Re: Stus-List Rigging/chain-plate tie-rods
I find that down-sizing has benefited me in some parts of life. How do you feel about selling the boat, and moving to a smaller, less maintenance-intense vessel? Andrew On 06/02/2015 11:45 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List wrote: We have a number of boats in our local fleet with owners in their 80's and a couple in their 90's. One 90+ owner with a Bermuda 40 spends much money each year making the boat better. Pretty varnish and up to date (for a B40). He will sail it until he can't get aboard (now has a younger (in his 60's) skipper, but he is still on the wheel a lot). If the boat is worth the investment and you are still able - - go for it! A few years back, I was asked to crew for a skipper in his late 80's. He drove through the starting sequence and a bit longer, and then said take the wheel, I need to go below and went down and took a nap. He was up for the finish. Gary - Original Message - From: Patrick Wesley via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Patrick Wesley Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigging/chain-plate tie-rods Several years ago I noticed a leak in the cabin roof under the place where the chain-plate tie rod goes up to meet with the deck fitting u bolt to which the shrouds are attached. The fibreglass guy sealed the leak. Several weeks ago I noticed a white deposit (calcium–like) on the tie rod at the top and asked a rigger to check it out. He says that the tie rods are aluminum and corrode when moisture gets to them. First they push the deck up (which he says is already happening) and then they pull the u bolt down; this part needs further explanation. Repairs estimated from $1,300 to $2,000, doing both port and starboard sides. I’ve told him I will either repair the rods or sell the boat with disclosure, but will not ignore the problem. My dilemma is the usual one, how long do I continue to put money into an older boat, especially as I’m 75. However I’d rather sell the boat because I can no longer sail it than because I can no longer afford it! Gives me a lot of pleasure and keeps me active and motivated. Anyway, I wonder if anyone has any advice to offer, would appreciate the feed-back. -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging/chain-plate tie-rods
Patrick, I'd be happy to look at the problem if you want a second opinion. I'm out at Westport several days a week usually. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 2 June 2015 at 09:12, Andrew Frame via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I find that down-sizing has benefited me in some parts of life. How do you feel about selling the boat, and moving to a smaller, less maintenance-intense vessel? Andrew On 06/02/2015 11:45 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List wrote: We have a number of boats in our local fleet with owners in their 80's and a couple in their 90's. One 90+ owner with a Bermuda 40 spends much money each year making the boat better. Pretty varnish and up to date (for a B40). He will sail it until he can't get aboard (now has a younger (in his 60's) skipper, but he is still on the wheel a lot). If the boat is worth the investment and you are still able - - go for it! A few years back, I was asked to crew for a skipper in his late 80's. He drove through the starting sequence and a bit longer, and then said take the wheel, I need to go below and went down and took a nap. He was up for the finish. Gary - Original Message - From: Patrick Wesley via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Patrick Wesley Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigging/chain-plate tie-rods Several years ago I noticed a leak in the cabin roof under the place where the chain-plate tie rod goes up to meet with the deck fitting u bolt to which the shrouds are attached. The fibreglass guy sealed the leak. Several weeks ago I noticed a white deposit (calcium–like) on the tie rod at the top and asked a rigger to check it out. He says that the tie rods are aluminum and corrode when moisture gets to them. First they push the deck up (which he says is already happening) and then they pull the u bolt down; this part needs further explanation. Repairs estimated from $1,300 to $2,000, doing both port and starboard sides. I’ve told him I will either repair the rods or sell the boat with disclosure, but will not ignore the problem. My dilemma is the usual one, how long do I continue to put money into an older boat, especially as I’m 75. However I’d rather sell the boat because I can no longer sail it than because I can no longer afford it! Gives me a lot of pleasure and keeps me active and motivated. Anyway, I wonder if anyone has any advice to offer, would appreciate the feed-back. -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging/chain-plate tie-rods
We have a number of boats in our local fleet with owners in their 80's and a couple in their 90's. One 90+ owner with a Bermuda 40 spends much money each year making the boat better. Pretty varnish and up to date (for a B40). He will sail it until he can't get aboard (now has a younger (in his 60's) skipper, but he is still on the wheel a lot). If the boat is worth the investment and you are still able - - go for it! A few years back, I was asked to crew for a skipper in his late 80's. He drove through the starting sequence and a bit longer, and then said take the wheel, I need to go below and went down and took a nap. He was up for the finish. Gary - Original Message - From: Patrick Wesley via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Patrick Wesley Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigging/chain-plate tie-rods Several years ago I noticed a leak in the cabin roof under the place where the chain-plate tie rod goes up to meet with the deck fitting u bolt to which the shrouds are attached. The fibreglass guy sealed the leak. Several weeks ago I noticed a white deposit (calcium–like) on the tie rod at the top and asked a rigger to check it out. He says that the tie rods are aluminum and corrode when moisture gets to them. First they push the deck up (which he says is already happening) and then they pull the u bolt down; this part needs further explanation. Repairs estimated from $1,300 to $2,000, doing both port and starboard sides. I’ve told him I will either repair the rods or sell the boat with disclosure, but will not ignore the problem. My dilemma is the usual one, how long do I continue to put money into an older boat, especially as I’m 75. However I’d rather sell the boat because I can no longer sail it than because I can no longer afford it! Gives me a lot of pleasure and keeps me active and motivated. Anyway, I wonder if anyone has any advice to offer, would appreciate the feed-back. -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging/chain-plate tie-rods
Hi Jim, that would be very helpful. What is best # to reach you? My mobile is 250 380 8959. Patrick Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Patrick, I'd be happy to look at the problem if you want a second opinion. I'm out at Westport several days a week usually. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 2 June 2015 at 09:12, Andrew Frame via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I find that down-sizing has benefited me in some parts of life. How do you feel about selling the boat, and moving to a smaller, less maintenance-intense vessel? Andrew On 06/02/2015 11:45 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List wrote: We have a number of boats in our local fleet with owners in their 80's and a couple in their 90's. One 90+ owner with a Bermuda 40 spends much money each year making the boat better. Pretty varnish and up to date (for a B40). He will sail it until he can't get aboard (now has a younger (in his 60's) skipper, but he is still on the wheel a lot). If the boat is worth the investment and you are still able - - go for it! A few years back, I was asked to crew for a skipper in his late 80's. He drove through the starting sequence and a bit longer, and then said take the wheel, I need to go below and went down and took a nap. He was up for the finish. Gary - Original Message - From: Patrick Wesley via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Patrick Wesley Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigging/chain-plate tie-rods Several years ago I noticed a leak in the cabin roof under the place where the chain-plate tie rod goes up to meet with the deck fitting u bolt to which the shrouds are attached. The fibreglass guy sealed the leak. Several weeks ago I noticed a white deposit (calcium–like) on the tie rod at the top and asked a rigger to check it out. He says that the tie rods are aluminum and corrode when moisture gets to them. First they push the deck up (which he says is already happening) and then they pull the u bolt down; this part needs further explanation. Repairs estimated from $1,300 to $2,000, doing both port and starboard sides. I’ve told him I will either repair the rods or sell the boat with disclosure, but will not ignore the problem. My dilemma is the usual one, how long do I continue to put money into an older boat, especially as I’m 75. However I’d rather sell the boat because I can no longer sail it than because I can no longer afford it! Gives me a lot of pleasure and keeps me active and motivated. Anyway, I wonder if anyone has any advice to offer, would appreciate the feed-back. -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging/chain-plate tie-rods
Several years ago I noticed a leak in the cabin roof under the place where the chain-plate tie rod goes up to meet with the deck fitting u bolt to which the shrouds are attached. The fibreglass guy sealed the leak. Several weeks ago I noticed a white deposit (calcium–like) on the tie rod at the top and asked a rigger to check it out. He says that the tie rods are aluminum and corrode when moisture gets to them. First they push the deck up (which he says is already happening) and then they pull the u bolt down; this part needs further explanation. Repairs estimated from $1,300 to $2,000, doing both port and starboard sides. I’ve told him I will either repair the rods or sell the boat with disclosure, but will not ignore the problem. My dilemma is the usual one, how long do I continue to put money into an older boat, especially as I’m 75. However I’d rather sell the boat because I can no longer sail it than because I can no longer afford it! Gives me a lot of pleasure and keeps me active and motivated. Anyway, I wonder if anyone has any advice to offer, would appreciate the feed-back.___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging/chain-plate tie-rods
Agree. Do the repair, (maybe get a 2nd quote if you think this one is high?) list the boat, and sail till the sale. What size boat and where is it , are important - Original Message - From: Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Sam Salter sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:57:11 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigging/chain-plate tie-rods Patrick, $2k is a small price to pay for all the future enjoyment you can potentially get out of The Boat Unless you were thinking of selling and getting out of sailing before this discovery, I'd invest the money. It won't increase the value of the boat, but it sure will make you happy when you're out there sailing. If you get rid of the boat you'll end up going to Bingo nights and bus tours of Bouchard Gardens. A slippery slope my friend; a slippery slope! Sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 2015-06-01, at 6:15 PM, Patrick Wesley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote Several years ago I noticed a leak in the cabin roof under the place where the chain-plate tie rod goes up to meet with the deck fitting u bolt to which the shrouds are attached. The fibreglass guy sealed the leak. Several weeks ago I noticed a white deposit (calcium–like) on the tie rod at the top and asked a rigger to check it out. He says that the tie rods are aluminum and corrode when moisture gets to them. First they push the deck up (which he says is already happening) and then they pull the u bolt down; this part needs further explanation. Repairs estimated from $1,300 to $2,000, doing both port and starboard sides. I’ve told him I will either repair the rods or sell the boat with disclosure, but will not ignore the problem. My dilemma is the usual one, how long do I continue to put money into an older boat, especially as I’m 75. However I’d rather sell the boat because I can no longer sail it than because I can no longer afford it! Gives me a lot of pleasure and keeps me active and motivated. Anyway, I wonder if anyone has any advice to offer, would appreciate the feed-back. /blockquote blockquote ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com /blockquote ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging/chain-plate tie-rods
Sam, you're breaking my heart! I hadn't thought of that horrible fate. You don't have to convince me but I have to try to be fair to my wife. Rgds, Patrick Patrick Wesley The Boat C C 24 Sidney BC On Jun 01, 2015, at 07:57 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Patrick, $2k is a small price to pay for all the future enjoyment you can potentially get out of The Boat Unless you were thinking of selling and getting out of sailing before this discovery, I'd invest the money. It won't increase the value of the boat, but it sure will make you happy when you're out there sailing. If you get rid of the boat you'll end up going to Bingo nights and bus tours of Bouchard Gardens. A slippery slope my friend; a slippery slope! Sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 2015-06-01, at 6:15 PM, Patrick Wesley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Several years ago I noticed a leak in the cabin roof under the place where the chain-plate tie rod goes up to meet with the deck fitting u bolt to which the shrouds are attached. The fibreglass guy sealed the leak. Several weeks ago I noticed a white deposit (calcium–like) on the tie rod at the top and asked a rigger to check it out. He says that the tie rods are aluminum and corrode when moisture gets to them. First they push the deck up (which he says is already happening) and then they pull the u bolt down; this part needs further explanation. Repairs estimated from $1,300 to $2,000, doing both port and starboard sides. I’ve told him I will either repair the rods or sell the boat with disclosure, but will not ignore the problem. My dilemma is the usual one, how long do I continue to put money into an older boat, especially as I’m 75. However I’d rather sell the boat because I can no longer sail it than because I can no longer afford it! Gives me a lot of pleasure and keeps me active and motivated. Anyway, I wonder if anyone has any advice to offer, would appreciate the feed-back. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging/chain-plate tie-rods
Patrick, $2k is a small price to pay for all the future enjoyment you can potentially get out of The Boat Unless you were thinking of selling and getting out of sailing before this discovery, I'd invest the money. It won't increase the value of the boat, but it sure will make you happy when you're out there sailing. If you get rid of the boat you'll end up going to Bingo nights and bus tours of Bouchard Gardens. A slippery slope my friend; a slippery slope! Sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 2015-06-01, at 6:15 PM, Patrick Wesley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Several years ago I noticed a leak in the cabin roof under the place where the chain-plate tie rod goes up to meet with the deck fitting u bolt to which the shrouds are attached. The fibreglass guy sealed the leak. Several weeks ago I noticed a white deposit (calcium–like) on the tie rod at the top and asked a rigger to check it out. He says that the tie rods are aluminum and corrode when moisture gets to them. First they push the deck up (which he says is already happening) and then they pull the u bolt down; this part needs further explanation. Repairs estimated from $1,300 to $2,000, doing both port and starboard sides. I’ve told him I will either repair the rods or sell the boat with disclosure, but will not ignore the problem. My dilemma is the usual one, how long do I continue to put money into an older boat, especially as I’m 75. However I’d rather sell the boat because I can no longer sail it than because I can no longer afford it! Gives me a lot of pleasure and keeps me active and motivated. Anyway, I wonder if anyone has any advice to offer, would appreciate the feed-back. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging/chain-plate tie-rods
Patrick Wesley via CnC-List wrote: Several years ago I noticed a leak in the cabin roof under the place where the chain-plate tie rod goes up to meet with the deck fitting u bolt to which the shrouds are attached. The fibreglass guy sealed the leak. Several weeks ago I noticed a white deposit (calciumlike) on the tie rod at the top and asked a rigger to check it out. He says that the tie rods are aluminum and corrode when moisture gets to them. First they push the deck up (which he says is already happening) and then they pull the u bolt down; this part needs further explanation. Repairs estimated from $1,300 to $2,000, doing both port and starboard sides. Ive told him I will either repair the rods or sell the boat with disclosure, but will not ignore the problem. My dilemma is the usual one, how long do I continue to put money into an older boat, especially as Im 75. However Id rather sell the boat because I can no longer sail it than because I can no longer afford it! Gives me a lot of pleasure and keeps me active and motivated. Anyway, I wonder if anyone has any advice to offer, would appreciate the feed-back. Patrick, On my '78 36 footer, the only aluminum that I had was the cover plate around the chain plates and it was corroding, making it impossible to keep sealant around the hole where the the plates pass through the deck. I slacked the rigging, took the chain plates off to re-seal the area and brought the covers home where I made new ones out of 1/8 stainless steel. I can't say that I've ever seen a boat with aluminum chain plates but in my case there was no cost to repair other than my labour and time. Bill (also 75) Caprice 1 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
