Re: Stus-List Tacktick wireless interface and iRegatta

2014-04-30 Thread Joel Aronson
Dave,

I got lat and long off the electronic charts on my iPad and typed them in
to iRegatta.  Be aware that many apps are converting to decimals instead of
hours/minutes and seconds, so you may need to convert decimals back to the
old system in order to do the input.  Don't know if there is a better way.

Joel


On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 8:05 AM, David Knecht wrote:

> Hi Joel- Thanks for the report.  One thing you can clarify for me.  What
> do you use for maps?  It seems to use online access to Google maps, but
> that does not show marks, buoys or much of anything on the water.  Is there
> a way to access NOAA raster or vector charts?  Dave
>
> On Apr 28, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Used iRegatta for 16 hours.  Ran a USB cable up the hatch along the cabin
> top to keep it charged.  I had the iphone in a RockMount with a baggie over
> it.  We sailed through thunderstorms and rain.  The baggie was essential.
>  A waterproof pouch has been ordered.
>
> It seems to show the course as true, not magnetic, so there was an 11
> degree discrepancy between it and the plotter.  When giving someone a
> heading we needed to be clear which heading it was.  I did not have it
> receiving wind over wifi, so it did not show shifts.
>
> It was great being able to look forward, not down to see heading speed and
> VMG, and made it possible for the crew to alert the helmsman if he was off
> course.  It is very different steering a heading without landmarks or at
> night, so we all really liked it.  The numbers were large enough to be seen
> from the cockpit with the phone about under the vang, but a 7 inch tablet
> would be a luxury.
>
> Short answer: I will not race without it or the equivalent!
>
> Joel
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Tacktick wireless interface and iRegatta

2014-04-30 Thread David Knecht
Hi Joel- Thanks for the report.  One thing you can clarify for me.  What do you 
use for maps?  It seems to use online access to Google maps, but that does not 
show marks, buoys or much of anything on the water.  Is there a way to access 
NOAA raster or vector charts?  Dave

On Apr 28, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> David,
> 
> Used iRegatta for 16 hours.  Ran a USB cable up the hatch along the cabin top 
> to keep it charged.  I had the iphone in a RockMount with a baggie over it.  
> We sailed through thunderstorms and rain.  The baggie was essential.  A 
> waterproof pouch has been ordered.
> 
> It seems to show the course as true, not magnetic, so there was an 11 degree 
> discrepancy between it and the plotter.  When giving someone a heading we 
> needed to be clear which heading it was.  I did not have it receiving wind 
> over wifi, so it did not show shifts.
> 
> It was great being able to look forward, not down to see heading speed and 
> VMG, and made it possible for the crew to alert the helmsman if he was off 
> course.  It is very different steering a heading without landmarks or at 
> night, so we all really liked it.  The numbers were large enough to be seen 
> from the cockpit with the phone about under the vang, but a 7 inch tablet 
> would be a luxury.  
> 
> Short answer: I will not race without it or the equivalent!
> 
> Joel
> 



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Re: Stus-List Tacktick wireless interface and iRegatta

2014-04-28 Thread Joel Aronson
David,

Used iRegatta for 16 hours.  Ran a USB cable up the hatch along the cabin
top to keep it charged.  I had the iphone in a RockMount with a baggie over
it.  We sailed through thunderstorms and rain.  The baggie was essential.
 A waterproof pouch has been ordered.

It seems to show the course as true, not magnetic, so there was an 11
degree discrepancy between it and the plotter.  When giving someone a
heading we needed to be clear which heading it was.  I did not have it
receiving wind over wifi, so it did not show shifts.

It was great being able to look forward, not down to see heading speed and
VMG, and made it possible for the crew to alert the helmsman if he was off
course.  It is very different steering a heading without landmarks or at
night, so we all really liked it.  The numbers were large enough to be seen
from the cockpit with the phone about under the vang, but a 7 inch tablet
would be a luxury.

Short answer: I will not race without it or the equivalent!

Joel

On Friday, April 25, 2014, David Knecht  wrote:

> I will be very curious to hear what you think.  I am particularly
> interested in VMG and shift detection (especially when the boat is actually
> in the water).  Dave
>
> On Apr 25, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
>
> David,
>
> I have the wind system without the T122 also.  You are correct that the
> only way to get the tackTick data out to NMEA is to buy the T122. I keep
> hoping for an upgrade to NMEA 2000, but there is no sign of it from Ray.
>  Just my opinion, but one wind readout is enough.
>
> I'm going to try iRegatta this weekend on my phone to give me speed,
> heading and VMG in addition to the E7 and IPad,  I'm putting it forward of
> the traveler so the crew can hopefully see it.  I've run a long charging
> cable.
>
> Joel
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Frank  wrote:
>
>   David,
>
> I have been thinking about the same thing.  Try NavMonPC  (
> http://www.navmonpc.com/).  I run the Tack Tick NMEA out to my computer
> and into NavMonPC.  There is an AP for Android tablets that will allow
> Windows computers to be controlled using the Android Tablet.  Also, I think
> you could route the output of NavMonPC NMEA out to a wireless router and to
> any other computer/tablet on board.  I’m sure that there are some IT types
> that can take it from here.
>
> Frank Noragon
> S/V Cool Change
> C&C 38 LF, S/N 001
> Rose City Yacht Club
> Portland, Oregon
>
>  *From:* David Knecht
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 24, 2014 2:18 PM
> *To:* CnC CnC discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Tacktick wireless interface and iRegatta
>
> Thanks Fred- That extra $400 takes it from a not too expensive experiment
> to one I have to think about whether it is justified by the budget.  Too
> bad.  I can put the iPad at the helm station for navigation for very little
> cost, so I guess I will start with that.  It seems like it should not be
> too long before the entire boat is wirelessly integrated with a standard
> router.  Dave
>
>  On Apr 24, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Frederick G Street 
> wrote:
>
>  Dave — the only way to get from Micronet/TackTick to wired NMEA0183 is
> the T122, as far as I know.  And that’s what you’ll need to get to WiFi,
> via a box from the likes of iSteer, Digital Yacht or Comar.
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
>  On Apr 24, 2014, at 3:08 PM, David Knecht  wrote:
>
>  I installed a TackTick wireless wind sensor on the mast last year and a
> receiver at the
>
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Re: Stus-List Tacktick wireless interface and iRegatta

2014-04-25 Thread David Knecht
I will be very curious to hear what you think.  I am particularly interested in 
VMG and shift detection (especially when the boat is actually in the water).  
Dave

On Apr 25, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> David,
> 
> I have the wind system without the T122 also.  You are correct that the only 
> way to get the tackTick data out to NMEA is to buy the T122. I keep hoping 
> for an upgrade to NMEA 2000, but there is no sign of it from Ray.  Just my 
> opinion, but one wind readout is enough.
> 
> I'm going to try iRegatta this weekend on my phone to give me speed, heading 
> and VMG in addition to the E7 and IPad,  I'm putting it forward of the 
> traveler so the crew can hopefully see it.  I've run a long charging cable.
> 
> Joel
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Frank  wrote:
> David,
>  
> I have been thinking about the same thing.  Try NavMonPC  
> (http://www.navmonpc.com/).  I run the Tack Tick NMEA out to my computer and 
> into NavMonPC.  There is an AP for Android tablets that will allow Windows 
> computers to be controlled using the Android Tablet.  Also, I think you could 
> route the output of NavMonPC NMEA out to a wireless router and to any other 
> computer/tablet on board.  I’m sure that there are some IT types that can 
> take it from here.
>  
> Frank Noragon
> S/V Cool Change
> C&C 38 LF, S/N 001
> Rose City Yacht Club
> Portland, Oregon
>  
> From: David Knecht
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 2:18 PM
> To: CnC CnC discussion list
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Tacktick wireless interface and iRegatta
>  
> Thanks Fred- That extra $400 takes it from a not too expensive experiment to 
> one I have to think about whether it is justified by the budget.  Too bad.  I 
> can put the iPad at the helm station for navigation for very little cost, so 
> I guess I will start with that.  It seems like it should not be too long 
> before the entire boat is wirelessly integrated with a standard router.  Dave
>  
> On Apr 24, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Frederick G Street  wrote:
> 
>> Dave — the only way to get from Micronet/TackTick to wired NMEA0183 is the 
>> T122, as far as I know.  And that’s what you’ll need to get to WiFi, via a 
>> box from the likes of iSteer, Digital Yacht or Comar.
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>>  
>> On Apr 24, 2014, at 3:08 PM, David Knecht  wrote:
>> 
>>> I installed a TackTick wireless wind sensor on the mast last year and a 
>>> receiver at the helm station.  I am considering adding an iPad with 
>>> something like iRegatta at the helm station.  It looks like I need 
>>> something like this iSteer device:  http://www.madmanmarine.com  to get the 
>>> NMEA to wireless.  What do I need to go from the Tacktick to the iSteer?  
>>> It looks like the T122 Raymarine Wireless interface may be designed for 
>>> this, but is that the only option?  That starts bringing the cost of the 
>>> system up dramatically.  I am concerned that all of this is an expensive 
>>> toy that will be supplanted rapidly by better wireless boat systems.  
>>> Thanks- Dave
>>>  
>>> David Knecht
>>> Aries
>>> 1990 C&C 34+
>>> New London, CT
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Tacktick wireless interface and iRegatta

2014-04-25 Thread Joel Aronson
David,

I have the wind system without the T122 also.  You are correct that the
only way to get the tackTick data out to NMEA is to buy the T122. I keep
hoping for an upgrade to NMEA 2000, but there is no sign of it from Ray.
 Just my opinion, but one wind readout is enough.

I'm going to try iRegatta this weekend on my phone to give me speed,
heading and VMG in addition to the E7 and IPad,  I'm putting it forward of
the traveler so the crew can hopefully see it.  I've run a long charging
cable.

Joel


On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Frank  wrote:

>   David,
>
> I have been thinking about the same thing.  Try NavMonPC  (
> http://www.navmonpc.com/).  I run the Tack Tick NMEA out to my computer
> and into NavMonPC.  There is an AP for Android tablets that will allow
> Windows computers to be controlled using the Android Tablet.  Also, I think
> you could route the output of NavMonPC NMEA out to a wireless router and to
> any other computer/tablet on board.  I’m sure that there are some IT types
> that can take it from here.
>
> Frank Noragon
> S/V Cool Change
> C&C 38 LF, S/N 001
> Rose City Yacht Club
> Portland, Oregon
>
>  *From:* David Knecht 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 24, 2014 2:18 PM
> *To:* CnC CnC discussion list 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Tacktick wireless interface and iRegatta
>
> Thanks Fred- That extra $400 takes it from a not too expensive experiment
> to one I have to think about whether it is justified by the budget.  Too
> bad.  I can put the iPad at the helm station for navigation for very little
> cost, so I guess I will start with that.  It seems like it should not be
> too long before the entire boat is wirelessly integrated with a standard
> router.  Dave
>
>  On Apr 24, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Frederick G Street 
> wrote:
>
>  Dave — the only way to get from Micronet/TackTick to wired NMEA0183 is
> the T122, as far as I know.  And that’s what you’ll need to get to WiFi,
> via a box from the likes of iSteer, Digital Yacht or Comar.
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
>  On Apr 24, 2014, at 3:08 PM, David Knecht  wrote:
>
>  I installed a TackTick wireless wind sensor on the mast last year and a
> receiver at the helm station.  I am considering adding an iPad with
> something like iRegatta at the helm station.  It looks like I need
> something like this iSteer device:  http://www.madmanmarine.com  to get
> the NMEA to wireless.  What do I need to go from the Tacktick to the
> iSteer?  It looks like the T122 Raymarine Wireless interface may be
> designed for this, but is that the only option?  That starts bringing the
> cost of the system up dramatically.  I am concerned that all of this is an
> expensive toy that will be supplanted rapidly by better wireless boat
> systems.  Thanks- Dave
>
>  David Knecht
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
> 
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> Department of Molecular and Cell Biology
> U-3125
> 91 N. Eagleville Rd.
> University of Connecticut
> Storrs, CT 06269
> 860-486-2200
> 860-486-4331 (fax)
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Re: Stus-List Tacktick wireless interface and iRegatta

2014-04-24 Thread Frank
David,

I have been thinking about the same thing.  Try NavMonPC  
(http://www.navmonpc.com/).  I run the Tack Tick NMEA out to my computer and 
into NavMonPC.  There is an AP for Android tablets that will allow Windows 
computers to be controlled using the Android Tablet.  Also, I think you could 
route the output of NavMonPC NMEA out to a wireless router and to any other 
computer/tablet on board.  I’m sure that there are some IT types that can take 
it from here.

Frank Noragon
S/V Cool Change
C&C 38 LF, S/N 001
Rose City Yacht Club
Portland, Oregon

From: David Knecht 
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 2:18 PM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Tacktick wireless interface and iRegatta

Thanks Fred- That extra $400 takes it from a not too expensive experiment to 
one I have to think about whether it is justified by the budget.  Too bad.  I 
can put the iPad at the helm station for navigation for very little cost, so I 
guess I will start with that.  It seems like it should not be too long before 
the entire boat is wirelessly integrated with a standard router.  Dave 

On Apr 24, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Frederick G Street  wrote:


  Dave — the only way to get from Micronet/TackTick to wired NMEA0183 is the 
T122, as far as I know.  And that’s what you’ll need to get to WiFi, via a box 
from the likes of iSteer, Digital Yacht or Comar.


  Fred Street -- Minneapolis
  S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

  On Apr 24, 2014, at 3:08 PM, David Knecht  wrote:


I installed a TackTick wireless wind sensor on the mast last year and a 
receiver at the helm station.  I am considering adding an iPad with something 
like iRegatta at the helm station.  It looks like I need something like this 
iSteer device:  http://www.madmanmarine.com  to get the NMEA to wireless.  What 
do I need to go from the Tacktick to the iSteer?  It looks like the T122 
Raymarine Wireless interface may be designed for this, but is that the only 
option?  That starts bringing the cost of the system up dramatically.  I am 
concerned that all of this is an expensive toy that will be supplanted rapidly 
by better wireless boat systems.  Thanks- Dave 

David Knecht
Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT

 

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Re: Stus-List Tacktick wireless interface and iRegatta

2014-04-24 Thread Lee Youngblood

Hi David,

You have too much electronics already - see two copies of your email!

I'd suggest you check with Doug Miller at http://www.milltechmarine.com
He's quite plugged in, very helpful, and a C&C guy too.

Hope that helps, Lee


I installed a TackTick wireless wind sensor on the mast last year 
and a receiver at the helm station.  I am considering adding an iPad 
with something like iRegatta at the helm station.  It looks like I 
need something like this iSteer device:  http://www.madmanmarine.com 
to get the NMEA to wireless.  What do I need to go from the Tacktick 
to the iSteer?  It looks like the T122 Raymarine Wireless interface 
may be designed for this, but is that the only option?  That starts 
bringing the cost of the system up dramatically.  I am concerned 
that all of this is an expensive toy that will be supplanted rapidly 
by better wireless boat systems.  Thanks- Dave


David Knecht
Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



I installed a TackTick wireless wind sensor on the mast last year 
and a receiver at the helm station.  I am considering adding an iPad 
with something like iRegatta at the helm station.  It looks like I 
need something like this iSteer device: 
http://www.madmanmarine.com  to get 
the NMEA to wireless.  What do I need to go from the Tacktick to the 
iSteer?  It looks like the T122 Raymarine Wireless interface may be 
designed for this, but is that the only option?  That starts 
bringing the cost of the system up dramatically.  I am concerned 
that all of this is an expensive toy that will be supplanted rapidly 
by better wireless boat systems.  Thanks- Dave


David Knecht
Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT




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Re: Stus-List Tacktick wireless interface and iRegatta

2014-04-24 Thread David Knecht
Thanks Fred- That extra $400 takes it from a not too expensive experiment to 
one I have to think about whether it is justified by the budget.  Too bad.  I 
can put the iPad at the helm station for navigation for very little cost, so I 
guess I will start with that.  It seems like it should not be too long before 
the entire boat is wirelessly integrated with a standard router.  Dave

On Apr 24, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Frederick G Street  wrote:

> Dave — the only way to get from Micronet/TackTick to wired NMEA0183 is the 
> T122, as far as I know.  And that’s what you’ll need to get to WiFi, via a 
> box from the likes of iSteer, Digital Yacht or Comar.
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
> On Apr 24, 2014, at 3:08 PM, David Knecht  wrote:
> 
>> I installed a TackTick wireless wind sensor on the mast last year and a 
>> receiver at the helm station.  I am considering adding an iPad with 
>> something like iRegatta at the helm station.  It looks like I need something 
>> like this iSteer device:  http://www.madmanmarine.com  to get the NMEA to 
>> wireless.  What do I need to go from the Tacktick to the iSteer?  It looks 
>> like the T122 Raymarine Wireless interface may be designed for this, but is 
>> that the only option?  That starts bringing the cost of the system up 
>> dramatically.  I am concerned that all of this is an expensive toy that will 
>> be supplanted rapidly by better wireless boat systems.  Thanks- Dave
>> 
>> David Knecht
>> Aries
>> 1990 C&C 34+
>> New London, CT
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Tacktick wireless interface and iRegatta

2014-04-24 Thread Frederick G Street
Dave — the only way to get from Micronet/TackTick to wired NMEA0183 is the 
T122, as far as I know.  And that’s what you’ll need to get to WiFi, via a box 
from the likes of iSteer, Digital Yacht or Comar.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Apr 24, 2014, at 3:08 PM, David Knecht  wrote:

> I installed a TackTick wireless wind sensor on the mast last year and a 
> receiver at the helm station.  I am considering adding an iPad with something 
> like iRegatta at the helm station.  It looks like I need something like this 
> iSteer device:  http://www.madmanmarine.com  to get the NMEA to wireless.  
> What do I need to go from the Tacktick to the iSteer?  It looks like the T122 
> Raymarine Wireless interface may be designed for this, but is that the only 
> option?  That starts bringing the cost of the system up dramatically.  I am 
> concerned that all of this is an expensive toy that will be supplanted 
> rapidly by better wireless boat systems.  Thanks- Dave
> 
> David Knecht
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
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