Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?

[Lorne Serpa via CnC-List]

Yes,  I ment casual racing for fun. I'm not into stressing my boat and
sails,  breaking stuff if I have to live on it.   I'll have full cabinets,
food,  clothes,  ac,  etc.  I'd be nowhere competitive with 1.5 years of
sporadic sailing on a lake either.   I'd like to have fun though.

On Apr 29, 2016 12:49 PM, "Sam Wheeler via CnC-List" 
wrote:
>
> Same here.  I bought my 35-3 this winter to live aboard and pleasure
sail, but I do my racing on other boats.  Even if you're new to it, I would
expect that it shouldn't be too hard to find reasonably good racers looking
for extra crew.  It's terrific experience.
>
> I'm hoping to enter mine in some very casual races once I've got her set
up to my liking, but I definitely don't expect to finish particularly well
with my tired sails and with all my stuff on board, and I wouldn't do it if
I didn't already have a racing background.
>
> Sam
> 35-3
> SF
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 12:01 AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1.  I spent three years crewing on other people's boats - headsail and
spinnaker trimmer, foredeck, driver, "fourth", etc. - before buying my own
boat and raising a crew for racing.  My crew are relatively inexperienced
and I want us all to rotate around and cross-train on every position.  But
that's still not the same as one person crewing around on different boats
with different crews.  My crew won't get that cross-pollination.  It helps
you judge what works well and what doesn't, and pick up information from a
variety of sources.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Randy
>>
>> ________
>> From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
>> To: "cnc-list" 
>> Cc: "Dennis" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 8:05:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?
>>
>>
>> Ditto. That's what I did. Not only do you absorb a lot of sailing go
fast knowledge, you will also see what works best as far as running rigging
configurations, strategy, etc.  I worked every position on lots of boats.
My time spent racing on other boats was priceless.  I still do it.
>>
>> As a skipper who has experience as main trimmer, genoa trimmer, grinder,
put, foredeck, mast, etc. I understand what each crew member is doing,
needs to do.  Makes me a better skipper. BTW, I didn't usually drive the
boat. One of my crew was better at it. I usually did foredeck.
>>
>> Guy in my marina races his boat. He only drives. He never races on other
boats nor does he do other positions on his boat.  His racing program never
improves.
>>
>> The other advantage to racing on other boats is you don't have to pay
for broken stuff.  :)
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touché 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lorne,
>>>
>>> Please do not try to learn how to sail and to race with a liveaboard
boat that you just got in to.
>>>
>>> The very best way to learn racing and sailing is to get out by crewing
on well found yachts. The ego of most crew members will smother you with
information and by the end of a season you will see much of it applied.
Good and bad.
>>>
>>> Then you can use your own boat, loaded as she will be, for pleasure.
Say, a nice daysail once in awhile.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Russ
>>> Sweet 35 mk-1
>>>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?

[Sam Wheeler via CnC-List]

Same here.  I bought my 35-3 this winter to live aboard and pleasure sail,
but I do my racing on other boats.  Even if you're new to it, I would
expect that it shouldn't be too hard to find reasonably good racers looking
for extra crew.  It's terrific experience.

I'm hoping to enter mine in some very casual races once I've got her set up
to my liking, but I definitely don't expect to finish particularly well
with my tired sails and with all my stuff on board, and I wouldn't do it if
I didn't already have a racing background.

Sam
35-3
SF

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 12:01 AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> +1.  I spent three years crewing on other people's boats - headsail and
> spinnaker trimmer, foredeck, driver, "fourth", etc. - before buying my own
> boat and raising a crew for racing.  My crew are relatively inexperienced
> and I want us all to rotate around and cross-train on every position.  But
> that's still not the same as one person crewing around on different boats
> with different crews.  My crew won't get that cross-pollination.  It helps
> you judge what works well and what doesn't, and pick up information from a
> variety of sources.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> --
> *From: *"Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
> *To: *"cnc-list" 
> *Cc: *"Dennis" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 28, 2016 8:05:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?
>
>
> Ditto. That's what I did. Not only do you absorb a lot of sailing go fast
> knowledge, you will also see what works best as far as running rigging
> configurations, strategy, etc.  I worked every position on lots of boats.
> My time spent racing on other boats was priceless.  I still do it.
>
> As a skipper who has experience as main trimmer, genoa trimmer, grinder,
> put, foredeck, mast, etc. I understand what each crew member is doing,
> needs to do.  Makes me a better skipper. BTW, I didn't usually drive the
> boat. One of my crew was better at it. I usually did foredeck.
>
> Guy in my marina races his boat. He only drives. He never races on other
> boats nor does he do other positions on his boat.  His racing program never
> improves.
>
> The other advantage to racing on other boats is you don't have to pay for
> broken stuff.  :)
>
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Lorne,
>
> Please do not try to learn how to sail and to race with a liveaboard boat
> that you just got in to.
>
> The very best way to learn racing and sailing is to get out by crewing on
> well found yachts. The ego of most crew members will smother you with
> information and by the end of a season you will see much of it applied.
> Good and bad.
>
> Then you can use your own boat, loaded as she will be, for pleasure. Say,
> a nice daysail once in awhile.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>
>
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Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

+1. I spent three years crewing on other people's boats - headsail and 
spinnaker trimmer, foredeck, driver, "fourth", etc. - before buying my own boat 
and raising a crew for racing. My crew are relatively inexperienced and I want 
us all to rotate around and cross-train on every position. But that's still not 
the same as one person crewing around on different boats with different crews. 
My crew won't get that cross-pollination. It helps you judge what works well 
and what doesn't, and pick up information from a variety of sources. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Dennis"  
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 8:05:28 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar? 

Ditto. That's what I did. Not only do you absorb a lot of sailing go fast 
knowledge, you will also see what works best as far as running rigging 
configurations, strategy, etc. I worked every position on lots of boats. My 
time spent racing on other boats was priceless. I still do it. 

As a skipper who has experience as main trimmer, genoa trimmer, grinder, put, 
foredeck, mast, etc. I understand what each crew member is doing, needs to do. 
Makes me a better skipper. BTW, I didn't usually drive the boat. One of my crew 
was better at it. I usually did foredeck. 

Guy in my marina races his boat. He only drives. He never races on other boats 
nor does he do other positions on his boat. His racing program never improves. 

The other advantage to racing on other boats is you don't have to pay for 
broken stuff. :) 

Dennis C. 
Touché 35-1 #83 
Mandeville, LA 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> wrote: 




Hi Lorne, 

Please do not try to learn how to sail and to race with a liveaboard boat that 
you just got in to. 

The very best way to learn racing and sailing is to get out by crewing on well 
found yachts. The ego of most crew members will smother you with information 
and by the end of a season you will see much of it applied. Good and bad. 

Then you can use your own boat, loaded as she will be, for pleasure. Say, a 
nice daysail once in awhile. 

Cheers, Russ 
Sweet 35 mk-1 


At 03:20 PM 28/04/2016, you wrote: 


Never raced before, interesting table with lots of boats. I obviously have 
lots of reading tonight when I get off work. What dimensions are best to get 
as close to match and in what priority? I assume "I" J, P, E etc in that order 
need to match and that I is more important to match than J and more so then P 
etc down the line. 
 
I do plan to get into racing this year, but it's a whole new world to me. I 
mainly bought it to live on, but want to increase my sailing experience. 







On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 
I'd look at the PHRF rating for similar sized boats like a Bene Oceanis 31, 
Dehler 29 etc. and use the closest. 

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 

A couple of my new weather routing apps would like a polar to make routing more 
accurate.  Anyone have one or know where to get one? If not, there polar are 
prep loaded. Would any get me close? 

C5g3 
A35 
BP5 
CIGALE14 
CLASS40 
FIGARO2 
IMOCA2008MONO650 
POGO850 
TRANSPAC52 

Archambault 
a31 a35 a40rc 
Bavaria 
bavaria33 bavaria32 bavaria34 
Bénéteau 
evasion32 figaro2 first210 first21_7 first25_7 first26 first27_7 first30jk 
first310s first31_7 first325gte first32s5 oceanis31 oceanis34Â first24 first29 
evasion34 firstclass10 oceanis351 
Dehler 
dehler29 dehler32 
Dufour 
dufour27 dufour34Â dufour24 dufour34 
Etap 
etap32i 
Express 
express27 
Farr 
far36od mumm30 
Hallberg Rassy 
J Boats 
j105 j109 j120 j122 j133 
Jeanneau 
jod35 melody sunfast32 sunfast3200 sunfast32i 
Tartan 
tartan10 
Wauquiez 
gladiateur 
X Yachts 
x332 xp33 

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Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Ditto. That's what I did. Not only do you absorb a lot of sailing go fast 
knowledge, you will also see what works best as far as running rigging 
configurations, strategy, etc.  I worked every position on lots of boats. My 
time spent racing on other boats was priceless.  I still do it. 

As a skipper who has experience as main trimmer, genoa trimmer, grinder, put, 
foredeck, mast, etc. I understand what each crew member is doing, needs to do.  
Makes me a better skipper. BTW, I didn't usually drive the boat. One of my crew 
was better at it. I usually did foredeck. 

Guy in my marina races his boat. He only drives. He never races on other boats 
nor does he do other positions on his boat.  His racing program never improves.

The other advantage to racing on other boats is you don't have to pay for 
broken stuff.  :)

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lorne,
> 
> Please do not try to learn how to sail and to race with a liveaboard boat 
> that you just got in to.
> 
> The very best way to learn racing and sailing is to get out by crewing on 
> well found yachts. The ego of most crew members will smother you with 
> information and by the end of a season you will see much of it applied. Good 
> and bad.
> 
> Then you can use your own boat, loaded as she will be, for pleasure. Say, a 
> nice daysail once in awhile.
> 
> Cheers, Russ
> Sweet 35 mk-1
> 
> 
> At 03:20 PM 28/04/2016, you wrote:
>> Never raced before, interesting table with lots of boats.  I obviously have 
>> lots of reading tonight when I get off work.  What dimensions are best to 
>> get as close to match and in what priority?  I assume "I" J, P, E etc in 
>> that order need to match and that I is more important to match than J and 
>> more so then P etc down the line.  
>> Â 
>> I do plan to get into racing this year, but it's a whole new world to me.  
>> I mainly bought it to live on, but want to increase my sailing experience.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I'd look at the PHRF rating for similar sized boats like a Bene Oceanis 31, 
>> Dehler 29 etc. and use the closest.
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> A couple of my new weather routing apps would like a polar to make routing 
>> more accurate.   Anyone have one or know where to get one? If not,  there 
>> polar are prep loaded.  Would any get me close? 
>> 
>> C5g3
>> A35
>> BP5
>> CIGALE14
>> CLASS40
>> FIGARO2
>> IMOCA2008MONO650
>> POGO850
>> TRANSPAC52
>> 
>> Archambault
>> a31 a35 a40rc
>> Bavaria
>> bavaria33 bavaria32 bavaria34
>> Bénéteau
>> evasion32 figaro2 first210 first21_7 first25_7 first26 first27_7 first30jk 
>> first310s first31_7 first325gte first32s5 oceanis31 oceanis34Â  first24 
>> first29 evasion34 firstclass10 oceanis351
>> Dehler
>> dehler29 dehler32 
>> Dufour
>> dufour27 dufour34Â  dufour24 dufour34
>> Etap
>> etap32i
>> Express
>> express27
>> Farr
>> far36od mumm30
>> Hallberg Rassy
>> J Boats
>> j105 j109 j120 j122 j133 
>> Jeanneau
>> jod35 melody sunfast32 sunfast3200 sunfast32i
>> Tartan
>> tartan10
>> Wauquiez
>> gladiateur
>> X Yachts
>> x332 xp33
>> 
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>> are greatly appreciated!
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>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Lorne,

Please do not try to learn how to sail and to 
race with a liveaboard boat that you just got in to.


The very best way to learn racing and sailing is 
to get out by crewing on well found yachts. The 
ego of most crew members will smother you with 
information and by the end of a season you will 
see much of it applied. Good and bad.


Then you can use your own boat, loaded as she 
will be, for pleasure. Say, a nice daysail once in awhile.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 03:20 PM 28/04/2016, you wrote:
Never raced before, interesting table with lots 
of boats.  I obviously have lots of reading 
tonight when I get off work.  What dimensions 
are best to get as close to match and in what 
priority?  I assume "I" J, P, E etc in that 
order need to match and that I is more important 
to match than J and more so then P etc down the line.Â

Â
I do plan to get into racing this year, but it's 
a whole new world to me.  I mainly bought it to 
live on, but want to increase my sailing experience.





On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I'd look at the PHRF rating for similar sized 
boats like a Bene Oceanis 31, Dehler 29 etc. and use the closest.


On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Lorne Serpa via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


A couple of my new weather routing apps would 
like a polar to make routing more accurate. 
  Anyone have one or know where to get one? If 
not,  there polar are prep loaded.  Would any get me close?


C5g3
A35
BP5
CIGALE14
CLASS40
FIGARO2
IMOCA2008MONO650
POGO850
TRANSPAC52

Archambault
a31 a35 a40rc
Bavaria
bavaria33 bavaria32 bavaria34
Bénéteau
evasion32 figaro2 first210 first21_7 first25_7 
first26 first27_7 first30jk first310s first31_7 
first325gte first32s5 oceanis31 
oceanis34Â  first24 first29 evasion34 firstclass10 oceanis351

Dehler
dehler29 dehler32
Dufour
dufour27 dufour34Â  dufour24 dufour34
Etap
etap32i
Express
express27
Farr
far36od mumm30
Hallberg Rassy
J Boats
j105 j109 j120 j122 j133
Jeanneau
jod35 melody sunfast32 sunfast3200 sunfast32i
Tartan
tartan10
Wauquiez
gladiateur
X Yachts
x332 xp33

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Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

This might be a rough starting point, the CS 30.

http://bottrell.ca/BoatDocs/CS30Polars.pdf

You could pick a few datapoints and see how close you are.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1
 



Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:24:38 -0600 
From: Lorne Serpa  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar? 
Message-ID: 
      
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
A couple of my new weather routing apps would like a polar to make routing 
more accurate.   Anyone have one or know where to get one? If not,  there 
polar are prep loaded.  Would any get me close? 
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Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?

[Sam Wheeler via CnC-List]

Here's another PHRF list that, while not as comprehensive as Randy's US
Sailing list, might be simpler to read because it only lists one rating for
each class: http://www.yra.org/PHRF/docs/ncphrf_baserates.pdf

This one happens to be for the Northern California area, but if your goal
is just to find comparable boats it shouldn't really matter which region
you use.  On this list, a C&C 30-2 rates 150.

Ideally, I would try to choose a boat that not only has a similar rating
but also dates to the same era, since the designs are more likely to be
similar if they were made in the same time period.

As background, if you're new to this, lower numbers are faster.  The
difference between two boats' ratings is how much time in seconds per mile
you correct their results in a race to make it (roughly) an even match up.
There are also more complicated formulas that can be used based solely on
elapsed time instead of distance.

Sam
35-3
SF

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Lorne check out
> http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf
>  for
> PHRF ratings by boat make & model given by various yacht clubs around the
> country, and
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_Handicap_Racing_Fleet and
> fan-out (specifically http://www.phrfsocal.org/phrf-history/) for
> background on PRHF.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> --
> *From: *"Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" 
> *To: *"cnc-list" 
> *Cc: *"Lorne Serpa" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 28, 2016 4:03:02 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?
>
>
> I'm new to sailing.  I sort of see what  you are saying.  How to I know
> what my PHRF rating is for a Mk II 30?
> And, how do I know what  PHRF rating is for other boats?  I assume there
> is a library somewhere?  I'll google it tonight.  Thanks.
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd look at the PHRF rating for similar sized boats like a Bene Oceanis
>> 31, Dehler 29 etc. and use the closest.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A couple of my new weather routing apps would like a polar to make
>>> routing more accurate.   Anyone have one or know where to get one? If not,
>>> there polar are prep loaded.  Would any get me close?
>>>
>>> C5g3
>>> A35
>>> BP5
>>> CIGALE14
>>> CLASS40
>>> FIGARO2
>>> IMOCA2008MONO650
>>> POGO850
>>> TRANSPAC52
>>>
>>> Archambault
>>> a31 a35 a40rc
>>> Bavaria
>>> bavaria33 bavaria32 bavaria34
>>> Bénéteau
>>> evasion32 figaro2 first210 first21_7 first25_7 first26 first27_7
>>> first30jk first310s first31_7 first325gte first32s5 oceanis31 oceanis34
>>> first24 first29 evasion34 firstclass10 oceanis351
>>> Dehler
>>> dehler29 dehler32
>>> Dufour
>>> dufour27 dufour34  dufour24 dufour34
>>> Etap
>>> etap32i
>>> Express
>>> express27
>>> Farr
>>> far36od mumm30
>>> Hallberg Rassy
>>> J Boats
>>> j105 j109 j120 j122 j133
>>> Jeanneau
>>> jod35 melody sunfast32 sunfast3200 sunfast32i
>>> Tartan
>>> tartan10
>>> Wauquiez
>>> gladiateur
>>> X Yachts
>>> x332 xp33
>>>
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>>>
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>>> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All
>>> Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>> 301 541 8551
>>
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Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Lorne check out 
http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf
 for PHRF ratings by boat make & model given by various yacht clubs around the 
country, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_Handicap_Racing_Fleet 
and fan-out (specifically http://www.phrfsocal.org/phrf-history/) for 
background on PRHF. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Lorne Serpa"  
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 4:03:02 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar? 

I'm new to sailing. I sort of see what you are saying. How to I know what my 
PHRF rating is for a Mk II 30? 
And, how do I know what PHRF rating is for other boats? I assume there is a 
library somewhere? I'll google it tonight. Thanks. 

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 



I'd look at the PHRF rating for similar sized boats like a Bene Oceanis 31, 
Dehler 29 etc. and use the closest. 

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 




A couple of my new weather routing apps would like a polar to make routing more 
accurate. Anyone have one or know where to get one? If not, there polar are 
prep loaded. Would any get me close? 

C5g3 
A35 
BP5 
CIGALE14 
CLASS40 
FIGARO2 
IMOCA2008MONO650 
POGO850 
TRANSPAC52 

Archambault 
a31 a35 a40rc 
Bavaria 
bavaria33 bavaria32 bavaria34 
Bénéteau 
evasion32 figaro2 first210 first21_7 first25_7 first26 first27_7 first30jk 
first310s first31_7 first325gte first32s5 oceanis31 oceanis34 first24 first29 
evasion34 firstclass10 oceanis351 
Dehler 
dehler29 dehler32 
Dufour 
dufour27 dufour34 dufour24 dufour34 
Etap 
etap32i 
Express 
express27 
Farr 
far36od mumm30 
Hallberg Rassy 
J Boats 
j105 j109 j120 j122 j133 
Jeanneau 
jod35 melody sunfast32 sunfast3200 sunfast32i 
Tartan 
tartan10 
Wauquiez 
gladiateur 
X Yachts 
x332 xp33 

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Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?

[Lorne Serpa via CnC-List]

Never raced before, interesting table with lots of boats.  I obviously have
lots of reading tonight when I get off work.  What dimensions are best to
get as close to match and in what priority?  I assume "I" J, P, E etc in
that order need to match and that I is more important to match than J and
more so then P etc down the line.

I do plan to get into racing this year, but it's a whole new world to me.
I mainly bought it to live on, but want to increase my sailing experience.

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'd look at the PHRF rating for similar sized boats like a Bene Oceanis
> 31, Dehler 29 etc. and use the closest.
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> A couple of my new weather routing apps would like a polar to make
>> routing more accurate.   Anyone have one or know where to get one? If not,
>> there polar are prep loaded.  Would any get me close?
>>
>> C5g3
>> A35
>> BP5
>> CIGALE14
>> CLASS40
>> FIGARO2
>> IMOCA2008MONO650
>> POGO850
>> TRANSPAC52
>>
>> Archambault
>> a31 a35 a40rc
>> Bavaria
>> bavaria33 bavaria32 bavaria34
>> Bénéteau
>> evasion32 figaro2 first210 first21_7 first25_7 first26 first27_7
>> first30jk first310s first31_7 first325gte first32s5 oceanis31 oceanis34
>> first24 first29 evasion34 firstclass10 oceanis351
>> Dehler
>> dehler29 dehler32
>> Dufour
>> dufour27 dufour34  dufour24 dufour34
>> Etap
>> etap32i
>> Express
>> express27
>> Farr
>> far36od mumm30
>> Hallberg Rassy
>> J Boats
>> j105 j109 j120 j122 j133
>> Jeanneau
>> jod35 melody sunfast32 sunfast3200 sunfast32i
>> Tartan
>> tartan10
>> Wauquiez
>> gladiateur
>> X Yachts
>> x332 xp33
>>
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Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?

[Lorne Serpa via CnC-List]

I'm new to sailing.  I sort of see what  you are saying.  How to I know
what my PHRF rating is for a Mk II 30?
And, how do I know what  PHRF rating is for other boats?  I assume there is
a library somewhere?  I'll google it tonight.  Thanks.

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'd look at the PHRF rating for similar sized boats like a Bene Oceanis
> 31, Dehler 29 etc. and use the closest.
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> A couple of my new weather routing apps would like a polar to make
>> routing more accurate.   Anyone have one or know where to get one? If not,
>> there polar are prep loaded.  Would any get me close?
>>
>> C5g3
>> A35
>> BP5
>> CIGALE14
>> CLASS40
>> FIGARO2
>> IMOCA2008MONO650
>> POGO850
>> TRANSPAC52
>>
>> Archambault
>> a31 a35 a40rc
>> Bavaria
>> bavaria33 bavaria32 bavaria34
>> Bénéteau
>> evasion32 figaro2 first210 first21_7 first25_7 first26 first27_7
>> first30jk first310s first31_7 first325gte first32s5 oceanis31 oceanis34
>> first24 first29 evasion34 firstclass10 oceanis351
>> Dehler
>> dehler29 dehler32
>> Dufour
>> dufour27 dufour34  dufour24 dufour34
>> Etap
>> etap32i
>> Express
>> express27
>> Farr
>> far36od mumm30
>> Hallberg Rassy
>> J Boats
>> j105 j109 j120 j122 j133
>> Jeanneau
>> jod35 melody sunfast32 sunfast3200 sunfast32i
>> Tartan
>> tartan10
>> Wauquiez
>> gladiateur
>> X Yachts
>> x332 xp33
>>
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>>
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>> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All
>> Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>>
>>
>
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Re: Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I'd look at the PHRF rating for similar sized boats like a Bene Oceanis 31,
Dehler 29 etc. and use the closest.

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A couple of my new weather routing apps would like a polar to make routing
> more accurate.   Anyone have one or know where to get one? If not,  there
> polar are prep loaded.  Would any get me close?
>
> C5g3
> A35
> BP5
> CIGALE14
> CLASS40
> FIGARO2
> IMOCA2008MONO650
> POGO850
> TRANSPAC52
>
> Archambault
> a31 a35 a40rc
> Bavaria
> bavaria33 bavaria32 bavaria34
> Bénéteau
> evasion32 figaro2 first210 first21_7 first25_7 first26 first27_7 first30jk
> first310s first31_7 first325gte first32s5 oceanis31 oceanis34  first24
> first29 evasion34 firstclass10 oceanis351
> Dehler
> dehler29 dehler32
> Dufour
> dufour27 dufour34  dufour24 dufour34
> Etap
> etap32i
> Express
> express27
> Farr
> far36od mumm30
> Hallberg Rassy
> J Boats
> j105 j109 j120 j122 j133
> Jeanneau
> jod35 melody sunfast32 sunfast3200 sunfast32i
> Tartan
> tartan10
> Wauquiez
> gladiateur
> X Yachts
> x332 xp33
>
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> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All
> Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
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Stus-List '88 MkII 30 polar?

[Lorne Serpa via CnC-List]

A couple of my new weather routing apps would like a polar to make routing
more accurate.   Anyone have one or know where to get one? If not,  there
polar are prep loaded.  Would any get me close?

C5g3
A35
BP5
CIGALE14
CLASS40
FIGARO2
IMOCA2008MONO650
POGO850
TRANSPAC52

Archambault
a31 a35 a40rc
Bavaria
bavaria33 bavaria32 bavaria34
Bénéteau
evasion32 figaro2 first210 first21_7 first25_7 first26 first27_7 first30jk
first310s first31_7 first325gte first32s5 oceanis31 oceanis34  first24
first29 evasion34 firstclass10 oceanis351
Dehler
dehler29 dehler32
Dufour
dufour27 dufour34  dufour24 dufour34
Etap
etap32i
Express
express27
Farr
far36od mumm30
Hallberg Rassy
J Boats
j105 j109 j120 j122 j133
Jeanneau
jod35 melody sunfast32 sunfast3200 sunfast32i
Tartan
tartan10
Wauquiez
gladiateur
X Yachts
x332 xp33
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