
Beach, AL (12 hours) in time to watch an evening football game.  On to
Pensacola for lunch Sunday (4 hours).  Winds look light so probably have
to motor but should be pleasant delivery anyway.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Valuing old Sails for Donation

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Why not try a used sail dealer

http://www.secondwindsails.com/(first hit on google)see what they would 
sell a sail in similar size/condition and go from there ?



Tim
C&C 33Mkii

 Toronto


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay 
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:34 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Valuing old Sails for Donation

Listers,

I'm looking to donate some of my old sails to charity. Each one that I have 
contacted asks that I provide a written valuation for them which they will sign 
off on.

Does anyone know of a formula or other method for valuing used sails? I'm not 
looking to cheat the government (though don't get me started) or cause problems 
for a charity.

There has to be a way to come up with a fair value, no?

Appreciate any ideas or website links that could start the process.

Hailing frequencies open. On screen.

All the best,

Edd

---
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Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
www.StarshipSailing.com
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Re: Stus-List Farley Mowat and thanks

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Never cry wolf !!

Tim

 Toronto

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Farley Mowat and thanks

Sometime last spring, someone on the list mentioned that he was reading the 
Farley Mowat book; "The Boat Who Wouldn't Float"; I had never heard of Mr. 
Mowat, but noted that the comment was that the book was enjoyable. So I picked 
up a used paperback copy on ebay.  I laid it aside during spring launch and 
other activities, and came across it a couple of weeks ago.   I just finished 
the book and I am hooked. This was a great read and I couldn't put it down.  
Since I know little of the northern waters described in the book, I kept my 
laptop next to me and scoped out all of the places they went, which made it 
even more enjoyable.   So thank you to whomever it was that suggested the book, 
I am now a Mowat fan!

Richard
1985 37 CB, Ohio River, Mile 584;
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Jim Watts via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>; 1 CnC List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Fri, Oct 17, 2014 12:11 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl
Interlux Special Thinner 216 dissolves butyl beautifully and leaves no 
noticeable residue. I use it to prep many surfaces for painting or caulking.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 16 October 2014 20:11, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Goo Gone or similar.  Final clean with denatured alcohol.
BTW, denatured alcohol removes uncured, repeat uncured, 5200 well.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
But the question was "what would remove butyl where it was not wanted".  Agreed 
varsol and paint thinner leave an 'oily film'.why wouldn't they, they are 
petroleum based.

But varsol and paint thinner will remove butyl and will not harm your deck 
paint any more than the splashing of diesel fuel we apply to our deck paint, 
annually!

So clean any space that needs proper sealing, clean it after the butyl is 
removed with TSP and/or acetone if the substrate can tolerate acetone.

What product would you recommend Mike use to clean his unwanted butyl ?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.




On 2014/10/15 1:50 PM, Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List wrote:
My experiance with varsol and paint thinner is that they leave residue that 
prevents proper sealing.

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From: "Robert Abbott via CnC-List" 

Sent: 15 October, 2014 11:30 AM
To: "Hoyt, Mike" , 
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Subject: Stus-List Butyl
Mike:
Varsol or any paint thinner will clean butyl.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

Unstepped the mast yesterday.being hauled out any day now!




On 2014/10/15 10:34 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:
The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it from 
where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been using butyl 
would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid and nearly impossible 
to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent that rids us of that?

Mike
Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence




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Re: Stus-List sailing this weekend

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

*sigh*

With any luck we won’t get rained on as we unstep another 80+ masts Saturday 
and Sunday

Tim
C&C 33MKII
 Toronto

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Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Rain is clearing out for us right now. I’ll get – if all goes as planned – a 
beam reach to Baltimore in light southerlies tomorrow and a broad reach home in 
15-20 on Sunday.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
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Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:07 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List sailing this weekend

Rain rain rain rain rain rain rain.
That's our forecast for the next 7 days. We might get a bit of a break today so 
this may be the day I go out and take all the summer cruising gear off.
While a little depressing, the good side of this is that the boat sails much 
better without all that crap on it.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 16 October 2014 07:48, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Possible day sail Saturday, then frostbiting out of West River Sunday.

Enjoy Charm City!

Joel

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Anyone headed out? It looks like we’ll have frontal passage here Saturday 
night, so the plan is to go to Baltimore and then sail home with 15 knots on 
the stern Sunday. We were going to go to Saint Michaels, but the forecast is 
uphill both ways and I don’t trust Kent Narrows with a strong northerly.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35

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Re: Stus-List rebed through-hulls

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Sinkaflex  … wait for it ….

Tim

 Toronto

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To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List rebed through-hulls

Sinkaflex is good. Wear gloves.

Joel

On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
How about rebedding the through hulls? Someone mentioned Sikaflex. Any 
recommendations? I know I have to do one of them this off-season (probably 
spring, though). The through- hull is marelon (if it matters).

Marek

-Original Message- From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:35 AM
To: Burt Stratton via CnC-List
Subject: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed

Butyl Tape or 4200? Lewmar hatch though not sure that matters.

Thanks
Kevin
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

I call that the J.C.F. line…

Tim \
 Toronto
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Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a 
short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under 
power either way and under sail going downwind.

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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Hi Steve … Come to EYC and practice on the Visitor pump-out dock   ;)


Tim
33MKII
 Toronto
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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:26 PM
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I've always wanted to practice sailing to a dock, but I don't have a slip. I've 
sailed on and off of a single point mooring but not my three point mooring. The 
three point dictates which direction you're approaching from regardless where 
the wind is. Same as a slip but with a slip you can sidle up with the spring 
line, not so with the mooring. Quickly grabbing a stern line and throwing it on 
a winch is fine and all but not optimal. Optimal is bringing the boat to a stop 
and leisurely dealing with the lines. Not always an option depending on 
conditions of course.

How do you stop the boat with the wind behind you?

I'm eager to learn this but I'm also eager not to damage my boat on the gnarly 
breakwall just forward of my slot. We're finally gonna get a sail in today 
after work, maybe I'll try it with the motor in neutral, just in case. Main or 
jib? Which is more appropriate for manoeuvring and docking in tight quarters 
shorthanded?

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
 (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway)

Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills 
over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says we 
have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib or 
just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats waiting 
for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty.

And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the engine. 
Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of a man 
overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS practice 
MOB retreival under sail.

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I 
think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine 
every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning 
into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of 
us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails 
alone.

The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not 
get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail 
shorthanded.

This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger 
vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that.

Marek

From: dwight via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM
To: 'Russ & Melody' ; 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by 
“marina”.  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” 
using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind 
conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use 
auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock 
or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not 
outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a 
purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a 
mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field 
in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky


Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


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Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?


In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business 
was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or 
something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on 
sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels 
operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power.

That was the end of discussion.

Good times.

Cheers, Russ
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Re: Stus-List Was now docking ...now getting busy

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

A need to set up another RESP ?

Tim Toronto
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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:17 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Was now docking ...now getting busy

My yanmar is a battery charger/hot water maker.
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Re: Stus-List A tribute to Doyle Sail Loft

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Tequila makes my Keel fall off.

Tim
 Toronto
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Yes, I've had good experience with Doyle here on Long Island as well.

Just be warned - I hear Doyle sails will make your keel fall off,

Everyone's thinking it- I'm just saying...

John

On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:30 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I'm sure many of you know this but what a great company! I left a simple 
question about determining the fabric of my Doyle sails so I could figure out 
what to use to clean the mildew stains on their "info" email address. I heard 
back from Janet Doyle (my assumption is an owner or executive at least) who 
referred me to the guy that runs the sail loft (Bill) who called me and offered 
to have me bring my sails down so he could look at them and let me know what, 
if any options I had to clean them. These are old Kevlar racing sails that have 
probably begun delaminating but he said we may be able to get them looking a 
little better. Frankly the mildew stains are not that bad. I was just hoping 
for an easy solution to having at least clean sails.

I am impressed at the level of service they offer and it is obvious they know 
their stuff. It is also helpful that they are 30 minutes from my marina.

My 2 cents

Skip

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Re: Stus-List Joker valve war / Head reliability

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

I agree with replacing the pump assembly.
I “upgraded” the Jabsco head to a twist lock, rebuild kit was 69.99, complete 
assembly was 79.00… order a spare Joker as well
Four screws a gear clamp and you’re done.
No messing around with crusty gaskets and rubber.

http://ca.binnacle.com/p6899/ITT-TWIST-&-LOCK-TOILET-PUMP-ASSEMBLY/product_info.html

Tim
C&C 33MKII
 Toronto
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Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:46 PM
To: Tim Goodyear; CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Joker valve war / Head reliability

I've had a Jabsco for 14 years.  3-4 years ago, I put the Twist and Lock pump 
assembly on it.  Other than the joker valve scaling up, it has worked well.
FWI, regardless of brand of head, my advice to all is to consider replacing the 
entire pump assembly rather than rebuilding an existing one.  For most manual 
heads, the cost differential isn't great but you get better results.  You don't 
know if the old pump cylinder is scored or if other parts not included in the 
rebuild kit are OK.  Plus, it's quicker and easier to replace the pump assembly 
than to install a rebuild kit.
For instance, a pump assembly for the Jabsco is $82 on 
amazon.com 
(http://www.amazon.com/Jabsco-29040-3000-Marine-Manual-Assembly/dp/B001794BS0). 
 A rebuild kit is $57 
(http://www.amazon.com/Jabsco-29045-2000-Marine-Manual-Service/dp/B000O8D38E).
Is 30-45 minutes of your time worth $25 and the risk of a botched rebuild?
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Tim Goodyear 
mailto:timg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Rebuilding heads seems to be a popular activity at this time of year; I 
replaced all valves in my Headmate head last weekend.  It's not a bad job, but 
I always remember why I bought the stubby Phillips #2 screwdriver when I do it. 
 The previous weekend I dumped four gallons of vinegar into the system to clear 
scale off.  It worked for the joker valve, but I was still having issues with 
the pump losing prime and not drying easily without holding the valve leaver 
down.  Once apart, it was pretty obvious why - the metal backing washer from 
one of the inlet valve had corroded off the rubber piece, and while I was there 
I just changed all the parts that were in the service kit.

Joker valves seem to be common across head designs, and a necessary evil, but I 
am fed up with having to rebuild the pump on the Headmate once or twice a year, 
so am planning to replace it this winter.  Can anyone share experiences with 
their heads (ours gets very light use, strictly no solids)?  I am considering 
the Jabsco Twist n Lock or the Raritan PHC.

Thanks,

Tim









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Re: Stus-List A real life "All is Lost"

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Umm seriously would anyone pay 4 grand  for the privilege to fish this out of 
the water ?

Tim
C&C 33MKII
 Toronto
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Thankfully not mine.

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/barrie/sailboat-as-is-where-is-all-is-lost/603720077?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

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Re: Stus-List Repositioning Mast - now compass oil

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

I don't know if its "light mineral oil "  but I use mineral oil (bought from 
shoppers drug mart or no frills) To clean and season my wooden cutting blocks .
Sewing machine oil , I have purchased large quantities of that from the Local 
singer outlet.

Tim Sippel
>
 Toronto
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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 1:57 PM
To: 'Stevan Plavsa'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Repositioning Mast - now compass oil

Sewing machine oil should do fine...


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 On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: June 5, 2014 2:42 PM
To: C&C List
Subject: Re: Stus-List Repositioning Mast - now compass oil

West Marine does sell it .. in the States, but not in Canada. I called the 
local chandleries and no one can get it. So I think I have to stick to light 
mineral oil. Where does one find light mineral oil?

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Josh Muckley 
mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

West marine sells ritchie compass oil.
On Jun 4, 2014 11:40 PM, "Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thanks all. I used a pipe wrench and a piece of wood as a cushion and 'drove 
her home' (after taking any tension out of the rig). Worked out a-ok. Then I 
turned my attention to the binnacle and compass. Anyone know where a guy can 
get light mineral oil? I tried the pharmacy but all they had was heavy mineral 
oil. I have an aquamarine galaxy compass that developed an air bubble tonight 
.. oops.

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:06 PM, John Irvin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Don't  forget a lucky coin!

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
Sent: 2014-06-04 8:56 PM

To: Stevan Plavsa; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Repositioning Mast
Steve,

Others have given you good advice. Just count the turns on the shrouds as you 
loosen the rig.   Use a pry bar to move it forward. No biggie.

I put shims under my mast by loosening the rig, placing a vehicle jack under a 
winch, lifting it and sliding the shims under the butt.

Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I made a stupid newbie mistake when we stepped the mast. In my defence it was 
> a busy, windy, choppy day and we had to hire a crane to come to the club to 
> step everyone's mast .. and I helped everyone, so when it came time to do my 
> boat I was kind of on autopilot. We stepped 29 masts that day.
>
> So I failed to remember that there are wedges fore and aft at the mast base 
> that keep the mast centered in the step. My girlfriend says to me the other 
> day while pointing at a pair of wedges in the boat .. did you forget to put 
> the wedges in the partner? Um, no I did not. Then I realized my mistake and 
> took a look at the mast base ... the mast is seated all the way aft. I guess 
> this would cause some forward rake? I'm all ears in regards to how this might 
> affect the rig, sail shape, etc?
>
> In any case, I'de like to center the thing and put the wedges where they are 
> supposed to go. I know I can loosen the tension on the rig and I've used 
> halyards in place of the forestay and shrouds on previous occasions to fix 
> this or that but even with the rig tension way down is the weight of the mast 
> itself going to prevent me from sliding it forward about 1.5 inches? What 
> would be the correct order to loosen the rig? Backstay, lowers, uppers? I'de 
> rather not futz with the forestay if I can help it but I did just disconnect 
> it about a week ago to fix a kink in the furler so I'm not shy to do it again.
>
> Any help/recommendations are much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Repositioning Mast - now compass oil

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Do you need a Beef Hook ?

Tim >
 Toronto
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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 1:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Repositioning Mast - now compass oil

Whale oil will also work. :-)

Bill Bina
On 6/5/2014 1:41 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
West Marine does sell it .. in the States, but not in Canada. I called the 
local chandleries and no one can get it. So I think I have to stick to light 
mineral oil. Where does one find light mineral oil?

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto







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