Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
Gary, I have a rebuilt Yanmar 3QM30 in my 81 LF38. The 3QM30 has about 5 extra HP than the newer Yanmar 3YM30, but I have found that the 3QM30 had more than enough power and extra to spare. A new 3YM30 was recommended by Yanmar as a replacement a few years back when I rebuilt the 3QM30. I don’t know about the Perkins, but the Yanmar was a reasonable DIY rebuild. Mine cost under $2,000. See: http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/EngineWork <http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/EngineWork> As for a prop, I have a Martec Eliptec folding propeller. It came original to me, and has been working fine. They are no longer made, but here are the marking on the prop. ELIPTEC LH18DX14P - 3" and "1-1/8” shaft. Paul - Paul E. 1981 C Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Fort Walton Beach, FL http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ > On Jun 30, 2020, at 2:33 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Gary Niemi via CnC-List > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:55 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Gary Niemi > Subject: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 > > > > We are American expatriates who have sailed our 1981 C Landfall 38 to New > Zealand a decade ago. It has a Perkins 4-108, which is on its last legs. It's > not particularly reliable and is having trouble with overheating in the last > few years. Also, it's very heavy and it is way too much power anyway. We're > looking to replace it with a more reliable, modern power plant. > > > > So we have a couple of questions: > > > > What is the correct power? I understand most were sold with Yanmer 30hp 3HM > or 3QM diesels. We like the idea of saving a lot of weight with a smaller > engine than the Perkins, as well as ease of access, etc. However, we'd > consider a 35 or 38 also if 30 horsepower wasn't enough power. > > > > At the same time we'll be replacing the fixed 2 blade prop with a 3 blade > feathering or folding prop, so will be looking for recommendations for that. > The current prop is totally wrong. I think it's 16x14. We never were able to > get up to the proper engine speed with the 4-108. Can you recommend > something? What have people tried? > > > > Interested in hearing others' experiences. > > > > Gary Niemi > g...@niemi.co.nz <mailto:g...@niemi.co.nz> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
Actually there are five Kubota dealers in the Caribbean On 6/30/20 2:33 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List wrote: You won’t see any Kubota tractor dealers in the Bahamas or the Caribbean... Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the ICW in between) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com email: dainyr...@icloud.com On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: Jeeze Bob, Sorry, I didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers, I was just relaying what this long time owner of a neighboring C said. He didn’t have the same top end in big waves as he had before the repower. And As David mentioned, you can get parts for Beta’s anywhere they sell Kubota Tractors, which is everywhere in the world.. My 37.5 HP is the same engine as my Mower, minus one Cylinder, so I could use the same Oil, filters, injectors, etc . Bill Coleman *From:*Robert Boyer [mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2020 1:06 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Bill Coleman *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 I have all the power I need with my new Yanmar 3YM30AE. I’m not sure where you are getting your information that you need more than 30 HP. One big disadvantage of Beta is that there are not nearly as many parts distributors—this is more important if you cruise to foreign ports. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com Email: dainyr...@icloud.com Annapolis, MD (Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer) On Jun 26, 2020, at 12:23 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: I agree, get yourself a nice Beta 37 ½ HP diesel, and a 3 blade flex-a – fold. I replaced a 4-108 with one of those Kubota’s, the mounting was about 2 inches narrower, I just had to get some 3” aluminum (or maybe 4”) angle to replace the old steel angle. You will be amazed at how much lighter it is from the Perkins. An old slip neighbor also had a 39, he replaced his atomic with a 30 HP Yanmar, and was disappointed with the loss in power. But it will still get you from A to B. Bill Coleman *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary Niemi via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:55 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Gary Niemi *Subject:* Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 We are American expatriates who have sailed our 1981 C Landfall 38 to New Zealand a decade ago. It has a Perkins 4-108, which is on its last legs. It's not particularly reliable and is having trouble with overheating in the last few years. Also, it's very heavy and it is way too much power anyway. We're looking to replace it with a more reliable, modern power plant. So we have a couple of questions: What is the correct power? I understand most were sold with Yanmer 30hp 3HM or 3QM diesels. We like the idea of saving a lot of weight with a smaller engine than the Perkins, as well as ease of access, etc. However, we'd consider a 35 or 38 also if 30 horsepower wasn't enough power. At the same time we'll be replacing the fixed 2 blade prop with a 3 blade feathering or folding prop, so will be looking for recommendations for that. The current prop is totally wrong. I think it's 16x14. We never were able to get up to the proper engine speed with the 4-108. Can you recommend something? What have people tried? Interested in hearing others' experiences. Gary Niemi g...@niemi.co.nz <mailto:g...@niemi.co.nz> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
I've had an Atomic 4 for 20 years and a Yanmar 3JH2E in a different boat for 4. The Atomic 4 is definitely quieter, and as long as you take care of it (which is easy since you are on fresh water), I'd keep the A-4. That's presuming you've gone to the electronic ignition and done basic maintenance.Those who talk about Atomic Bombs, gasoline hazards, etc. just simply go too far IMHO.Sent from Samsung tablet. null___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
Oh? http://en.locator.engine.kubota.co.jp/map#Caribbean How about: Parts & Power Ltd. PO Box 850 Road Town, Tortola British Virgin Islands, VG1110 Tel: +1(284)494-2830 Fax: +1(284)494-6972 i...@partsandpower.com https://www.partsandpower.com/manufacturers_kubota.php On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 15:33, Robert Boyer via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > You won’t see any Kubota tractor dealers in the Bahamas or the Caribbean... > > Bob Boyer > s/v Rainy Days > C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) > (Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on > the ICW in between) > blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com > email: dainyr...@icloud.com > > On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > Jeeze Bob, Sorry, I didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers, I was just > relaying what this long time owner of a neighboring C said. He didn’t > have the same top end in big waves as he had before the repower. And As > David mentioned, you can get parts for Beta’s anywhere they sell Kubota > Tractors, which is everywhere in the world.. My 37.5 HP is the same > engine as my Mower, minus one Cylinder, so I could use the same Oil, > filters, injectors, etc . > > > > Bill Coleman > > > > *From:* Robert Boyer [mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com] > *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2020 1:06 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Bill Coleman > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 > > > > I have all the power I need with my new Yanmar 3YM30AE. I’m not sure > where you are getting your information that you need more than 30 HP. > > > > One big disadvantage of Beta is that there are not nearly as many parts > distributors—this is more important if you cruise to foreign ports. > > > > Bob > > Bob Boyer > > S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230) > > Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com > > Email: dainyr...@icloud.com > > Annapolis, MD > > (Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer) > > > > On Jun 26, 2020, at 12:23 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > I agree, get yourself a nice Beta 37 ½ HP diesel, and a 3 blade flex-a – > fold. I replaced a 4-108 with one of those Kubota’s, the mounting was > about 2 inches narrower, I just had to get some 3” aluminum (or maybe 4”) > angle to replace the old steel angle. You will be amazed at how much > lighter it is from the Perkins. > > An old slip neighbor also had a 39, he replaced his atomic with a 30 HP > Yanmar, and was disappointed with the loss in power. But it will still get > you from A to B. > > > > > > Bill Coleman > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary > Niemi via CnC-List > *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:55 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Gary Niemi > *Subject:* Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 > > > > We are American expatriates who have sailed our 1981 C Landfall 38 to > New Zealand a decade ago. It has a Perkins 4-108, which is on its last > legs. It's not particularly reliable and is having trouble with overheating > in the last few years. Also, it's very heavy and it is way too much power > anyway. We're looking to replace it with a more reliable, modern power > plant. > > > > So we have a couple of questions: > > > > What is the correct power? I understand most were sold with Yanmer 30hp > 3HM or 3QM diesels. We like the idea of saving a lot of weight with a > smaller engine than the Perkins, as well as ease of access, etc. However, > we'd consider a 35 or 38 also if 30 horsepower wasn't enough power. > > > > At the same time we'll be replacing the fixed 2 blade prop with a 3 blade > feathering or folding prop, so will be looking for recommendations for > that. The current prop is totally wrong. I think it's 16x14. We never > were able to get up to the proper engine speed with the 4-108. Can you > recommend something? What have people tried? > > > > Interested in hearing others' experiences. > > > > Gary Niemi > g...@niemi.co.nz > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution --
Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
Your Atomic Four in good shape will attract a buyer. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 30, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Bailey White via CnC-List > wrote: > > > I have a little envy of diesel boats as I have a 36 with atomic four and a > reversing gear that has been a challenge for two years. I've found the issue > after working with a local mechanic, but it looks like it will require the > engine to be pulled to fully correct. At least I have learned to dock and > pick up moorings well, but it is not recommended. > > We may have a workaround shortly, but it has made me think of moving to > something like a used 30GM Yanmar. Besides cost and my interest to spend on > sails instead, my other hesitancy is noise and vibration. I sail on Lake > Lanier in Georgia, so fuel efficiency is not a concern as I can't travel all > that far. The atomic four is pretty pleasant to cruise on a windless day, > and I wonder how much louder and more vibration a diesel would bring. > > Bailey White > 1979 C 36 > Atlanta, GA > > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
You won’t see any Kubota tractor dealers in the Bahamas or the Caribbean... Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the ICW in between) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com email: dainyr...@icloud.com > On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List > wrote: > > > Jeeze Bob, Sorry, I didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers, I was just relaying > what this long time owner of a neighboring C said. He didn’t have the > same top end in big waves as he had before the repower. And As David > mentioned, you can get parts for Beta’s anywhere they sell Kubota Tractors, > which is everywhere in the world.. My 37.5 HP is the same engine as my > Mower, minus one Cylinder, so I could use the same Oil, filters, injectors, > etc . > > Bill Coleman > > From: Robert Boyer [mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com] > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 1:06 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Bill Coleman > Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 > > I have all the power I need with my new Yanmar 3YM30AE. I’m not sure where > you are getting your information that you need more than 30 HP. > > One big disadvantage of Beta is that there are not nearly as many parts > distributors—this is more important if you cruise to foreign ports. > > Bob > > Bob Boyer > S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230) > Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com > Email: dainyr...@icloud.com > Annapolis, MD > (Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer) > > > On Jun 26, 2020, at 12:23 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List > wrote: > > > I agree, get yourself a nice Beta 37 ½ HP diesel, and a 3 blade flex-a – > fold. I replaced a 4-108 with one of those Kubota’s, the mounting was about > 2 inches narrower, I just had to get some 3” aluminum (or maybe 4”) angle to > replace the old steel angle. You will be amazed at how much lighter it is > from the Perkins. > An old slip neighbor also had a 39, he replaced his atomic with a 30 HP > Yanmar, and was disappointed with the loss in power. But it will still get > you from A to B. > > > Bill Coleman > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Niemi > via CnC-List > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:55 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Gary Niemi > Subject: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 > > We are American expatriates who have sailed our 1981 C Landfall 38 to New > Zealand a decade ago. It has a Perkins 4-108, which is on its last legs. It's > not particularly reliable and is having trouble with overheating in the last > few years. Also, it's very heavy and it is way too much power anyway. We're > looking to replace it with a more reliable, modern power plant. > > So we have a couple of questions: > > What is the correct power? I understand most were sold with Yanmer 30hp 3HM > or 3QM diesels. We like the idea of saving a lot of weight with a smaller > engine than the Perkins, as well as ease of access, etc. However, we'd > consider a 35 or 38 also if 30 horsepower wasn't enough power. > > At the same time we'll be replacing the fixed 2 blade prop with a 3 blade > feathering or folding prop, so will be looking for recommendations for that. > The current prop is totally wrong. I think it's 16x14. We never were able to > get up to the proper engine speed with the 4-108. Can you recommend > something? What have people tried? > > Interested in hearing others' experiences. > > Gary Niemi > g...@niemi.co.nz > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
I have a little envy of diesel boats as I have a 36 with atomic four and a reversing gear that has been a challenge for two years. I've found the issue after working with a local mechanic, but it looks like it will require the engine to be pulled to fully correct. At least I have learned to dock and pick up moorings well, but it is not recommended. We may have a workaround shortly, but it has made me think of moving to something like a used 30GM Yanmar. Besides cost and my interest to spend on sails instead, my other hesitancy is noise and vibration. I sail on Lake Lanier in Georgia, so fuel efficiency is not a concern as I can't travel all that far. The atomic four is pretty pleasant to cruise on a windless day, and I wonder how much louder and more vibration a diesel would bring. Bailey White 1979 C 36 Atlanta, GA ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
The Beta philosophy is that you DON’T need their dealers for parts. They are selling razors, not the blades like Yanmar or Volvo. Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I www.dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 1:54 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bill Coleman Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 Jeeze Bob, Sorry, I didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers, I was just relaying what this long time owner of a neighboring C said. He didn’t have the same top end in big waves as he had before the repower. And As David mentioned, you can get parts for Beta’s anywhere they sell Kubota Tractors, which is everywhere in the world.. My 37.5 HP is the same engine as my Mower, minus one Cylinder, so I could use the same Oil, filters, injectors, etc . Bill Coleman to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
Jeeze Bob, Sorry, I didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers, I was just relaying what this long time owner of a neighboring C said. He didn’t have the same top end in big waves as he had before the repower. And As David mentioned, you can get parts for Beta’s anywhere they sell Kubota Tractors, which is everywhere in the world.. My 37.5 HP is the same engine as my Mower, minus one Cylinder, so I could use the same Oil, filters, injectors, etc . Bill Coleman From: Robert Boyer [mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 1:06 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bill Coleman Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 I have all the power I need with my new Yanmar 3YM30AE. I’m not sure where you are getting your information that you need more than 30 HP. One big disadvantage of Beta is that there are not nearly as many parts distributors—this is more important if you cruise to foreign ports. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com Email: dainyr...@icloud.com Annapolis, MD (Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer) On Jun 26, 2020, at 12:23 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: I agree, get yourself a nice Beta 37 ½ HP diesel, and a 3 blade flex-a – fold. I replaced a 4-108 with one of those Kubota’s, the mounting was about 2 inches narrower, I just had to get some 3” aluminum (or maybe 4”) angle to replace the old steel angle. You will be amazed at how much lighter it is from the Perkins. An old slip neighbor also had a 39, he replaced his atomic with a 30 HP Yanmar, and was disappointed with the loss in power. But it will still get you from A to B. Bill Coleman From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Niemi via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:55 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Gary Niemi Subject: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 We are American expatriates who have sailed our 1981 C Landfall 38 to New Zealand a decade ago. It has a Perkins 4-108, which is on its last legs. It's not particularly reliable and is having trouble with overheating in the last few years. Also, it's very heavy and it is way too much power anyway. We're looking to replace it with a more reliable, modern power plant. So we have a couple of questions: What is the correct power? I understand most were sold with Yanmer 30hp 3HM or 3QM diesels. We like the idea of saving a lot of weight with a smaller engine than the Perkins, as well as ease of access, etc. However, we'd consider a 35 or 38 also if 30 horsepower wasn't enough power. At the same time we'll be replacing the fixed 2 blade prop with a 3 blade feathering or folding prop, so will be looking for recommendations for that. The current prop is totally wrong. I think it's 16x14. We never were able to get up to the proper engine speed with the 4-108. Can you recommend something? What have people tried? Interested in hearing others' experiences. Gary Niemi g...@niemi.co.nz ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
My Universal is a Kubota diesel that has been marinized, Like a Beta. I’ve discovered that almost anything that is not a specific part of the conversion (like the raw water pump or the heat exchanger) is pretty much available from a Kubota tractor dealer – and there are a lot of them. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Boyer via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 1:06 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Robert Boyer Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 I have all the power I need with my new Yanmar 3YM30AE. I’m not sure where you are getting your information that you need more than 30 HP. One big disadvantage of Beta is that there are not nearly as many parts distributors—this is more important if you cruise to foreign ports. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com Email: dainyr...@icloud.com <mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com> Annapolis, MD (Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer) On Jun 26, 2020, at 12:23 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: I agree, get yourself a nice Beta 37 ½ HP diesel, and a 3 blade flex-a – fold. I replaced a 4-108 with one of those Kubota’s, the mounting was about 2 inches narrower, I just had to get some 3” aluminum (or maybe 4”) angle to replace the old steel angle. You will be amazed at how much lighter it is from the Perkins. An old slip neighbor also had a 39, he replaced his atomic with a 30 HP Yanmar, and was disappointed with the loss in power. But it will still get you from A to B. Bill Coleman From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Niemi via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:55 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Gary Niemi Subject: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 We are American expatriates who have sailed our 1981 C Landfall 38 to New Zealand a decade ago. It has a Perkins 4-108, which is on its last legs. It's not particularly reliable and is having trouble with overheating in the last few years. Also, it's very heavy and it is way too much power anyway. We're looking to replace it with a more reliable, modern power plant. So we have a couple of questions: What is the correct power? I understand most were sold with Yanmer 30hp 3HM or 3QM diesels. We like the idea of saving a lot of weight with a smaller engine than the Perkins, as well as ease of access, etc. However, we'd consider a 35 or 38 also if 30 horsepower wasn't enough power. At the same time we'll be replacing the fixed 2 blade prop with a 3 blade feathering or folding prop, so will be looking for recommendations for that. The current prop is totally wrong. I think it's 16x14. We never were able to get up to the proper engine speed with the 4-108. Can you recommend something? What have people tried? Interested in hearing others' experiences. Gary Niemi g...@niemi.co.nz <mailto:g...@niemi.co.nz> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
If you decide togo with a Beta you should think about getting the prop from them too. Beta sells the 'J' Prop, bronze three blade feathering prop, made in Italy. The pitch is adjustable (for fine tuning) with the prop installed and the boat in the water. A great product. We've had one on our boat with zero issues for over 12 years now. On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 14:46, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > From everything I have seen, the Beta Marine engines are a great option. > One of the biggest problems with engine replacement is getting the bedding > correct. Beta addresses this by designing mounts that are designed to be > like for like with popular counterparts such as Yanmar and Universal. From > what I recall the price is about half that of a Yanmar and without the cost > of a re-bed the Beta is very competitively priced. I have a 30Hp Yanmar > 3HM35F in my 37+ (40 ft) and often feel like it might be a little anemic. > I would avoid turbo charged versions if at all possible. > > As for a feathering prop I have one (Max Prop). I like the engineering > but if doing the annual maintenance is something you would rather avoid > then a fixed prop might be a better choice. A fixed pitch prop requires a > transmission that can freewheel/waterwheel or has a shaft break. Check > with each manufacturer. The nice thing about the max prop or similar is > that if you find that the boat is over pitched or under pitched you can > adjust (not on the fly). The new max props can be adjusted by a diver in > the water, older style require a haul out. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 07:48 David Risch via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Repowered my old Bristol with a Beta. Kubota based engine with parts >> available all over the world inexpensively and was designed to be serviced >> easily (e.g. built in oil pump). Great engine and great service by Beta. >> Go with 38. Can upgrade your alternator and extra torque in a sloppy sea >> when you need it. You will love a feathering prop. >> >> >> >> *David F. Risch* >> >> *(401) 419-4650* >> >> >> >> *From:* CnC-List *On Behalf Of *Gary >> Niemi via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:55 PM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Cc:* Gary Niemi >> *Subject:* Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 >> >> >> >> We are American expatriates who have sailed our 1981 C Landfall 38 to >> New Zealand a decade ago. It has a Perkins 4-108, which is on its last >> legs. It's not particularly reliable and is having trouble with overheating >> in the last few years. Also, it's very heavy and it is way too much power >> anyway. We're looking to replace it with a more reliable, modern power >> plant. >> >> >> >> So we have a couple of questions: >> >> >> >> What is the correct power? I understand most were sold with Yanmer 30hp >> 3HM or 3QM diesels. We like the idea of saving a lot of weight with a >> smaller engine than the Perkins, as well as ease of access, etc. However, >> we'd consider a 35 or 38 also if 30 horsepower wasn't enough power. >> >> >> >> At the same time we'll be replacing the fixed 2 blade prop with a 3 >> blade feathering or folding prop, so will be looking for recommendations >> for that. The current prop is totally wrong. I think it's 16x14. We >> never were able to get up to the proper engine speed with the 4-108. Can >> you recommend something? What have people tried? >> >> >> >> Interested in hearing others' experiences. >> >> >> >> Gary Niemi >> g...@niemi.co.nz >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin S/V Salazar - Can 54955 C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia C 37/40 XL Salazar <https://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/salazar.html> -- "Nice? It's the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward for his stroke. "Believe me, my young friend,
Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
>From everything I have seen, the Beta Marine engines are a great option. One of the biggest problems with engine replacement is getting the bedding correct. Beta addresses this by designing mounts that are designed to be like for like with popular counterparts such as Yanmar and Universal. From what I recall the price is about half that of a Yanmar and without the cost of a re-bed the Beta is very competitively priced. I have a 30Hp Yanmar 3HM35F in my 37+ (40 ft) and often feel like it might be a little anemic. I would avoid turbo charged versions if at all possible. As for a feathering prop I have one (Max Prop). I like the engineering but if doing the annual maintenance is something you would rather avoid then a fixed prop might be a better choice. A fixed pitch prop requires a transmission that can freewheel/waterwheel or has a shaft break. Check with each manufacturer. The nice thing about the max prop or similar is that if you find that the boat is over pitched or under pitched you can adjust (not on the fly). The new max props can be adjusted by a diver in the water, older style require a haul out. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 07:48 David Risch via CnC-List wrote: > Repowered my old Bristol with a Beta. Kubota based engine with parts > available all over the world inexpensively and was designed to be serviced > easily (e.g. built in oil pump). Great engine and great service by Beta. > Go with 38. Can upgrade your alternator and extra torque in a sloppy sea > when you need it. You will love a feathering prop. > > > > *David F. Risch* > > *(401) 419-4650* > > > > *From:* CnC-List *On Behalf Of *Gary > Niemi via CnC-List > *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:55 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Gary Niemi > *Subject:* Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 > > > > We are American expatriates who have sailed our 1981 C Landfall 38 to > New Zealand a decade ago. It has a Perkins 4-108, which is on its last > legs. It's not particularly reliable and is having trouble with overheating > in the last few years. Also, it's very heavy and it is way too much power > anyway. We're looking to replace it with a more reliable, modern power > plant. > > > > So we have a couple of questions: > > > > What is the correct power? I understand most were sold with Yanmer 30hp > 3HM or 3QM diesels. We like the idea of saving a lot of weight with a > smaller engine than the Perkins, as well as ease of access, etc. However, > we'd consider a 35 or 38 also if 30 horsepower wasn't enough power. > > > > At the same time we'll be replacing the fixed 2 blade prop with a 3 blade > feathering or folding prop, so will be looking for recommendations for > that. The current prop is totally wrong. I think it's 16x14. We never > were able to get up to the proper engine speed with the 4-108. Can you > recommend something? What have people tried? > > > > Interested in hearing others' experiences. > > > > Gary Niemi > g...@niemi.co.nz > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
I have all the power I need with my new Yanmar 3YM30AE. I’m not sure where you are getting your information that you need more than 30 HP. One big disadvantage of Beta is that there are not nearly as many parts distributors—this is more important if you cruise to foreign ports. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com Email: dainyr...@icloud.com Annapolis, MD (Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer) > On Jun 26, 2020, at 12:23 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List > wrote: > > > I agree, get yourself a nice Beta 37 ½ HP diesel, and a 3 blade flex-a – > fold. I replaced a 4-108 with one of those Kubota’s, the mounting was about > 2 inches narrower, I just had to get some 3” aluminum (or maybe 4”) angle to > replace the old steel angle. You will be amazed at how much lighter it is > from the Perkins. > An old slip neighbor also had a 39, he replaced his atomic with a 30 HP > Yanmar, and was disappointed with the loss in power. But it will still get > you from A to B. > > > Bill Coleman > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Niemi > via CnC-List > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:55 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Gary Niemi > Subject: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 > > We are American expatriates who have sailed our 1981 C Landfall 38 to New > Zealand a decade ago. It has a Perkins 4-108, which is on its last legs. It's > not particularly reliable and is having trouble with overheating in the last > few years. Also, it's very heavy and it is way too much power anyway. We're > looking to replace it with a more reliable, modern power plant. > > So we have a couple of questions: > > What is the correct power? I understand most were sold with Yanmer 30hp 3HM > or 3QM diesels. We like the idea of saving a lot of weight with a smaller > engine than the Perkins, as well as ease of access, etc. However, we'd > consider a 35 or 38 also if 30 horsepower wasn't enough power. > > At the same time we'll be replacing the fixed 2 blade prop with a 3 blade > feathering or folding prop, so will be looking for recommendations for that. > The current prop is totally wrong. I think it's 16x14. We never were able to > get up to the proper engine speed with the 4-108. Can you recommend > something? What have people tried? > > Interested in hearing others' experiences. > > Gary Niemi > g...@niemi.co.nz > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
I agree, get yourself a nice Beta 37 ½ HP diesel, and a 3 blade flex-a – fold. I replaced a 4-108 with one of those Kubota’s, the mounting was about 2 inches narrower, I just had to get some 3” aluminum (or maybe 4”) angle to replace the old steel angle. You will be amazed at how much lighter it is from the Perkins. An old slip neighbor also had a 39, he replaced his atomic with a 30 HP Yanmar, and was disappointed with the loss in power. But it will still get you from A to B. Bill Coleman From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Niemi via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:55 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Gary Niemi Subject: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 We are American expatriates who have sailed our 1981 C Landfall 38 to New Zealand a decade ago. It has a Perkins 4-108, which is on its last legs. It's not particularly reliable and is having trouble with overheating in the last few years. Also, it's very heavy and it is way too much power anyway. We're looking to replace it with a more reliable, modern power plant. So we have a couple of questions: What is the correct power? I understand most were sold with Yanmer 30hp 3HM or 3QM diesels. We like the idea of saving a lot of weight with a smaller engine than the Perkins, as well as ease of access, etc. However, we'd consider a 35 or 38 also if 30 horsepower wasn't enough power. At the same time we'll be replacing the fixed 2 blade prop with a 3 blade feathering or folding prop, so will be looking for recommendations for that. The current prop is totally wrong. I think it's 16x14. We never were able to get up to the proper engine speed with the 4-108. Can you recommend something? What have people tried? Interested in hearing others' experiences. Gary Niemi g...@niemi.co.nz ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
Repowered my old Bristol with a Beta. Kubota based engine with parts available all over the world inexpensively and was designed to be serviced easily (e.g. built in oil pump). Great engine and great service by Beta. Go with 38. Can upgrade your alternator and extra torque in a sloppy sea when you need it. You will love a feathering prop. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Gary Niemi via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:55 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Gary Niemi Subject: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38 We are American expatriates who have sailed our 1981 C Landfall 38 to New Zealand a decade ago. It has a Perkins 4-108, which is on its last legs. It's not particularly reliable and is having trouble with overheating in the last few years. Also, it's very heavy and it is way too much power anyway. We're looking to replace it with a more reliable, modern power plant. So we have a couple of questions: What is the correct power? I understand most were sold with Yanmer 30hp 3HM or 3QM diesels. We like the idea of saving a lot of weight with a smaller engine than the Perkins, as well as ease of access, etc. However, we'd consider a 35 or 38 also if 30 horsepower wasn't enough power. At the same time we'll be replacing the fixed 2 blade prop with a 3 blade feathering or folding prop, so will be looking for recommendations for that. The current prop is totally wrong. I think it's 16x14. We never were able to get up to the proper engine speed with the 4-108. Can you recommend something? What have people tried? Interested in hearing others' experiences. Gary Niemi g...@niemi.co.nz<mailto:g...@niemi.co.nz> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
About 5 years ago I repowered with a Yanmar 3YM30AE which is a 30 HP engine and weighs much less and is quieter than than the previous 3HMF. I changed to a 3-blade fixed prop (16 x 13) and it is a good match. I would make the same change all over again if I was faced with the same situation. Good luck! Bob Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the ICW in between) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com email: dainyr...@icloud.com > On Jun 25, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Gary Niemi via CnC-List > wrote: > > > We are American expatriates who have sailed our 1981 C Landfall 38 to New > Zealand a decade ago. It has a Perkins 4-108, which is on its last legs. It's > not particularly reliable and is having trouble with overheating in the last > few years. Also, it's very heavy and it is way too much power anyway. We're > looking to replace it with a more reliable, modern power plant. > > So we have a couple of questions: > > What is the correct power? I understand most were sold with Yanmer 30hp 3HM > or 3QM diesels. We like the idea of saving a lot of weight with a smaller > engine than the Perkins, as well as ease of access, etc. However, we'd > consider a 35 or 38 also if 30 horsepower wasn't enough power. > > At the same time we'll be replacing the fixed 2 blade prop with a 3 blade > feathering or folding prop, so will be looking for recommendations for that. > The current prop is totally wrong. I think it's 16x14. We never were able to > get up to the proper engine speed with the 4-108. Can you recommend > something? What have people tried? > > Interested in hearing others' experiences. > > Gary Niemi > g...@niemi.co.nz > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Re-power and prop for 1981 C Landfall 38
We are American expatriates who have sailed our 1981 C Landfall 38 to New Zealand a decade ago. It has a Perkins 4-108, which is on its last legs. It's not particularly reliable and is having trouble with overheating in the last few years. Also, it's very heavy and it is way too much power anyway. We're looking to replace it with a more reliable, modern power plant. So we have a couple of questions: What is the correct power? I understand most were sold with Yanmer 30hp 3HM or 3QM diesels. We like the idea of saving a lot of weight with a smaller engine than the Perkins, as well as ease of access, etc. However, we'd consider a 35 or 38 also if 30 horsepower wasn't enough power. At the same time we'll be replacing the fixed 2 blade prop with a 3 blade feathering or folding prop, so will be looking for recommendations for that. The current prop is totally wrong. I think it's 16x14. We never were able to get up to the proper engine speed with the 4-108. Can you recommend something? What have people tried? Interested in hearing others' experiences. Gary Niemi g...@niemi.co.nz ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
