Re: Stus-List Update to Broken Mast

[Bruce Pope via CnC-List]

When a friend dismasted his Catalina 28 the insurance company offered basically 
the same thing.  He found and modified the rigging of a mast that came off (I 
think) a J24 or J29 at a huge discount to new.  He used the rest of the money 
to have a professional glass monkey fix issues relating to the dismasting and 
had a ton of other work done - all buried within the repair bill.

The trick was finding a suitable used mast.   I searched Kijiji for 'Masts' in 
British Columbia and found this.  Ironically this is about a 30 minute drive 
from my home.


http://www.kijiji.ca/v-boat-parts-trailer-accessories/cranbrook/sailboat-sails-mast-anchors-and-more/1275079682?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

[https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/oHsAAOSwXXxZSefO/$_20.JPG]<http://www.kijiji.ca/v-boat-parts-trailer-accessories/cranbrook/sailboat-sails-mast-anchors-and-more/1275079682?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true>

Sailboat sails,mast, anchors and more | parts, trailers, accessories | 
Cranbrook | 
Kijiji<http://www.kijiji.ca/v-boat-parts-trailer-accessories/cranbrook/sailboat-sails-mast-anchors-and-more/1275079682?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true>
www.kijiji.ca
mast, anchors, bumpers and sails. all off a 34 foot coronado. make me an offer. 
all in good shape. lots of other bits and pieces.







From: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com>
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:14 AM
To: Dave S via CnC-List
Subject: Re: Stus-List Update to Broken Mast


have you considered looking for a used mast?

Danny

On 7/14/2017 12:09 PM, Dave S via CnC-List wrote:
Curious - any idea yet as to cost of standing rigging and mast?
Tx.
Dave - 33-2.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:55 PM, schiller 
<schil...@bloomingdalecom.net<mailto:schil...@bloomingdalecom.net>> wrote:

Corsair is out of the water and safely on her cradle.

I met with the Torresen Service Representative and the Insurance Adjuster 
yesterday.  Autoowners has stated they will authorize repair up to the agreed 
to value of the boat ($24,000).  Torresens is starting the estimating process.  
They are leaning the new mast approach.  The break is pretty rough, so a repair 
might need to shorten the mast at least a little.

Right now, the list of known items is:
Mast
Head Stay (we had to cut it to get the rig stabilized)
Bulkhead Repair
Wind instrument head
Navigation/Anchor/Strobe Light
Main Sail Track (mine was external T track)
Repair Jib (we had to cut the #6 luff tape off to get Jib off)
Repair Main (we had to cut slides off to get main stowed)
Roller Furler (my Harken MK III foils may not be available.  The furler is OK).

Separate from the insurance claim, I will have them reinforce the port upper 
chain plate and the mast collar didn't separate from the Spartite when they 
pulled the mast.  It appears that there is some wet core around the partners.  
I have them dig out the wet stuff and fill it with epoxy.

I'll keep the list informed as to resolution.

Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C 35, Mark I)
"Corsair"
being repaired in Muskegon, Michigan.



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Re: Stus-List Update to Broken Mast

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

I never lost possession of the boat and nothing was stripped.
Dave.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 9:13 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ve heard this as well — except usually the insurance company sells it to a 
> salvage company first, who then strips out anything of value to sell 
> separately. What you buy back will be without winches, electronics, sails, 
> etc. 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:37 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have heard anecdotally that you can have her totaled and buy her back from 
>> the insurance company at cents on the dollar?
>> 
>> 
>> From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of schiller via 
>> CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:32 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: schiller
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Update to Broken Mast
>>  
>> I'll keep that in mind but in the 22 years that we have had Corsair we have 
>> completely rewired her, repowered with a Universal M-25XPB engine (132 
>> hours), Roller Furling, new cushions, refrigeration, wheel pilot, ST60 
>> instrumentation, second battery bank.
>> 
>> If they can fix her, we'll keep her.
>> 
>> Neil Schiller
>> 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
>> (C 35, Mark I)
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/13/2017 5:53 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Why bother unless you have a new diesel.   You can buy a replacement in 
>>>> good condition for half that.  
>>>> Jerry 
>>>> http://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/65970
>>>> C 35 MK II sailboat for sale in Michigan
>>>> m.sailboatlistings.com
>>>> 35' C 35 MK II sailboat for sale in St Clair Shores MI - Jefferson Beach 
>>>> Marina Michigan
>>>> 35' C 35 MK II 
>>>> 
>>>> Year   
>>>>Length   
>>>> 35 Beam   
>>>> 11 Draft   
>>>> 5'6Asking 
>>>> $14,000  
>>>> 
>>>> Description:
>>>> Located in St Clair Shores MI - Jefferson Beach Marina Michigan 
>>>> This Coast Guard documented vessel is in great condition, and priced to 
>>>> sell. The owners, past and present have take really good care of it. The 
>>>> interior cushions are new and the engine and sails are in good condition 
>>>> as well. It has two and a half births. One is closed off and private. If 
>>>> you need more photo's or would like to come out to see it, just let me 
>>>> know.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:55 PM, schiller via CnC-List 
>>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Corsair is out of the water and safely on her cradle.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Update to Broken Mast

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yup.  Buddy of mine did that after his J30 got T-boned.  Downside is if the
boat is USCG documented, it will probably show up on the abstract of title
and you then own a totaled boat.  Might be harder to sell.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:37 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I have heard anecdotally that you can have her totaled and buy her back
> from the insurance company at cents on the dollar?
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Update to Broken Mast

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

I’ve heard this as well — except usually the insurance company sells it to a 
salvage company first, who then strips out anything of value to sell 
separately. What you buy back will be without winches, electronics, sails, etc. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 









> On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:37 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I have heard anecdotally that you can have her totaled and buy her back from 
> the insurance company at cents on the dollar?
> 
> 
> From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf of schiller via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:32 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: schiller
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Update to Broken Mast
>  
> I'll keep that in mind but in the 22 years that we have had Corsair we have 
> completely rewired her, repowered with a Universal M-25XPB engine (132 
> hours), Roller Furling, new cushions, refrigeration, wheel pilot, ST60 
> instrumentation, second battery bank.
> 
> If they can fix her, we'll keep her.
> 
> Neil Schiller
> 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
> (C 35, Mark I)
> 
> 
> On 7/13/2017 5:53 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
>> 
>>> Why bother unless you have a new diesel.   You can buy a replacement in 
>>> good condition for half that.  
>>> Jerry 
>>> http://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/65970 
>>> <http://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/65970>
>>> C 35 MK II sailboat for sale in Michigan 
>>> <http://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/65970>
>>> m.sailboatlistings.com <http://m.sailboatlistings.com/>
>>> 35' C 35 MK II sailboat for sale in St Clair Shores MI - Jefferson Beach 
>>> Marina Michigan
>>> 35' C 35 MK II 
>>> 
>>> Year   
>>> Length   
>>> 35  Beam   
>>> 11  Draft   
>>> 5'6 Asking 
>>> $14,000  
>>> 
>>> Description:
>>> Located in St Clair Shores MI - Jefferson Beach Marina Michigan 
>>> This Coast Guard documented vessel is in great condition, and priced to 
>>> sell. The owners, past and present have take really good care of it. The 
>>> interior cushions are new and the engine and sails are in good condition as 
>>> well. It has two and a half births. One is closed off and private. If you 
>>> need more photo's or would like to come out to see it, just let me know.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:55 PM, schiller via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Corsair is out of the water and safely on her cradle.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Update to Broken Mast

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Curious - any idea yet as to cost of standing rigging and mast?
Tx.
Dave - 33-2.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:55 PM, schiller  wrote:
> 
> Corsair is out of the water and safely on her cradle.
> 
> I met with the Torresen Service Representative and the Insurance Adjuster 
> yesterday.  Autoowners has stated they will authorize repair up to the agreed 
> to value of the boat ($24,000).  Torresens is starting the estimating 
> process.  They are leaning the new mast approach.  The break is pretty rough, 
> so a repair might need to shorten the mast at least a little.
> 
> Right now, the list of known items is:
> Mast
> Head Stay (we had to cut it to get the rig stabilized)
> Bulkhead Repair
> Wind instrument head
> Navigation/Anchor/Strobe Light
> Main Sail Track (mine was external T track)
> Repair Jib (we had to cut the #6 luff tape off to get Jib off)
> Repair Main (we had to cut slides off to get main stowed)
> Roller Furler (my Harken MK III foils may not be available.  The furler is 
> OK).
> 
> Separate from the insurance claim, I will have them reinforce the port upper 
> chain plate and the mast collar didn't separate from the Spartite when they 
> pulled the mast.  It appears that there is some wet core around the partners. 
>  I have them dig out the wet stuff and fill it with epoxy.
> 
> I'll keep the list informed as to resolution.
> 
> Neil Schiller
> 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
> (C 35, Mark I)
> "Corsair"
> being repaired in Muskegon, Michigan.
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Re: Stus-List Update to Broken Mast

[David via CnC-List]

I have heard anecdotally that you can have her totaled and buy her back from 
the insurance company at cents on the dollar?



From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of schiller via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: schiller
Subject: Re: Stus-List Update to Broken Mast

I'll keep that in mind but in the 22 years that we have had Corsair we have 
completely rewired her, repowered with a Universal M-25XPB engine (132 hours), 
Roller Furling, new cushions, refrigeration, wheel pilot, ST60 instrumentation, 
second battery bank.

If they can fix her, we'll keep her.

Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C 35, Mark I)


On 7/13/2017 5:53 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:

Why bother unless you have a new diesel.   You can buy a replacement in good 
condition for half that.
Jerry
http://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/65970
C 35 MK II sailboat for sale in 
Michigan<http://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/65970>
m.sailboatlistings.com
35' C 35 MK II sailboat for sale in St Clair Shores MI - Jefferson Beach 
Marina Michigan

35' C 35 MK II
Year

Length
35
Beam
11
Draft
5'6
Asking
$14,000

Description:
Located in St Clair Shores MI - Jefferson Beach Marina Michigan
This Coast Guard documented vessel is in great condition, and priced to sell. 
The owners, past and present have take really good care of it. The interior 
cushions are new and the engine and sails are in good condition as well. It has 
two and a half births. One is closed off and private. If you need more photo's 
or would like to come out to see it, just let me know.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:55 PM, schiller via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Corsair is out of the water and safely on her cradle.



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Re: Stus-List Update to Broken Mast

[schiller via CnC-List]

I'll keep that in mind but in the 22 years that we have had Corsair we 
have completely rewired her, repowered with a Universal M-25XPB engine 
(132 hours), Roller Furling, new cushions, refrigeration, wheel pilot, 
ST60 instrumentation, second battery bank.


If they can fix her, we'll keep her.

Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C 35, Mark I)


On 7/13/2017 5:53 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:


Why bother unless you have a new diesel.   You can buy a replacement 
in good condition for half that.

Jerry
http://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/65970


  35' C 35 MK II

Year
Length
35
Beam
11
Draft
5'6
Asking
$14,000

Description:
Located in St Clair Shores MI - Jefferson Beach Marina Michigan
This Coast Guard documented vessel is in great condition, and priced 
to sell. The owners, past and present have take really good care of 
it. The interior cushions are new and the engine and sails are in 
good condition as well. It has two and a half births. One is closed 
off and private. If you need more photo's or would like to come out 
to see it, just let me know.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:55 PM, schiller via CnC-List 
> wrote:



Corsair is out of the water and safely on her cradle.



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Re: Stus-List Update to Broken Mast

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Hold out for a new mast.  Then let them total the boat, and buy a new one
for less than the agreed value.of the old one.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:55 PM, schiller via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Corsair is out of the water and safely on her cradle.
>
> I met with the Torresen Service Representative and the Insurance Adjuster
> yesterday.  Autoowners has stated they will authorize repair up to the
> agreed to value of the boat ($24,000).  Torresens is starting the
> estimating process.  They are leaning the new mast approach.  The break is
> pretty rough, so a repair might need to shorten the mast at least a little.
>
> Right now, the list of known items is:
> Mast
> Head Stay (we had to cut it to get the rig stabilized)
> Bulkhead Repair
> Wind instrument head
> Navigation/Anchor/Strobe Light
> Main Sail Track (mine was external T track)
> Repair Jib (we had to cut the #6 luff tape off to get Jib off)
> Repair Main (we had to cut slides off to get main stowed)
> Roller Furler (my Harken MK III foils may not be available.  The furler is
> OK).
>
> Separate from the insurance claim, I will have them reinforce the port
> upper chain plate and the mast collar didn't separate from the Spartite
> when they pulled the mast.  It appears that there is some wet core around
> the partners.  I have them dig out the wet stuff and fill it with epoxy.
>
> I'll keep the list informed as to resolution.
>
> Neil Schiller
> 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
> (C 35, Mark I)
> "Corsair"
> being repaired in Muskegon, Michigan.
>
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Re: Stus-List Update to Broken Mast

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

> Why bother unless you have a new diesel.   You can buy a replacement in good 
> condition for half that.  
> Jerry 
> http://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/65970
> 35' C 35 MK II 
> 
> Year   
>   Length   
> 35Beam   
> 11Draft   
> 5'6   Asking 
> $14,000  
> 
> Description:
> Located in St Clair Shores MI - Jefferson Beach Marina Michigan 
> This Coast Guard documented vessel is in great condition, and priced to sell. 
> The owners, past and present have take really good care of it. The interior 
> cushions are new and the engine and sails are in good condition as well. It 
> has two and a half births. One is closed off and private. If you need more 
> photo's or would like to come out to see it, just let me know.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:55 PM, schiller via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Corsair is out of the water and safely on her cradle.
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Stus-List Update to Broken Mast

[schiller via CnC-List]

Corsair is out of the water and safely on her cradle.

I met with the Torresen Service Representative and the Insurance 
Adjuster yesterday.  Autoowners has stated they will authorize repair up 
to the agreed to value of the boat ($24,000).  Torresens is starting the 
estimating process.  They are leaning the new mast approach.  The break 
is pretty rough, so a repair might need to shorten the mast at least a 
little.


Right now, the list of known items is:
Mast
Head Stay (we had to cut it to get the rig stabilized)
Bulkhead Repair
Wind instrument head
Navigation/Anchor/Strobe Light
Main Sail Track (mine was external T track)
Repair Jib (we had to cut the #6 luff tape off to get Jib off)
Repair Main (we had to cut slides off to get main stowed)
Roller Furler (my Harken MK III foils may not be available.  The furler 
is OK).


Separate from the insurance claim, I will have them reinforce the port 
upper chain plate and the mast collar didn't separate from the Spartite 
when they pulled the mast.  It appears that there is some wet core 
around the partners.  I have them dig out the wet stuff and fill it with 
epoxy.


I'll keep the list informed as to resolution.

Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C 35, Mark I)
"Corsair"
being repaired in Muskegon, Michigan.
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