Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Interesting stuff, eh?

Abstracts of title are cool.  Touche' had a mortgage of $62,400 on it in
the early 80's.  Not bad for a boat with a list price of ~$19,000 in 1971.
:)

Love old historical documents for the boat.  I have IOR rating certificates
for Touche' from the 70's.  PHRF certificates from way back.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 4:52 PM, Dreuge via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Ok, I went ahead and ordered an Abstract of Title from the USCG, and it
> arrived today.
>
> From what I see, there was Preferred Mortgage taken out in 1981 for
> $182,408.40.
>
> It is not totally clear to me. This seems high.  Maybe it included extras
> and/or assumed interest.  Playing around with a mortgage calculator, I see
> that a $100k mortgage at 9% interest for 15 years gives a total cost of
> $182,568.   But in 1981, the home mortgage rates where around 15%.  Working
> backwards from a total cost of $182k at 15% interest gives a mortgage
> amount of $73,000.   Assuming that the original owners provided 20-25% down
> payment would give an estimated sale price of  $91k - $97k.   Same ball
> park as what Ed noted.  The higher price may seem more reasonable.  A
> search on Google shows a listing for a 1981 LF38 for $89k and a listing of
> a 1983 for $110k in the Sep 1984 issue of Yachting magazine.
>
>
>
> Here is a summary of the USCG Abstract of Title-
>
> 
> =
> This vessel was built at Middletown, Rhode Island in 1981 of Fiberglass
> by C Yacths, Inc. for Kiki Toro, Inc. as appears by Certificate of
> Theodore A. Grant, Master Carpenter for C Yachts, Inc. Builder
>
>
>
>
> GRANTOR GRANTEE Kind Date Consideration
> 
> 
> -
>
> Kiki Toro, Inc  bill of sale 3-23-81 $1 and og and vc
>
> All
>
>  Horizon Creditcorp pref. mort. 6-11-81 $182,408.40 & interest
> and pomc
>
> All 3-23-96 Same as total amount
>
>
> 
> ===
>
>
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Ok, I went ahead and ordered an Abstract of Title from the USCG, and it arrived 
today.

From what I see, there was Preferred Mortgage taken out in 1981 for 
$182,408.40.   

It is not totally clear to me. This seems high.  Maybe it included extras 
and/or assumed interest.  Playing around with a mortgage calculator, I see that 
a $100k mortgage at 9% interest for 15 years gives a total cost of $182,568.   
But in 1981, the home mortgage rates where around 15%.  Working backwards from 
a total cost of $182k at 15% interest gives a mortgage amount of $73,000.   
Assuming that the original owners provided 20-25% down payment would give an 
estimated sale price of  $91k - $97k.   Same ball park as what Ed noted.  The 
higher price may seem more reasonable.  A search on Google shows a listing for 
a 1981 LF38 for $89k and a listing of a 1983 for $110k in the Sep 1984 issue of 
Yachting magazine.



Here is a summary of the USCG Abstract of Title- 

=
This vessel was built at Middletown, Rhode Island in 1981 of Fiberglass 
by C Yacths, Inc. for Kiki Toro, Inc. as appears by Certificate of 
Theodore A. Grant, Master Carpenter for C Yachts, Inc. Builder




GRANTOR GRANTEE KindDate
Consideration
-

   

Kiki Toro, Inc  bill of sale3-23-81 
$1 and og and vc

All

Horizon Creditcorp  pref. mort. 6-11-81 
$182,408.40 & interest and pomc

All 
3-23-96 Same as total amount


===
  



-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I have two kids in expensive colleges and two more on deck.  There’s no way I 
could have afforded our boat if it had retained anything near its original 
value over a 40-year period.

Besides, if all had new boats, we wouldn’t need this list.

From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Randy Stafford 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

Well, I paid about 20% fewer dollars in 2016, for both boat and trailer, than 
the first purchaser paid in 1972 for the boat alone - not even considering the 
difference in purchasing power between a 1972 dollar and a 2016 dollar. 

I agree with you that what gets inflated is the money supply - the number of 
dollars in circulation. It takes six more dollars in 2016 to buy the same thing 
you could get in 1972 with one dollar; the purchasing power of a 1972 dollar 
was six times that of a 2016 dollar.

If my boat had held 100% of its original value, and cost $120,000 in 2016 
dollars due to inflation of the money supply over 44 years and lower purchasing 
power of a 2016 dollar compared to a 1972 dollar, I sure as hell couldn’t have 
afforded it :)

Cheers,
Randy



  On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:40 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

  I'd kind of disagree...

  Technically, boat didn't depreciate very much.  It inflation that's taking 
down the value of today's dollars.

  Depreciation is the reduction in $ value over time, and from a tax writeoff 
perspective, a $20,000 asset owned by a business would be written off over a 
specified period of time, presumably to the point it would be worth $0.  


  Its just that $20,000 won't buy you a new sailboat any longer!   


  Bruce Whitmore

  (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
  bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net





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  To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
  Cc: Randy Stafford <randal.staff...@icloud.com>; Patrick Davin 
<jda...@gmail.com>
  Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 6:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price


  According to C brochures that came with Grenadine, the C 30 MK I base 
price as at September 13, 1976 was $27,200.  As at September 1, 1977 it had 
increased to $30,450. 

  I don’t have information on how much her first owner paid for her in 1972.  
I’d guess ~$20,000 if the base price tracked with inflation.  That’s ~$120,000 
in today’s dollars.  And I bought the boat (and its trailer) for $16,500 two 
years ago.  Poor thing obviously depreciated a lot.

  Cheers,
  Randy Stafford
  S/V Grenadine
  C 30-1 #7
  Ken Caryl, CO



On Feb 15, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Wow. That's $123,000 in today's dollars. (20k in 1971 = 123k today). 
Important to compare real values, not nominal values - inflation over 47 years 
is very significant!  Still not bad, a 35' production boat today goes a bit 
more than that I think. 


Would be interesting if anyone has a 1980's number. The 70's after about 
'73 had massive inflation - 
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/1970s-great-inflation.asp


Dennis I suspect the note to not install genoa winches is because the owner 
wanted a particular placement of them (the line after that says "put in the 
boat loose w/ fastenings"). 

-Patrick
'84 LF38

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:59 PM, <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> wrote: 

  -- Forwarded message --
  From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
  To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
  Cc: 
  Bcc: 
  Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:23:01 -0600
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

  Paul, 

  Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971 
order from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of $18,760 
with $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have been a wee 
bit more.

  Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches 
or cleats."  Never have figured that one out.

  https://drive.google.com/open? id= 1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuF gb5

  Dennis C.
  Touche' 35-1 #83
  Mandeville, LA




  On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Hi, 

I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  
I realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for 
in 1981 or thereabouts?



-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot. com/


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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Well, I paid about 20% fewer dollars in 2016, for both boat and trailer, than 
the first purchaser paid in 1972 for the boat alone - not even considering the 
difference in purchasing power between a 1972 dollar and a 2016 dollar.

I agree with you that what gets inflated is the money supply - the number of 
dollars in circulation. It takes six more dollars in 2016 to buy the same thing 
you could get in 1972 with one dollar; the purchasing power of a 1972 dollar 
was six times that of a 2016 dollar.

If my boat had held 100% of its original value, and cost $120,000 in 2016 
dollars due to inflation of the money supply over 44 years and lower purchasing 
power of a 2016 dollar compared to a 1972 dollar, I sure as hell couldn’t have 
afforded it :)

Cheers,
Randy

> On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:40 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> I'd kind of disagree...
> 
> Technically, boat didn't depreciate very much.  It inflation that's taking 
> down the value of today's dollars.
> 
> Depreciation is the reduction in $ value over time, and from a tax writeoff 
> perspective, a $20,000 asset owned by a business would be written off over a 
> specified period of time, presumably to the point it would be worth $0.  
> 
> Its just that $20,000 won't buy you a new sailboat any longer!   
>  
> Bruce Whitmore
> 
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> Cc: Randy Stafford <randal.staff...@icloud.com>; Patrick Davin 
> <jda...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
> 
> According to C brochures that came with Grenadine, the C 30 MK I base 
> price as at September 13, 1976 was $27,200.  As at September 1, 1977 it had 
> increased to $30,450.
> 
> I don’t have information on how much her first owner paid for her in 1972.  
> I’d guess ~$20,000 if the base price tracked with inflation.  That’s 
> ~$120,000 in today’s dollars.  And I bought the boat (and its trailer) for 
> $16,500 two years ago.  Poor thing obviously depreciated a lot.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow. That's $123,000 in today's dollars. (20k in 1971 = 123k today). 
>> Important to compare real values, not nominal values - inflation over 47 
>> years is very significant!  Still not bad, a 35' production boat today goes 
>> a bit more than that I think. 
>> 
>> Would be interesting if anyone has a 1980's number. The 70's after about '73 
>> had massive inflation - 
>> https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/1970s-great-inflation.asp 
>> <https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/1970s-great-inflation.asp>
>> 
>> Dennis I suspect the note to not install genoa winches is because the owner 
>> wanted a particular placement of them (the line after that says "put in the 
>> boat loose w/ fastenings"). 
>> 
>> -Patrick
>> '84 LF38
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:59 PM, <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com <mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
>> To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Cc: 
>> Bcc: 
>> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:23:01 -0600
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
>> Paul,
>> 
>> Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971 order 
>> from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of $18,760 with 
>> $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have been a wee bit 
>> more.
>> 
>> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches or 
>> cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/open? id= 1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuF gb5 
>> <https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5>
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
>> realized I 

Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I have the original documentation for my boat, too.  Design #75-12; $124,500 
U.S. Funds (1976); price includes loading for road transit or commissioning at 
Oakville, Ontario.

From: Dreuge via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 6:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Dreuge 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

Dennis, 

Amazing that you still have the original documentation.   Thanks for sharing.


Paul


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/


  On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:59 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

  Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:23:01 -0600
  From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
  To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
  Message-ID:
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  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

  Paul,

  Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971
  order from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of
  $18,760 with $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have
  been a wee bit more.

  Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches
  or cleats."  Never have figured that one out.

  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5

  Dennis C.
  Touche' 35-1 #83
  Mandeville, LA




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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Patrick,

There's really only one place for those winches to be located.  I think I
know the answer but not 100% sure.

The only clue is on the page entitled "Standard Loose Equipment".  The
handwritten note says "2 #26 Barlow winches".  When I purchased the
boat, it had Barlow 28's for the primaries and Barlow 26's for the
secondaries.  I suspect the 26's were standard and the 1st owner knew he
was going to upgrade the primaries to 28's and put the 26's in the aft spot
for secondaries.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 4:14 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>
> Dennis I suspect the note to not install genoa winches is because the
> owner wanted a particular placement of them (the line after that says "put
> in the boat loose w/ fastenings").
>
> -Patrick
> '84 LF38
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:59 PM,  wrote:
>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "Dennis C." 
>>
>>
>> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches
>> or cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I
>>> realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going
>>> for in 1981 or thereabouts?
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Paul E.
>>> 1981 C 38 Landfall
>>> S/V Johanna Rose
>>> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>>>
>>> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

I'd kind of disagree...
Technically, boat didn't depreciate very much.  It inflation that's taking down 
the value of today's dollars.
Depreciation is the reduction in $ value over time, and from a tax writeoff 
perspective, a $20,000 asset owned by a business would be written off over a 
specified period of time, presumably to the point it would be worth $0.  

Its just that $20,000 won't buy you a new sailboat any longer!   
 Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


  From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Randy Stafford <randal.staff...@icloud.com>; Patrick Davin 
<jda...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 6:08 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
   
According to C brochures that came with Grenadine, the C 30 MK I base price 
as at September 13, 1976 was $27,200.  As at September 1, 1977 it had increased 
to $30,450.
I don’t have information on how much her first owner paid for her in 1972.  I’d 
guess ~$20,000 if the base price tracked with inflation.  That’s ~$120,000 in 
today’s dollars.  And I bought the boat (and its trailer) for $16,500 two years 
ago.  Poor thing obviously depreciated a lot.
Cheers,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC 30-1 #7Ken Caryl, CO


On Feb 15, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
Wow. That's $123,000 in today's dollars. (20k in 1971 = 123k today). Important 
to compare real values, not nominal values - inflation over 47 years is very 
significant!  Still not bad, a 35' production boat today goes a bit more than 
that I think. 
Would be interesting if anyone has a 1980's number. The 70's after about '73 
had massive inflation - 
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/1970s-great-inflation.asp

Dennis I suspect the note to not install genoa winches is because the owner 
wanted a particular placement of them (the line after that says "put in the 
boat loose w/ fastenings"). 
-Patrick'84 LF38
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From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: 
Bcc: 
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:23:01 -0600
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
Paul,
Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971 order 
from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of $18,760 with 
$872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have been a wee bit 
more.
Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches or 
cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
https://drive.google.com/open? id= 1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuF gb5
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA



On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

Hi,
I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for in 
1981 or thereabouts?

-
Paul E.1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL
http://svjohannarose.blogspot. com/

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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Dennis,

Amazing that you still have the original documentation.   Thanks for sharing.


Paul


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:59 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:23:01 -0600
> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com <mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
> To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971
> order from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of
> $18,760 with $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have
> been a wee bit more.
> 
> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches
> or cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5 
> <https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5>
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

According to C brochures that came with Grenadine, the C 30 MK I base price 
as at September 13, 1976 was $27,200.  As at September 1, 1977 it had increased 
to $30,450.

I don’t have information on how much her first owner paid for her in 1972.  I’d 
guess ~$20,000 if the base price tracked with inflation.  That’s ~$120,000 in 
today’s dollars.  And I bought the boat (and its trailer) for $16,500 two years 
ago.  Poor thing obviously depreciated a lot.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Feb 15, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Wow. That's $123,000 in today's dollars. (20k in 1971 = 123k today). 
> Important to compare real values, not nominal values - inflation over 47 
> years is very significant!  Still not bad, a 35' production boat today goes a 
> bit more than that I think. 
> 
> Would be interesting if anyone has a 1980's number. The 70's after about '73 
> had massive inflation - 
> https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/1970s-great-inflation.asp 
> <https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/1970s-great-inflation.asp>
> 
> Dennis I suspect the note to not install genoa winches is because the owner 
> wanted a particular placement of them (the line after that says "put in the 
> boat loose w/ fastenings"). 
> 
> -Patrick
> '84 LF38
> 
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:59 PM, <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com <mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
> To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: 
> Bcc: 
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:23:01 -0600
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
> Paul,
> 
> Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971 order 
> from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of $18,760 with 
> $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have been a wee bit 
> more.
> 
> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches or 
> cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5 
> <https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5>
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
> realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for 
> in 1981 or thereabouts?
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
> 
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ <http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/>
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Bruce via CnC-List]

The original sale price on our 1994 C 37/40+ was +/- $225,000 (USD).  

 

If it weren’t for depreciation, I couldn’t afford to sail!

 

Hoping the curve is pretty flat from here on out, 

 

Bruce C. Whitmore

1994 C 37/40+, “Astralis”

Madeira Beach, FL

847.404.5092

bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net

 

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Cc: ed vanderkruk <primeinter...@gmail.com>; John Christopher 
<phygi...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

 

I have the original bill of sale from one of the last Landfalls ( LF38 hull 229 
) commissioned out of Niagara on the Lake in 1982. I believe all-in it was 
close to 100k Canadian ... but would have to check the builders file on the 
boat.

 

 

 

Ed

 

On Feb 15, 2018 5:32 PM, "John Christopher via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

You can check out this website to compare dollars then to now.

 

I calculated 32K (Guess) in 1979 and it calculated 109634.44 in 2017 taking 
inflation into account.

 

https://westegg.com/inflation/

 

 

John
- LF 38, 1983, #155

 

 


On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov 
<mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> > wrote:

I think the original owners of Coquina paid $24K to buy here new in 1973 and we 
paid $35K in 1977. We paid $34K for our house in 1969, so I grew up thinking 
boat>house was a normal state of affairs. 

Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I

 

 

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Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com <mailto:capt...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

 

Paul,

 

Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971 order 
from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of $18,760 with 
$872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have been a wee bit 
more.

 

Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches or 
cleats."  Never have figured that one out.

 

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

 

 

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for in 
1981 or thereabouts?

 

-
Paul E.

1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

 

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

 


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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[ed vanderkruk via CnC-List]

I have the original bill of sale from one of the last Landfalls ( LF38 hull
229 ) commissioned out of Niagara on the Lake in 1982. I believe all-in it
was close to 100k Canadian ... but would have to check the builders file on
the boat.



Ed

On Feb 15, 2018 5:32 PM, "John Christopher via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You can check out this website to compare dollars then to now.
>
> I calculated 32K (Guess) in 1979 and it calculated 109634.44 in 2017
> taking inflation into account.
>
> https://westegg.com/inflation/
>
>
> John
> - LF 38, 1983, #155
>
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
> wrote:
>
> I think the original owners of Coquina paid $24K to buy here new in 1973
> and we paid $35K in 1977. We paid $34K for our house in 1969, so I grew up
> thinking boat>house was a normal state of affairs.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Dennis C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:23 PM
> *To:* CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Cc:* Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
>
>
>
> Paul,
>
>
>
> Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971
> order from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of
> $18,760 with $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have
> been a wee bit more.
>
>
>
> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches
> or cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I
> realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going
> for in 1981 or thereabouts?
>
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
>
> 1981 C 38 Landfall
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>
>
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

You can check out this website to compare dollars then to now.

I calculated 32K (Guess) in 1979 and it calculated 109634.44 in 2017 taking 
inflation into account.

https://westegg.com/inflation/


John
- LF 38, 1983, #155



> On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> wrote:
> 
> I think the original owners of Coquina paid $24K to buy here new in 1973 and 
> we paid $35K in 1977. We paid $34K for our house in 1969, so I grew up 
> thinking boat>house was a normal state of affairs.
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:23 PM
> To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
>  
> Paul,
>  
> Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971 order 
> from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of $18,760 with 
> $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have been a wee bit 
> more.
>  
> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches or 
> cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
>  
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5
>  
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>  
>  
>  
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
> realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for 
> in 1981 or thereabouts?
>  
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>  
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

Wow. That's $123,000 in today's dollars. (20k in 1971 = 123k today).
Important to compare real values, not nominal values - inflation over 47
years is very significant!  Still not bad, a 35' production boat today goes
a bit more than that I think.

Would be interesting if anyone has a 1980's number. The 70's after about
'73 had massive inflation -
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/1970s-great-inflation.asp

Dennis I suspect the note to not install genoa winches is because the owner
wanted a particular placement of them (the line after that says "put in the
boat loose w/ fastenings").

-Patrick
'84 LF38

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:59 PM, <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
> To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:23:01 -0600
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
> Paul,
>
> Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971
> order from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of
> $18,760 with $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have
> been a wee bit more.
>
> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches
> or cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I
>> realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going
>> for in 1981 or thereabouts?
>>
>>
>> -
>> Paul E.
>> 1981 C 38 Landfall
>> S/V Johanna Rose
>> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>>
>> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I think the original owners of Coquina paid $24K to buy here new in 1973 and we 
paid $35K in 1977. We paid $34K for our house in 1969, so I grew up thinking 
boat>house was a normal state of affairs.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:23 PM
To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

Paul,

Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971 order 
from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of $18,760 with 
$872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have been a wee bit 
more.

Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches or 
cleats."  Never have figured that one out.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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Hi,

I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for in 
1981 or thereabouts?

-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/


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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Paul,

Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971
order from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of
$18,760 with $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have
been a wee bit more.

Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches
or cleats."  Never have figured that one out.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I
> realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going
> for in 1981 or thereabouts?
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

 Paul, look up the brochure on the Photo album site, frequently they have the 
original price lists included.

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River

Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price


Hi,


I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for in 
1981 or thereabouts?






Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL


http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/





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Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Hi,

I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for in 
1981 or thereabouts?


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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