Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31
We’ll need to discuss over a beer the finer points of what “comes with” a 35-year old custom boat. And I didn’t just remove water ballast, I replaced a lot of it with West System (more than a teak table’s worth, I might add), followed by 8-10 coats of Interprotect. But I digress. From: coltrek via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: coltrek Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 Haha, nice try counselor. I think the rule reads, whatever came with a boat, stock. You did, however, remove a lot of water ballast that came with the boat... okay, that didn't come with the boat. Regards, Bill Coleman C 39 Original message From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 10/11/17 21:33 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 My table hasn’t been on board since I bought the boat. I guess I’m grandfathered. You, on the other hand... From: coltrek via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:24 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: coltrek Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 Mine too - I guess we can't protest each other over removing weight for our boats, can we!. Bill Coleman C 39 Original message From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 10/11/17 14:02 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 I’ll add one more perspective. I have a beautiful teak table sitting in my basement. The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to miss it. Again, it’s all about how you use the boat. From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 Hi Lisle and also others I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use the boat. We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table. Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a spinnaker more arduous. Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most Niagaras had a dinette). When we are cruising inshore we put the table down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down. This is in fact very similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down. Room to get by but also more room to put snacks and other items. Really I do not think it matters all that much which you have The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a quarterberth. When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most weekends in the summer. They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for several years. Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep. Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was less convenient all round. With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area. I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth. The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan. Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette. It was fun for the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else). A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface. These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with small children for the two layouts you had mentioned Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 Thanks, Lisle
Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31
Haha, nice try counselor. I think the rule reads, whatever came with a boat, stock. You did, however, remove a lot of water ballast that came with the boat... okay, that didn't come with the boat. Regards, Bill Coleman C 39 Original message From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 10/11/17 21:33 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 My table hasn’t been on board since I bought the boat. I guess I’m grandfathered. You, on the other hand... From: coltrek via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:24 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: coltrek Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 Mine too - I guess we can't protest each other over removing weight for our boats, can we!. Bill Coleman C 39 Original message From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 10/11/17 14:02 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 I’ll add one more perspective. I have a beautiful teak table sitting in my basement. The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to miss it. Again, it’s all about how you use the boat. From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 Hi Lisle and also others I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use the boat. We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table. Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a spinnaker more arduous. Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most Niagaras had a dinette). When we are cruising inshore we put the table down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down. This is in fact very similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down. Room to get by but also more room to put snacks and other items. Really I do not think it matters all that much which you have The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a quarterberth. When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most weekends in the summer. They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for several years. Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep. Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was less convenient all round. With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area. I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth. The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan. Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette. It was fun for the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else). A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface. These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with small children for the two layouts you had mentioned Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 Thanks, Lisle ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be
Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31
My table hasn’t been on board since I bought the boat. I guess I’m grandfathered. You, on the other hand... From: coltrek via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:24 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: coltrek Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 Mine too - I guess we can't protest each other over removing weight for our boats, can we!. Bill Coleman C 39 Original message From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 10/11/17 14:02 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 I’ll add one more perspective. I have a beautiful teak table sitting in my basement. The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to miss it. Again, it’s all about how you use the boat. From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 Hi Lisle and also others I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use the boat. We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table. Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a spinnaker more arduous. Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most Niagaras had a dinette). When we are cruising inshore we put the table down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down. This is in fact very similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down. Room to get by but also more room to put snacks and other items. Really I do not think it matters all that much which you have The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a quarterberth. When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most weekends in the summer. They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for several years. Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep. Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was less convenient all round. With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area. I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth. The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan. Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette. It was fun for the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else). A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface. These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with small children for the two layouts you had mentioned Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 Thanks, Lisle ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep
Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31
Mine too -I guess we can't protest each other over removing weight for our boats, can we!. Bill ColemanC 39 Original message From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 10/11/17 14:02 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 I’ll add one more perspective. I have a beautiful teak table sitting in my basement. The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to miss it. Again, it’s all about how you use the boat. From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 Hi Lisle and also others I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use the boat. We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table. Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a spinnaker more arduous. Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most Niagaras had a dinette). When we are cruising inshore we put the table down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down. This is in fact very similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down. Room to get by but also more room to put snacks and other items. Really I do not think it matters all that much which you have The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a quarterberth. When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most weekends in the summer. They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for several years. Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep. Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was less convenient all round. With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area. I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth. The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan. Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette. It was fun for the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else). A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface. These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with small children for the two layouts you had mentioned Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 Thanks, Lisle ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31
One other item no one has mentioned. The aft head. Priceless. Good use of space and perfect for hanging wet clothes shed at the bottom of the companionway. The toilet faces fore and aft so is good on either tack. Additionally, having the head forward (as is shown in the Tartan), essentially in the vee berth is not pleasant IMO. 99% of all heads smell to a certain degree, no matter how new the hoses, how regular you change the joker valve etc. Having the head forward also means the holding tank is likely under the vee berth. With the aft head on the 30-2 it is underneath the false floor in the starboard locker, outside of the cabin for all intents and purposes. Not sure I would consider a boat with only a forward head. My 2cents. And everything that Jim said about his 30-2. +1 to all of that. Kevin 30-2 Portland, OR On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:03 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I’ll add one more perspective. I have a beautiful teak table sitting in > my basement. The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to > miss it. > > Again, it’s all about how you use the boat. > > *From:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs > Tartan 31 > > > Hi Lisle and also others > > I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend > to use the boat. We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table. > Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table > makes packing a spinnaker more arduous. > > Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 > (most Niagaras had a dinette). When we are cruising inshore we put the > table down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down. This is in fact very > similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down. Room to > get by but also more room to put snacks and other items. Really I do not > think it matters all that much which you have > > The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a > quarterberth. When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 > most weekends in the summer. They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did > this for several years. Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which > left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep. > Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on > the settees which was less convenient all round. With a two cabin layout > you have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main > cabin free for a common area. I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords > more flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with > an open quarterberth. The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth > on the C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the > Tartan. > > Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette. It was fun for > the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one > else). A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be > folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface. > > These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard > with small children for the two layouts you had mentioned > > Mike > > Persistence > > 1987 Frers 33 > > Halifax, NS > > > On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty > much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at > this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table > mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be > day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm > thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison > pics link below. > > > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Lisle > > -- > ___ > > The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up > again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a > small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send > contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ &
Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31
A couple of comments here. First, I can confirm that the chainplates on the 30-2 are mounted to the bulkhead behind the settee cushion rather than to the hull itself. However, the load is transferred by a beefy aluminum casting, the bulkhead is quite thick and the casting is secured by 5 or 6 large bolts. The advantage of this design is that you can actually remove the chainplates for rebedding with relative ease. I did it last year, not a bad job at all. Mine came with access panels in that area that don't look original, not sure if there is a way to get the nuts off otherwise. Regarding the table, I have owned boats with both types of layout. My Catalina 27 had the bulkhead folding table, and I currently have a 30-2. My daughter, now 11, has always considered the V-berth "her room" and spends most of her time there when we are at the dock, so the table does not matter. The thing that we have found is that the table on the 30-2 still has some value with both leaves folded down. At the dock, it is wide enough for a glass or can to be placed on it. The problem with the bulkhead mount table is that it is all or nothing, and with it folded up there is no place for the people in the middle of the settees to place anything. I also think that the curved settee in a dinette layout is much more comfortable for conversation. With the settee's full, we always felt like we were sitting in a hallway on the Catalina. Good luck with your decision. I feel like you can't really go wrong, but I also love my 30-2 and never regretted buying her. I also think Mike is spot on about the aft cabin, that really makes a difference. Regards, Jim Reinardy C 30-2 "Firewater" Milwaukee, WI - Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 10/11/17 10:52 am To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> Hi Lisle and also others I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use the boat. We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table. Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a spinnaker more arduous. Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most Niagaras had a dinette). When we are cruising inshore we put the table down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down. This is in fact very similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down. Room to get by but also more room to put snacks and other items. Really I do not think it matters all that much which you have The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a quarterberth. When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most weekends in the summer. They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for several years. Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep. Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was less convenient all round. With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area. I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth. The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan. Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette. It was fun for the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else). A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface. These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with small children for the two layouts you had mentioned Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 Thanks, Lisle ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund
Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31
I’ll add one more perspective. I have a beautiful teak table sitting in my basement. The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to miss it. Again, it’s all about how you use the boat. From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 Hi Lisle and also others I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use the boat. We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table. Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a spinnaker more arduous. Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most Niagaras had a dinette). When we are cruising inshore we put the table down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down. This is in fact very similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down. Room to get by but also more room to put snacks and other items. Really I do not think it matters all that much which you have The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a quarterberth. When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most weekends in the summer. They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for several years. Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep. Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was less convenient all round. With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area. I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth. The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan. Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette. It was fun for the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else). A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface. These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with small children for the two layouts you had mentioned Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 Thanks, Lisle ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31
Hi Lisle and also others I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use the boat. We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table. Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a spinnaker more arduous. Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most Niagaras had a dinette). When we are cruising inshore we put the table down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down. This is in fact very similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down. Room to get by but also more room to put snacks and other items. Really I do not think it matters all that much which you have The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a quarterberth. When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most weekends in the summer. They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for several years. Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep. Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was less convenient all round. With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area. I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth. The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan. Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette. It was fun for the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else). A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface. These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with small children for the two layouts you had mentioned Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD> wrote: Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 Thanks, Lisle ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
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We happen to have owned a C 1980 30-1 dinette for the last dozen years and still own and love her, and also now own a 1994 Tartan 31. The older 30-1 isn't the same as the 30-2, but the dinette vs foldup, etc., and some other issues seem the same. The Tartan does have bulkhead mounted chainplates, visible both sides. They seem strong and adequate to me at least, and we've done heavy weather sailing across 100 miles of the middle of Lake Superior. The C is tough, and the dinette is lovely as there's always a place to sit and set a book, laptop, or cup of coffee down. The Tartan table we often leave halfdown (one side folded) at anchor or slip, to get somewhat the same function. The Tartan has dramatically better engine and drive train access (I've had to pull the older C transmission and engine from under the cockpit myself ... to replace failing rubber drivetrain seals). The Tartan doesn't point quite as high as the amazing C, and is more tender than the wonderfully stiff 30-1. The Tartan is also nearly a full knot faster under sail or power, which compensates for the wider tacking angle. The Tartan has a much better galley, head, more useable cockpit, and amazingly well-insulated refrigerator. Our Tartan came with lovely all-Harken big stainless winches (:-)). Our Tartan has a Westerbeke 18hp which does not leak, and the older C has the Yanmar 2qm15 which has always leaked oil in spite of my many efforts. Our Tartan had extra teak cabinets and teak paneling added as factory options when built, so it is like a wonderfully warm old English den down below, which instantly sold my other half on the bigger pricetag. My favorite thing is that the (opening) ports are real, not glued in windows (30-1) that leak even after redoing Nate Flesness Sarah Jean C 1980 30-1 Lake St. Croix (River), Hudson WI Valhalla 1994 Tartan 31 SIskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior (sadly pulling her Friday.) On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty > much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at > this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table > mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be > day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm > thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison > pics link below. > > > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 > > > > Thanks, > > > Lisle > > ___ > > The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up > again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a > small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send > contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Lisle, For what it’s worth... My kids are the same age as yours (girl, boy), and we got our boat this summer, so they are completely new to sailing. I can tell you from heavy parent observation this summer, they don’t run around under sail. If they are hanging out below they’re stationary watching iPad or playing some kind of game “using” the table. Mostly they want to go on deck even if under sail. When we’re at the dock, they want to go on the hard to explore, so we bring the bikes, or they’re in the cockpit, or they’re napping down below. One note of caution... mine seem to bicker over who “owns” the vberth. They call it the fort. Next year they learn to sail and build memories. /J > On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD> wrote: > > Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much > narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this > point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted > on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing > and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more > open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below. > > > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Lisle ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
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FYI – if you turn the 35 MK I table 90 degrees you can have people eating on both sides of the boat. Joe Coquina C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:38 PM To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table Lisle, One other thing you might ask yourself is why is the C's table a fold down vs the Tartan's fold up bulkhead mount. The answer lies in the location of the forward bulkhead and mast. Where does that 2-3 feet go? In the C, it's part of the dinette. The bulkhead is more forward opening up the main saloon more. In the Tartan, the bulkhead is more aft making the main saloon smaller but possibly adding to the V-berth. Personally, I prefer a dinette layout to a double settee layout. I think it's really nice to have friends sit around the dinette style table rather than across from each other in the double settee layout. Just my preference. In my 35-1 I kind of get the best of both. The overall layout of the 35-1 is more like the Tartan in that the mast is by the forward bulkhead. The table sits on a pedestal in the middle of the dinette. I can remove the table and pedestal (but not the pedestal base) to create nearly the same open area as the Tartan. Some boats have a flush mount pedestal base for the table. That's even better because the base isn't in the middle of the space to trip over. I can also lower the table, add the filler cushions and convert the dinette to a berth or, in your case, a really nice play area for the kids. There are some different interior layouts out there. One that I like is the Beneteau 361. (I like the interior layout, not necessarily the boat.) It has a dinette style with the table around the compression post. Under the table is a slide bar. Pull the slide bar out and the table can be placed in one of 3 positions; lowest as a filler to convert the dineete to a berth, middle, for dining and lastly high, in which case it is up against the headliner to create an open space. Just more to clog your mind. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 Thanks, Lisle ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table
Lisle, One other thing you might ask yourself is why is the C's table a fold down vs the Tartan's fold up bulkhead mount. The answer lies in the location of the forward bulkhead and mast. Where does that 2-3 feet go? In the C, it's part of the dinette. The bulkhead is more forward opening up the main saloon more. In the Tartan, the bulkhead is more aft making the main saloon smaller but possibly adding to the V-berth. Personally, I prefer a dinette layout to a double settee layout. I think it's really nice to have friends sit around the dinette style table rather than across from each other in the double settee layout. Just my preference. In my 35-1 I kind of get the best of both. The overall layout of the 35-1 is more like the Tartan in that the mast is by the forward bulkhead. The table sits on a pedestal in the middle of the dinette. I can remove the table and pedestal (but not the pedestal base) to create nearly the same open area as the Tartan. Some boats have a flush mount pedestal base for the table. That's even better because the base isn't in the middle of the space to trip over. I can also lower the table, add the filler cushions and convert the dinette to a berth or, in your case, a really nice play area for the kids. There are some different interior layouts out there. One that I like is the Beneteau 361. (I like the interior layout, not necessarily the boat.) It has a dinette style with the table around the compression post. Under the table is a slide bar. Pull the slide bar out and the table can be placed in one of 3 positions; lowest as a filler to convert the dineete to a berth, middle, for dining and lastly high, in which case it is up against the headliner to create an open space. Just more to clog your mind. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty > much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at > this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table > mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be > day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm > thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison > pics link below. > > > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 > > > > Thanks, > > > Lisle > > ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Everyone's criteria is different. How folks use their boats is also a consideration. Both boats look nice. Both are quality built. I guess I'm strange but my starting point is always the rig and how the sailing load is supported. Are the chain plates attached to a bulkhead or are the shroud loads carried directly down to the hull? Next I look at the propulsion system. Finally, I look at layout and amenities. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty > much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at > this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table > mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be > day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm > thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison > pics link below. > > > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 > > > > Thanks, > > > Lisle > > ___ > > The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up > again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a > small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send > contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Lisle, Here are a couple of considerations both ways (and both boat interiors look great)… We recently switched from a C 34 (table similar to C 30), to a Sabre 38 (table similar to Tartan 31). I much prefer that I can swing the table up on the bulkhead. That is now our standard configuration while underway, giving us all open space down below. Similar to the Tartan, we have the grab-rails under the windows, which really helps while moving around. However that is with just two of us on the boat. Likely with the C you will leave the port leaf up most of the time (that’s what we did). With kids, you may be able to get away with everyone seated around the dinette in the C, and not have to put up the second leaf. That will make life easier at mealtimes, if people can still access the forward cabin (invariably just when everyone is seated). That is not an option with the Tartan, as you have to put up the leaf to get usable surface – probably every time. So in balance – C Regards, Damian Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:09 AM To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Cc: Lisle Kingery, PhD Subject: Stus-List opinions about cabin table Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 Thanks, Lisle ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List opinions about cabin table
Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8 Thanks, Lisle ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Danny, Here's a link to a picture of Touche's dinette. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsWVFkaGlHeTJCN3M Here's a link to a plan drawing: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1800 Dennis C. On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I'd like to see a photo of what you guys mean by dinette > > > ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
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A lot depends on the size of the boat and its configuration besides the table. Our is fixed midships in the main cabin with folding leaves, storage in the center section. Serves as a nice place to steady yourself while underway. With leaves up is a great dining / food prep / card playing surface. Starboard berth has swing out base so converts to a cozy double bunk. We find smaller children like the forepeak to play in. We like it John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C 34 Noank, CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2017 4:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions on cabin table Our boat came with a fixed table with folding leaves. I took it out. I've recently realised the purpose off the fixed table. It makes for a sea berth while underway and will keep you from rolling of the berth. Of course, we don't do any overnight passages currently so, we're just leaving it out. I do like the ones that food up against the bulk head. I'd like to see a photo of what you guys mean by dinette Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 10/8/17 3:36 PM (GMT-05:00) To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions on cabin table Agree with Gary. We love the dinette layout on Touche'. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Get a boat with a dinette, fixed table but not in the way. Gary 30-1 (ancient) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 2:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> Subject: Stus-List opinions on cabin table Hi all, I'm interested in opinions about having a fixed table in the middle of the cabin vs. a table that folds down and out of the way when not in use. As I obsess over boat features this is emerging as an important consideration. I'll have 2 kids on board sometimes (ages 6 and 4) and I'm thinking having the open space might be really nice vs. having the table in the way all the time. Thanks in advance for any opinions on this issue. Best regards, Lisle ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List opinions on cabin table
Our boat came with a fixed table with folding leaves. I took it out. I've recently realised the purpose off the fixed table. It makes for a sea berth while underway and will keep you from rolling of the berth. Of course, we don't do any overnight passages currently so, we're just leaving it out. I do like the ones that food up against the bulk head. I'd like to see a photo of what you guys mean by dinette Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 10/8/17 3:36 PM (GMT-05:00) To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions on cabin table Agree with Gary. We love the dinette layout on Touche'. Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Get a boat with a dinette, fixed table but not in the way.Gary30-1 (ancient) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 2:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> Subject: Stus-List opinions on cabin table Hi all, I'm interested in opinions about having a fixed table in the middle of the cabin vs. a table that folds down and out of the way when not in use. As I obsess over boat features this is emerging as an important consideration. I'll have 2 kids on board sometimes (ages 6 and 4) and I'm thinking having the open space might be really nice vs. having the table in the way all the time. Thanks in advance for any opinions on this issue. Best regards, Lisle ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Agree with Gary. We love the dinette layout on Touche'. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Get a boat with a dinette, fixed table but not in the way. > > Gary > > 30-1 (ancient) > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Lisle > Kingery, PhD via CnC-List > *Sent:* Sunday, October 8, 2017 2:30 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Stus-List opinions on cabin table > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm interested in opinions about having a fixed table in the middle of the > cabin vs. a table that folds down and out of the way when not in use. As I > obsess over boat features this is emerging as an important consideration. > I'll have 2 kids on board sometimes (ages 6 and 4) and I'm thinking having > the open space might be really nice vs. having the table in the way all the > time. Thanks in advance for any opinions on this issue. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Lisle > > ___ > > The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up > again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a > small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send > contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Get a boat with a dinette, fixed table but not in the way. Gary 30-1 (ancient) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 2:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> Subject: Stus-List opinions on cabin table Hi all, I'm interested in opinions about having a fixed table in the middle of the cabin vs. a table that folds down and out of the way when not in use. As I obsess over boat features this is emerging as an important consideration. I'll have 2 kids on board sometimes (ages 6 and 4) and I'm thinking having the open space might be really nice vs. having the table in the way all the time. Thanks in advance for any opinions on this issue. Best regards, Lisle ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List opinions on cabin table
Hi all, I'm interested in opinions about having a fixed table in the middle of the cabin vs. a table that folds down and out of the way when not in use. As I obsess over boat features this is emerging as an important consideration. I'll have 2 kids on board sometimes (ages 6 and 4) and I'm thinking having the open space might be really nice vs. having the table in the way all the time. Thanks in advance for any opinions on this issue. Best regards, Lisle ___ The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All contributions are greatly appreciated!