Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

YEP NAILED IT !

To stay on topic, I am definitely following along to see what it might take to 
mount closer to helm

John C

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From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

I think they design an RV Interior, Kick it around a little to wrap a hull 
around that, and then sell it to the women.
And if that guy wants to go sailing without getting a divorce, he buys it.

Work for them.

Bill Coleman

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

Throw in no Back Stay on the Hunters and we have a….. well lets just say I will 
stay with the C, even without a traveler!
Have to say it was fun Sunday to be told by a Hunter Deck Salon 44 to turn my 
engine off as I blew by,   However I was on board (kidnapped) and they are 
really gorgeous and very spacious inside.

John C

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Subject: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

Designing a cockpit to include the traveler is the biggest challenge . . . . .
On the bridge deck - good for the crew to trim the main, but deadly for moving 
around the cockpit . . . . .
Aft by the binnacle is good for trimming and good for short handed sailing but 
again is very awkward to use the cockpit for comfort or movement . . . . .
Forward of the companionway solves all cockpit moving around hurdles but indeed 
forces extra structure in the deck construction, a stronger boom, and stronger 
mainsheet. And, as suggested makes it challenging for short handed sailing . . 
. . .
There was/is not perfect solution . . . . .
Hunter solved it with a big structural Bimini-type rail to carry the traveler 
up high, but I could never bring myself to do that to the aesthetics of our 
designs . . . . .

Rob Ball. C 34

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Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I think they design an RV Interior, Kick it around a little to wrap a hull 
around that, and then sell it to the women. 

And if that guy wants to go sailing without getting a divorce, he buys it.

 

Work for them.

 

Bill Coleman

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

 

Throw in no Back Stay on the Hunters and we have a….. well lets just say I will 
stay with the C, even without a traveler! 

Have to say it was fun Sunday to be told by a Hunter Deck Salon 44 to turn my 
engine off as I blew by,   However I was on board (kidnapped) and they are 
really gorgeous and very spacious inside.

 

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Subject: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

 

Designing a cockpit to include the traveler is the biggest challenge . . . . . 
On the bridge deck - good for the crew to trim the main, but deadly for moving 
around the cockpit . . . . . 
Aft by the binnacle is good for trimming and good for short handed sailing but 
again is very awkward to use the cockpit for comfort or movement . . . . . 
Forward of the companionway solves all cockpit moving around hurdles but indeed 
forces extra structure in the deck construction, a stronger boom, and stronger 
mainsheet. And, as suggested makes it challenging for short handed sailing . . 
. . . 
There was/is not perfect solution . . . . . 
Hunter solved it with a big structural Bimini-type rail to carry the traveler 
up high, but I could never bring myself to do that to the aesthetics of our 
designs . . . . . 

Rob Ball. C 34

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Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Throw in no Back Stay on the Hunters and we have a….. well lets just say I will 
stay with the C, even without a traveler!
Have to say it was fun Sunday to be told by a Hunter Deck Salon 44 to turn my 
engine off as I blew by,   However I was on board (kidnapped) and they are 
really gorgeous and very spacious inside.

John C

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Subject: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

Designing a cockpit to include the traveler is the biggest challenge . . . . .
On the bridge deck - good for the crew to trim the main, but deadly for moving 
around the cockpit . . . . .
Aft by the binnacle is good for trimming and good for short handed sailing but 
again is very awkward to use the cockpit for comfort or movement . . . . .
Forward of the companionway solves all cockpit moving around hurdles but indeed 
forces extra structure in the deck construction, a stronger boom, and stronger 
mainsheet. And, as suggested makes it challenging for short handed sailing . . 
. . .
There was/is not perfect solution . . . . .
Hunter solved it with a big structural Bimini-type rail to carry the traveler 
up high, but I could never bring myself to do that to the aesthetics of our 
designs . . . . .

Rob Ball. C 34

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Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

On the 24, it was easy to install. I had it on mine. As I said before, it 
worked great for adjusting the sails, but you would bang your shins on it every 
time you entered the cabin and if you were not careful enough (or unlucky), you 
could break a leg.

Marek

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

David - have you ever looked into installing a traveler set up in front of 
binacle on your 34+? I haven’t explored the details for this modification but 
doesn’t seem too complicated.  I did this project on my first C, a 24’ that I 
had at the municipal harbor in New Orleans pre Katrina days.

Stephen Thorne
34+ Dejavu

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Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

David - have you ever looked into installing a traveler set up in front of
binacle on your 34+? I haven’t explored the details for this modification
but doesn’t seem too complicated.  I did this project on my first C, a
24’ that I had at the municipal harbor in New Orleans pre Katrina days.

Stephen Thorne
34+ Dejavu

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> When I was looking for a boat to replace our 34, I looked at a C 99 and
> I loved the cockpit layout because it had the main traveller and genoa near
> the helm and since I sail primarily single-handed it was perfect.
> Unfortunately, it was a bit too race oriented down below for my wife and I
> to cruise comfortably, so we went with the 34+.  For us, the 34+ is the
> ideal boat, but I sure wish the traveller was like the 99.  Then I would
> add the 12:1/ 3:1 setup Josh described and it would be awesome.  Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
> On May 13, 2020, at 11:32 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry.  My opinion is that the Hunter design is the most unappealing use
> of mainsheet traveller that I could imagine.  Coach roof is only slightly
> better.  For sailing it should be back by the helm.
>
> Previous two boats had it by the helm.  The boat I raced on had it by the
> helm.  Current boat has it on bridge deck.  I find it supremely awkward
> crewed or short handed to have the main controls forward of the jib
> controls.  It makes no sailing sense.
>
> I always loved a boat where the helm could also trim main.
>
> This is one of the things I really dislike about our current boat.  To
> make this C related think of my boat as a C 33-2.  It is basically the
> same .  IMO the bridgedeck setup was a compromise by the designer to help
> with comfort but I find it extremely uncomfortable.  I hated the coach roof
> setup on our family's C 36 and loved the cross cockpit travellers on our
> George Hinterhoeller designed Niagara 26 and or J27
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
> 1987 Frers 33
> Halifax, NS
>
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> Subject: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location
>
> Designing a cockpit to include the traveler is the biggest challenge . . .
> . .
> On the bridge deck - good for the crew to trim the main, but deadly for
> moving around the cockpit . . . . .
> Aft by the binnacle is good for trimming and good for short handed sailing
> but again is very awkward to use the cockpit for comfort or movement . . .
> . .
> Forward of the companionway solves all cockpit moving around hurdles but
> indeed forces extra structure in the deck construction, a stronger boom,
> and stronger mainsheet. And, as suggested makes it challenging for short
> handed sailing . . . . .
> There was/is not perfect solution . . . . .
> Hunter solved it with a big structural Bimini-type rail to carry the
> traveler up high, but I could never bring myself to do that to the
> aesthetics of our designs . . . . .
>
> Rob Ball. C 34
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Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

When I was looking for a boat to replace our 34, I looked at a C 99 and I 
loved the cockpit layout because it had the main traveller and genoa near the 
helm and since I sail primarily single-handed it was perfect.  Unfortunately, 
it was a bit too race oriented down below for my wife and I to cruise 
comfortably, so we went with the 34+.  For us, the 34+ is the ideal boat, but I 
sure wish the traveller was like the 99.  Then I would add the 12:1/ 3:1 setup 
Josh described and it would be awesome.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On May 13, 2020, at 11:32 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry.  My opinion is that the Hunter design is the most unappealing use of 
> mainsheet traveller that I could imagine.  Coach roof is only slightly 
> better.  For sailing it should be back by the helm.
> 
> Previous two boats had it by the helm.  The boat I raced on had it by the 
> helm.  Current boat has it on bridge deck.  I find it supremely awkward 
> crewed or short handed to have the main controls forward of the jib controls. 
>  It makes no sailing sense.
> 
> I always loved a boat where the helm could also trim main.  
> 
> This is one of the things I really dislike about our current boat.  To make 
> this C related think of my boat as a C 33-2.  It is basically the same .  
> IMO the bridgedeck setup was a compromise by the designer to help with 
> comfort but I find it extremely uncomfortable.  I hated the coach roof setup 
> on our family's C 36 and loved the cross cockpit travellers on our George 
> Hinterhoeller designed Niagara 26 and or J27
> 
> Mike
> 
> Persistence
> 1987 Frers 33
> Halifax, NS
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Rob Ball 
> Subject: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location
> 
> Designing a cockpit to include the traveler is the biggest challenge . . . . 
> . 
> On the bridge deck - good for the crew to trim the main, but deadly for 
> moving around the cockpit . . . . . 
> Aft by the binnacle is good for trimming and good for short handed sailing 
> but again is very awkward to use the cockpit for comfort or movement . . . . 
> . 
> Forward of the companionway solves all cockpit moving around hurdles but 
> indeed forces extra structure in the deck construction, a stronger boom, and 
> stronger mainsheet. And, as suggested makes it challenging for short handed 
> sailing . . . . . 
> There was/is not perfect solution . . . . . 
> Hunter solved it with a big structural Bimini-type rail to carry the traveler 
> up high, but I could never bring myself to do that to the aesthetics of our 
> designs . . . . . 
> 
> Rob Ball. C 34
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[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Sorry.  My opinion is that the Hunter design is the most unappealing use of 
mainsheet traveller that I could imagine.  Coach roof is only slightly better.  
For sailing it should be back by the helm.

Previous two boats had it by the helm.  The boat I raced on had it by the helm. 
 Current boat has it on bridge deck.  I find it supremely awkward crewed or 
short handed to have the main controls forward of the jib controls.  It makes 
no sailing sense.

I always loved a boat where the helm could also trim main.  

This is one of the things I really dislike about our current boat.  To make 
this C related think of my boat as a C 33-2.  It is basically the same .  
IMO the bridgedeck setup was a compromise by the designer to help with comfort 
but I find it extremely uncomfortable.  I hated the coach roof setup on our 
family's C 36 and loved the cross cockpit travellers on our George 
Hinterhoeller designed Niagara 26 and or J27

Mike

Persistence
1987 Frers 33
Halifax, NS

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Rob Ball via 
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Sent: May 13, 2020 11:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rob Ball 
Subject: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

Designing a cockpit to include the traveler is the biggest challenge . . . . . 
On the bridge deck - good for the crew to trim the main, but deadly for moving 
around the cockpit . . . . . 
Aft by the binnacle is good for trimming and good for short handed sailing but 
again is very awkward to use the cockpit for comfort or movement . . . . . 
Forward of the companionway solves all cockpit moving around hurdles but indeed 
forces extra structure in the deck construction, a stronger boom, and stronger 
mainsheet. And, as suggested makes it challenging for short handed sailing . . 
. . . 
There was/is not perfect solution . . . . . 
Hunter solved it with a big structural Bimini-type rail to carry the traveler 
up high, but I could never bring myself to do that to the aesthetics of our 
designs . . . . . 

Rob Ball. C 34

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>   3. Re:  Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C (Neil Andersen)
>   4. Re:  Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C (Marek Dziedzic)
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Wow Rob, That gave me goosebumps.Thank you for not doing that to our C!Bruce 
Whitmore1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"Madeira Beach, FLSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE 
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 Original message From: Rob Ball via CnC-List 
 Date: 5/13/20  10:39 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rob Ball  Subject: Stus-List Main 
sheet Traveler Location Designing a cockpit to include the traveler is the 
biggest challenge . . . . . On the bridge deck - good for the crew to trim the 
main, but deadly for moving around the cockpit . . . . . Aft by the binnacle is 
good for trimming and good for short handed sailing but again is very awkward 
to use the cockpit for comfort or movement . . . . . Forward of the 
companionway solves all cockpit moving around hurdles but indeed forces extra 
structure in the deck construction, a stronger boom, and stronger mainsheet. 
And, as suggested makes it challenging for short handed sailing . . . . . There 
was/is not perfect solution . . . . . Hunter solved it with a big structural 
Bimini-type rail to carry the traveler up high, but I could never bring myself 
to do that to the aesthetics of our designs . . . . . Rob Ball. C 34> On May 
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