Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull

2017-04-07 Thread Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
Damian,

That is a great idea, and while obvious in hindsight, never occured to me
before you mentioned it! Thanks!

Best,
Tom

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017, 7:52 PM  wrote:

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> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 19:14:59 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull
> Tom,
>
> Maybe stating the obvious, but I would try drilling a test hole in a piece
> of scrap plywood, to test out getting a snug fit. It's not easy to change
> the size of the hole once drilled :-)
>
> Damian
>
> C&C 34 GHOST
> Bass Harbor, Maine
>
> --
> *From:* Sam Salter via CnC-List 
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Sam Salter 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 5, 2017 6:18 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull
>
> Using tape and starting in reverse to drill a neat hole through gel coat
> is good advice.
> Depending on where you drill, you might get balsa core, especially above
> the waterline  (not sure if the 35 has a cored hull)
> I don't think silicone has any place on a boat. I'd use Sikaflex. (I'm not
> keen on butyl either‎ - my deck to hull joint is butyl and it drips
> everywhere!)
> ‎Why a 1 1/4" hole for a 1 1/8" fitting?
>
> sam :-)
> C&C 26 Liquorice
> Ghost Lake Alberta
>
>   Original Message
> From: Steve Thomas via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 10:59 AM
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull
>
> 3M 4200 will work, but if the fitting is plastic, chances are you will be
> replacing it again someday. 4200 is not as difficult as 5200, but neither
> is easy to remove. Above the waterline through hulls are the only place
> that I use silicone. Polysulfide (Life Caulk) would probably work, but
> there is a caution about its use with plastics, and I don't know why. All
> of the plastic tank vent through hulls, the shower through hull, and the
> electric bilge through hulls needed replacement on my C&C36. Southern
> sunshine!
>
> Steve Thomas
>
>  Thomas Delaney via CnC-List  wrote:
> Hi listers,
>
> Thanks, everyone, for your advice on the solar charging system and ACR.
> Onto the next project!
>
> I'm going to be drilling a hole in the hull to install a
> well-above-the-waterline thruhull for a bilge pump discharge hose. The
> thruhull is 1 1/8" inch, so I'm going to use a 1 1/4" hole saw drill bit.
> I'm going to seal it with 3m 4200. Does this plan make sense? Are there any
> surprises to expect?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
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> C&C 35 Mk I
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Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull

2017-04-06 Thread Damian Greene via CnC-List 
Tom,
Maybe stating the obvious, but I would try drilling a test hole in a piece of 
scrap plywood, to test out getting a snug fit. It's not easy to change the size 
of the hole once drilled :-)
Damian
C&C 34 GHOSTBass Harbor, Maine

  From: Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Sam Salter 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 6:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull
   
Using tape and starting in reverse to drill a neat hole through gel coat is 
good advice.
Depending on where you drill, you might get balsa core, especially above the 
waterline  (not sure if the 35 has a cored hull)
I don't think silicone has any place on a boat. I'd use Sikaflex. (I'm not keen 
on butyl either‎ - my deck to hull joint is butyl and it drips everywhere!)
‎Why a 1 1/4" hole for a 1 1/8" fitting? 

sam :-)
C&C 26 Liquorice 
Ghost Lake Alberta 

  Original Message  
From: Steve Thomas via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 10:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull

3M 4200 will work, but if the fitting is plastic, chances are you will be 
replacing it again someday. 4200 is not as difficult as 5200, but neither is 
easy to remove. Above the waterline through hulls are the only place that I use 
silicone. Polysulfide (Life Caulk) would probably work, but there is a caution 
about its use with plastics, and I don't know why. All of the plastic tank vent 
through hulls, the shower through hull, and the electric bilge through hulls 
needed replacement on my C&C36. Southern sunshine!

Steve Thomas

 Thomas Delaney via CnC-List  wrote: 
Hi listers,

Thanks, everyone, for your advice on the solar charging system and ACR.
Onto the next project!

I'm going to be drilling a hole in the hull to install a
well-above-the-waterline thruhull for a bilge pump discharge hose. The
thruhull is 1 1/8" inch, so I'm going to use a 1 1/4" hole saw drill bit.
I'm going to seal it with 3m 4200. Does this plan make sense? Are there any
surprises to expect?

Thanks,
Tom

---
Snow Goose
C&C 35 Mk I
City Island, NY


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Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull (Sam Salter)

2017-04-05 Thread Sam Salter via CnC-List 
My thoughts are:
When you drill a hole with a hole saw it’s going to be a little larger anyway. 
But I don’t see the need for clearance – you want a fairly tight, solid fit. 
Lots of “goop” (...a technical term!) doesn’t seal any better. The seal is one 
molecule wide between the hull and sealant and one molecule wide between the 
sealant and the through hull. The rest is just mess to clean up! The seal will 
be on the through hull flange (on the outside) and the washer on the inside. 
Therefore any extra sealant in a larger hole would be redundant.

(I hate silicone and I hate butyl! ☹)
...jut sayin’ 😊

sam :-)

From: Thomas Delaney via CnC-List
Sent: April 5, 2017 12:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Thomas Delaney
Subject: Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull (Sam Salter)

Sam, 
Actually, your question is something I would like to hear the list's thoughts 
on. I've read that you should drill the hole a size larger than the thruhull, 
but I have no idea if that is best practice or not. Should I be drilling the 
hole the same size as the thruhull, or should it be a little larger?

Best,
Tom

---
Snow Goose
C&C 35 Mk I
City Island, NY

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Bcc: 
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 11:17:10 -0600
Subject: Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull
Using tape and starting in reverse to drill a neat hole through gel coat is 
good advice.
Depending on where you drill, you might get balsa core, especially above the 
waterline  (not sure if the 35 has a cored hull)
I don't think silicone has any place on a boat. I'd use Sikaflex. (I'm not keen 
on butyl either‎ - my deck to hull joint is butyl and it drips everywhere!)
‎Why a 1 1/4" hole for a 1 1/8" fitting? 

sam :-)
C&C 26 Liquorice 
Ghost Lake Alberta 

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Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull (Sam Salter)

2017-04-05 Thread Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
Sam,

Actually, your question is something I would like to hear the list's
thoughts on. I've read that you should drill the hole a size larger than
the thruhull, but I have no idea if that is best practice or not. Should I
be drilling the hole the same size as the thruhull, or should it be a
little larger?

Best,
Tom

---
Snow Goose
C&C 35 Mk I
City Island, NY

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From: Sam Salter 
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Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 11:17:10 -0600
Subject: Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull
Using tape and starting in reverse to drill a neat hole through gel coat is
good advice.
Depending on where you drill, you might get balsa core, especially above
the waterline  (not sure if the 35 has a cored hull)
I don't think silicone has any place on a boat. I'd use Sikaflex. (I'm not
keen on butyl either‎ - my deck to hull joint is butyl and it drips
everywhere!)
‎Why a 1 1/4" hole for a 1 1/8" fitting?

sam :-)
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
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Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull

2017-04-05 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Just a caution on using a hole saw.  You shouldn't have a problem with a 1
1/4 hole saw but when using a larger one you should use a drill with a side
handle.  I have a corded 1/2 inch drill with a side handle that I use for
all hole saw work.  A broken wrist could be painful.  :)

Dennis C.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi listers,
>
> Thanks, everyone, for your advice on the solar charging system and ACR.
> Onto the next project!
>
> I'm going to be drilling a hole in the hull to install a
> well-above-the-waterline thruhull for a bilge pump discharge hose. The
> thruhull is 1 1/8" inch, so I'm going to use a 1 1/4" hole saw drill bit.
> I'm going to seal it with 3m 4200. Does this plan make sense? Are there any
> surprises to expect?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>  ---
> Snow Goose
> C&C 35 Mk I
> City Island, NY
>
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Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull

2017-04-05 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Exactly.

Dennis C.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Dennis helped me with a similar project.  Key is to not break the gelcoat!
> IIRC, put masking tape over the area on the outside.  Drill a small pilot
> hold from the inside through the hull.  Use your hole saw first from the
> inside, drilling 1/2 way through, then drill the rest from the outside.
>
> Dennis, did I get it right?
>
> Joel
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi listers,
>>
>> Thanks, everyone, for your advice on the solar charging system and ACR.
>> Onto the next project!
>>
>> I'm going to be drilling a hole in the hull to install a
>> well-above-the-waterline thruhull for a bilge pump discharge hose. The
>> thruhull is 1 1/8" inch, so I'm going to use a 1 1/4" hole saw drill bit.
>> I'm going to seal it with 3m 4200. Does this plan make sense? Are there any
>> surprises to expect?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Joel
> 301 541 8551 <(301)%20541-8551>
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Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull

2017-04-05 Thread Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
LifeCaulk is not recommended for plastics because it’s partly a polysulfide 
product, which will eat plastic.  LifeSeal is my product of choice for this.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 5, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 3M 4200 will work, but if the fitting is plastic, chances are you will be 
> replacing it again someday. 4200 is not as difficult as 5200, but neither is 
> easy to remove. Above the waterline through hulls are the only place that I 
> use silicone. Polysulfide (Life Caulk) would probably work, but there is a 
> caution about its use with plastics, and I don't know why. All of the plastic 
> tank vent through hulls, the shower through hull, and the electric bilge 
> through hulls needed replacement on my C&C36. Southern sunshine!
> 
> Steve Thomas

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Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull

2017-04-05 Thread Sam Salter via CnC-List 
Using tape and starting in reverse to drill a neat hole through gel coat is 
good advice.
Depending on where you drill, you might get balsa core, especially above the 
waterline  (not sure if the 35 has a cored hull)
I don't think silicone has any place on a boat. I'd use Sikaflex. (I'm not keen 
on butyl either‎ - my deck to hull joint is butyl and it drips everywhere!)
‎Why a 1 1/4" hole for a 1 1/8" fitting? 

sam :-)
C&C 26 Liquorice 
Ghost Lake Alberta 

  Original Message  
From: Steve Thomas via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 10:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull

3M 4200 will work, but if the fitting is plastic, chances are you will be 
replacing it again someday. 4200 is not as difficult as 5200, but neither is 
easy to remove. Above the waterline through hulls are the only place that I use 
silicone. Polysulfide (Life Caulk) would probably work, but there is a caution 
about its use with plastics, and I don't know why. All of the plastic tank vent 
through hulls, the shower through hull, and the electric bilge through hulls 
needed replacement on my C&C36. Southern sunshine!

Steve Thomas

 Thomas Delaney via CnC-List  wrote: 
Hi listers,

Thanks, everyone, for your advice on the solar charging system and ACR.
Onto the next project!

I'm going to be drilling a hole in the hull to install a
well-above-the-waterline thruhull for a bilge pump discharge hose. The
thruhull is 1 1/8" inch, so I'm going to use a 1 1/4" hole saw drill bit.
I'm going to seal it with 3m 4200. Does this plan make sense? Are there any
surprises to expect?

Thanks,
Tom

---
Snow Goose
C&C 35 Mk I
City Island, NY


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Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull

2017-04-05 Thread Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
3M 4200 will work, but if the fitting is plastic, chances are you will be 
replacing it again someday. 4200 is not as difficult as 5200, but neither is 
easy to remove. Above the waterline through hulls are the only place that I use 
silicone. Polysulfide (Life Caulk) would probably work, but there is a caution 
about its use with plastics, and I don't know why. All of the plastic tank vent 
through hulls, the shower through hull, and the electric bilge through hulls 
needed replacement on my C&C36. Southern sunshine!

Steve Thomas

 Thomas Delaney via CnC-List  wrote: 
Hi listers,

Thanks, everyone, for your advice on the solar charging system and ACR.
Onto the next project!

I'm going to be drilling a hole in the hull to install a
well-above-the-waterline thruhull for a bilge pump discharge hose. The
thruhull is 1 1/8" inch, so I'm going to use a 1 1/4" hole saw drill bit.
I'm going to seal it with 3m 4200. Does this plan make sense? Are there any
surprises to expect?

Thanks,
Tom

 ---
Snow Goose
C&C 35 Mk I
City Island, NY


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Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull

2017-04-05 Thread svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
Joel that's the way I do it. 


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 Original message From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
 Date: 4/5/17  09:20  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joel Aronson  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull 
Tom,
Dennis helped me with a similar project.  Key is to not break the gelcoat!IIRC, 
put masking tape over the area on the outside.  Drill a small pilot hold from 
the inside through the hull.  Use your hole saw first from the inside, drilling 
1/2 way through, then drill the rest from the outside.
Dennis, did I get it right?
Joel
On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Hi listers,
Thanks, everyone, for your advice on the solar charging system and ACR. Onto 
the next project!
I'm going to be drilling a hole in the hull to install a 
well-above-the-waterline thruhull for a bilge pump discharge hose. The thruhull 
is 1 1/8" inch, so I'm going to use a 1 1/4" hole saw drill bit. I'm going to 
seal it with 3m 4200. Does this plan make sense? Are there any surprises to 
expect?
Thanks,Tom
 ---
Snow Goose
C&C 35 Mk I
City Island, NY



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Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull

2017-04-05 Thread Lee Youngblood via CnC-List 
Hi Joel,

I’d run the holesaw in reverse to lightly go through the gelcoat. Once you have 
a good clean pilot hole, you could start out side and likely finish from 
outside.  Hole saws can be wicked in close quarters, and you don’t want to 
enlarge your pilot hole before you make your “clean cut”.

2 cents, Lee


> On Apr 5, 2017, at 9:20 04AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Dennis helped me with a similar project.  Key is to not break the gelcoat!
> IIRC, put masking tape over the area on the outside.  Drill a small pilot 
> hold from the inside through the hull.  Use your hole saw first from the 
> inside, drilling 1/2 way through, then drill the rest from the outside.
> 
> Dennis, did I get it right?
> 
> Joel
> 
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Hi listers,
> 
> Thanks, everyone, for your advice on the solar charging system and ACR. Onto 
> the next project!
> 
> I'm going to be drilling a hole in the hull to install a 
> well-above-the-waterline thruhull for a bilge pump discharge hose. The 
> thruhull is 1 1/8" inch, so I'm going to use a 1 1/4" hole saw drill bit. I'm 
> going to seal it with 3m 4200. Does this plan make sense? Are there any 
> surprises to expect?
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom
> 
>  ---
> Snow Goose
> C&C 35 Mk I
> City Island, NY
> 
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Re: Stus-List Drilling a Hole in the Hull

2017-04-05 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Tom,

Dennis helped me with a similar project.  Key is to not break the gelcoat!
IIRC, put masking tape over the area on the outside.  Drill a small pilot
hold from the inside through the hull.  Use your hole saw first from the
inside, drilling 1/2 way through, then drill the rest from the outside.

Dennis, did I get it right?

Joel

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi listers,
>
> Thanks, everyone, for your advice on the solar charging system and ACR.
> Onto the next project!
>
> I'm going to be drilling a hole in the hull to install a
> well-above-the-waterline thruhull for a bilge pump discharge hose. The
> thruhull is 1 1/8" inch, so I'm going to use a 1 1/4" hole saw drill bit.
> I'm going to seal it with 3m 4200. Does this plan make sense? Are there any
> surprises to expect?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>  ---
> Snow Goose
> C&C 35 Mk I
> City Island, NY
>
>
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