Re: Stus-List Roller furling choices advice?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Mike,

For whatever it is worth…

I have experience with two furlers: a Furlex and  Harken A00. None of them was 
installed over the rod stay. Both work(ed) fine, though, as Josh mentioned, 
Furlex was probably better engineered.

One big issue I have with my current Harken is how it attaches to the bow. It 
is hard to describe without a picture, but it should suffice to say that you 
need at least three hands to hold all the pieces together, you need to do it 
from outside of the boat (e.g. levitating in the air ahead of the bow) and the 
pin that holds it in place has an extreme propensity to dive into any water 
that is close by. And the replacement is around $60-$150, depending on the size.

In short, if you need to unstep the mast on a regular basis (we do, here in 
Ottawa), Look at how the whole assembly attaches to the bow chainplate. It 
should be a simple toggle (like for your shrouds). Anything more complicated 
will cause you pain in the future.

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Roller furling choices advice?

I have a 1989 era Harken.  Not sure of the model.  As best I can tell it is 
original to the boat.  It had the original  -12 rod in it until the end of 2015 
when I had the whole thing rebuilt and replaced the rod with -17.  IIRC the rod 
was only $200 of the rebuild cost.  For almost 30 years of marine exposure the 
technician and I were pleased with the condition of the furler.  I have 
confidence that it would have continued to perform well but I was concerned 
about the head stay and having it replaced gives me great confidence.

I have also installed Selden/Furlex and am exceedingly satisfied with the 
thoughtfulness of the engineering.  I considered replacing my Harken with 
Furlex but there is no way to use rod and the cost would have been almost 3x 
the cost of rebuilding my Harken.

I didn't do any of the work myself.  The yard was great using the spare 
halyards to stabilize the mast, removing the furler, disassembling the furler, 
cutting siezed end fittings off the rod, procuring replacement fittings, 
shipping the rod to have it measured, remade of - 17, shipped back, 
reassembled, and finally reinstalled.  It would have been a royal pain for me 
for do it myself.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Jan 13, 2017 11:19 PM, "Michael Jones via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Ls and Gs

I'm sure there is loads of experience on roller furlers out there...can you 
share some of it? I have a 1981 C 34 with a track on the forestay.

I am considering replacing this with a roller furler  I'd like to be able to 
install myself, and I'd like to keep the existing forestay as it's rod and I'd 
rather not have to disturb it by shortening it as some of the systems require. 
I'd also like not to have to change it to wire (at least one furler 
manufacturer claims their system is not compatible with rod rigging).

Profurl seems a possibility, Harken would need to shorten the stay.

Any comments would be appreciated!

Best regards

Mike Jones
1981 C 34 Seanachai
Oak Bay, Victoria.

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Re: Stus-List Roller furling choices advice?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I have a 1989 era Harken.  Not sure of the model.  As best I can tell it is
original to the boat.  It had the original  -12 rod in it until the end of
2015 when I had the whole thing rebuilt and replaced the rod with -17.
IIRC the rod was only $200 of the rebuild cost.  For almost 30 years of
marine exposure the technician and I were pleased with the condition of the
furler.  I have confidence that it would have continued to perform well but
I was concerned about the head stay and having it replaced gives me great
confidence.

I have also installed Selden/Furlex and am exceedingly satisfied with the
thoughtfulness of the engineering.  I considered replacing my Harken with
Furlex but there is no way to use rod and the cost would have been almost
3x the cost of rebuilding my Harken.

I didn't do any of the work myself.  The yard was great using the spare
halyards to stabilize the mast, removing the furler, disassembling the
furler, cutting siezed end fittings off the rod, procuring replacement
fittings, shipping the rod to have it measured, remade of - 17, shipped
back, reassembled, and finally reinstalled.  It would have been a royal
pain for me for do it myself.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Jan 13, 2017 11:19 PM, "Michael Jones via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ls and Gs
>
> I'm sure there is loads of experience on roller furlers out there...can
> you share some of it? I have a 1981 C 34 with a track on the forestay.
>
> I am considering replacing this with a roller furler  I'd like to be able
> to install myself, and I'd like to keep the existing forestay as it's rod
> and I'd rather not have to disturb it by shortening it as some of the
> systems require. I'd also like not to have to change it to wire (at least
> one furler manufacturer claims their system is not compatible with rod
> rigging).
>
> Profurl seems a possibility, Harken would need to shorten the stay.
>
> Any comments would be appreciated!
>
> Best regards
>
> Mike Jones
> 1981 C 34 Seanachai
> Oak Bay, Victoria.
>
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Re: Stus-List Roller furling choices advice?

[phorvati . via CnC-List]

Profurl is expensive. I'm tearing up N31 and LC42 models due to water
ingress rusting the bearings. My c 38 has a harken mk2 which always
worked flawlessly.  I had it on wire and I switched to -10 rod.

On Jan 13, 2017 11:19 PM, "Michael Jones via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ls and Gs
>
> I'm sure there is loads of experience on roller furlers out there...can
> you share some of it? I have a 1981 C 34 with a track on the forestay.
>
> I am considering replacing this with a roller furler  I'd like to be able
> to install myself, and I'd like to keep the existing forestay as it's rod
> and I'd rather not have to disturb it by shortening it as some of the
> systems require. I'd also like not to have to change it to wire (at least
> one furler manufacturer claims their system is not compatible with rod
> rigging).
>
> Profurl seems a possibility, Harken would need to shorten the stay.
>
> Any comments would be appreciated!
>
> Best regards
>
> Mike Jones
> 1981 C 34 Seanachai
> Oak Bay, Victoria.
>
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> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
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>
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>
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Re: Stus-List Roller furling choices advice?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Mike,

My rigger buddy installs Harkens and services furlers.  I've been helping
him for years.  We've serviced/replaced many brands of furlers.  In my
opinion, Harken is the best.  Profurl is probably second but Harken is
clearly better.

I have had a Harken MKIII on Touche' since 1999.  Never a problem.  If you
go with Harken, I recommend a halyard restrainer if your masthead
configuration is such that the halyard will be parallel to your forestay.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 10:17 PM, Michael Jones via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ls and Gs
>
> I'm sure there is loads of experience on roller furlers out there...can
> you share some of it? I have a 1981 C 34 with a track on the forestay.
>
> I am considering replacing this with a roller furler  I'd like to be able
> to install myself, and I'd like to keep the existing forestay as it's rod
> and I'd rather not have to disturb it by shortening it as some of the
> systems require. I'd also like not to have to change it to wire (at least
> one furler manufacturer claims their system is not compatible with rod
> rigging).
>
> Profurl seems a possibility, Harken would need to shorten the stay.
>
> Any comments would be appreciated!
>
> Best regards
>
> Mike Jones
> 1981 C 34 Seanachai
> Oak Bay, Victoria.
>
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>
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you
> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Roller furling choices advice?

[John McKay via CnC-List]

I put a new furler on Enterprise a year ago. I had Harkens on my two previous 
boats.
I went with Pro furler on Enterprise. I got a new head sail at the same time 
and the sail loft is a Pro furler dealer. My thinking was they would do it all 
and ensure the sail worked with the furler.
they did a great job installing. there was a significant cost saving too.
But, I do think the Harken worked better. I find if the tension on the forestay 
is not just right, the Pro furler is very hard to furl.
J 

On Friday, January 13, 2017 11:19 PM, Michael Jones via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Ls and Gs
I'm sure there is loads of experience on roller furlers out there...can you 
share some of it? I have a 1981 C 34 with a track on the forestay.
I am considering replacing this with a roller furler  I'd like to be able to 
install myself, and I'd like to keep the existing forestay as it's rod and I'd 
rather not have to disturb it by shortening it as some of the systems require. 
I'd also like not to have to change it to wire (at least one furler 
manufacturer claims their system is not compatible with rod rigging). 
Profurl seems a possibility, Harken would need to shorten the stay.
Any comments would be appreciated!
Best regards
Mike Jones1981 C 34 SeanachaiOak Bay, Victoria.
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