Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection
Hi, If the soleonid moves but motor does not turn it may well be the solenoid itself, assuming all high amperage connexions are clean and tight . When this happens and a screwdriver between the 2 + posts make it work then it is the connexion between the 2 posts inside the solenoid. beware of sparks when you perform tests ( I have an Atomic 4 ) SylvainC&C27 MkIII On Friday, July 3, 2020, 2:22:46 PM EDT, General Gao via CnC-List wrote: Hi everyone, I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually rotate. I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not turn. Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter issue? Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at? Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced community. thank you, Bo___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Starter or wire connection
Bo As stated earlier, corrosion is our enemy. You state that you usually need to turn the key a couple of times - not familiar with your model, mine has a key that simply turns on the ignition circuit and a push button that energizes the starter solenoid. Yanmar keys are very poor pieces of engineering, if you actually have a start position on your key, as in an automobile, you might want to look there for a worn out contact. But first priority would be ALL of the battery wiring: battery(s) ground cable(s), battery positive terminal, battery positive cable to starter/solenoid terminal(s). Remove each one at a time, degrease if dirty, use fine sandpaper like 220 or higher on the terminals to remove any corrosion, and re-attach each one. Solenoid will have a small gauge (maybe 16 or 18 awg) wire (maybe red) that provides the circuit from the engine control panel to the starter; clean that as the battery cables. If still you still have problem, look at the key/starter button - start by cleaning terminals there, then check the switch.starter button with a continuity checker for "flaky" operation. RayK S/V Genesis C&C 32 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: July 3, 2020 4:48 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 174, Issue 13 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection
I had the same problem about 5 years ago! After 40 or so years, it’s usually corrosion on terminals or untined original wiring! Check and clean the ground connection (usually on one of the transmission casing bolts on the back of the gearbox). After all these years, it may be prudent to change out the battery/starter/ground main cables. You can buy pre-made cables with ends at Canadian Tire (not sure about US, but somewhere like Pep-Boys?) These won’t be tinned either, but the first set lasted 40 years 🤷🏼♂️ Sam Salter C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On Jul 3, 2020, at 12:22 PM, General Gao via CnC-List wrote: Hi everyone, I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually rotate. I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not turn. Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter issue? Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at? Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced community. thank you, Bo ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection
I agree, clean the terminals first, it’s worked for me on cars a couple times. A lot easier than replacing starter motors if it works. Tom S Usually corrosion is the culprit. Clean the terminals on the starter wires. On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 14:22 General Gao via CnC-List wrote: Hi everyone, I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually rotate. I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not turn. Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter issue? Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at? Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced community. thank you, Bo ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray -- Joel ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection
Check the battery terminals as well for corrosion and the condition of the battery. Ron Wild Cheri C&C 30-1 STL On Friday, July 3, 2020, 01:50:35 PM CDT, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: Is it a Yanmar? If so, try running a temporary dedicated wire from the "I" connection on the ignition switch or the positive side of the starter button to the solenoid. If it starts strongly, make the wire permanent bypassing the harness near the engine. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection
thanks for the kind suggestions. the engine is a universal 3 cylinder diesel. I will see if I can at least take a look at the wires. On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:50 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: > Is it a Yanmar? If so, try running a temporary dedicated wire from the > "I" connection on the ignition switch or the positive side of the starter > button to the solenoid. If it starts strongly, make the wire permanent > bypassing the harness near the engine. > > > -- > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:22 PM General Gao via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually >> rotate. I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not >> turn. >> >> Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter >> issue? Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at? >> >> Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced >> community. >> >> thank you, >> >> Bo >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection
Is it a Yanmar? If so, try running a temporary dedicated wire from the "I" connection on the ignition switch or the positive side of the starter button to the solenoid. If it starts strongly, make the wire permanent bypassing the harness near the engine. -- Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:22 PM General Gao via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually > rotate. I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not > turn. > > Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter > issue? Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at? > > Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced > community. > > thank you, > > Bo > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection
Hitting electric motors often results in broken magnets inside the motor and then more problems. I would pull the starter and have it bench tested. Likely you will find some crunchy/corroded wiring in the process. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection
Usually corrosion is the culprit. Clean the terminals on the starter wires. On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:31 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Get a second person to help. While they are attempting to start, you can > be down below giving the starter a love tap with a heavy implement. If it > starts then you probably need to rebuild the starter. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 14:22 General Gao via CnC-List > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually >> rotate. I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not >> turn. >> >> Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter >> issue? Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at? >> >> Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced >> community. >> >> thank you, >> >> Bo >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- Joel ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection
Get a second person to help. While they are attempting to start, you can be down below giving the starter a love tap with a heavy implement. If it starts then you probably need to rebuild the starter. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 14:22 General Gao via CnC-List wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually > rotate. I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not > turn. > > Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter > issue? Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at? > > Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced > community. > > thank you, > > Bo > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
