Re: Stus-List Lifting an outboard

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

And noise

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 9:09 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My 15 HP 78 pound engine goes on in March/April and off in November or
> December. I have never even thought about trying to remove it and take it
> aboard.  My RIB tows just fine with an engine on, although there is a fair
> amount of drag.
>
> My engine theory is this.
>
> 1.   Stick to two strokes, 4-strokes are very heavy and have issues
> with being stored at certain angles.
>
> 2.   Go big or go small, don’t go for the middle. I can do 18-20
> knots in the dinghy with a load of people and supplies. If I got a
> different type of dinghy I could not tow with the engine on, I would get a
> 2-3 HP 2-stroke I could pick up with two fingers. If you aren’t planing
> anyway, the difference in speed between a 2 HP and 4 or 6 is minimal. If
> you just can’t make yourself scavenge Craigslist for used engines, you can
> always subject yourself to the lawn mower noise of a 2 HP Honda.
>
> 3.   This brings up another point, check the ratings of your dinghy
> for power and **weight**. My dinghy is rated for 25 HP, but also has a
> max engine weight of something like 125 pounds. I do not think any 4-stroke
> 25 HP engine will make the weight limit.
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>
> Re the dates above, one year I decided to leave the dinghy in all year for
> bird photography at the wildlife park across the river. Not only does it
> concentrate the mind to be the only boat moving on a very cold day, it
> snowed while I was gone on business, then it got warm and rained, and then
> a cold front came through and I ended up with 3 inches of solid ice in the
> dinghy L End of that experiment!
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> *Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK I*
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> *www.dellabarba.com <http://www.dellabarba.com>*
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> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David
> Risch via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:30 PM
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> *Cc:* David Risch ; Len Mitchell <
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> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Lifting an outboard
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>
> This may be blasephy, but unless I am crossing the Gulf of Maine (or
> similar) I leave my engines on.  Not worth all the rigging BS and my
> hurting my back.
>
> Never lost a rig, in too many to mention years,  up here in the not always
> tranquil New England. Mind your weather  and your painter.  And if I do
> lose it? Thats why I have insurance.
>
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Re: Stus-List Lifting an outboard

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

If I ever swap to a deflatable inflatable that is the kind of engine I 
will be looking for!



Joe

Coquina

On 7/30/2020 2:12 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
This is why I have a 2.5 hp Suzuki that weighs 30lb.  Never felt the 
need for more power.  Towed a 30 footer in trouble whose engine had 
died in mooring field last weekend.  Not fast, but we got there.  Dave


S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Lifting an outboard

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

This is why I have a 2.5 hp Suzuki that weighs 30lb.  Never felt the need for 
more power.  Towed a 30 footer in trouble whose engine had died in mooring 
field last weekend.  Not fast, but we got there.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Jul 29, 2020, at 10:40 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I use my main halyard, with a 4:1 block and tackle (used for my Lifesling) to 
> hoist a 4hhp Tohatsu 4-stroke onto the dinghy from a bracket on the stern 
> pulpit. I have done this single handed, but it wasn't fun. Probably not too 
> bad with two people.
> 
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
> 
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 5:01 PM rockland bazemore via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I'm sure this has been covered many times sailors but I'm racking my brain on 
> this one. With my old 3hp 2-stroke ~36lb I'd lay it on the side of my Pearson 
> and then sling it over the rail onto the mount. I now have a 4hp 4-stroke 
> (61lb) and a 37/40. (I know I should have gotten the 6hp) The Garhauer radar 
> davit 
> 
>  that would attach to my radar pole could be an answer but there's little 
> room between the bimini and the railing and it won't arrive before we cruise. 
> Any good techniques out there?
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> Rockland Bazemore
> S/V Blue Pearl
> C&C 37/40+
> Port Washington, NY
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Re: Stus-List Lifting an outboard

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My 15 HP 78 pound engine goes on in March/April and off in November or 
December. I have never even thought about trying to remove it and take it 
aboard.  My RIB tows just fine with an engine on, although there is a fair 
amount of drag.
My engine theory is this.

1.   Stick to two strokes, 4-strokes are very heavy and have issues with 
being stored at certain angles.

2.   Go big or go small, don't go for the middle. I can do 18-20 knots in 
the dinghy with a load of people and supplies. If I got a different type of 
dinghy I could not tow with the engine on, I would get a 2-3 HP 2-stroke I 
could pick up with two fingers. If you aren't planing anyway, the difference in 
speed between a 2 HP and 4 or 6 is minimal. If you just can't make yourself 
scavenge Craigslist for used engines, you can always subject yourself to the 
lawn mower noise of a 2 HP Honda.

3.   This brings up another point, check the ratings of your dinghy for 
power and *weight*. My dinghy is rated for 25 HP, but also has a max engine 
weight of something like 125 pounds. I do not think any 4-stroke 25 HP engine 
will make the weight limit.

Re the dates above, one year I decided to leave the dinghy in all year for bird 
photography at the wildlife park across the river. Not only does it concentrate 
the mind to be the only boat moving on a very cold day, it snowed while I was 
gone on business, then it got warm and rained, and then a cold front came 
through and I ended up with 3 inches of solid ice in the dinghy :( End of that 
experiment!


Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com









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Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:30 PM
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Cc: David Risch ; Len Mitchell 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Lifting an outboard

This may be blasephy, but unless I am crossing the Gulf of Maine (or similar) I 
leave my engines on.  Not worth all the rigging BS and my hurting my back.
Never lost a rig, in too many to mention years,  up here in the not always 
tranquil New England. Mind your weather  and your painter.  And if I do lose 
it? Thats why I have insurance.
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Re: Stus-List Lifting an outboard

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I'm with David, been leaving the engine on the dink...  I do have a cable on it though and belts and suspenders with 2 painters.  


Although, I do use a small mainsheet setup attached to the Bimini with good success when I do want it on the rail.  The Bimini is braced to the stern rail at that location.  So, it seems plenty strong. 


Danny


thanks,

Danny


From: David Risch via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 10:30 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: David Risch; Len MitchellSubject: Re: Stus-List Lifting an outboard


This may be blasephy, but unless I am crossing the Gulf of Maine (or similar) I leave my engines on.  Not worth all the rigging BS and my hurting my back.




Never lost a rig, in too many to mention years,  up here in the not always tranquil New England. Mind your weather  and your painter.  And if I do lose it? Thats why I have insurance. 






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From: CnC-List  on behalf of Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:39:49 PM
To: CNC List 
Cc: Len Mitchell 
Subject: Stus-List Lifting an outboard
 


Rock, in a pinch I have used the main halyard for my 76lb 15hp 2 stoke but it’s a 2 person job then, one on the winch. A 5hp 2 stroke is easy! If you aren’t sure tie a safety rope onto the motor, they sink fast. 

Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+ 
Midland On

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Re: Stus-List Lifting an outboard

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I have the Garhauer outboard lifting arm for my 8 HP 2 cycle outboard.  Works 
great!  Using a handy Billy block n tackle off the boom is a good alternative.  
Also useful for lifting the dinghy onto the foredeck3/6 to one 
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Re: Stus-List Lifting an outboard

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I use my main halyard, with a 4:1 block and tackle (used for my Lifesling)
to hoist a 4hhp Tohatsu 4-stroke onto the dinghy from a bracket on the
stern pulpit. I have done this single handed, but it wasn't fun. Probably
not too bad with two people.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 5:01 PM rockland bazemore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm sure this has been covered many times sailors but I'm racking my brain
> on this one. With my old 3hp 2-stroke ~36lb I'd lay it on the side of my
> Pearson and then sling it over the rail onto the mount. I now have a 4hp
> 4-stroke (61lb) and a 37/40. (I know I should have gotten the 6hp) The 
> Garhauer
> radar davit
> 
> that would attach to my radar pole could be an answer but there's little
> room between the bimini and the railing and it won't arrive before we
> cruise.
> Any good techniques out there?
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Rockland Bazemore
> S/V Blue Pearl
> C&C 37/40+
> Port Washington, NY
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Re: Stus-List Lifting an outboard

[David Risch via CnC-List]

This may be blasephy, but unless I am crossing the Gulf of Maine (or similar) I 
leave my engines on.  Not worth all the rigging BS and my hurting my back.

Never lost a rig, in too many to mention years,  up here in the not always 
tranquil New England. Mind your weather  and your painter.  And if I do lose 
it? Thats why I have insurance.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


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CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:39:49 PM
To: CNC List 
Cc: Len Mitchell 
Subject: Stus-List Lifting an outboard

Rock, in a pinch I have used the main halyard for my 76lb 15hp 2 stoke but it’s 
a 2 person job then, one on the winch. A 5hp 2 stroke is easy! If you aren’t 
sure tie a safety rope onto the motor, they sink fast.
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On

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Re: Stus-List Lifting an outboard

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Hi Rockland.

Not a great idea if not in calm water, but I used to set the motor on the lip 
of the metal toerail, get in the dinghy and then carefully move it to the 
dinghy transom, but that wasn’t a 61lbs OB!

Might need a halyard, BUT the halyard will want to swing the OB to the mast.  A 
line to the stern might help control it, and after a few tries you can sort out 
the length to get to the dinghy tied up mid-ship.

This might help:  
https://www.pbo.co.uk/practical-projects/outboard-engine-hoist-19209

We’ve loaded the OB onto the dinghy in 2’ of chop with a good crane - a little 
scary with it flying around above me, but good to get it on the dinghy, and 
keep us off the rocks.  Considering how many times we have motored our big boat 
with the dinghy, the crane probably rates as essential gear. The Mercury 15 is 
heavy!

Good luck, Lee


> On Jul 29, 2020, at 5:00 43PM, rockland bazemore via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm sure this has been covered many times sailors but I'm racking my brain on 
> this one. With my old 3hp 2-stroke ~36lb I'd lay it on the side of my Pearson 
> and then sling it over the rail onto the mount. I now have a 4hp 4-stroke 
> (61lb) and a 37/40. (I know I should have gotten the 6hp) The Garhauer radar 
> davit 
> 
>  that would attach to my radar pole could be an answer but there's little 
> room between the bimini and the railing and it won't arrive before we cruise. 
> Any good techniques out there?
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> Rockland Bazemore
> S/V Blue Pearl
> C&C 37/40+
> Port Washington, NY
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Re: Stus-List Lifting an outboard

[rockland bazemore via CnC-List]

Awesome thanks for that. Totally makes sense. Len had similar suggestion.

Thanks all, gets the synapses firing again.
Rocky

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 9:40 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> During periods of longer travel, I've store my old and very heavy 80's
> vintage Evinrude OB in a cockpit locker.  Upon arrival at the destination,
> the Admiral and I hoist it out with a halyard and drop it on the dinghy
> transom.  My bimini is such that I have a clear shot at that.
>
> We lift the dinghy on/off the foredeck the same way, with a halyard.
>   --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
>>> I'm sure this has been covered many times sailors but I'm racking my
>>> brain on this one. With my old 3hp 2-stroke ~36lb I'd lay it on the side of
>>> my Pearson and then sling it over the rail onto the mount. I now have a 4hp
>>> 4-stroke (61lb) and a 37/40. (I know I should have gotten the 6hp) The 
>>> Garhauer
>>> radar davit
>>> 
>>> that would attach to my radar pole could be an answer but there's little
>>> room between the bimini and the railing and it won't arrive before we
>>> cruise.
>>> Any good techniques out there?
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rockland Bazemore
>>> S/V Blue Pearl
>>> C&C 37/40+
>>> Port Washington, NY
>>>
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Stus-List Lifting an outboard

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Rock, in a pinch I have used the main halyard for my 76lb 15hp 2 stoke but it’s 
a 2 person job then, one on the winch. A 5hp 2 stroke is easy! If you aren’t 
sure tie a safety rope onto the motor, they sink fast.  
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+ 
Midland On

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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

During periods of longer travel, I've store my old and very heavy 80's
vintage Evinrude OB in a cockpit locker.  Upon arrival at the destination,
the Admiral and I hoist it out with a halyard and drop it on the dinghy
transom.  My bimini is such that I have a clear shot at that.

We lift the dinghy on/off the foredeck the same way, with a halyard.
  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



>> I'm sure this has been covered many times sailors but I'm racking my
>> brain on this one. With my old 3hp 2-stroke ~36lb I'd lay it on the side of
>> my Pearson and then sling it over the rail onto the mount. I now have a 4hp
>> 4-stroke (61lb) and a 37/40. (I know I should have gotten the 6hp) The 
>> Garhauer
>> radar davit
>> 
>> that would attach to my radar pole could be an answer but there's little
>> room between the bimini and the railing and it won't arrive before we
>> cruise.
>> Any good techniques out there?
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> Rockland Bazemore
>> S/V Blue Pearl
>> C&C 37/40+
>> Port Washington, NY
>>
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[rockland bazemore via CnC-List]

Thanks Doug,
Maybe with a preventer to hold the boom and then hobble back through
cockpit and lift it over the rail. I’m new to the boat so I’m sure there
are plenty of secrets.
Do most of you with motors have a lifting davit of some sort?

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 9:11 PM Doug Mountjoy 
wrote:

> Can you rig a block and tackle off your boom?
>
>
>
> Doug Mountjoy
> sv Rebecca Leah
> C&C Landfall 39
> Port Orchard yacht club
>
>  Original message 
> From: rockland bazemore via CnC-List 
> Date: 7/29/20 17:00 (GMT-08:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: rockland bazemore 
> Subject: Stus-List Lifting an outboard
>
> I'm sure this has been covered many times sailors but I'm racking my brain
> on this one. With my old 3hp 2-stroke ~36lb I'd lay it on the side of my
> Pearson and then sling it over the rail onto the mount. I now have a 4hp
> 4-stroke (61lb) and a 37/40. (I know I should have gotten the 6hp) The 
> Garhauer
> radar davit
> <https://www.garhauermarine.com/transom-hardware-accessories/radar-towers-accessories/radar-tower-lifting-davit-rt-ld-short.html>
> that would attach to my radar pole could be an answer but there's little
> room between the bimini and the railing and it won't arrive before we
> cruise.
> Any good techniques out there?
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Rockland Bazemore
> S/V Blue Pearl
> C&C 37/40+
> Port Washington, NY
>
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[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

Can you rig a block and tackle off your boom?Doug Mountjoysv Rebecca Leah C&C 
Landfall 39Port Orchard yacht club
 Original message From: rockland bazemore via CnC-List 
 Date: 7/29/20  17:00  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: rockland bazemore  Subject: 
Stus-List Lifting an outboard I'm sure this has been covered many times sailors 
but I'm racking my brain on this one. With my old 3hp 2-stroke ~36lb I'd lay it 
on the side of my Pearson and then sling it over the rail onto the mount. I now 
have a 4hp 4-stroke (61lb) and a 37/40. (I know I should have gotten the 6hp) 
The Garhauer radar davit that would attach to my radar pole could be an answer 
but there's little room between the bimini and the railing and it won't arrive 
before we cruise. Any good techniques out there?Thanks!Rockland BazemoreS/V 
Blue PearlC&C 37/40+Port Washington, NY
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Stus-List Lifting an outboard

[rockland bazemore via CnC-List]

I'm sure this has been covered many times sailors but I'm racking my brain
on this one. With my old 3hp 2-stroke ~36lb I'd lay it on the side of my
Pearson and then sling it over the rail onto the mount. I now have a 4hp
4-stroke (61lb) and a 37/40. (I know I should have gotten the 6hp) The Garhauer
radar davit

that would attach to my radar pole could be an answer but there's little
room between the bimini and the railing and it won't arrive before we
cruise.
Any good techniques out there?
Thanks!



Rockland Bazemore
S/V Blue Pearl
C&C 37/40+
Port Washington, NY
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