Stus-List Re: 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Now that we're back home to local waters of BC's Gulf Islands where good
anchorages are every few miles, and not trying to get anywhere, I am
enjoying just sailing where the wind and current take us. I'm finding
surprising speed on reaches... Yesterday we almost caught up to a Beneteau
that was motoring across the channel in 6-10 of breeze, with just our genoa
on a beam reach.

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 07:00 Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> With regard to the reaching capabilities of the 35-1 and 35-2, when the RC
> set a teaching course, some of my competition said to me before the race
> “they might as well give Touche’ the trophy now”.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36

[Peter Kirkwood via CnC-List]

Lots of discussion at our club on this as we started the year with set mark
racing which to me is fun -sometimes- but  there is very little to think
about in terms of strategy and tactics.  The W/L courses bring that aspect
of competition back in and is also a great way to hone boat handling
skills.  Two or 3 times a course with flying sails is a workout for sure.

Peter Kirkwood
Renaissance
1977 38 mk 2

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:00 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> With regard to the reaching capabilities of the 35-1 and 35-2, when the RC
> set a teaching course, some of my competition said to me before the race
> “they might as well give Touche’ the trophy now”.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

With regard to the reaching capabilities of the 35-1 and 35-2, when the RC set 
a teaching course, some of my competition said to me before the race “they 
might as well give Touche’ the trophy now”. 

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

> On Sep 10, 2021, at 8:07 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The C&C 33-2 is very fast on a beat. It has PHRF 132 and the older 35-2 has 
> PHRF 120. On a beat it’s hard for the 35-2 to stay with the slower rated 
> 33-2. However from close reach to run the 35-2  excels. It is difficult for a 
> faster rated C&C 37 (PHRF 105) to stay with the slower rated C&C 35-2 on 
> those points of sail. I like sailing off the wind on a close reach, who 
> doesn’t?  That with the well know strong construction of the older 35’s was 
> one reason I got my 35-2 instead of a newer 33-2. 
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 6:17 PM Dave S via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> Lol-  never race either but if I did I’d probably notice that the 33-2 is 
>> faster than most others I encounter on the water, especially in light air, 
>> should I be noticing such things. 
>> I did get schooled last weekend by a good friend (an accomplished racer)  in 
>> a C&C 32 with tired sails.  (My 33-2 is faster, hands down, I’m not.) I Had 
>> to work very hard and find another gear to slowly catch up.   This in 
>> support of dwight’s point - the driver may matter more than the car.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 9, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 
>>> Dwight, that doesn’t apply to me. I’m not like that. Besides my boat is so 
>>> fast it’s never much of a contest. 😀
>> 
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> Andrew Burton
>>> 26 Beacon Hill
>>> Newport, RI 
>>> USA 02840
>>> 
>>> +401 965 5260
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Sep 9, 2021, at 16:03, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
 
 For some of us a race starts every time another sail is in sight. I am a 
 little bit of that vintage lately having become more selective based on 
 potential boat speed or phrases numbers. The landfalls are great C&C’s. I 
 had a landfall 35 close by me in the yard. Nice and the 38 too. I like the 
 ways my 35MKII flies on that tack. Waterline length is important but sail 
 trim and crew work snd helm control are important. Get the boat in the 
 groove on that tack probably she’ll let you know
 
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:05 PM Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Always pleasantly surprised at the speed of the C&C. This past Sunday 
> with 10 to 15kn  wind I was sailing from Shelter Island with a friend in 
> a 92 Morris Justine.  On the a 13 mile run between Orient Point and 
> Westbrook CT on a beam to close reach the C&C Landfall consistently 
> outpaced the Morris. By the end we were probably close to 3/4 mile ahead.
> 
> I though weight might be the biggest factor but the sail area to 
> displacement favored the Morris??  Does this come down to hull shape?  
> Not sure I was out sailing him as I think he was pretty dialed in as 
> well.   I suppose the Morris may be more built for offshore maybe??  
> Would love some thoughts from the group!
> 
> Thanks in advance!!
> 
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Stus-List Re: 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

The C&C 33-2 is very fast on a beat. It has PHRF 132 and the older 35-2 has
PHRF 120. On a beat it’s hard for the 35-2 to stay with the slower rated
33-2. However from close reach to run the 35-2  excels. It is difficult for
a faster rated C&C 37 (PHRF 105) to stay with the slower rated C&C 35-2 on
those points of sail. I like sailing off the wind on a close reach, who
doesn’t?  That with the well know strong construction of the older 35’s was
one reason I got my 35-2 instead of a newer 33-2.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 6:17 PM Dave S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Lol-  never race either but if I did I’d probably notice that the 33-2 is
> faster than most others I encounter on the water, especially in light air,
> should I be noticing such things.
> I did get schooled last weekend by a good friend (an accomplished racer)
>  in a C&C 32 with tired sails.  (My 33-2 is faster, hands down, I’m not.) I
> Had to work very hard and find another gear to slowly catch up.   This in
> support of dwight’s point - the driver may matter more than the car.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 9, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Dwight, that doesn’t apply to me. I’m not like that. Besides my boat is
> so fast it’s never much of a contest. 😀
>
>
> Andy
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> 
> Newport, RI
> 
>
> USA 02840
> 
>
> +401 965 5260
> https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2021, at 16:03, dwight veinot via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> For some of us a race starts every time another sail is in sight. I am a
> little bit of that vintage lately having become more selective based on
> potential boat speed or phrases numbers. The landfalls are great C&C’s. I
> had a landfall 35 close by me in the yard. Nice and the 38 too. I like the
> ways my 35MKII flies on that tack. Waterline length is important but sail
> trim and crew work snd helm control are important. Get the boat in the
> groove on that tack probably she’ll let you know
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:05 PM Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Always pleasantly surprised at the speed of the C&C. This past Sunday
>> with 10 to 15kn  wind I was sailing from Shelter Island with a friend in a
>> 92 Morris Justine.  On the a 13 mile run between Orient Point and Westbrook
>> CT on a beam to close reach the C&C Landfall consistently outpaced the
>> Morris. By the end we were probably close to 3/4 mile ahead.
>>
>> I though weight might be the biggest factor but the sail area to
>> displacement favored the Morris??  Does this come down to hull shape?  Not
>> sure I was out sailing him as I think he was pretty dialed in as well.   I
>> suppose the Morris may be more built for offshore maybe??  Would love some
>> thoughts from the group!
>>
>> Thanks in advance!!
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Stus-List Re: 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

“…a race starts every time another sail is in sight.”

According to my wife I resemble that remark. For example, on a Desolation Sound 
cruise, fully loaded with cruising gear, Optimist dingy on foredeck, inflatable 
in tow the 70’ ULDB “Meridian” popped out of an bay and headed up the same 
channel as us. So out rolls the heavy #1 and the constant tweaking of the go 
fast strings ensues.
I got away with this until I asked my wife to “move over a bit” to allow easier 
access to the main sheet winch.

I don’t recall exactly how long/far this side by side speed contest went on, 
and granted “Meridian” was not using their mainsail, but I sure enjoyed sailing 
side by side through the spectacular scenery of Desolation Sound.

The C&C connection to “Meridian”, is Chuck Schiff who owned the C&C 43 “Epic” 
asked Bob Perry to design a longer, faster boat with a sail plan similar to the 
43. Both boat’s hulls were painted black.
“Epic” was one of the top racing boats in the PNW in the mid to late 70’s and 
was always impressive as it powered past the C&C 39 is was crewing on.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso 
1971 C&C 43
Seattle/Port Townsend’s yard 

> On Sep 9, 2021, at 2:03 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> For some of us a race starts every time another sail is in sight. I am a 
> little bit of that vintage lately having become more selective based on 
> potential boat speed or phrases numbers. The landfalls are great C&C’s. I had 
> a landfall 35 close by me in the yard. Nice and the 38 too. I like the ways 
> my 35MKII flies on that tack. Waterline length is important but sail trim and 
> crew work snd helm control are important. Get the boat in the groove on that 
> tack probably she’ll let you know
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Stus-List Re: 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36

[Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List]

Hah, good point, that reminds me I've got tired old sails and the Morris had 
the brand new fancy gray ones!!

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  On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 5:36 PM, Dave S via CnC-List 
wrote:   Lol-  never race either but if I did I’d probably notice that the 33-2 
is faster than most others I encounter on the water, especially in light air, 
should I be noticing such things.     I did get schooled last weekend by a good 
friend (an accomplished racer)  in a C&C 32 with tired sails.  (My 33-2 is 
faster, hands down, I’m not.) I Had to work very hard and find another gear to 
slowly catch up.   This in support of dwight’s point - the driver may matter 
more than the car.
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List  
wrote:



 Dwight, that doesn’t apply to me. I’m not like that. Besides my boat is so 
fast it’s never much of a contest. 😀
Andy

Andrew Burton26 Beacon HillNewport, RI USA 02840
+401 965 5260https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/



On Sep 9, 2021, at 16:03, dwight veinot via CnC-List  
wrote:



For some of us a race starts every time another sail is in sight. I am a 
little bit of that vintage lately having become more selective based on 
potential boat speed or phrases numbers. The landfalls are great C&C’s. I had a 
landfall 35 close by me in the yard. Nice and the 38 too. I like the ways my 
35MKII flies on that tack. Waterline length is important but sail trim and crew 
work snd helm control are important. Get the boat in the groove on that tack 
probably she’ll let you know
On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:05 PM Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Always pleasantly surprised at the speed of the C&C. This past Sunday with 10 
to 15kn  wind I was sailing from Shelter Island with a friend in a 92 Morris 
Justine.  On the a 13 mile run between Orient Point and Westbrook CT on a beam 
to close reach the C&C Landfall consistently outpaced the Morris. By the end we 
were probably close to 3/4 mile ahead.
I though weight might be the biggest factor but the sail area to displacement 
favored the Morris??  Does this come down to hull shape?  Not sure I was out 
sailing him as I think he was pretty dialed in as well.   I suppose the Morris 
may be more built for offshore maybe??  Would love some thoughts from the group!
Thanks in advance!!

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Stus-List Re: 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Lol-  never race either but if I did I’d probably notice that the 33-2 is 
faster than most others I encounter on the water, especially in light air, 
should I be noticing such things. 
I did get schooled last weekend by a good friend (an accomplished racer)  in a 
C&C 32 with tired sails.  (My 33-2 is faster, hands down, I’m not.) I Had to 
work very hard and find another gear to slowly catch up.   This in support of 
dwight’s point - the driver may matter more than the car.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dwight, that doesn’t apply to me. I’m not like that. Besides my boat is so 
> fast it’s never much of a contest. 😀
> 
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI 
> USA 02840
> 
> +401 965 5260
> https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2021, at 16:03, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> For some of us a race starts every time another sail is in sight. I am a 
>> little bit of that vintage lately having become more selective based on 
>> potential boat speed or phrases numbers. The landfalls are great C&C’s. I 
>> had a landfall 35 close by me in the yard. Nice and the 38 too. I like the 
>> ways my 35MKII flies on that tack. Waterline length is important but sail 
>> trim and crew work snd helm control are important. Get the boat in the 
>> groove on that tack probably she’ll let you know
>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:05 PM Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Always pleasantly surprised at the speed of the C&C. This past Sunday with 
>>> 10 to 15kn  wind I was sailing from Shelter Island with a friend in a 92 
>>> Morris Justine.  On the a 13 mile run between Orient Point and Westbrook CT 
>>> on a beam to close reach the C&C Landfall consistently outpaced the Morris. 
>>> By the end we were probably close to 3/4 mile ahead.
>>> 
>>> I though weight might be the biggest factor but the sail area to 
>>> displacement favored the Morris??  Does this come down to hull shape?  Not 
>>> sure I was out sailing him as I think he was pretty dialed in as well.   I 
>>> suppose the Morris may be more built for offshore maybe??  Would love some 
>>> thoughts from the group!
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance!!
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Stus-List Re: 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Dwight, that doesn’t apply to me. I’m not like that. Besides my boat is so fast 
it’s never much of a contest. 😀

Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA 02840

+401 965 5260
https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/



> On Sep 9, 2021, at 16:03, dwight veinot via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> For some of us a race starts every time another sail is in sight. I am a 
> little bit of that vintage lately having become more selective based on 
> potential boat speed or phrases numbers. The landfalls are great C&C’s. I had 
> a landfall 35 close by me in the yard. Nice and the 38 too. I like the ways 
> my 35MKII flies on that tack. Waterline length is important but sail trim and 
> crew work snd helm control are important. Get the boat in the groove on that 
> tack probably she’ll let you know
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:05 PM Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Always pleasantly surprised at the speed of the C&C. This past Sunday with 
>> 10 to 15kn  wind I was sailing from Shelter Island with a friend in a 92 
>> Morris Justine.  On the a 13 mile run between Orient Point and Westbrook CT 
>> on a beam to close reach the C&C Landfall consistently outpaced the Morris. 
>> By the end we were probably close to 3/4 mile ahead.
>> 
>> I though weight might be the biggest factor but the sail area to 
>> displacement favored the Morris??  Does this come down to hull shape?  Not 
>> sure I was out sailing him as I think he was pretty dialed in as well.   I 
>> suppose the Morris may be more built for offshore maybe??  Would love some 
>> thoughts from the group!
>> 
>> Thanks in advance!!
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Stus-List Re: 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

For some of us a race starts every time another sail is in sight. I am a
little bit of that vintage lately having become more selective based on
potential boat speed or phrases numbers. The landfalls are great C&C’s. I
had a landfall 35 close by me in the yard. Nice and the 38 too. I like the
ways my 35MKII flies on that tack. Waterline length is important but sail
trim and crew work snd helm control are important. Get the boat in the
groove on that tack probably she’ll let you know

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:05 PM Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Always pleasantly surprised at the speed of the C&C. This past Sunday with
> 10 to 15kn  wind I was sailing from Shelter Island with a friend in a 92
> Morris Justine.  On the a 13 mile run between Orient Point and Westbrook CT
> on a beam to close reach the C&C Landfall consistently outpaced the Morris.
> By the end we were probably close to 3/4 mile ahead.
>
> I though weight might be the biggest factor but the sail area to
> displacement favored the Morris??  Does this come down to hull shape?  Not
> sure I was out sailing him as I think he was pretty dialed in as well.   I
> suppose the Morris may be more built for offshore maybe??  Would love some
> thoughts from the group!
>
> Thanks in advance!!
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
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Stus-List Re: 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Peter,
We have been remarkably pleased with the performance of our Landfall 35 in our 
travels around Buzzards Bay.  6-7kts is fairly common over the ground in a beam 
reach at slack tides.  The shortcomings arise when trying to sail tight angles 
up wind as the length of the spreaders on the single spreader mast makes tight 
sheeting angles quite problematic.  She also starts to side slip at angles 
higher than 40-45 degrees. Running dead downwind isn’t desirable either and we 
have compromised by using an Assymetric genniker and sailing hotter angles and 
gybing more often.
In 12kts of breeze we have seen 8 kts with the main and genniker in flat water.
Chuck Gilchrest 
S/V Half Magic
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA

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> On Sep 9, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> It was against the current so 4.5 kn to 5kn over ground
> 
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> 
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 11:44 AM, Korbey Hunt
>  wrote:
> How fast were you traveling?
> 
> Get Outlook for Android
> From: Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 6:04:58 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Peter Cowenhoven 
> Subject: Stus-List 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36
>  
> Always pleasantly surprised at the speed of the C&C. This past Sunday with 10 
> to 15kn  wind I was sailing from Shelter Island with a friend in a 92 Morris 
> Justine.  On the a 13 mile run between Orient Point and Westbrook CT on a 
> beam to close reach the C&C Landfall consistently outpaced the Morris. By the 
> end we were probably close to 3/4 mile ahead.
> 
> I though weight might be the biggest factor but the sail area to displacement 
> favored the Morris??  Does this come down to hull shape?  Not sure I was out 
> sailing him as I think he was pretty dialed in as well.   I suppose the 
> Morris may be more built for offshore maybe??  Would love some thoughts from 
> the group!
> 
> Thanks in advance!!
> 
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Stus-List Re: 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36

[Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List]

It was against the current so 4.5 kn to 5kn over ground

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  On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 11:44 AM, Korbey Hunt wrote:   
How fast were you traveling?
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Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 6:04:58 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Peter Cowenhoven 
Subject: Stus-List 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36 Always pleasantly 
surprised at the speed of the C&C. This past Sunday with 10 to 15kn  wind I was 
sailing from Shelter Island with a friend in a 92 Morris Justine.  On the a 13 
mile run between Orient Point and Westbrook CT on a beam to close reach the C&C 
Landfall consistently outpaced the Morris. By the end we were probably close to 
3/4 mile ahead.
I though weight might be the biggest factor but the sail area to displacement 
favored the Morris??  Does this come down to hull shape?  Not sure I was out 
sailing him as I think he was pretty dialed in as well.   I suppose the Morris 
may be more built for offshore maybe??  Would love some thoughts from the group!
Thanks in advance!!

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Stus-List Re: 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

How fast were you traveling?

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From: Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 6:04:58 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Peter Cowenhoven 
Subject: Stus-List 84 Landfall 35 vs 91 Morris Justine 36

Always pleasantly surprised at the speed of the C&C. This past Sunday with 10 
to 15kn  wind I was sailing from Shelter Island with a friend in a 92 Morris 
Justine.  On the a 13 mile run between Orient Point and Westbrook CT on a beam 
to close reach the C&C Landfall consistently outpaced the Morris. By the end we 
were probably close to 3/4 mile ahead.

I though weight might be the biggest factor but the sail area to displacement 
favored the Morris??  Does this come down to hull shape?  Not sure I was out 
sailing him as I think he was pretty dialed in as well.   I suppose the Morris 
may be more built for offshore maybe??  Would love some thoughts from the group!

Thanks in advance!!

Sent from Yahoo Mail on 
Android
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