Re: Stus-List genoa sock
I make canvas stuff and repair sails locally. I make genoa socks and put UV stripes on leech and foot. I use a sock as it seems silly to put UV stripes on a high tech sail. UV stripes are on the sail so you don’t have to think about them. Just furl and forget. They are quite heavy (Sunbrella) so in light air the sail set can be a problem. Also, this means that it takes a knot or two more before the wind can shape the sail. The sock has to be raised after you dock/anchor/moor on the spinnaker halyard. A bit more to think about and a little more labour zipping up. Windage isn’t a problem as all the slack in the sock is taken up by a lacing cord run from head to tack. My socks have a split zip, so no need to take off or run the sheets out the bottom of the sock. Cost for each is the same (I charge $350 CDN for a 26 ft boat - about usual for this lake) (I’m not looking for business) sam :-) C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: David Knecht Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 3:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Has anyone used a product like the ATN genoa sleeve? I am considering if I get a new genoa, not having a protective leech section put on and instead using a product like this. Plusses and minuses? I have seen comments that they create more windage in a storm, but ATN is claiming it would be protective. I have seen plenty of genoas destroyed at our club by something coming loose while at the mooring in a blow, and this seems like a way to prevent that. Dave David Knecht Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT<>___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List genoa sock
There's one on the J-80 I race on. It works, but is a bit of a pain to put up every time you go out. It comes down in about 15 seconds but takes a couple of minutes to hoist it up. There's a zipper that runs all the way up and a bunch of little strings which help it keep its shape - they zig-zag around it - I assume to keep any part of the sleeve from billowing out. If you keep it straight then there's no problem, if it gets tangled up around itselfanother matter. It's been on there for three years and still looks pretty good. The straps with velcro on them (wrap around at the bottom) are getting worn, but that is a small matter. We have a genoa on the J-80 and race PHRF (small local fleet). It beats the hell out of taking the sail off each time and rolling it up. But, the mylar/kevlar whatever sail takes a set around the furler so it has a bit of a preset on one tack or the other. Gary - Original Message - From: David Knecht To: CnC CnC discussion list Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 5:57 PM Subject: Stus-List genoa sock Has anyone used a product like the ATN genoa sleeve? I am considering if I get a new genoa, not having a protective leech section put on and instead using a product like this. Plusses and minuses? I have seen comments that they create more windage in a storm, but ATN is claiming it would be protective. I have seen plenty of genoas destroyed at our club by something coming loose while at the mooring in a blow, and this seems like a way to prevent that. Dave David Knecht Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT -- ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <>___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List genoa sock
The UV stripe on my furling Doyle 135 along the exposed leech and foot when the sail is furled is ordinary white Dacron sail cloth, similar to the cloth used to build the sail. It works fine in light air and it lasted 8 years before I had to replace it (67 feet leech + foot) this off season for under $500 Cdn, which is less than $70 per year. It is easy to use and no one can tell on the water whether the stripe is there or not. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: February 5, 2014 7:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List genoa sock I make canvas stuff and repair sails locally. I make genoa socks and put UV stripes on leech and foot. I use a sock as it seems silly to put UV stripes on a high tech sail. UV stripes are on the sail so you don’t have to think about them. Just furl and forget. They are quite heavy (Sunbrella) so in light air the sail set can be a problem. Also, this means that it takes a knot or two more before the wind can shape the sail. The sock has to be raised after you dock/anchor/moor on the spinnaker halyard. A bit more to think about and a little more labour zipping up. Windage isn’t a problem as all the slack in the sock is taken up by a lacing cord run from head to tack. My socks have a split zip, so no need to take off or run the sheets out the bottom of the sock. Cost for each is the same (I charge $350 CDN for a 26 ft boat - about usual for this lake) (I’m not looking for business) sam :-) C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: David Knecht <mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 3:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Has anyone used a product like the ATN genoa sleeve? I am considering if I get a new genoa, not having a protective leech section put on and instead using a product like this. Plusses and minuses? I have seen comments that they create more windage in a storm, but ATN is claiming it would be protective. I have seen plenty of genoas destroyed at our club by something coming loose while at the mooring in a blow, and this seems like a way to prevent that. Dave David Knecht Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT <>___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List genoa sock
I just purchased a new genoa from Doyle and requested a sock instead of uv protection. It ends up being cheaper when you have multiple furling jibs with no uv protection. A lot of our hard core racers use the socks and I have never seen issues in a blow. It adds a few extra minutes to putting the boat away, but less time than folding the sail. Martin 'Mac' McKenzie Worthy Pearl 1983 C&C 37 MK I___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Genoa sock
Hi, I have a sock for my genoa. It has blown off twice in thunderstorms where the wind gusted over 40mph. I have repaired it twice and now use it sparingly. E.g. if I am racing and want to leave it on over night. If I leave the boat for any period of time unattended I take the headsail down. Eric ___ "I want 10,000 tough guys, and I want 10,000 soft guys to make the tough guys look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft!" *Russ Cargill* On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Tom Anderson wrote: > David, > I have been using one for the last eight years on my racing genoa. With > two people it takes about three to four minutes to put up, much less to > take down. MUCH better than the heavy UV Sunbrella or some other sort of > sacrificial material. Genoa flies much better in lighter air. Any good > sailmaker or canvas person can easily make you one. Probably cheaper than > ATN., and you want it made the exact height of you luff. Too big, and it > will flop around in wind. > > Tom Anderson > C&C 32 Nonpareil > On the hard in Marblehead, MA > > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 17:57:17 -0500 > From: David Knecht > To: CnC CnC discussion list > Subject: Stus-List genoa sock > Message-ID: <297380ae-0358-4fb1-a810-3d528630e...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Has anyone used a product like the ATN genoa sleeve? I am considering if > I get a new genoa, not having a protective leech section put on and instead > using a product like this. Plusses and minuses? I have seen comments that > they create more windage in a storm, but ATN is claiming it would be > protective. I have seen plenty of genoas destroyed at our club by > something coming loose while at the mooring in a blow, and this seems like > a way to prevent that. Dave > > > David Knecht > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Genoa sock
Hi Eric- Can you clarify “blown off”. My impression was that it was a tube held down by a network of lines to compress it. How does that come off short of halyard failure? Dave On Feb 7, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Eric Baumes wrote: > Hi, > > I have a sock for my genoa. It has blown off twice in thunderstorms where the > wind gusted over 40mph. I have repaired it twice and now use it sparingly. > E.g. if I am racing and want to leave it on over night. > > If I leave the boat for any period of time unattended I take the headsail > down. > > Eric > > ___ > "I want 10,000 tough guys, and I want 10,000 soft guys to make the tough guys > look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, tough, > soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft!" > > Russ Cargill > > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Tom Anderson wrote: > David, > I have been using one for the last eight years on my racing genoa. With two > people it takes about three to four minutes to put up, much less to take > down. MUCH better than the heavy UV Sunbrella or some other sort of > sacrificial material. Genoa flies much better in lighter air. Any good > sailmaker or canvas person can easily make you one. Probably cheaper than > ATN., and you want it made the exact height of you luff. Too big, and it > will flop around in wind. > > Tom Anderson > C&C 32 Nonpareil > On the hard in Marblehead, MA > > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 17:57:17 -0500 > From: David Knecht > To: CnC CnC discussion list > Subject: Stus-List genoa sock > Message-ID: <297380ae-0358-4fb1-a810-3d528630e...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Has anyone used a product like the ATN genoa sleeve? I am considering if I > get a new genoa, not having a protective leech section put on and instead > using a product like this. Plusses and minuses? I have seen comments that > they create more windage in a storm, but ATN is claiming it would be > protective. I have seen plenty of genoas destroyed at our club by something > coming loose while at the mooring in a blow, and this seems like a way to > prevent that. Dave > > > David Knecht > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com David Knecht, Ph.D. Professor and Head of Core Microscopy Facility Department of Molecular and Cell Biology U-3125 91 N. Eagleville Rd. University of Connecticut Storrs, CT 06269 860-486-2200 860-486-4331 (fax) ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Genoa sock - off topic
Hello David By any way did you ever run into my Aunt: Pat Schultz? She was a long time biology professor using an electron microscope at the University of SanFrancisco. One of the originals using the electron microscope as a tool in biology. Cheers, Bill Hoyne Mithrandir ’74 C&C35 MkII in Victoria,BC On Feb 7, 2014, at 3:42 PM, David Knecht wrote: > Hi Eric- Can you clarify “blown off”. My impression was that it was a tube > held down by a network of lines to compress it. How does that come off short > of halyard failure? Dave > > On Feb 7, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Eric Baumes wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have a sock for my genoa. It has blown off twice in thunderstorms where >> the wind gusted over 40mph. I have repaired it twice and now use it >> sparingly. E.g. if I am racing and want to leave it on over night. >> >> If I leave the boat for any period of time unattended I take the headsail >> down. >> >> Eric >> >> ___ >> "I want 10,000 tough guys, and I want 10,000 soft guys to make the tough >> guys look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, >> tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, >> tough, soft!" >> >> Russ Cargill >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Tom Anderson >> wrote: >> David, >> I have been using one for the last eight years on my racing genoa. With two >> people it takes about three to four minutes to put up, much less to take >> down. MUCH better than the heavy UV Sunbrella or some other sort of >> sacrificial material. Genoa flies much better in lighter air. Any good >> sailmaker or canvas person can easily make you one. Probably cheaper than >> ATN., and you want it made the exact height of you luff. Too big, and it >> will flop around in wind. >> >> Tom Anderson >> C&C 32 Nonpareil >> On the hard in Marblehead, MA >> >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 17:57:17 -0500 >> From: David Knecht >> To: CnC CnC discussion list >> Subject: Stus-List genoa sock >> Message-ID: <297380ae-0358-4fb1-a810-3d528630e...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Has anyone used a product like the ATN genoa sleeve? I am considering if I >> get a new genoa, not having a protective leech section put on and instead >> using a product like this. Plusses and minuses? I have seen comments that >> they create more windage in a storm, but ATN is claiming it would be >> protective. I have seen plenty of genoas destroyed at our club by something >> coming loose while at the mooring in a blow, and this seems like a way to >> prevent that. Dave >> >> >> David Knecht >> Aries >> 1990 C&C 34+ >> New London, CT >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > David Knecht, Ph.D. > Professor and Head of Core Microscopy Facility > Department of Molecular and Cell Biology > U-3125 > 91 N. Eagleville Rd. > University of Connecticut > Storrs, CT 06269 > 860-486-2200 > 860-486-4331 (fax) > > > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
