Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

2020-09-30 Thread Tom Buscaglia 

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Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660



On Sep 29, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Peter Fell  wrote:


I'm curious .. with the tank on the stern rail 
as pictured, how are the ABYC requirements fulfilled?



1.  LPG cylinders, cylinder valves, regulating 
equipment, and safety devices shall be readily 
accessible, secured for sea conditions, and 
protected from the weather and against 
mechanical damage  i.e. your tank and (I assume 
regulator, gauge and solenoid) are unprotected.
2.  installed in a ventilated location on the 
exterior of the boat where escaping gases will 
flow directly overboard i.e. just as much chance to flow into the cockpit.
3. A relief valve’s point of discharge shall 
be at least 20 inches (508mm) distant from any 
opening to a cabin or the hull interior. i.e. 
your tank is right next to the blower intake (or exhaust, I'm not sure which).


Don't get me wrong, I've wrestled with the same 
issues and it is near impossible to meet all 
requirements in a retrofit. My propane system 
isn't connected right now, until I have a better 
plan in place (and my composite tank is expired anyway).


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Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

2020-09-30 Thread Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
In the case of an outboard-mounted propane tank for a high-guality rail-mounted 
gas grill (like Magma), the pressure regulator is part of the gas grill and is 
protected from the weather by the grill housing.  (There might be cheaper 
grills on the market where this is not the case.)

For aluminum tanks, there is nothing that will corrode seriously in the 
weather.  It seems like if you could protect an external regulator and solenoid 
from the weather, all the requirements could be met.

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)
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email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 9:53 PM, Peter Fell  wrote:
> 
> 
>> I'm curious .. with the tank on the stern rail as pictured, how are the ABYC 
>> requirements fulfilled?
> 
> 1.  LPG cylinders, cylinder valves, regulating equipment, and safety devices 
> shall be readily accessible, secured for sea conditions, and protected from 
> the weather and against mechanical damage  i.e. your tank and (I assume 
> regulator, gauge and solenoid) are unprotected.
> 2.  installed in a ventilated location on the exterior of the boat where 
> escaping gases will flow directly overboard i.e. just as much chance to flow 
> into the cockpit.
> 3. A relief valve’s point of discharge shall be at least 20 inches (508mm) 
> distant from any opening to a cabin or the hull interior. i.e. your tank is 
> right next to the blower intake (or exhaust, I'm not sure which).
> 
> Don't get me wrong, I've wrestled with the same issues and it is near 
> impossible to meet all requirements in a retrofit. My propane system isn't 
> connected right now, until I have a better plan in place (and my composite 
> tank is expired anyway).
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Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

2020-09-30 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
It isn’t perfect, but like about a million other boats with propane grills, I 
have a propane tank hanging off the stern anyway, so you might think of it as 
10 pounds instead of 2 pounds. Back when I was working on boats it was that or 
nothing, there was no other way really to put propane on without a 
multi-thousand dollar construction project on many older boats.
This is one reason CNG got invented.


Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com



From: Peter Fell [mailto:prf...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 9:14 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

I'm curious .. with the tank on the stern rail as pictured, how are the ABYC 
requirements fulfilled?

1.  LPG cylinders, cylinder valves, regulating equipment, and safety devices 
shall be readily accessible, secured for sea conditions, and protected from the 
weather and against mechanical damage  i.e. your tank and (I assume regulator, 
gauge and solenoid) are unprotected.
2.  installed in a ventilated location on the exterior of the boat where 
escaping gases will flow directly overboard i.e. just as much chance to flow 
into the cockpit.
3. A relief valve’s point of discharge shall be at least 20 inches (508mm) 
distant from any opening to a cabin or the hull interior. i.e. your tank is 
right next to the blower intake (or exhaust, I'm not sure which).

Don't get me wrong, I've wrestled with the same issues and it is near 
impossible to meet all requirements in a retrofit. My propane system isn't 
connected right now, until I have a better plan in place (and my composite tank 
is expired anyway).
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Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

2020-09-29 Thread Peter Fell 
>
> I'm curious .. with the tank on the stern rail as pictured, how are the
> ABYC requirements fulfilled?


1.  LPG cylinders, cylinder valves, regulating equipment, and safety
devices shall be readily accessible, secured for sea conditions, and
protected from the weather and against mechanical damage  i.e. your tank
and (I assume regulator, gauge and solenoid) are unprotected.
2.  installed in a ventilated location on the exterior of the boat where
escaping gases will flow directly overboard i.e. just as much chance to
flow into the cockpit.
3. A relief valve’s point of discharge shall be at least 20 inches (508mm)
distant from any opening to a cabin or the hull interior. i.e. your tank is
right next to the blower intake (or exhaust, I'm not sure which).

Don't get me wrong, I've wrestled with the same issues and it is near
impossible to meet all requirements in a retrofit. My propane system isn't
connected right now, until I have a better plan in place (and my composite
tank is expired anyway).
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Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

2020-09-29 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
What he said – buy an aluminum tank, mount it to the stern rail ☺


Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com



From: Tom Buscaglia [mailto:t...@sv-alera.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 9:45 AM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

Why bother with a box?

On our 35 MK 1 we went with a rail mount.  Had a “T” put in the hose with one 
hose to the grill and the other to the galley stove.

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Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660



On Sep 29, 2020, at 3:53 AM, 
djmor...@djma-ltd.com<mailto:djmor...@djma-ltd.com> wrote:

Any suggestions on how to best and, one hopes economically retrofit a 1975 C 
30 MK1 for safe LPG storage? Off-the-shelf lockers start in the $1k range and 
would consume more of a cockpit locker than I’d prefer to surrender. I’ve yet 
to see an off-the-transom approach that doesn’t rob from the elegance of the 
boat’s design. I know the safety regs, my question is around physical space.

David J. Morris, MBA
President, D.J. Morris & Associates Ltd.
24 St. Paul’s Place, Kingston, ON  K7M 7S3
Tel. 613-531-4429
email: djmor...@djma-ltd.com<mailto:djmor...@djma-ltd.com>
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Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

2020-09-29 Thread Tom Buscaglia 
Why bother with a box?  

On our 35 MK 1 we went with a rail mount.  Had a “T” put in the hose with one 
hose to the grill and the other to the galley stove.

https://flic.kr/p/26vv7To

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Sep 29, 2020, at 3:53 AM, djmor...@djma-ltd.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Any suggestions on how to best and, one hopes economically retrofit a 1975 
> C 30 MK1 for safe LPG storage? Off-the-shelf lockers start in the $1k range 
> and would consume more of a cockpit locker than I’d prefer to surrender. I’ve 
> yet to see an off-the-transom approach that doesn’t rob from the elegance of 
> the boat’s design. I know the safety regs, my question is around physical 
> space.  
>  
> David J. Morris, MBA
> President, D.J. Morris & Associates Ltd.
> 24 St. Paul’s Place, Kingston, ON  K7M 7S3
> Tel. 613-531-4429
> email: djmor...@djma-ltd.com
> Member: Canadian Freelance Guild
> Blogging at: http://davidmorrisjourneys.wordpress.com/
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Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

2020-09-29 Thread Jeff Nelson 
As mentioned elsewhere, there isn't a need for a gutter.  Propane is 
heavier than air so
it sinks through the vent in the bottom.  Just need to ensure a tight 
fit between your
manufactured box and the bought lid.  Epoxy will take care of that. I 
used the bolts to
hold it in place while the epoxy cured.  It's a pretty simple build as 
it's just a square
box with a flange on top screwed together and then covered with 
fiberglass.  I mixed
some epoxy and west 410 fairing microfibers into something like drywall 
mud and used that
to fair out the fiberglass to create a smooth surface.  Then you can 
paint white or white

with a titch of yellow to match your deck.

You can always put an extension on the grease fitting to bring it out.  
I'm still slender enough
to get back there and my Daughter who sails and races with me should be 
able to fit for years

to come.  lol.

On 2020-09-29 9:05 a.m., djmor...@djma-ltd.com wrote:


Hi Jeff. Many thanks for taking the time to respond. May I ask where 
you mounted the locker?


A friend with a 1984 30 MK1 has his locker hanging between his 
starboard cockpit locker and the transom, accessible from above (i.e. 
from the cockpit), with a lid that looks very much like an anchor 
chain locker lid. It looks like it was manufactured into the hull as 
opposed to being a retrofit. It did occur to me to use one of the 
hatch covers like you suggested, but my fabrication skills aren’t such 
that I’d be able to fashion the sort of drainage gutter like he has 
around the top of the propane locker hatch.


An interesting downside to my friend’s setup is that he can’t access 
the transom from his starboard locker. He’s not a big guy, but he 
can’t crawl back between the propane locker and gas tank. He didn’t 
know there was a rudder grease cap on the starboard side until I 
mentioned it to him. He had to pack the cap somewhat blindly from the 
port side).


Again my thanks for your advice.

David

*From:* Jeff Nelson 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2020 7:41 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

Yes, I built one for mine.  I made a mold out of plywood, fiberglassed 
it.  I used a pre-made

deck hatch like this one:
https://www.amazon.ca/Amarine-made-ACCESS-Marine-Caravan-White/dp/B06XW43PFP/ref=pd_lpo_200_img_2/143-2957886-3052127?_encoding=UTF8_rd_i=B06XW43PFP_rd_r=2479d6c9-6b49-4094-8f07-57eab3013810_rd_w=32BXM_rd_wg=3lgQ3_rd_p=256a14b6-93bc-4bcd-9f68-aea60d2878b9_rd_r=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF=1=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF 
<https://www.amazon.ca/Amarine-made-ACCESS-Marine-Caravan-White/dp/B06XW43PFP/ref=pd_lpo_200_img_2/143-2957886-3052127?_encoding=UTF8_rd_i=B06XW43PFP_rd_r=2479d6c9-6b49-4094-8f07-57eab3013810_rd_w=32BXM_rd_wg=3lgQ3_rd_p=256a14b6-93bc-4bcd-9f68-aea60d2878b9_rd_r=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF=1=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF>


Which was just big enough for a 10 lb propane take and 3 singles to 
fit in for the Barbie.
I then just cut the hole and sealed hatch and fabricated box to 
locker.  I vented the bottom out the
side (which I know is not really right as it will be under water on 1 
tack)but so would aft on all tacks.


I can't remember the dimensions, but if you play around with some 
plywood, tank and deck lid you
can figure out the smallest dimension that will work for you. I made 
the lip about 2 inches to give lots of
space to support it to the locker bottom.  Then some epoxy and screws 
to ensure it stayed tight with no leaks.
I think I dressed the inside of the lip with more fiberglass. In 
theory propane should never leak out the top
anyway, assuming the vent in the bottom is blocked...but wanted to 
make sure there were no leaks other than

the vent that was supposed to drain away propane.

Hope this helps.  If I remember I can take some pics when I'm at the 
boat next.


Cheers,
   Jeff Nelson
   Muir Caileag
  C 30 Mk 1
  0549 - 1979

On 2020-09-29 7:53 a.m., djmor...@djma-ltd.com 
<mailto:djmor...@djma-ltd.com> wrote:


Any suggestions on how to best and, one hopes economically
retrofit a 1975 C 30 MK1 for safe LPG storage? Off-the-shelf
lockers start in the $1k range and would consume more of a cockpit
locker than I’d prefer to surrender. I’ve yet to see an
off-the-transom approach that doesn’t rob from the elegance of the
boat’s design. I know the safety regs, my question is around
physical space.

David J. Morris, MBA
President, D.J. Morris & Associates Ltd.
24 St. Paul’s Place, Kingston, ON  K7M 7S3

Tel. 613-531-4429
email: djmor...@djma-ltd.com <mailto:djmor...@djma-ltd.com>
Member: Canadian Freelance Guild

Blogging at: http://davidmorrisjourneys.wordpress.com/
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Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

2020-09-29 Thread Jeff Nelson 
I put mine in starboard locker aft, next to the wheel, slightly aft of 
it.  Basically,
where I could get a large enough section of square seat to fit the hatch 
cover in.
There is enough space below it for me to still wiggle in to gain access 
to my quadrant.


On 2020-09-29 9:05 a.m., djmor...@djma-ltd.com wrote:


Hi Jeff. Many thanks for taking the time to respond. May I ask where 
you mounted the locker?


A friend with a 1984 30 MK1 has his locker hanging between his 
starboard cockpit locker and the transom, accessible from above (i.e. 
from the cockpit), with a lid that looks very much like an anchor 
chain locker lid. It looks like it was manufactured into the hull as 
opposed to being a retrofit. It did occur to me to use one of the 
hatch covers like you suggested, but my fabrication skills aren’t such 
that I’d be able to fashion the sort of drainage gutter like he has 
around the top of the propane locker hatch.


An interesting downside to my friend’s setup is that he can’t access 
the transom from his starboard locker. He’s not a big guy, but he 
can’t crawl back between the propane locker and gas tank. He didn’t 
know there was a rudder grease cap on the starboard side until I 
mentioned it to him. He had to pack the cap somewhat blindly from the 
port side).


Again my thanks for your advice.

David

*From:* Jeff Nelson 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2020 7:41 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

Yes, I built one for mine.  I made a mold out of plywood, fiberglassed 
it.  I used a pre-made

deck hatch like this one:
https://www.amazon.ca/Amarine-made-ACCESS-Marine-Caravan-White/dp/B06XW43PFP/ref=pd_lpo_200_img_2/143-2957886-3052127?_encoding=UTF8_rd_i=B06XW43PFP_rd_r=2479d6c9-6b49-4094-8f07-57eab3013810_rd_w=32BXM_rd_wg=3lgQ3_rd_p=256a14b6-93bc-4bcd-9f68-aea60d2878b9_rd_r=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF=1=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF 
<https://www.amazon.ca/Amarine-made-ACCESS-Marine-Caravan-White/dp/B06XW43PFP/ref=pd_lpo_200_img_2/143-2957886-3052127?_encoding=UTF8_rd_i=B06XW43PFP_rd_r=2479d6c9-6b49-4094-8f07-57eab3013810_rd_w=32BXM_rd_wg=3lgQ3_rd_p=256a14b6-93bc-4bcd-9f68-aea60d2878b9_rd_r=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF=1=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF>


Which was just big enough for a 10 lb propane take and 3 singles to 
fit in for the Barbie.
I then just cut the hole and sealed hatch and fabricated box to 
locker.  I vented the bottom out the
side (which I know is not really right as it will be under water on 1 
tack)but so would aft on all tacks.


I can't remember the dimensions, but if you play around with some 
plywood, tank and deck lid you
can figure out the smallest dimension that will work for you. I made 
the lip about 2 inches to give lots of
space to support it to the locker bottom.  Then some epoxy and screws 
to ensure it stayed tight with no leaks.
I think I dressed the inside of the lip with more fiberglass. In 
theory propane should never leak out the top
anyway, assuming the vent in the bottom is blocked...but wanted to 
make sure there were no leaks other than

the vent that was supposed to drain away propane.

Hope this helps.  If I remember I can take some pics when I'm at the 
boat next.


Cheers,
   Jeff Nelson
   Muir Caileag
  C 30 Mk 1
  0549 - 1979

On 2020-09-29 7:53 a.m., djmor...@djma-ltd.com 
<mailto:djmor...@djma-ltd.com> wrote:


Any suggestions on how to best and, one hopes economically
retrofit a 1975 C 30 MK1 for safe LPG storage? Off-the-shelf
lockers start in the $1k range and would consume more of a cockpit
locker than I’d prefer to surrender. I’ve yet to see an
off-the-transom approach that doesn’t rob from the elegance of the
boat’s design. I know the safety regs, my question is around
physical space.

David J. Morris, MBA
President, D.J. Morris & Associates Ltd.
24 St. Paul’s Place, Kingston, ON  K7M 7S3

Tel. 613-531-4429
email: djmor...@djma-ltd.com <mailto:djmor...@djma-ltd.com>
Member: Canadian Freelance Guild

Blogging at: http://davidmorrisjourneys.wordpress.com/
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Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

2020-09-29 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Just a thought.  A propane locker needs a drain to relieve any heavier than air 
propane gas, so a gutter around the lid  is nice to have but not necessary.  
Any rain getting into the locker will simply run out the drain. 

Chuck

> On 09/29/2020 8:05 AM djmor...@djma-ltd.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Jeff. Many thanks for taking the time to respond. May I ask where you 
> mounted the locker?
> 
> 
> A friend with a 1984 30 MK1 has his locker hanging between his starboard 
> cockpit locker and the transom, accessible from above (i.e. from the 
> cockpit), with a lid that looks very much like an anchor chain locker lid. It 
> looks like it was manufactured into the hull as opposed to being a retrofit. 
> It did occur to me to use one of the hatch covers like you suggested, but my 
> fabrication skills aren’t such that I’d be able to fashion the sort of 
> drainage gutter like he has around the top of the propane locker hatch.
> 
> 
> An interesting downside to my friend’s setup is that he can’t access the 
> transom from his starboard locker. He’s not a big guy, but he can’t crawl 
> back between the propane locker and gas tank. He didn’t know there was a 
> rudder grease cap on the starboard side until I mentioned it to him. He had 
> to pack the cap somewhat blindly from the port side).  
> 
> 
> Again my thanks for your advice.
> 
> 
> David 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jeff Nelson 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 7:41 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1
> 
> 
> Yes, I built one for mine.  I made a mold out of plywood, fiberglassed 
> it.  I used a pre-made
> deck hatch like this one:
> 
> https://www.amazon.ca/Amarine-made-ACCESS-Marine-Caravan-White/dp/B06XW43PFP/ref=pd_lpo_200_img_2/143-2957886-3052127?_encoding=UTF8_rd_i=B06XW43PFP_rd_r=2479d6c9-6b49-4094-8f07-57eab3013810_rd_w=32BXM_rd_wg=3lgQ3_rd_p=256a14b6-93bc-4bcd-9f68-aea60d2878b9_rd_r=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF=1=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF
> 
> Which was just big enough for a 10 lb propane take and 3 singles to fit 
> in for the Barbie.
> I then just cut the hole and sealed hatch and fabricated box to locker.  
> I vented the bottom out the
> side (which I know is not really right as it will be under water on 1 
> tack)but so would aft on all tacks.
> 
> I can't remember the dimensions, but if you play around with some 
> plywood, tank and deck lid you
> can figure out the smallest dimension that will work for you.  I made the 
> lip about 2 inches to give lots of
> space to support it to the locker bottom.  Then some epoxy and screws to 
> ensure it stayed tight with no leaks.
> I think I dressed the inside of the lip with more fiberglass.  In theory 
> propane should never leak out the top
> anyway, assuming the vent in the bottom is blocked...but wanted to make 
> sure there were no leaks other than
> the vent that was supposed to drain away propane.
> 
> Hope this helps.  If I remember I can take some pics when I'm at the boat 
> next.
> 
> Cheers,
>Jeff Nelson
>Muir Caileag
>   C 30 Mk 1
>   0549 - 1979
> 
> On 2020-09-29 7:53 a.m., djmor...@djma-ltd.com 
> mailto:djmor...@djma-ltd.com wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > Any suggestions on how to best and, one hopes economically retrofit 
> > a 1975 C 30 MK1 for safe LPG storage? Off-the-shelf lockers start in the 
> > $1k range and would consume more of a cockpit locker than I’d prefer to 
> > surrender. I’ve yet to see an off-the-transom approach that doesn’t rob 
> > from the elegance of the boat’s design. I know the safety regs, my question 
> > is around physical space.  
> > 
> > 
> > David J. Morris, MBA
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Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

2020-09-29 Thread Ken Heaton 
Are you up to cutting a hole in one of the cockpit seats aft of the wheel
and building your own locker into that?  It is wasted space on the 35 Mk.1
as I remember.  You could put one of the skinny tanks in there I think,
with perhaps a cover made from the top you cut off the seat to make the
opening?  A 10 lb steel tank is only 9" in dia.

Ken H.

On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 07:53,  wrote:

> Any suggestions on how to best and, one hopes economically retrofit a 1975
> C 30 MK1 for safe LPG storage? Off-the-shelf lockers start in the $1k
> range and would consume more of a cockpit locker than I’d prefer to
> surrender. I’ve yet to see an off-the-transom approach that doesn’t rob
> from the elegance of the boat’s design. I know the safety regs, my question
> is around physical space.
>
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Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

2020-09-29 Thread djmorris 
Hi Jeff. Many thanks for taking the time to respond. May I ask where you
mounted the locker? 

 

A friend with a 1984 30 MK1 has his locker hanging between his starboard
cockpit locker and the transom, accessible from above (i.e. from the
cockpit), with a lid that looks very much like an anchor chain locker lid.
It looks like it was manufactured into the hull as opposed to being a
retrofit. It did occur to me to use one of the hatch covers like you
suggested, but my fabrication skills aren't such that I'd be able to fashion
the sort of drainage gutter like he has around the top of the propane locker
hatch. 

 

An interesting downside to my friend's setup is that he can't access the
transom from his starboard locker. He's not a big guy, but he can't crawl
back between the propane locker and gas tank. He didn't know there was a
rudder grease cap on the starboard side until I mentioned it to him. He had
to pack the cap somewhat blindly from the port side).  

 

Again my thanks for your advice.

 

David  

 

 

From: Jeff Nelson  
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 7:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

 

Yes, I built one for mine.  I made a mold out of plywood, fiberglassed it.
I used a pre-made
deck hatch like this one:
https://www.amazon.ca/Amarine-made-ACCESS-Marine-Caravan-White/dp/B06XW43PFP
/ref=pd_lpo_200_img_2/143-2957886-3052127?_encoding=UTF8
<https://www.amazon.ca/Amarine-made-ACCESS-Marine-Caravan-White/dp/B06XW43PF
P/ref=pd_lpo_200_img_2/143-2957886-3052127?_encoding=UTF8_rd_i=B06XW43PFP
_rd_r=2479d6c9-6b49-4094-8f07-57eab3013810_rd_w=32BXM_rd_wg=3lgQ3
f_rd_p=256a14b6-93bc-4bcd-9f68-aea60d2878b9_rd_r=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF
=1=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF>
_rd_i=B06XW43PFP_rd_r=2479d6c9-6b49-4094-8f07-57eab3013810_rd_w=32B
XM_rd_wg=3lgQ3_rd_p=256a14b6-93bc-4bcd-9f68-aea60d2878b9_rd_r=VN55R
5926N6HCE1GNETF=1=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF

Which was just big enough for a 10 lb propane take and 3 singles to fit in
for the Barbie.
I then just cut the hole and sealed hatch and fabricated box to locker.  I
vented the bottom out the 
side (which I know is not really right as it will be under water on 1
tack)but so would aft on all tacks.

I can't remember the dimensions, but if you play around with some plywood,
tank and deck lid you
can figure out the smallest dimension that will work for you.  I made the
lip about 2 inches to give lots of
space to support it to the locker bottom.  Then some epoxy and screws to
ensure it stayed tight with no leaks.
I think I dressed the inside of the lip with more fiberglass.  In theory
propane should never leak out the top
anyway, assuming the vent in the bottom is blocked...but wanted to make sure
there were no leaks other than
the vent that was supposed to drain away propane.

Hope this helps.  If I remember I can take some pics when I'm at the boat
next.

Cheers,
   Jeff Nelson
   Muir Caileag
  C 30 Mk 1 
  0549 - 1979

On 2020-09-29 7:53 a.m., djmor...@djma-ltd.com
<mailto:djmor...@djma-ltd.com>  wrote:

Any suggestions on how to best and, one hopes economically retrofit a 1975
C 30 MK1 for safe LPG storage? Off-the-shelf lockers start in the $1k
range and would consume more of a cockpit locker than I'd prefer to
surrender. I've yet to see an off-the-transom approach that doesn't rob from
the elegance of the boat's design. I know the safety regs, my question is
around physical space.  

 

David J. Morris, MBA
President, D.J. Morris & Associates Ltd.
24 St. Paul's Place, Kingston, ON  K7M 7S3

Tel. 613-531-4429
email:  <mailto:djmor...@djma-ltd.com> djmor...@djma-ltd.com
Member: Canadian Freelance Guild

Blogging at:  <http://davidmorrisjourneys.wordpress.com/>
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Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

2020-09-29 Thread pete.shelquist 
I'm not aware of what fuel source you have now, but have you considered CNG?
Sometimes a little harder to find a place to fill the tank, but would remove
the need for a separate locker. 

 

 

From: djmor...@djma-ltd.com  
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 5:53 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

 

Any suggestions on how to best and, one hopes economically retrofit a 1975
C 30 MK1 for safe LPG storage? Off-the-shelf lockers start in the $1k
range and would consume more of a cockpit locker than I'd prefer to
surrender. I've yet to see an off-the-transom approach that doesn't rob from
the elegance of the boat's design. I know the safety regs, my question is
around physical space.  

 

David J. Morris, MBA
President, D.J. Morris & Associates Ltd.
24 St. Paul's Place, Kingston, ON  K7M 7S3

Tel. 613-531-4429
email: djmor...@djma-ltd.com  
Member: Canadian Freelance Guild

Blogging at: http://davidmorrisjourneys.wordpress.com/

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Propane Locker - C 30 MK1

2020-09-29 Thread Jeff Nelson 
Yes, I built one for mine.  I made a mold out of plywood, fiberglassed 
it.  I used a pre-made

deck hatch like this one:
https://www.amazon.ca/Amarine-made-ACCESS-Marine-Caravan-White/dp/B06XW43PFP/ref=pd_lpo_200_img_2/143-2957886-3052127?_encoding=UTF8_rd_i=B06XW43PFP_rd_r=2479d6c9-6b49-4094-8f07-57eab3013810_rd_w=32BXM_rd_wg=3lgQ3_rd_p=256a14b6-93bc-4bcd-9f68-aea60d2878b9_rd_r=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF=1=VN55R5926N6HCE1GNETF

Which was just big enough for a 10 lb propane take and 3 singles to fit 
in for the Barbie.
I then just cut the hole and sealed hatch and fabricated box to locker.  
I vented the bottom out the
side (which I know is not really right as it will be under water on 1 
tack)but so would aft on all tacks.


I can't remember the dimensions, but if you play around with some 
plywood, tank and deck lid you
can figure out the smallest dimension that will work for you.  I made 
the lip about 2 inches to give lots of
space to support it to the locker bottom.  Then some epoxy and screws to 
ensure it stayed tight with no leaks.
I think I dressed the inside of the lip with more fiberglass.  In theory 
propane should never leak out the top
anyway, assuming the vent in the bottom is blocked...but wanted to make 
sure there were no leaks other than

the vent that was supposed to drain away propane.

Hope this helps.  If I remember I can take some pics when I'm at the 
boat next.


Cheers,
   Jeff Nelson
   Muir Caileag
  C 30 Mk 1
  0549 - 1979
On 2020-09-29 7:53 a.m., djmor...@djma-ltd.com wrote:


Any suggestions on how to best and, one hopes economically retrofit a 
1975 C 30 MK1 for safe LPG storage? Off-the-shelf lockers start in 
the $1k range and would consume more of a cockpit locker than I’d 
prefer to surrender. I’ve yet to see an off-the-transom approach that 
doesn’t rob from the elegance of the boat’s design. I know the safety 
regs, my question is around physical space.


David J. Morris, MBA
President, D.J. Morris & Associates Ltd.
24 St. Paul’s Place, Kingston, ON  K7M 7S3**

Tel. 613-531-4429
email: djmor...@djma-ltd.com 
Member: Canadian Freelance Guild

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