Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The 3GM engine would indicate the boat’s original engine was replaced and the 
monel fuel tank is a very good thing.
I would not buy a car, airplane, or boat sight-unseen myself, but too late now. 
I hope this works out – the 35s (all versions) are nice boats!
Joe Della Barba
C 35 MK I
Coquina
www.dellabarba.com

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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 6:46 PM
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Cc: Rino Granito
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Good day..

It has a 3GM Indirect cooling from what I can tell and a Monel fuel tank... 
again I need to validate this..  Now for the kicker, and please no flaming :(  
I made an offer based on a discussion and photos , I did not see in person the 
boat yet..  We already had been on a few 35Mk2 before and loved this boat..  So 
when we saw a nice 3gm , new running and standing rigging, we jumped.. and 
pulled the tricker..

Thanks,



On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 18:31 +, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
What engine does the boat have?
An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now and most of 
them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by Westebeake from MG 
Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it made a nice little engine but 
parts are almost impossible to get now.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Dave Syer
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Rino,


Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around many 
boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed.To be fair, 
most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to look for in 
each model.
That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know the boats 
and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one - a dutch name escapes 
me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)

FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port Credit, Nick 
Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors who they felt knew C 
boats.  No affiliation or relationship etc...

have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the boat. i.e. 
Bill Provis, 416-801-5527; Peter McGuire 
416-809-2186; or Wallace Gouk 416-526-3845

That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as well.lift 
the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers (whatever they're called in a 
plastic boat)

One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the opportunity to put 
the boat through its paces in the water, under power.

Good Luck!

Dave  - 1985 33ii





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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
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Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives,
like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false
negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

I would not be too worried about buying without seeing the boat however it is 
not really necessary.  This list gives each of us a lot of contacts all over 
North America in particular.  Even one in Mexico!

When we purchased Persistence we made an offer that was subject to survey.  The 
offer was made one hour after I found out the boat was for sale and after a 
referral by a friend and one conversation on the phone with the owner.  This 
made the survey very important.  At the same time fellow lister Harry Hallgring 
visited the boat for an up close look on my behalf.  Harry confirmed that there 
was nothing that would be nasty but a survey would not point out (odor, etc) 
and also confirmed an overall impression of the boat.  Knowing all the work 
Harry has done on his current boat and on his J27 before that it really gave me 
a great confidence in the boat and in the deal

Use the list.  It is an amazing resource.

Mike

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Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 8:25 AM
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Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

The 3GM engine would indicate the boat’s original engine was replaced and the 
monel fuel tank is a very good thing.
I would not buy a car, airplane, or boat sight-unseen myself, but too late now. 
I hope this works out – the 35s (all versions) are nice boats!
Joe Della Barba
C 35 MK I
Coquina
www.dellabarba.com<http://www.dellabarba.com>

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Cc: Rino Granito
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Good day..

It has a 3GM Indirect cooling from what I can tell and a Monel fuel tank... 
again I need to validate this..  Now for the kicker, and please no flaming :(  
I made an offer based on a discussion and photos , I did not see in person the 
boat yet..  We already had been on a few 35Mk2 before and loved this boat..  So 
when we saw a nice 3gm , new running and standing rigging, we jumped.. and 
pulled the tricker..

Thanks,
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

An A4 does not a dealbreaker make.

I looked at the issue of A4 vs Diesel this way:

30 year old diesel or 30 old gasser.
The boats with the 30 year old diesel had about on average, a 5k markup
over their A4 brethren.

A 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor.

Gas or diesel, you're looking at replacement or rebuild in not too much
time. All kinds of things can be wrong with either. Choose one that's been
well maintained (gas OR diesel).

A4 parts are still very available and they are easy to work on. I know gas
engines, sort of, I don't know diesel at all having never wrenched on one.
At the end of the day it's a SAILboat. Do you want to be a mechanic? You
might need to be, because  30 year old motor. Mine is actually 35 years
old now.

My boat was a good deal, the 1980 A4 in there was in about as good
condition as one could want. Being a freshwater boat all her life, RWC
wasn't an issue for me and it still isn't. If she had a diesel she would
have cost me another 5k. Again, to my mind, there's no value there.

I kind of love my A4. It's quiet! and it always works. On the odd time that
it doesn't, it's an easy fix: points, last time. Half an hour of digging
around the boat for the parts and install.

Oh yeah, and I picked up a whole spare "working pull" A4 for $300 bones.
It's taking up space in my garage. One day, when I'm retired, in like 50
years, maybe I'll have time to rebuild it.

If you're really paranoid there's the issue of gasoline on the boat. i
sniff test the bilge before firing her up. That's worth 5k to me. Oh, and I
keep the motor happy with clean fuel, fresh fuel lines and filters, etc.

Cheers,
Steve


On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What engine does the boat have?
>
> An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now and
> most of them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by Westebeake
> from MG Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it made a nice little
> engine but parts are almost impossible to get now.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
> Syer via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Dave Syer
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>
>
>
> Rino,
>
>
>
>
>
> Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around
> many boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed.To
> be fair, most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to
> look for in each model.
>
> That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know the
> boats and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one - a dutch
> name escapes me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)
>
>
>
> FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port Credit,
> Nick Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors who they felt
> knew C boats.  No affiliation or relationship etc...
>
>
>
> *have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the boat.
> i.e. Bill Provis, **416-801-5527* <416-801-5527>*; Peter McGuire *
> *416-809-2186* <416-809-2186>*; or Wallace Gouk **416-526-3845*
> <416-526-3845>
>
>
>
> That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as
> well.lift the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers (whatever
> they're called in a plastic boat)
>
>
>
> One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the opportunity to
> put the boat through its paces in the water, under power.
>
>
>
> Good Luck!
>
>
>
> Dave  - 1985 33ii
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
> From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
> He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
> the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
> He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
> you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
> by sharing it.
>
> I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
> Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
> t

Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I was not suggesting an A4 was a bad thing – the old diesel would have no parts 
or support at all and the A4 is very well supported.
Just that if the engine – of ANY kind – is RWC and the boat was used in salt 
water to keep in mind that is a long time for an engine to last in salt. My 
original A4 died from corrosion and I have added a heat exchanger to my new A4 
so I don’t have to swap it again.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I FWC A4 powered

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 3:30 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

An A4 does not a dealbreaker make.

I looked at the issue of A4 vs Diesel this way:

30 year old diesel or 30 old gasser.
The boats with the 30 year old diesel had about on average, a 5k markup over 
their A4 brethren.

A 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor.

Gas or diesel, you're looking at replacement or rebuild in not too much time. 
All kinds of things can be wrong with either. Choose one that's been well 
maintained (gas OR diesel).

A4 parts are still very available and they are easy to work on. I know gas 
engines, sort of, I don't know diesel at all having never wrenched on one. At 
the end of the day it's a SAILboat. Do you want to be a mechanic? You might 
need to be, because  30 year old motor. Mine is actually 35 years old now.

My boat was a good deal, the 1980 A4 in there was in about as good condition as 
one could want. Being a freshwater boat all her life, RWC wasn't an issue for 
me and it still isn't. If she had a diesel she would have cost me another 5k. 
Again, to my mind, there's no value there.

I kind of love my A4. It's quiet! and it always works. On the odd time that it 
doesn't, it's an easy fix: points, last time. Half an hour of digging around 
the boat for the parts and install.

Oh yeah, and I picked up a whole spare "working pull" A4 for $300 bones. It's 
taking up space in my garage. One day, when I'm retired, in like 50 years, 
maybe I'll have time to rebuild it.

If you're really paranoid there's the issue of gasoline on the boat. i sniff 
test the bilge before firing her up. That's worth 5k to me. Oh, and I keep the 
motor happy with clean fuel, fresh fuel lines and filters, etc.

Cheers,
Steve


On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
What engine does the boat have?
An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now and most of 
them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by Westebeake from MG 
Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it made a nice little engine but 
parts are almost impossible to get now.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List 
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Behalf Of Dave Syer via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Dave Syer

Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Rino,


Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around many 
boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed.To be fair, 
most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to look for in 
each model.
That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know the boats 
and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one - a dutch name escapes 
me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)

FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port Credit, Nick 
Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors who they felt knew C 
boats.  No affiliation or relationship etc...

have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the boat. i.e. 
Bill Provis, 416-801-5527; Peter McGuire 
416-809-2186; or Wallace Gouk 416-526-3845

That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as well.lift 
the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers (whatever they're called in a 
plastic boat)

One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the opportunity to put 
the boat through its paces in the water, under power.

Good Luck!

Dave  - 1985 33ii





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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
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Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
the value of surveys in general. He didn't 

Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Are you using a broker?  Did you exchange money?  Did you sign a contract?

A typical brokered deal will follow an AYBA flowpath.  The "deal" would be
signing a contract and putting 10% down (held in escrow).  This earns you a
contracted amount of time (usually 30 days) to get a survey and a loan and
insurance before closing the deal.  Almost anything will allow you to back
out of the contract and get your money back in full.  Basically the
contract locks in your price and prevents the seller from selling it out
from under you.

Survey, haul + launch, and captains fees are all negotiable in the original
contract but are usually paid for by the buyer.

Before closing, the price and other repairs are still negotiable based on
the findings of the survey.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Rino Granito via CnC-List]

I would add that a 30 year old diesel that is well taken of, and is
operated within its parameteres is virtually indestructable..  But run
a diesel cold,  forget to change oil, put in the wrong oil..  and you
have a dead weight within 10 years..  AAn Atomic 4 is a great engine,
its very forgiving, can run rather well in harsh environments and wears
well if not runned for long periods or idled for longer periods.  If
doing fresh water coastal work the gasser is an exccellent choice ,
except for gasoline fumes, so please make sure your exhaust system is
spark free and working very well.. 
On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 15:30 -0500, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
> An A4 does not a dealbreaker make. 
> 
> I looked at the issue of A4 vs Diesel this way:
> 
> 30 year old diesel or 30 old gasser.
> The boats with the 30 year old diesel had about on average, a 5k
> markup over their A4 brethren. 
> 
> A 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor. 
> 
> Gas or diesel, you're looking at replacement or rebuild in not too
> much time. All kinds of things can be wrong with either. Choose one
> that's been well maintained (gas OR diesel).
> 
> A4 parts are still very available and they are easy to work on. I
> know gas engines, sort of, I don't know diesel at all having never
> wrenched on one. At the end of the day it's a SAILboat. Do you want
> to be a mechanic? You might need to be, because  30 year old
> motor. Mine is actually 35 years old now.
> 
> My boat was a good deal, the 1980 A4 in there was in about as good
> condition as one could want. Being a freshwater boat all her life,
> RWC wasn't an issue for me and it still isn't. If she had a diesel
> she would have cost me another 5k. Again, to my mind, there's no
> value there.
> 
> I kind of love my A4. It's quiet! and it always works. On the odd
> time that it doesn't, it's an easy fix: points, last time. Half an
> hour of digging around the boat for the parts and install. 
> 
> Oh yeah, and I picked up a whole spare "working pull" A4 for $300
> bones. It's taking up space in my garage. One day, when I'm retired,
> in like 50 years, maybe I'll have time to rebuild it. 
> 
> If you're really paranoid there's the issue of gasoline on the boat.
> i sniff test the bilge before firing her up. That's worth 5k to me.
> Oh, and I keep the motor happy with clean fuel, fresh fuel lines and
> filters, etc. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> > What engine does the boat have?
> > An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now
> > and most of them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by
> > Westebeake from MG Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it
> > made a nice little engine but parts are almost impossible to get
> > now.
> > Joe
> > Coquina
> > C 35 MK I
> >  
> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> > Dave Syer via CnC-List
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Cc: Dave Syer
> > 
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
> >  
> > Rino,
> >  
> >  
> > Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling
> > around many boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial
> > indeed.To be fair, most surveyors cannot realistically know the
> > specific issues to look for in each model.  
> > That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors
> > know the boats and a few actually worked for C over the years.  
> > (one - a dutch name escapes me, but a good guy and he's down your
> > way.)
> >  
> > FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port
> > Credit, Nick Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors
> > who they felt knew C boats.  No affiliation or relationship
> > etc...
> >  
> > have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the
> > boat. i.e. Bill Provis, 416-801-5527; Peter McGuire 416-809-2186;
> > or Wallace Gouk 416-526-3845
> >  
> > That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as
> > well.lift the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers
> > (whatever they're called in a plastic boat)
> >  
> > One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the
> > opportunity to put the boat through its paces in the water, under
> > power.  
> >  
> > Good Luck!
> >  
> > Dave  - 1985 33ii
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Message: 5
> >

Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I could survey a MK I at least better than most professionals IMHO just because 
I have fixed everything that breaks twice now!
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned the 
value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know. He did a 
good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if you want a 
sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and Nigel 
Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion that you 
have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little beyond me. 
There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of those before 
spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives, like backing 
plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false negatives. If there's 
moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but perhaps a 
bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
Email me privately if you want more details.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Rino Granito via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
> Ontario area ??
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> ./r
>
> On Sun, 2016-01-31 at 15:10 -0500, Rino Granito via CnC-List wrote:
> > Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> > in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
> >
> >
> > Thanks..
> >
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives,
like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false
negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but
> perhaps a bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
> Email me privately if you want more details.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>  Rino Granito via CnC-List  wrote:
> > The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> > know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
> > Ontario area ??
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > ./r
> >
> > On Sun, 2016-01-31 at 15:10 -0500, Rino Granito via CnC-List wrote:
> > > Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> > > in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks..
> > >
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

I would second Peter , and while I agree with Steve’s “He didn’t tell me 
anything I didn’t know” (I’m guessing in reference to an insurance survey after 
owning the boat for a period of time) , when it comes to the initial purchase , 
I’d prefer to go with the “Pro” and attend if possible.

IMHO

Tim
C 33MKii
Matico

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned the 
value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know. He did a 
good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if you want a 
sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and Nigel 
Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion that you 
have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little beyond me. 
There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of those before 
spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives, like backing 
plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false negatives. If there's 
moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List 
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I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but perhaps a 
bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
Email me privately if you want more details.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Rino Granito via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
> Ontario area ??
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> ./r
>
> On Sun, 2016-01-31 at 15:10 -0500, Rino Granito via CnC-List wrote:
> > Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> > in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
> >
> >
> > Thanks..
> >
> > ___
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

For *insurance* surveys, you want the blind guy that does the survey from the 
dock.
For pre-purchase, you want the guy that wriggles in behind the engine with a 
light and a mirror.
Joe
Coquina

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via CnC-List
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tim Sippel
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

I would second Peter , and while I agree with Steve’s “He didn’t tell me 
anything I didn’t know” (I’m guessing in reference to an insurance survey after 
owning the boat for a period of time) , when it comes to the initial purchase , 
I’d prefer to go with the “Pro” and attend if possible.

IMHO

Tim
C 33MKii
Matico

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Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned the 
value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know. He did a 
good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if you want a 
sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and Nigel 
Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion that you 
have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little beyond me. 
There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of those before 
spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives, like backing 
plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false negatives. If there's 
moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List 
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I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but perhaps a 
bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
Email me privately if you want more details.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Rino Granito via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
> Ontario area ??
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> ./r
>
> On Sun, 2016-01-31 at 15:10 -0500, Rino Granito via CnC-List wrote:
> > Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> > in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
> >
> >
> > Thanks..
> >
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Regardless of the surveyor that you choose, you may want to read and fully
understand his disclaimers in his contract before you use him or her.

Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY - C 39 TM
US12788
Savannah, GA



On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> For **insurance** surveys, you want the blind guy that does the survey
> from the dock.
>
> For pre-purchase, you want the guy that wriggles in behind the engine with
> a light and a mirror.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim
> Sippel via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:34 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Tim Sippel
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>
>
>
> I would second Peter , and while I agree with Steve’s “He didn’t tell me
> anything I didn’t know” (I’m guessing in reference to an insurance survey
> after owning the boat for a period of time) , when it comes to the initial
> purchase , I’d prefer to go with the “Pro” and attend if possible.
>
>
>
> IMHO
>
>
>
> *Tim *
>
> *C 33MKii*
>
> *Matico*
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Stevan Plavsa
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>
>
>
> Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
>
> He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
> the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
> He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
> you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
> by sharing it.
>
>
>
> I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
> Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
> that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
> beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
> those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives,
> like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false
> negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> Suhana, C 32
>
> Toronto
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but
> perhaps a bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
> Email me privately if you want more details.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>
>  Rino Granito via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> > The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> > know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
> > Ontario area ??
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > ./r
> >
> > On Sun, 2016-01-31 at 15:10 -0500, Rino Granito via CnC-List wrote:
> > > Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> > > in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks..
> > >
> > > ___
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Rino Granito via CnC-List]

Good day..
It has a 3GM Indirect cooling from what I can tell and a Monel fuel
tank... again I need to validate this..  Now for the kicker, and please
no flaming :(  I made an offer based on a discussion and photos , I did
not see in person the boat yet..  We already had been on a few 35Mk2
before and loved this boat..  So when we saw a nice 3gm , new running
and standing rigging, we jumped.. and pulled the tricker..
Thanks,
On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 18:31 +, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
> What engine does the boat have?
> An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now
> and most of them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by
> Westebeake from MG Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it
> made a nice little engine but parts are almost impossible to get now.
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> Dave Syer via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Dave Syer
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>  
> Rino,
>  
>  
> Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling
> around many boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial
> indeed.To be fair, most surveyors cannot realistically know the
> specific issues to look for in each model.  
> That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know
> the boats and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one -
> a dutch name escapes me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)
>  
> FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port
> Credit, Nick Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors
> who they felt knew C boats.  No affiliation or relationship etc...
>  
> have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the
> boat. i.e. Bill Provis, 416-801-5527; Peter McGuire 416-809-2186; or
> Wallace Gouk 416-526-3845
>  
> That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as
> well.lift the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers
> (whatever they're called in a plastic boat)
>  
> One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the
> opportunity to put the boat through its paces in the water, under
> power.  
>  
> Good Luck!
>  
> Dave  - 1985 33ii
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
> From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
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> 
> Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
> He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've
> questioned
> the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't
> know.
> He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my
> survey if
> you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any
> agreement
> by sharing it.
> 
> I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey
> and
> Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The
> notion
> that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a
> little
> beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one
> of
> those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false
> positives,
> like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get
> false
> negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Echo Steve's comments. Firefly's A4 is 40 years old. Still reliable as hell. 
Marvel Mystery Oil gets some of the credit  Mid-range fuel is better now that 
there's no lead..

-Original Message-
From: "Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: ‎2016-‎02-‎03 3:32 PM
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: "Stevan Plavsa" <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

An A4 does not a dealbreaker make. 


I looked at the issue of A4 vs Diesel this way:


30 year old diesel or 30 old gasser.
The boats with the 30 year old diesel had about on average, a 5k markup over 
their A4 brethren. 


A 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor. 


Gas or diesel, you're looking at replacement or rebuild in not too much time. 
All kinds of things can be wrong with either. Choose one that's been well 
maintained (gas OR diesel).


A4 parts are still very available and they are easy to work on. I know gas 
engines, sort of, I don't know diesel at all having never wrenched on one. At 
the end of the day it's a SAILboat. Do you want to be a mechanic? You might 
need to be, because  30 year old motor. Mine is actually 35 years old now.


My boat was a good deal, the 1980 A4 in there was in about as good condition as 
one could want. Being a freshwater boat all her life, RWC wasn't an issue for 
me and it still isn't. If she had a diesel she would have cost me another 5k. 
Again, to my mind, there's no value there.


I kind of love my A4. It's quiet! and it always works. On the odd time that it 
doesn't, it's an easy fix: points, last time. Half an hour of digging around 
the boat for the parts and install. 


Oh yeah, and I picked up a whole spare "working pull" A4 for $300 bones. It's 
taking up space in my garage. One day, when I'm retired, in like 50 years, 
maybe I'll have time to rebuild it. 


If you're really paranoid there's the issue of gasoline on the boat. i sniff 
test the bilge before firing her up. That's worth 5k to me. Oh, and I keep the 
motor happy with clean fuel, fresh fuel lines and filters, etc. 


Cheers,
Steve




On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

What engine does the boat have?
An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now and most of 
them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by Westebeake from MG 
Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it made a nice little engine but 
parts are almost impossible to get now.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Syer 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Syer

Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
 
Rino,
 
 
Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around many 
boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed.To be fair, 
most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to look for in 
each model.   
That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know the boats 
and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one - a dutch name escapes 
me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)
 
FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port Credit, Nick 
Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors who they felt knew C 
boats.  No affiliation or relationship etc...
 
have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the boat. i.e. 
Bill Provis, 416-801-5527; Peter McGuire 416-809-2186; or Wallace Gouk 
416-526-3845
 
That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as well.lift 
the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers (whatever they're called in a 
plastic boat)
 
One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the opportunity to put 
the boat through its paces in the water, under power.   
 
Good Luck!
 
Dave  - 1985 33ii
 
 
 
 
 
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
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Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a li

Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I used Gert Tiel...not much detail but I knew Alera was my boat when 
I saw it and just needed something for the valuation re 
insurance.  Besides, who better to survey a C?


Tom B


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


At 08:48 AM 2/3/2016, you wrote:

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:32:19 +
From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
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I could survey a MK I at least better than most professionals IMHO 
just because I have fixed everything that breaks twice now!

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've 
questioned the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me 
anything I didn't know. He did a good job but stayed within his 
scope. I can send you my survey if you want a sample of the work. I 
don't believe I'm breaking any agreement by sharing it.


I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey 
and Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. 
The notion that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture 
meter is a little beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn 
about a boat with one of those before spending $600 on a survey. 
Sure, you can get false positives, like backing plates registering 
as moisture .. but you won't get false negatives. If there's 
moisture, it'll find it.


Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, 
but perhaps a bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .

Email me privately if you want more details.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Rino Granito via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


> The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
 ...snip...
> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to 
the bottom of page at:

> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com


Message: 7
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:34:01 +
From: Tim Sippel <tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
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I would second Peter , and while I agree with Steve?s ?He didn?t 
tell me anything I didn?t know? (I?m guessing in reference to an 
insurance survey after owning the boat for a period of time) , when 
it comes to the initial purchase , I?d prefer to go with the ?Pro? 
and attend if possible.


IMHO

Tim
C 33MKii
Matico

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've 
questioned the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me 
anything I didn't know. He did a good job but stayed within his 
scope. I can send you my survey if you want a sample of the work. I 
don't believe I'm breaking any agreement by sharing it.


I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey 
and Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. 
The notion that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture 
meter is a little beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn 
about a boat with one of those before spending $600 on a survey. 
Sure, you can get false positives, like backing plates registering 
as moisture .. but you won't get false negatives. If there's 
moisture, it'll find it.


Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, 
but perhaps a bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .

Email me privately if you want more details.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON
___

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CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To ch

Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Most surveys (pre-purchase and pre-insurance) don't include the rig or the
engine.  Both can cause significant costs and risks.  Each survey is in
addition to the basic for about $300 each.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Feb 2, 2016 7:07 PM, "Rino Granito via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
> Ontario area ??
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> ./r
>
> On Sun, 2016-01-31 at 15:10 -0500, Rino Granito via CnC-List wrote:
> > Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> > in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
> >
> >
> > Thanks..
> >
> > ___
> >
> > Email address:
> > CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the
> > bottom of page at:
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> >
>
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>
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have had a couple of insurance surveys. If we did a pre-purchase back in 1977 
I cannot find it.
I had to fight with the insurance surveyors about things related to water/gas 
tight engine spaces that did not exist in 1973, but other than that no big 
deal. They also really don’t like CNG unless installed just like propane, which 
is backwards because CNG is lighter than air.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 12:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

I only ever had one survey and it was the pre-purchase.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I used Gert Tiel...not much detail but I knew Alera was my boat when I saw it 
and just needed something for the valuation re insurance.  Besides, who better 
to survey a C?

Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200<tel:%28206%29%20463-9200>
www.sv-alera.com


<http://www.sv-alera.com/>At 08:48 AM 2/3/2016, you wrote:
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:32:19 +
From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
<joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov<mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>'" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
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I could survey a MK I at least better than most professionals IMHO just because 
I have fixed everything that breaks twice now!
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned the 
value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know. He did a 
good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if you want a 
sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and Nigel 
Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion that you 
have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little beyond me. 
There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of those before 
spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives, like backing 
plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false negatives. If there's 
moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com><mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>>
 wrote:
I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but perhaps a 
bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
Email me privately if you want more details.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Rino Granito via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>< 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

> The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
 ...snip...
> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom 
> of page at:
> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com


Message: 7
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:34:01 +
From: Tim Sippel <tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com<mailto:tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com>>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
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I would second Peter , and while I agree with Steve?s ?He didn?t tell me 
anything I didn?t know? (I?m guessing in reference to an insurance survey after 
owning the boat for a period of time) , when it comes to the initial purchase , 
I?d prefer to go with the ?Pro? and attend if possible.

IMHO

Tim
C 33MKii
Matico

From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC

Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I only ever had one survey and it was the pre-purchase.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I used Gert Tiel...not much detail but I knew Alera was my boat when I saw
> it and just needed something for the valuation re insurance.  Besides, who
> better to survey a C?
>
> Tom B
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>
>
> At 08:48 AM 2/3/2016, you wrote:
>
> --
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:32:19 +
> From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
> To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
> Message-ID:
>  <39506b530a0a40bb8d92428e92f33...@nsc-dag3-06.ba.ad.ssa.gov>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I could survey a MK I at least better than most professionals IMHO just
> because I have fixed everything that breaks twice now!
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>
>
> From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Stevan Plavsa
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>
> Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
> He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
> the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
> He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
> you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
> by sharing it.
>
> I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
> Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
> that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
> beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
> those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives,
> like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false
> negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but
> perhaps a bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
> Email me privately if you want more details.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>  Rino Granito via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>> wrote:
>
> > The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> > know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
>  ...snip...
> > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the
> bottom of page at:
> > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
>
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:34:01 +
> From: Tim Sippel <tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com>
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
> Message-ID:
>  <
> blupr04mb691e87a8f3e9b25539c073bb0...@blupr04mb691.namprd04.prod.outlook.com
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I would second Peter , and while I agree with Steve?s ?He didn?t tell me
> anything I didn?t know? (I?m guessing in reference to an insurance survey
> after owning the boat for a period of time) , when it comes to the initial
> purchase , I?d prefer to go with the ?Pro? and attend if possible.
>
> IMHO
>
> Tim
> C 33MKii
> Matico
>
> From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Stevan Plavsa
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>
> Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
> He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
> the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
> He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
> you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
> by sharing it.
>
> I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
> Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that 

Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Dave Syer via CnC-List]

Rino,


Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around
many boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed.To
be fair, most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to
look for in each model.
That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know the
boats and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one - a dutch
name escapes me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)

FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port Credit,
Nick Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors who they felt
knew C boats.  No affiliation or relationship etc...

*have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the boat.
i.e. Bill Provis, **416-801-5527* <416-801-5527>*; Peter McGuire *
*416-809-2186* <416-809-2186>*; or Wallace Gouk **416-526-3845*
<416-526-3845>

That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as
well.lift the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers (whatever
they're called in a plastic boat)

One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the opportunity to
put the boat through its paces in the water, under power.

Good Luck!

Dave  - 1985 33ii





Message: 5
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives,
like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false
negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto
___

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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

What engine does the boat have?
An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now and most of 
them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by Westebeake from MG 
Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it made a nice little engine but 
parts are almost impossible to get now.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Syer 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Syer
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Rino,


Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around many 
boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed.To be fair, 
most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to look for in 
each model.
That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know the boats 
and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one - a dutch name escapes 
me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)

FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port Credit, Nick 
Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors who they felt knew C 
boats.  No affiliation or relationship etc...

have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the boat. i.e. 
Bill Provis, 416-801-5527; Peter McGuire 
416-809-2186; or Wallace Gouk 416-526-3845

That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as well.lift 
the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers (whatever they're called in a 
plastic boat)

One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the opportunity to put 
the boat through its paces in the water, under power.

Good Luck!

Dave  - 1985 33ii





Message: 5
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
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Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives,
like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false
negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Rino Granito via CnC-List]

The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
Ontario area ??



Thanks,

./r

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> in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
>   
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[sthoma20--- via CnC-List]

I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but perhaps a 
bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
Email me privately if you want more details. 

Steve Thomas 
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Rino Granito via CnC-List  wrote: 
> The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
> Ontario area ??
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> ./r
> 
> On Sun, 2016-01-31 at 15:10 -0500, Rino Granito via CnC-List wrote:
> > Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> > in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
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> > 
> > Thanks..
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Ending a race is a location with palm trees is FAR better than ending in a cold 
North Atlantic foggy port …



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

That's right.  Also did Annapolis to Newport.  She took a lot of pounding on 
the way to Newport in a nasty NE wind.  She handled it better than the skipper!
i'm doing A2B again.

Congrats on the purchase!

Joel

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Joel raced his 35 to Bermuda in the 2014 Annapolis to Bermuda race.  IIRC his 
is a MKIII.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

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Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?

Thanks..

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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[David via CnC-List]

Josh,

The forefoot of Corsair is rather flat as well.   When asked about this Rob 
Ball said that when the boat heels she has the knuckle that splits the water 
without pounding.   I find this to be true on the washing machine (aka Buzzards 
Bay) as well as on the ocean.

Motoring in to a head sea in a short chop...not so much.   

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:26:51 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Joel, a lot of our boats have a "flat" area in front of the more or less 
standard fin keel.  Have you ever had a chance to compare the pounding in your 
boat to that of a boat with a full or modified full keel?  I've been pretty 
well beaten up by some short chop in the bay.  Kinda crashing off the peak of 
one wave onto the trough of another.  I don't think that that type of wave 
action is very frequent in blue water but interested in your thoughts.
Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD 
On Jan 31, 2016 4:07 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
That's right.  Also did Annapolis to Newport.  She took a lot of pounding on 
the way to Newport in a nasty NE wind.  She handled it better than the 
skipper!i'm doing A2B again.
Congrats on the purchase!
Joel
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Joel raced his 35 to Bermuda in the 2014 Annapolis to Bermuda race.  IIRC his 
is a MKIII.
Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD 

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wrote:
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in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?



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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

A MK I is not a MK II, but they are fairly close.
What to expect from a MK I offshore:
In light air you are not keeping up with many modern race boats, but you are 
miles ahead of most “cruising” types. Good thing, because the stock 18 gallons 
of fuel is not getting you real far!
A heavy air beat is rough work. You need the *right* headsail up. Too much and 
you are on your ear and too little is not enough drive. Reefing the main helps 
some, but the main is too small to take care of all the sail area changes. For 
short handed sailing I would consider roller reefing almost a requirement. One 
memorable (in a bad way) trip home from Bermuda saw two cycles of calm-40+ 
knots-calm. We were though every sail on the boat more than once – 
170,150,jib,storm jib, jib,150,170 with main reefs and unreefs thrown in. That 
was some work. The boat WILL pound and you will pound HARD if the helmsman is 
not paying attention. Every helm swap woke up the off watch as the boat banged 
hard while the new guy got in the groove. Almost any modern fin keel boat with 
flat-ish bilges will do this. For offshore don’t worry about the first main 
reef. If you need a reef at all, you need the second and anything in the 50 
knot range is the third reef and storm jib.
Crack off a bit and fun things start to happen. The MK I at least has a close 
reach mode that feels like being on rails ☺
Once the waves get big you have some new things to deal with off the wind. The 
boat will definitely surf down waves – we have seen 15+ knots down the face of 
a 20+ foot wave ☺ ☺
The boat does not plane like a Donzi or a modern planing sporty – you have the 
stern sunk down and a LOT of helm pressure. Steering is real fun and real hard 
work too. You cannot just go in a straight line either. The routine was bear 
off a bit at the top to break loose , kind of like a surfer “dropping in”, and 
fly down the face of the wave. At the bottom you head up some to prevent the 
boat sticking into the next wave. This is where the good range of stability and 
narrow hull help – a big breaking wave on the beam will roll you and a lot of 
water comes across the boat, but she always feels eager to spring back up and 
try again.  You will be wet though! Speaking of which, having the cockpit 
hatches come open could be fatal. We had ours latched with much better latches 
than the stock ones and locked closed. The cockpit won’t hold much water 
though, it comes in and goes right back out due to being heeled over.
For short handed sailing I would for sure bring a drogue device to be able to 
run off slowly and make it easy to steer. We had a ton of fun pushing hard in 
rough weather and doing 170 miles the first day out and 180 the second, but it 
kept 5 of us pretty busy.
Standard warning – these are all old boats now and need a good survey before 
heading offshore.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
www.dellabarba.com<http://www.dellabarba.com>

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Ending a race is a location with palm trees is FAR better than ending in a cold 
North Atlantic foggy port …



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

That's right.  Also did Annapolis to Newport.  She took a lot of pounding on 
the way to Newport in a nasty NE wind.  She handled it better than the skipper!
i'm doing A2B again.

Congrats on the purchase!

Joel

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Joel raced his 35 to Bermuda in the 2014 Annapolis to Bermuda race.  IIRC his 
is a MKIII.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

There's a Russian guy who did a solo circumnavigation with a 35 Mark one
that he purchased for the princely sum of $1000. You can find his youtube
channel but it's all in Russian. He's from Canada IIRC and the trip took
place a few years back. I'm surprise more people don't mention it on this
list.

Here we go:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-sailor-returns-after-solo-round-the-world-trip-1.2649695

The Mark II is one of the prettiest designs to my eye.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A MK I is not a MK II, but they are fairly close.
> What to expect from a MK I offshore:
>
> In light air you are not keeping up with many modern race boats, but you
> are miles ahead of most “cruising” types. Good thing, because the stock 18
> gallons of fuel is not getting you real far!
>
> A heavy air beat is rough work. You need the **right** headsail up. Too
> much and you are on your ear and too little is not enough drive. Reefing
> the main helps some, but the main is too small to take care of all the sail
> area changes. For short handed sailing I would consider roller reefing
> almost a requirement. One memorable (in a bad way) trip home from Bermuda
> saw two cycles of calm-40+ knots-calm. We were though every sail on the
> boat more than once – 170,150,jib,storm jib, jib,150,170 with main reefs
> and unreefs thrown in. That was some work. The boat WILL pound and you will
> pound HARD if the helmsman is not paying attention. Every helm swap woke up
> the off watch as the boat banged hard while the new guy got in the groove.
> Almost any modern fin keel boat with flat-ish bilges will do this. For
> offshore don’t worry about the first main reef. If you need a reef at all,
> you need the second and anything in the 50 knot range is the third reef and
> storm jib.
>
> Crack off a bit and fun things start to happen. The MK I at least has a
> close reach mode that feels like being on rails J
>
> Once the waves get big you have some new things to deal with off the wind.
> The boat will definitely surf down waves – we have seen 15+ knots down the
> face of a 20+ foot wave J J
>
> The boat does not plane like a Donzi or a modern planing sporty – you have
> the stern sunk down and a LOT of helm pressure. Steering is real fun and
> real hard work too. You cannot just go in a straight line either. The
> routine was bear off a bit at the top to break loose , kind of like a
> surfer “dropping in”, and fly down the face of the wave. At the bottom you
> head up some to prevent the boat sticking into the next wave. This is where
> the good range of stability and narrow hull help – a big breaking wave on
> the beam will roll you and a lot of water comes across the boat, but she
> always feels eager to spring back up and try again.  You will be wet
> though! Speaking of which, having the cockpit hatches come open could be
> fatal. We had ours latched with much better latches than the stock ones and
> locked closed. The cockpit won’t hold much water though, it comes in and
> goes right back out due to being heeled over.
>
> For short handed sailing I would for sure bring a drogue device to be able
> to run off slowly and make it easy to steer. We had a ton of fun pushing
> hard in rough weather and doing 170 miles the first day out and 180 the
> second, but it kept 5 of us pretty busy.
>
> Standard warning – these are all old boats now and need a good survey
> before heading offshore.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
> www.dellabarba.com
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Hoyt,
> Mike via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2016 08:47
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>
>
>
> Ending a race is a location with palm trees is FAR better than ending in a
> cold North Atlantic foggy port …
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2016 5:06 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>
>
>
> That's right.  Also did Annapolis to Newport.  She took a lot of pounding
> on the way to Newport in a nasty NE wind.  She handled it better than the
> skipper!
>
> i'm doing A2B again.
>
>
>
> Congrats on the purchase!
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Joel raced his 35 to Bermuda in the 2014 Annapol

Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[robert via CnC-List]

Steve:

I was on the dock to let his lines go when he left our club to begin his 
circumnavigation and I was on the dock to receive his lines when he 
returned.  The boat looked pretty much the same on his returnthe 
bottom needed a cleaning but that was about all I could see.  It was a 
C 35 MK I.


On his departure, I gave him a dozen chocolate bars..on his return, 
he gave me a big bag of kelp he had dried that he was eating on his 
journey...I didn't eat the kelp.wasn't hungry enough!


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-02-01 10:30 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
There's a Russian guy who did a solo circumnavigation with a 35 Mark 
one that he purchased for the princely sum of $1000. You can find his 
youtube channel but it's all in Russian. He's from Canada IIRC and the 
trip took place a few years back. I'm surprise more people don't 
mention it on this list.


Here we go: 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-sailor-returns-after-solo-round-the-world-trip-1.2649695


The Mark II is one of the prettiest designs to my eye.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


A MK I is not a MK II, but they are fairly close.
What to expect from a MK I offshore:

In light air you are not keeping up with many modern race boats,
but you are miles ahead of most “cruising” types. Good thing,
because the stock 18 gallons of fuel is not getting you real far!

A heavy air beat is rough work. You need the **right** headsail
up. Too much and you are on your ear and too little is not enough
drive. Reefing the main helps some, but the main is too small to
take care of all the sail area changes. For short handed sailing I
would consider roller reefing almost a requirement. One memorable
(in a bad way) trip home from Bermuda saw two cycles of calm-40+
knots-calm. We were though every sail on the boat more than once –
170,150,jib,storm jib, jib,150,170 with main reefs and unreefs
thrown in. That was some work. The boat WILL pound and you will
pound HARD if the helmsman is not paying attention. Every helm
swap woke up the off watch as the boat banged hard while the new
guy got in the groove. Almost any modern fin keel boat with
flat-ish bilges will do this. For offshore don’t worry about the
first main reef. If you need a reef at all, you need the second
and anything in the 50 knot range is the third reef and storm jib.

Crack off a bit and fun things start to happen. The MK I at least
has a close reach mode that feels like being on rails J

Once the waves get big you have some new things to deal with off
the wind. The boat will definitely surf down waves – we have seen
15+ knots down the face of a 20+ foot wave JJ

The boat does not plane like a Donzi or a modern planing sporty –
you have the stern sunk down and a LOT of helm pressure. Steering
is real fun and real hard work too. You cannot just go in a
straight line either. The routine was bear off a bit at the top to
break loose , kind of like a surfer “dropping in”, and fly down
the face of the wave. At the bottom you head up some to prevent
the boat sticking into the next wave. This is where the good range
of stability and narrow hull help – a big breaking wave on the
beam will roll you and a lot of water comes across the boat, but
she always feels eager to spring back up and try again.  You will
be wet though! Speaking of which, having the cockpit hatches come
open could be fatal. We had ours latched with much better latches
than the stock ones and locked closed. The cockpit won’t hold much
water though, it comes in and goes right back out due to being
heeled over.

For short handed sailing I would for sure bring a drogue device to
be able to run off slowly and make it easy to steer. We had a ton
of fun pushing hard in rough weather and doing 170 miles the first
day out and 180 the second, but it kept 5 of us pretty busy.

Standard warning – these are all old boats now and need a good
survey before heading offshore.

Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I

www.dellabarba.com <http://www.dellabarba.com>

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    *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Ending a race is a location with palm trees is FAR better than
ending in a cold North Atlantic foggy port …

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*Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2016 5:06 PM
 

Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Rino Granito via CnC-List]

Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?  

Thanks..

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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I owned a 35 Mk II for 18 years and sailed her many miles off shore.  She
is a well founded and solid boat.  If in good shape you won't be
disappointed.

You may contact me off list if you have other questions.

Gary

~~~_/)~~


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> Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
>
> Thanks..
>
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