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Mike, The traveler on most of the 35-3 is found on the cabin top. Some are on the bridge deck, but I think those are fairly rare. The cabin top location is nice, as it keeps the main out of the cockpit, but it is not ideal for managing the loads on the main sail. My pit guy manages the main and all the other halyards and strings. He stays well away from the genoa guys with their flying elbows. I would certainly not want the main in front of the wheel. Too little room for that. Jake Jake Brodersen Midnight Mistress CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Jake Where is the traveller in 35-3? Our family 36 (1981) had it on coachroof (horrible) our frersc33 and cc33-2 have on bridgedeck (marginally better). Koobalibra cc115 and prospector cc99 have immediately in front of pedestal where it should be. Mike ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Hi Brad My wife and I have owned a CC110 since 2006. We have nothing but great things to say about the boat. They are super fast, yet provide all the amenities you could desire for a holiday on the hook. We are about to list ours, but it is much too far away for you to consider (Canada); however, if you decide to purchase a 110 and need some advice from an owner, please feel free to send me a note. Cheers Wayne Wall CC110 VELOX -Original Message- From: cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 114, Issue 63 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Looking for feedback please (Bradford Baker) 2. Re: The Starship Enterprise is Back! (Joel Aronson) 3. Re: Looking for feedback please (John Pennie) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:39:19 -0400 From: Bradford Baker bradba...@mac.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Message-ID: 339ce963-a8e2-4237-9532-8fbd20b76...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you?d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that ?Mother Nature always bats last.? Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:52:22 -0400 From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back! Message-ID: cael16p-pnpm9ybjqjeyns1s9utopntsf9ayrbhjrpsjydyl...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Great! Joel On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Chuck Borge via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Great to hear! Chuck B CC 34 Elusive Somerset, MA On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, I?m happy to report that after the extensive repowering job replacing my dead Universal M-35 with a Beta Marine 30, the Starship Enterprise was launched this morning with the tide. We start racing again tonight. The order is given: Warp Speed! All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150729/2e5dd063/attachment-0001.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PastedGraphic-1.tiff Type: image/tiff Size: 32046 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150729/2e5dd063/attachment-0001.tiff -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:59:02 -0400 From: John Pennie j...@svpaws.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Message-ID: ab66d64f-c44a-4b4d-994d-fdceb70c9...@svpaws.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I have a 121 and love it. Also know the 110 very well. What are you looking to do with the boat? John Sent from my iPad On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Bradford Baker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you?d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that ?Mother Nature always bats last.? Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I have a 121 and love it. Also know the 110 very well. What are you looking to do with the boat? John Sent from my iPad On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Bradford Baker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I will echo what John has asked. What are you planning to do with the boat? I have raced weekly on a CC115 for the past 6 years and have sailed quite a bit and raced some on and against a 99 as well. Of the four models I believe these are the most commonly raced The CC 115 sails extremely well to wind but likes to have a good sized crew to run it. We like to have 11 bodies on board when we race to give adequate weight on rail and to get all the jobs done. Both the 115 and 99 have oversized spinnaker and pole but the 115 requires dip pole gybes since it has a mast end and a guy end on the pole. This requires a mast person as well as a foredeck person for gybes. The 99 can do end for end or dip pole so requires one less body. Last year in a race week 7 was an adequate crew size on a 99. The rig on the 115 is quite large. The main sheet is led to a winch on either coaming and is more work to run than that on the 99 which is I believe 6 or 8 to one with ratcheting cam cleats. The traveler on the 99 seems to work better than that on the 115 as well. Much else is the same on the two models The interiors of both the 99 and 115 are quite nice but the aft cabin in the 99 is a bit more cramped although my wife and I have slept quite comfortably in the aft cabin on a 99 more than once. If going offshore the 115 is a far bigger boat than the 99 but I cannot speak for the 110 or 121. For rigging the loads and simplicity of the 99 are very nice. Many of the adjustments such as backstay are not hydraulic and are well geared and easily adjusted. By comparison the loads on the 115 are higher making it difficult to adjust outhaul, halyard etc while hard on the wind. If you want a 99 for racing the boat named Rabbit is for sale. It is hull #1, has the original 6'6 keel, carbon rig, bow sprit, carbon wheel and custom Spartan interior. This would be the fastest CC99 in existence and there is a huge difference in performance between the 6.5 ft keel and the 5.5 version. Note that if you are concerned about going places because of a deep draft then forget the 115 which I believe is 7 ft and go for the 5.5 ft 99. Both of the newer CCs that I have regularly sailed on and raced on are very nice designs and very nice sailing boats. CC IMO really dropped the ball when they changed to only the shallower keel on the 99 as it has affected the performance noticeably but is still a very well performing boat even with the 5.5 ft keel. The shallower keel has the weight a bit aft on the 99 compared to the 6.5 ft keel making it very important to get weight forward for optimum trim. A Carbon rig 6.5 ft keel version here in Halifax is very fast and an Olson 30 that has raced against both variants of the 99 commented how much faster the deeper keel one was. You are not going to do wrong with either the 99 or the 115 but if short handed sailing a lot the smaller 99 is easier to handle. IMO CC made 4 very lovely models in these boats. Good luck with your search Oh - and the cut out transoms on all models are something I am very envious about. Swimming off the 99 is very convenient compared to climbing up the transom and over the pushpit on our Frers 33 Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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That's a wide range of boats to consider. Draft may be important to you if you are sailing in Florida. The CC 110 is available with four different keel configurations. 7.25', 6.5', 6.0' and 4.83'. The shoal draft may be a boat to consider in your area. I have a CC 110 shoal draft which actually points better than I expected. Where I sail, there isn't an option to have a deeper draft so the 110 was the perfect choice. The 99 and 121 are at opposite ends of the scale so only you will be able to determine if they have enough or too much room for you. Their layouts are very different. The 110 and 115 are very similar in size and layout. If you're moving up from a smaller boat keep in mind that loads increase exponentially. Grinding in a large genoa or raising the main on a large boat can suck the life out of you in a hurry. They are very well built boats and as expected, sail with a performance bias. What do you intend to do with the boat? How many people are you trying to accommodate and for how long? Planning on doing any racing or just fast cruising? Ted Drossos CC 110 Lady in Red Bay Shore, NY ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I have seriously considered going to Ohio to look at the CC 99 (rabbit). The prospect of owning hull #1 scares me. Didn't they have issues with hull construction at the beginning or was it just Tartan 3700s? Cheers,Aaron R.Admiral Maggie,1979 CC 30 MK1 #540Annapolis, MD To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 16:22:40 + Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: mike.h...@impgroup.com I will echo what John has asked. What are you planning to do with the boat? I have raced weekly on a CC115 for the past 6 years and have sailed quite a bit and raced some on and against a 99 as well. Of the four models I believe these are the most commonly raced The CC 115 sails extremely well to wind but likes to have a good sized crew to run it. We like to have 11 bodies on board when we race to give adequate weight on rail and to get all the jobs done. Both the 115 and 99 have oversized spinnaker and pole but the 115 requires dip pole gybes since it has a mast end and a guy end on the pole. This requires a mast person as well as a foredeck person for gybes. The 99 can do end for end or dip pole so requires one less body. Last year in a race week 7 was an adequate crew size on a 99. The rig on the 115 is quite large. The main sheet is led to a winch on either coaming and is more work to run than that on the 99 which is I believe 6 or 8 to one with ratcheting cam cleats. The traveler on the 99 seems to work better than that on the 115 as well. Much else is the same on the two models The interiors of both the 99 and 115 are quite nice but the aft cabin in the 99 is a bit more cramped although my wife and I have slept quite comfortably in the aft cabin on a 99 more than once. If going offshore the 115 is a far bigger boat than the 99 but I cannot speak for the 110 or 121. For rigging the loads and simplicity of the 99 are very nice. Many of the adjustments such as backstay are not hydraulic and are well geared and easily adjusted. By comparison the loads on the 115 are higher making it difficult to adjust outhaul, halyard etc while hard on the wind. If you want a 99 for racing the boat named Rabbit is for sale. It is hull #1, has the original 6'6 keel, carbon rig, bow sprit, carbon wheel and custom Spartan interior. This would be the fastest CC99 in existence and there is a huge difference in performance between the 6.5 ft keel and the 5.5 version. Note that if you are concerned about going places because of a deep draft then forget the 115 which I believe is 7 ft and go for the 5.5 ft 99. Both of the newer CCs that I have regularly sailed on and raced on are very nice designs and very nice sailing boats. CC IMO really dropped the ball when they changed to only the shallower keel on the 99 as it has affected the performance noticeably but is still a very well performing boat even with the 5.5 ft keel. The shallower keel has the weight a bit aft on the 99 compared to the 6.5 ft keel making it very important to get weight forward for optimum trim. A Carbon rig 6.5 ft keel version here in Halifax is very fast and an Olson 30 that has raced against both variants of the 99 commented how much faster the deeper keel one was. You are not going to do wrong with either the 99 or the 115 but if short handed sailing a lot the smaller 99 is easier to handle. IMO CC made 4 very lovely models in these boats. Good luck with your search Oh - and the cut out transoms on all models are something I am very envious about. Swimming off the 99 is very convenient compared to climbing up the transom and over the pushpit on our Frers 33 Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including
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Mike neglected to mention the 115 he races on out of Halifax, NS is also for sale (but it is a long way from Florida). Ken H. On 29 July 2015 at 13:22, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I will echo what John has asked. What are you planning to do with the boat? I have raced weekly on a CC115 for the past 6 years and have sailed quite a bit and raced some on and against a 99 as well. Of the four models I believe these are the most commonly raced The CC 115 sails extremely well to wind but likes to have a good sized crew to run it. We like to have 11 bodies on board when we race to give adequate weight on rail and to get all the jobs done. Both the 115 and 99 have oversized spinnaker and pole but the 115 requires dip pole gybes since it has a mast end and a guy end on the pole. This requires a mast person as well as a foredeck person for gybes. The 99 can do end for end or dip pole so requires one less body. Last year in a race week 7 was an adequate crew size on a 99. The rig on the 115 is quite large. The main sheet is led to a winch on either coaming and is more work to run than that on the 99 which is I believe 6 or 8 to one with ratcheting cam cleats. The traveler on the 99 seems to work better than that on the 115 as well. Much else is the same on the two models The interiors of both the 99 and 115 are quite nice but the aft cabin in the 99 is a bit more cramped although my wife and I have slept quite comfortably in the aft cabin on a 99 more than once. If going offshore the 115 is a far bigger boat than the 99 but I cannot speak for the 110 or 121. For rigging the loads and simplicity of the 99 are very nice. Many of the adjustments such as backstay are not hydraulic and are well geared and easily adjusted. By comparison the loads on the 115 are higher making it difficult to adjust outhaul, halyard etc while hard on the wind. If you want a 99 for racing the boat named Rabbit is for sale. It is hull #1, has the original 6'6 keel, carbon rig, bow sprit, carbon wheel and custom Spartan interior. This would be the fastest CC99 in existence and there is a huge difference in performance between the 6.5 ft keel and the 5.5 version. Note that if you are concerned about going places because of a deep draft then forget the 115 which I believe is 7 ft and go for the 5.5 ft 99. Both of the newer CCs that I have regularly sailed on and raced on are very nice designs and very nice sailing boats. CC IMO really dropped the ball when they changed to only the shallower keel on the 99 as it has affected the performance noticeably but is still a very well performing boat even with the 5.5 ft keel. The shallower keel has the weight a bit aft on the 99 compared to the 6.5 ft keel making it very important to get weight forward for optimum trim. A Carbon rig 6.5 ft keel version here in Halifax is very fast and an Olson 30 that has raced against both variants of the 99 commented how much faster the deeper keel one was. You are not going to do wrong with either the 99 or the 115 but if short handed sailing a lot the smaller 99 is easier to handle. IMO CC made 4 very lovely models in these boats. Good luck with your search Oh - and the cut out transoms on all models are something I am very envious about. Swimming off the 99 is very convenient compared to climbing up the transom and over the pushpit on our Frers 33 Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Mike, I have a pretty little 1986 33 II for sale that would make an excellent racing platform...hint, hint, hintwe can talk about delivering Richard 1985 CC 36 CB, Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: kenheaton kenhea...@gmail.com; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com Sent: Wed, Jul 29, 2015 2:57 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Thanks Ken For sale but not sold. As a matter of fact racing on it in 2 hours …. If Koobalibra sells then my racing gets a lot more expensive as we have to use my boat! Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS From: Ken Heaton [mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:52 PM To: cnc-list Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Mike neglected to mention the 115 he races on out of Halifax, NS is also for sale (but it is a long way from Florida). Ken H. On 29 July 2015 at 13:22, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I will echo what John has asked. What are you planning to do with the boat? I have raced weekly on a CC115 for the past 6 years and have sailed quite a bit and raced some on and against a 99 as well. Of the four models I believe these are the most commonly raced The CC 115 sails extremely well to wind but likes to have a good sized crew to run it. We like to have 11 bodies on board when we race to give adequate weight on rail and to get all the jobs done. Both the 115 and 99 have oversized spinnaker and pole but the 115 requires dip pole gybes since it has a mast end and a guy end on the pole. This requires a mast person as well as a foredeck person for gybes. The 99 can do end for end or dip pole so requires one less body. Last year in a race week 7 was an adequate crew size on a 99. The rig on the 115 is quite large. The main sheet is led to a winch on either coaming and is more work to run than that on the 99 which is I believe 6 or 8 to one with ratcheting cam cleats. The traveler on the 99 seems to work better than that on the 115 as well. Much else is the same on the two models The interiors of both the 99 and 115 are quite nice but the aft cabin in the 99 is a bit more cramped although my wife and I have slept quite comfortably in the aft cabin on a 99 more than once. If going offshore the 115 is a far bigger boat than the 99 but I cannot speak for the 110 or 121. For rigging the loads and simplicity of the 99 are very nice. Many of the adjustments such as backstay are not hydraulic and are well geared and easily adjusted. By comparison the loads on the 115 are higher making it difficult to adjust outhaul, halyard etc while hard on the wind. If you want a 99 for racing the boat named Rabbit is for sale. It is hull #1, has the original 6'6 keel, carbon rig, bow sprit, carbon wheel and custom Spartan interior. This would be the fastest CC99 in existence and there is a huge difference in performance between the 6.5 ft keel and the 5.5 version. Note that if you are concerned about going places because of a deep draft then forget the 115 which I believe is 7 ft and go for the 5.5 ft 99. Both of the newer CCs that I have regularly sailed on and raced on are very nice designs and very nice sailing boats. CC IMO really dropped the ball when they changed to only the shallower keel on the 99 as it has affected the performance noticeably but is still a very well performing boat even with the 5.5 ft keel. The shallower keel has the weight a bit aft on the 99 compared to the 6.5 ft keel making it very important to get weight forward for optimum trim. A Carbon rig 6.5 ft keel version here in Halifax is very fast and an Olson 30 that has raced against both variants of the 99 commented how much faster the deeper keel one was. You are not going to do wrong with either the 99 or the 115 but if short handed sailing a lot the smaller 99 is easier to handle. IMO CC made 4 very lovely models in these boats. Good luck with your search Oh - and the cut out transoms on all models are something I am very envious about. Swimming off the 99 is very convenient compared to climbing up the transom and over the pushpit on our Frers 33 Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291
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Hello Brad. We sailed a CC 33-II for 20 years but sold her for a CC 110 three years ago and are very delighted. Glad to answer any questions. One great source of information on the CC 110 is the CC Owners web site on sailingnetworks.com (http://www.sailingnetworks.com/login?redirect=%2Fgroups%2Fforum%2Flist%3Fgroup%3D526). Note the 110 has many variants; 4 keels, 3 masts and with a symmetrical or asymmetrical spinnaker set up as well as early (mid 2002 and before) boats were vinylester resin and after that, epoxy based. Tartan Marine, who made the 110, is still supporting it and has been very responsive to questions. With any saildrive engine boats, one key question is if the saildrive rubber seal at the drive leg/hull joint has been replaced. (Volvo recommends every 7 years though most seem to be going much longer...) Bob McLaughlin 2003 CC 110 Blue Devil -Original Message- From: Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 10:39 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I'll miss seeing her around if she sells. We're pretty used to having her (and Dave) in the Bras d'or Lakes in the summer. Its a tradition by now. Ken H. On 29 July 2015 at 15:56, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Thanks Ken For sale but not sold. As a matter of fact racing on it in 2 hours …. If Koobalibra sells then my racing gets a lot more expensive as we have to use my boat! Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS *From:* Ken Heaton [mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:52 PM *To:* cnc-list *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Mike neglected to mention the 115 he races on out of Halifax, NS is also for sale (but it is a long way from Florida). Ken H. On 29 July 2015 at 13:22, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I will echo what John has asked. What are you planning to do with the boat? I have raced weekly on a CC115 for the past 6 years and have sailed quite a bit and raced some on and against a 99 as well. Of the four models I believe these are the most commonly raced The CC 115 sails extremely well to wind but likes to have a good sized crew to run it. We like to have 11 bodies on board when we race to give adequate weight on rail and to get all the jobs done. Both the 115 and 99 have oversized spinnaker and pole but the 115 requires dip pole gybes since it has a mast end and a guy end on the pole. This requires a mast person as well as a foredeck person for gybes. The 99 can do end for end or dip pole so requires one less body. Last year in a race week 7 was an adequate crew size on a 99. The rig on the 115 is quite large. The main sheet is led to a winch on either coaming and is more work to run than that on the 99 which is I believe 6 or 8 to one with ratcheting cam cleats. The traveler on the 99 seems to work better than that on the 115 as well. Much else is the same on the two models The interiors of both the 99 and 115 are quite nice but the aft cabin in the 99 is a bit more cramped although my wife and I have slept quite comfortably in the aft cabin on a 99 more than once. If going offshore the 115 is a far bigger boat than the 99 but I cannot speak for the 110 or 121. For rigging the loads and simplicity of the 99 are very nice. Many of the adjustments such as backstay are not hydraulic and are well geared and easily adjusted. By comparison the loads on the 115 are higher making it difficult to adjust outhaul, halyard etc while hard on the wind. If you want a 99 for racing the boat named Rabbit is for sale. It is hull #1, has the original 6'6 keel, carbon rig, bow sprit, carbon wheel and custom Spartan interior. This would be the fastest CC99 in existence and there is a huge difference in performance between the 6.5 ft keel and the 5.5 version. Note that if you are concerned about going places because of a deep draft then forget the 115 which I believe is 7 ft and go for the 5.5 ft 99. Both of the newer CCs that I have regularly sailed on and raced on are very nice designs and very nice sailing boats. CC IMO really dropped the ball when they changed to only the shallower keel on the 99 as it has affected the performance noticeably but is still a very well performing boat even with the 5.5 ft keel. The shallower keel has the weight a bit aft on the 99 compared to the 6.5 ft keel making it very important to get weight forward for optimum trim. A Carbon rig 6.5 ft keel version here in Halifax is very fast and an Olson 30 that has raced against both variants of the 99 commented how much faster the deeper keel one was. You are not going to do wrong with either the 99 or the 115 but if short handed sailing a lot the smaller 99 is easier to handle. IMO CC made 4 very lovely models in these boats. Good luck with your search Oh - and the cut out transoms on all models are something I am very envious about. Swimming off the 99 is very convenient compared to climbing up the transom and over the pushpit on our Frers 33 Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Thanks Ken For sale but not sold. As a matter of fact racing on it in 2 hours …. If Koobalibra sells then my racing gets a lot more expensive as we have to use my boat! Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS From: Ken Heaton [mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:52 PM To: cnc-list Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Mike neglected to mention the 115 he races on out of Halifax, NS is also for sale (but it is a long way from Florida). Ken H. On 29 July 2015 at 13:22, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I will echo what John has asked. What are you planning to do with the boat? I have raced weekly on a CC115 for the past 6 years and have sailed quite a bit and raced some on and against a 99 as well. Of the four models I believe these are the most commonly raced The CC 115 sails extremely well to wind but likes to have a good sized crew to run it. We like to have 11 bodies on board when we race to give adequate weight on rail and to get all the jobs done. Both the 115 and 99 have oversized spinnaker and pole but the 115 requires dip pole gybes since it has a mast end and a guy end on the pole. This requires a mast person as well as a foredeck person for gybes. The 99 can do end for end or dip pole so requires one less body. Last year in a race week 7 was an adequate crew size on a 99. The rig on the 115 is quite large. The main sheet is led to a winch on either coaming and is more work to run than that on the 99 which is I believe 6 or 8 to one with ratcheting cam cleats. The traveler on the 99 seems to work better than that on the 115 as well. Much else is the same on the two models The interiors of both the 99 and 115 are quite nice but the aft cabin in the 99 is a bit more cramped although my wife and I have slept quite comfortably in the aft cabin on a 99 more than once. If going offshore the 115 is a far bigger boat than the 99 but I cannot speak for the 110 or 121. For rigging the loads and simplicity of the 99 are very nice. Many of the adjustments such as backstay are not hydraulic and are well geared and easily adjusted. By comparison the loads on the 115 are higher making it difficult to adjust outhaul, halyard etc while hard on the wind. If you want a 99 for racing the boat named Rabbit is for sale. It is hull #1, has the original 6'6 keel, carbon rig, bow sprit, carbon wheel and custom Spartan interior. This would be the fastest CC99 in existence and there is a huge difference in performance between the 6.5 ft keel and the 5.5 version. Note that if you are concerned about going places because of a deep draft then forget the 115 which I believe is 7 ft and go for the 5.5 ft 99. Both of the newer CCs that I have regularly sailed on and raced on are very nice designs and very nice sailing boats. CC IMO really dropped the ball when they changed to only the shallower keel on the 99 as it has affected the performance noticeably but is still a very well performing boat even with the 5.5 ft keel. The shallower keel has the weight a bit aft on the 99 compared to the 6.5 ft keel making it very important to get weight forward for optimum trim. A Carbon rig 6.5 ft keel version here in Halifax is very fast and an Olson 30 that has raced against both variants of the 99 commented how much faster the deeper keel one was. You are not going to do wrong with either the 99 or the 115 but if short handed sailing a lot the smaller 99 is easier to handle. IMO CC made 4 very lovely models in these boats. Good luck with your search Oh - and the cut out transoms on all models are something I am very envious about. Swimming off the 99 is very convenient compared to climbing up the transom and over the pushpit on our Frers 33 Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.commailto:bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291tel:813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page
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Bradford, I've raced on a CC 99 (hull #6). While the boat can sail to its rating, I found the experience far less satisfying that sailing on my own 35-III. The steering throw is very short and rubbery feeling. Getting feedback through the wheel was very difficult if not impossible. The mainsheet setup and traveler in the cockpit makes racing difficult. The cockpit is full of people trying to work in close proximity. Not ideal for racing, but maybe not an issue for cruising. Hull #6 has had issues with cracks it the forward section of the hull, as well as a chainplate that pulled out of the deck. CC stepped in and made repairs, but I somehow think the early hulls were built to sail fast and not necessarily to last a long time. I've been on the 110 and much prefer the layout. Can't say much about the sailing performance, but the layout is much better. Jake Jake Brodersen “Midnight Mistress” CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:39 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Jake Where is the traveller in 35-3? Our family 36 (1981) had it on coachroof (horrible) our frersc33 and cc33-2 have on bridgedeck (marginally better). Koobalibra cc115 and prospector cc99 have immediately in front of pedestal where it should be. Mike From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Jake Brodersen via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 29, 2015 9:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jake Brodersen Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Bradford, I've raced on a CC 99 (hull #6). While the boat can sail to its rating, I found the experience far less satisfying that sailing on my own 35-III. The steering throw is very short and rubbery feeling. Getting feedback through the wheel was very difficult if not impossible. The mainsheet setup and traveler in the cockpit makes racing difficult. The cockpit is full of people trying to work in close proximity. Not ideal for racing, but maybe not an issue for cruising. Hull #6 has had issues with cracks it the forward section of the hull, as well as a chainplate that pulled out of the deck. CC stepped in and made repairs, but I somehow think the early hulls were built to sail fast and not necessarily to last a long time. I've been on the 110 and much prefer the layout. Can't say much about the sailing performance, but the layout is much better. Jake Jake Brodersen “Midnight Mistress” CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:39 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
