Re: Stus-List Genoa track leaking on a '94 37/40+, can't seem to access underside?

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Thanks Rob for the follow through.  I appreciate your being a great 
resource!Bruce Whitmore Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Rob Ball  Date: 
3/20/19  4:48 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Bruce Whitmore , Rob 
Ball via CnC-List  Subject: RE: Stus-List Genoa track 
leaking on a '94 37/40+, can't seem to access underside? 

I got word from the C glass shop.
They only used the laminated-in tracks on the new 30  ., . . .
So, I misled you . . . .
Rob Ball

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Re: Stus-List Genoa track leaking on a '94 37/40+, can't seem to access underside?

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

I got word from the C glass shop.
They only used the laminated-in tracks on the new 30  ., . . .
So, I misled you . . . .
Rob Ball
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Re: Stus-List Genoa track leaking on a '94 37/40+, can't seem to access underside?

[David via CnC-List]

When I ground out the headliner to get to the cabin-top under-deck (what a 
mess) to install my blade tracks, I had the boat yard fabricate a routed strip 
of teak to cover the whole mess.  Looks like it was always there.


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Edd Schillay via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 9:54 AM
To: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Re: Stus-List Genoa track leaking on a '94 37/40+, can't seem to 
access underside?

Bruce,

That is fascinating, On the Enterprise, there are holes with plastic covers all 
along that underside. I’m guessing the previous owner of yours sealed that all 
up. I wonder why.

I’m thinking you’re going to have to figure out exactly where the holes were 
and drill new ones (and get new caps) — spooking of which, does anyone know a 
source e to get new caps?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log<http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>









On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hello all,

I saw a while back that Josh Muckley had taken off and rebedded his port side 
Genoa track, and had tightened the port side, in both cases eliminating leaks.  
I have a slight leak as well, and tried some Captain Tolley's in the short 
term, and it helped but did not eliminate the issue.  I'd like to deal with it 
more permanently.  The issue is, I cannot seem to find where to access any of 
the nuts on the underside.  I've looked in the cabinets, etc.  Included are 
links to a couple photos.  In the last photo, you can see where the track is 
mounted immediately outside the fixed port, and from there, looking at the 
inside you can see where, if the nuts were going to be accessible, they should 
be immediately behind the wood "rail" that shields the small light above the 
fridge.

View of fridge and galley 
area.jpg<https://www.dropbox.com/s/3hovy6tapdb9i8m/View%20of%20fridge%20and%20galley%20area.jpg?dl=0>
View of underside of Genoa 
track.jpg<https://www.dropbox.com/s/7hukh2d9qel3o5a/View%20of%20underside%20of%20Genoa%20track.jpg?dl=0>
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lws3x9cz1lfw7as/View%20through%20fixed%20port%2C%20starboard%20side.jpg?dl=0

Any ideas?

I could try simply tightening them from the top, but I'd be concerned about 
spinning the nut on the underside and tearing up the sealant that is there, 
making the leak worse.

Looking forward to your insights,


Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net>
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Re: Stus-List Genoa track leaking on a '94 37/40+, can't seem to access underside?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Hi Edd, 

I think Rob Ball's idea is probably spot on, as the liner is factory, with no 
repairs to old holes.  I could never have matched the surface of the liner, and 
I don't think anyone else could have either.  

We'll see what Rob has to say.
Thanks for chiming in!

Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
 

On Wednesday, March 20, 2019, 9:55:12 AM EDT, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Bruce,
That is fascinating, On the Enterprise, there are holes with plastic covers all 
along that underside. I’m guessing the previous owner of yours sealed that all 
up. I wonder why. 
I’m thinking you’re going to have to figure out exactly where the holes were 
and drill new ones (and get new caps) — spooking of which, does anyone know a 
source e to get new caps? 

All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: 
NCC-1701-BCity Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log




 



On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Hello all,
I saw a while back that Josh Muckley had taken off and rebedded his port side 
Genoa track, and had tightened the port side, in both cases eliminating leaks.  
I have a slight leak as well, and tried some Captain Tolley's in the short 
term, and it helped but did not eliminate the issue.  I'd like to deal with it 
more permanently.  The issue is, I cannot seem to find where to access any of 
the nuts on the underside.  I've looked in the cabinets, etc.  Included are 
links to a couple photos.  In the last photo, you can see where the track is 
mounted immediately outside the fixed port, and from there, looking at the 
inside you can see where, if the nuts were going to be accessible, they should 
be immediately behind the wood "rail" that shields the small light above the 
fridge.  

View of fridge and galley area.jpgView of underside of Genoa 
track.jpghttps://www.dropbox.com/s/lws3x9cz1lfw7as/View%20through%20fixed%20port%2C%20starboard%20side.jpg?dl=0
Any ideas?
I could try simply tightening them from the top, but I'd be concerned about 
spinning the nut on the underside and tearing up the sealant that is there, 
making the leak worse.
Looking forward to your insights, 


Bruce Whitmore1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Genoa track leaking on a '94 37/40+, can't seem to access underside?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Hi Rob,
Yes, I'm sure the track was original, as it is Lewmar equipment and matches 
everything else on the boat. I was thinking something similar (I was wondering 
about bedded nuts, but your approach makes a LOT more sense).  

If you look at this photo you can see a "step" where the track is mounted at 
the bottom of the fixed port before it steps down again to the deck level.  
Would this imply such a laminated strip of aluminum?
Track Car.jpg
Would you think when they put in the stainless screws they might have coated 
the screws with something to prevent dissimilar metal corrosion (crossing my 
fingers...)?  

Rob, having your insights on this board is amazing.  Thank you for chiming in!
Kindest Regards,
Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
 

On Wednesday, March 20, 2019, 9:55:53 AM EDT, Rob Ball via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 
Was this track installed when the boat was built . . . . ?  I know that 
occasionally fittings were installed by laminating a strip of aluminum into the 
laminate – then tapped, so the machine screw didn’t have a nut on the under 
side.
 
Having lost most of my memory now, I can’t say if this was done on the 37, but 
it’s a possibility.
 
One can now see one of the possible weaknesses of the system . . . .
 
Rob Ball
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Re: Stus-List Genoa track leaking on a '94 37/40+, can't seem to access underside?

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

Was this track installed when the boat was built . . . . ?  I know that 
occasionally fittings were installed by laminating a strip of aluminum into the 
laminate – then tapped, so the machine screw didn’t have a nut on the under 
side.
Having lost most of my memory now, I can’t say if this was done on the 37, but 
it’s a possibility.
One can now see one of the possible weaknesses of the system . . . .
Rob Ball
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Re: Stus-List Genoa track leaking on a '94 37/40+, can't seem to access underside?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Bruce,

That is fascinating, On the Enterprise, there are holes with plastic covers all 
along that underside. I’m guessing the previous owner of yours sealed that all 
up. I wonder why. 

I’m thinking you’re going to have to figure out exactly where the holes were 
and drill new ones (and get new caps) — spooking of which, does anyone know a 
source e to get new caps? 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 










On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hello all,

I saw a while back that Josh Muckley had taken off and rebedded his port side 
Genoa track, and had tightened the port side, in both cases eliminating leaks.  
I have a slight leak as well, and tried some Captain Tolley's in the short 
term, and it helped but did not eliminate the issue.  I'd like to deal with it 
more permanently.  The issue is, I cannot seem to find where to access any of 
the nuts on the underside.  I've looked in the cabinets, etc.  Included are 
links to a couple photos.  In the last photo, you can see where the track is 
mounted immediately outside the fixed port, and from there, looking at the 
inside you can see where, if the nuts were going to be accessible, they should 
be immediately behind the wood "rail" that shields the small light above the 
fridge.  

View of fridge and galley area.jpg 

View of underside of Genoa track.jpg 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lws3x9cz1lfw7as/View%20through%20fixed%20port%2C%20starboard%20side.jpg?dl=0
 


Any ideas?

I could try simply tightening them from the top, but I'd be concerned about 
spinning the nut on the underside and tearing up the sealant that is there, 
making the leak worse.

Looking forward to your insights, 


Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Genoa track leaking on a '94 37/40+, can't seem to access underside?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Hi Mike, 

That is an interesting thought which I had never considered.  It is only about 
3/8" thick, but if it is covering a gap in the head liner, that would allow a 
wrench to get on the nuts.  Before I tear up the bungs & such, does anyone else 
have any direct experience with this setup?   

Thanks!
Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
 

On Wednesday, March 20, 2019, 9:37:20 AM EDT, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 
Hi Bruce
 
  
 
I wonder if removing the wood rail would reveal access to the nuts that are 
covered by the head liner?  The wood strip could be viewed as a handhold or to 
shield the light but might just be to cover an access hole …
 
  
 
Mike
 
Persistence
 
Halifax
 
  
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Bruce 
Whitmore via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:28 AM
To: CnClist; Josh Muckley
Cc: Bruce Whitmore
Subject: Stus-List Genoa track leaking on a '94 37/40+, can't seem to access 
underside?
 
  
 
Hello all,
 
  
 
I saw a while back that Josh Muckley had taken off and rebedded his port side 
Genoa track, and had tightened the port side, in both cases eliminating leaks.  
I have a slight leak as well, and tried some Captain Tolley's in the short 
term, and it helped but did not eliminate the issue.  I'd like to deal with it 
more permanently.  The issue is, I cannot seem to find where to access any of 
the nuts on the underside.  I've looked in the cabinets, etc.  Included are 
links to a couple photos.  In the last photo, you can see where the track is 
mounted immediately outside the fixed port, and from there, looking at the 
inside you can see where, if the nuts were going to be accessible, they should 
be immediately behind the wood "rail" that shields the small light above the 
fridge. 
 
  
 
View of fridge and galley area.jpg
 
View of underside of Genoa track.jpg
 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lws3x9cz1lfw7as/View%20through%20fixed%20port%2C%20starboard%20side.jpg?dl=0
 
  
 
Any ideas?
 
  
 
I could try simply tightening them from the top, but I'd be concerned about 
spinning the nut on the underside and tearing up the sealant that is there, 
making the leak worse.
 
  
 
Looking forward to your insights,
 
  
 
  
 
Bruce Whitmore
 
1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
 
Madeira Beach, FL
 
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Genoa track leaking on a '94 37/40+, can't seem to access underside?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Bruce

I wonder if removing the wood rail would reveal access to the nuts that are 
covered by the head liner?  The wood strip could be viewed as a handhold or to 
shield the light but might just be to cover an access hole …

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bruce 
Whitmore via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:28 AM
To: CnClist; Josh Muckley
Cc: Bruce Whitmore
Subject: Stus-List Genoa track leaking on a '94 37/40+, can't seem to access 
underside?

Hello all,

I saw a while back that Josh Muckley had taken off and rebedded his port side 
Genoa track, and had tightened the port side, in both cases eliminating leaks.  
I have a slight leak as well, and tried some Captain Tolley's in the short 
term, and it helped but did not eliminate the issue.  I'd like to deal with it 
more permanently.  The issue is, I cannot seem to find where to access any of 
the nuts on the underside.  I've looked in the cabinets, etc.  Included are 
links to a couple photos.  In the last photo, you can see where the track is 
mounted immediately outside the fixed port, and from there, looking at the 
inside you can see where, if the nuts were going to be accessible, they should 
be immediately behind the wood "rail" that shields the small light above the 
fridge.

View of fridge and galley 
area.jpg
View of underside of Genoa 
track.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lws3x9cz1lfw7as/View%20through%20fixed%20port%2C%20starboard%20side.jpg?dl=0

Any ideas?

I could try simply tightening them from the top, but I'd be concerned about 
spinning the nut on the underside and tearing up the sealant that is there, 
making the leak worse.

Looking forward to your insights,


Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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