Re: Stus-List solar power setup Cont...

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Hi Edd- The one I have is not thin enough to open the hatch (probably a bit 
more than an inch thick).  That would be nice, and I am going to think about 
something thin or lighter if/when I have to replace the panel.  But it is not a 
big deal, taking it below when I come to the boat and putting it back when I 
leave and it only cost about $100. Dave

On Mar 3, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:

> David,
> 
> Is your 50W thin enough to leave on the companionway hatch when sailing? In 
> other words, can it slide with the hatch forward? If so, what panel did you 
> use? 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2016, at 1:05 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I got a Blue Sea socket and plug and wired the plug to the panel and mounted 
>> the socket near my engine panel and ran that to a Sunsaver Duo controller in 
>> the lazarette and from there up to the battery compartment.  I just plug in 
>> the panel before I leave the boat and unplug when I come back and store the 
>> panel below deck while sailing.  It sits on the companionway hatch cover 
>> while I am gone. I got a 50W panel sized to fit on the hatch and it is heavy 
>> enough with the aluminum frame that it does not blow away.  Dave
>> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289944%7C2289945=1187549
>>  
>> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289944%7C2289945=1187536
>> 
>> Aries
>> 1990 C 34+
>> New London, CT
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List solar power setup Cont...

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Dave; any chance of see photos of your rig set up on the boat? Thanks

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; 
Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

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I got a Blue Sea socket and plug and wired the plug to the panel and mounted 
the socket near my engine panel and ran that to a Sunsaver Duo controller in 
the lazarette and from there up to the battery compartment.  I just plug in the 
panel before I leave the boat and unplug when I come back and store the panel 
below deck while sailing.  It sits on the companionway hatch cover while I am 
gone. I got a 50W panel sized to fit on the hatch and it is heavy enough with 
the aluminum frame that it does not blow away.  Dave
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289944%7C2289945=1187549

 
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289944%7C2289945=1187536



Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT








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Re: Stus-List solar power setup Cont...

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

David,

Is your 50W thin enough to leave on the companionway hatch when sailing? In 
other words, can it slide with the hatch forward? If so, what panel did you 
use? 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
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C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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> On Mar 3, 2016, at 1:05 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I got a Blue Sea socket and plug and wired the plug to the panel and mounted 
> the socket near my engine panel and ran that to a Sunsaver Duo controller in 
> the lazarette and from there up to the battery compartment.  I just plug in 
> the panel before I leave the boat and unplug when I come back and store the 
> panel below deck while sailing.  It sits on the companionway hatch cover 
> while I am gone. I got a 50W panel sized to fit on the hatch and it is heavy 
> enough with the aluminum frame that it does not blow away.  Dave
> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289944%7C2289945=1187549
>  
> 
>  
> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289944%7C2289945=1187536
>  
> 
> Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
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Re: Stus-List solar power setup Cont...

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I got a Blue Sea socket and plug and wired the plug to the panel and mounted 
the socket near my engine panel and ran that to a Sunsaver Duo controller in 
the lazarette and from there up to the battery compartment.  I just plug in the 
panel before I leave the boat and unplug when I come back and store the panel 
below deck while sailing.  It sits on the companionway hatch cover while I am 
gone. I got a 50W panel sized to fit on the hatch and it is heavy enough with 
the aluminum frame that it does not blow away.  Dave
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289944%7C2289945=1187549
 
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289944%7C2289945=1187536
 

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New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List solar power setup Cont...

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have about 30 feet of cord on my solar panel and use a trolling motor plug 
and socket in the cockpit.
Joe
Coquina

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David,
No experience with a waterproof plug, but I once considered the idea and 
rejected because of aesthetic reasons with the routing of wires, chance of 
leaks, and the trip hazard on the foredeck.

The solar panel that charges the battery under my V berth is deployed on the 
foredeck near the hatch (note the relatively short run - which may not work for 
charging the house and start bank further aft because of voltage drop from a 
long run). I set the pane so it faces south and is angled up slightly, but 
nowhere near the 35 degree angle appropriate for my latitude. Seems to work OK 
for the relatively small demand of maintaining the single 24DC battery.

There is a 6 or 7 ft long cord on the panel with a polarized plug on the end. 
The corresponding polarized plug is under the step up into the V berth, and 
wired to the terminals of the battery. So my connection is both inside the boat 
and out of sight when the panel is not in place. The wire runs under the hatch 
seal to get into the boat, and I have not experienced any water leaks in the 6 
years or so that I have been using this arrangement.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



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To: CNC CNC <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: David <davidrisc...@msn.com<mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup Cont...

So I don't want a permanent setup and an easy setup/put-away.  I am thinking 
the foredeck (on mooring and anchor) has the most sun exposure.   Anyone try a 
waterproof plug set up with a flexible solar array?

Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 11:12:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
CC: awh...@thegateguys.com<mailto:awh...@thegateguys.com>
Great site with tutorials and many options  
www.batterystuff.com<http://www.batterystuff.com> .
I have purchased several systems for other purposes there.  You may need to 
isolate separate battery banks.
_/)~~~_/) 
 ~~~
Allen White
C 26  Aura
Rhinebeck, NY


From: Della Barba, Joe [mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:10 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup

I don't know about Canadian exchange rates, but my setup is about $120 US. I 
have a meter anyway, so the cheap Morningstar controller was fine for my use. I 
might go up to MPPT if I can find a decent one for cheap, the Morningstar 
version is very good and very expensive. I spend 2 weeks at anchor in one spot 
to run sailing classes and the 50 watt panel cut my engine run time from once a 
day to once every three days :)
Joe
Coquina

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Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:03 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup

I purchased a 65watt mono panel with charge controller and cables from these 
guys:
http://stores.ebay.ca/solarenergydcinc/
All told IIRC it was $250 CAD, maybe $300. Not a lot of money when talking boat 
stuff.

That was back in 2013. The setup has served very well. People are right to 
recommend a quality MPPT charge controller but I found the return on investment 
when dealing with sub 100 watt panels to be minimal and not worth it. At the 
time a cheap PWM controller is what came with my kit and it has been fine now 
for over 2 seasons. It also has useful features like an LCD screen that shows 
how many amps I'm generating, the entry level morningstar controllers don't do 
that. I spent money on nice fittings for my bimini to mount the thing and I'm 
glad I did because take down and setup in fall and spring are easy and the 
mounting is very secure.

Suhana was on a wet mooring since I first launched her in 2012. It was 
important to maintain the batteries somehow. Our consumption is low enough that 
the 65 watt panel served very well on a three week cruise. Last thing I'll 
mention is that the batteries are an unknown age, ie; older than 2011 when I 
purchased her. I believe the solar panel has a lot to do with them still being 
alive. New Trojan T-105s are on the menu for spring and we'll have shore power 
now for the first time :)

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Della Barba, Joe vi

Re: Stus-List solar power setup Cont...

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

David, 

No experience with a waterproof plug, but I once considered the idea and
rejected because of aesthetic reasons with the routing of wires, chance of
leaks, and the trip hazard on the foredeck.

 

The solar panel that charges the battery under my V berth is deployed on the
foredeck near the hatch (note the relatively short run - which may not work
for charging the house and start bank further aft because of voltage drop
from a long run). I set the pane so it faces south and is angled up
slightly, but nowhere near the 35 degree angle appropriate for my latitude.
Seems to work OK for the relatively small demand of maintaining the single
24DC battery.

 

There is a 6 or 7 ft long cord on the panel with a polarized plug on the
end. The corresponding polarized plug is under the step up into the V berth,
and wired to the terminals of the battery. So my connection is both inside
the boat and out of sight when the panel is not in place. The wire runs
under the hatch seal to get into the boat, and I have not experienced any
water leaks in the 6 years or so that I have been using this arrangement.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Cc: David <davidrisc...@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup Cont...

 

So I don't want a permanent setup and an easy setup/put-away.  I am thinking
the foredeck (on mooring and anchor) has the most sun exposure.   Anyone try
a waterproof plug set up with a flexible solar array?

Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



  _  

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 11:12:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
CC: awh...@thegateguys.com <mailto:awh...@thegateguys.com> 

Great site with tutorials and many options   <http://www.batterystuff.com>
www.batterystuff.com .

I have purchased several systems for other purposes there.  You may need to
isolate separate battery banks.

_/)~~~_/) 

 ~~~

Allen White

C 26  Aura

Rhinebeck, NY 

 

 

From: Della Barba, Joe [mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:10 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup

 

I don't know about Canadian exchange rates, but my setup is about $120 US. I
have a meter anyway, so the cheap Morningstar controller was fine for my
use. I might go up to MPPT if I can find a decent one for cheap, the
Morningstar version is very good and very expensive. I spend 2 weeks at
anchor in one spot to run sailing classes and the 50 watt panel cut my
engine run time from once a day to once every three days :)

Joe

Coquina

 

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Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:03 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup

 

I purchased a 65watt mono panel with charge controller and cables from these
guys:

http://stores.ebay.ca/solarenergydcinc/

All told IIRC it was $250 CAD, maybe $300. Not a lot of money when talking
boat stuff.

 

That was back in 2013. The setup has served very well. People are right to
recommend a quality MPPT charge controller but I found the return on
investment when dealing with sub 100 watt panels to be minimal and not worth
it. At the time a cheap PWM controller is what came with my kit and it has
been fine now for over 2 seasons. It also has useful features like an LCD
screen that shows how many amps I'm generating, the entry level morningstar
controllers don't do that. I spent money on nice fittings for my bimini to
mount the thing and I'm glad I did because take down and setup in fall and
spring are easy and the mounting is very secure. 

 

Suhana was on a wet mooring since I first launched her in 2012. It was
important to maintain the batteries somehow. Our consumption is low enough
that the 65 watt panel served very well on a three week cruise. Last thing
I'll mention is that the batteries are an unknown age, ie; older than 2011
when I purchased her. I believe the solar panel has a lot to do with them
still being alive. New Trojan T-105s are on the menu for spring and we'll
have shore power now for the first time :)

 

Steve

Suhana, C 32

Toronto

 

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Someone asked me about my solar panel setup.

I have one of these - a 50 watt panel:
http://www.amazon.com/Renogy-Watts-Volts-Monocrystalline-Solar/dp/B00DVPPFDS
/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8
<http://www.amazon.com/Renogy-Watts-Volts-Monocrystalline-Solar/dp/B00DVPPFD
S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1456843564=8-1=renogy+50+wat

Re: Stus-List solar power setup Cont...

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

David,

 

This is what I did: 

 

My set-up is non-permanent. The panel can be easily rolled up ands stored. I
put it on my bimini, when it is up. In the early and late season, the bimini
is down when we sail, so the panel has to go. It takes about 5 extra min to
take it down or to set it up. I use 4 short shock cords to attach the four
corners and an extra length of Velcro, so that at least one end is somewhat
permanently attached (I don't want a wind gust to take the panel away).

 

The panel comes with a short connecting cable with a watertight plug. A
matching plug on the "extension cord" provides water tight connection. The
extension goes through on of the aft lazarettes; this way I did not need to
drill any holes.

 

If you have a rigid panel (they are cheaper, more durable and more
efficient, but they are not rollable), you have to figure out some way of
keeping it on deck and then storing it under the deck when you go sailing.
Or you have to find a permanent way of mounting it (but this is not what you
wanted).

 

I have some pictures:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7vf5xpyypwldof5/AACitxYkDTpzPt4I1zqjfW_ka?dl=0 

 

If I were to do it again I would install a single output charge controller
(Genasun 5 A MPPT ($75)) and connect it to the House battery and install an
echo charger for the start battery. Probably the same cost, but this would
separate my two batteries in a more appropriate way. My controller has two
batteries output, so it was trivially easy to install.

 

Just my 2 cents

 

Marek

 

C270 "Legato"

Ottawa, ON

 

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Cc: David <davidrisc...@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup Cont...

 

So I don't want a permanent setup and an easy setup/put-away.  I am thinking
the foredeck (on mooring and anchor) has the most sun exposure.   Anyone try
a waterproof plug set up with a flexible solar array?

Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



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Re: Stus-List solar power setup Cont...

[David via CnC-List]

So I don't want a permanent setup and an easy setup/put-away.  I am thinking 
the foredeck (on mooring and anchor) has the most sun exposure.   Anyone try a 
waterproof plug set up with a flexible solar array?

Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 11:12:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: awh...@thegateguys.com

Great site with tutorials and many options  www.batterystuff.com .I have 
purchased several systems for other purposes there.  You may need to isolate 
separate battery banks._/)~~~_/)  ~~~Allen 
WhiteC 26  AuraRhinebeck, NYFrom: Della Barba, Joe 
[mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:10 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup I don’t know about Canadian exchange 
rates, but my setup is about $120 US. I have a meter anyway, so the cheap 
Morningstar controller was fine for my use. I might go up to MPPT if I can find 
a decent one for cheap, the Morningstar version is very good and very 
expensive. I spend 2 weeks at anchor in one spot to run sailing classes and the 
50 watt panel cut my engine run time from once a day to once every three days 
JJoeCoquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:03 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup I purchased a 65watt mono panel with 
charge controller and cables from these 
guys:http://stores.ebay.ca/solarenergydcinc/All told IIRC it was $250 CAD, 
maybe $300. Not a lot of money when talking boat stuff. That was back in 2013. 
The setup has served very well. People are right to recommend a quality MPPT 
charge controller but I found the return on investment when dealing with sub 
100 watt panels to be minimal and not worth it. At the time a cheap PWM 
controller is what came with my kit and it has been fine now for over 2 
seasons. It also has useful features like an LCD screen that shows how many 
amps I'm generating, the entry level morningstar controllers don't do that. I 
spent money on nice fittings for my bimini to mount the thing and I'm glad I 
did because take down and setup in fall and spring are easy and the mounting is 
very secure.  Suhana was on a wet mooring since I first launched her in 2012. 
It was important to maintain the batteries somehow. Our consumption is low 
enough that the 65 watt panel served very well on a three week cruise. Last 
thing I'll mention is that the batteries are an unknown age, ie; older than 
2011 when I purchased her. I believe the solar panel has a lot to do with them 
still being alive. New Trojan T-105s are on the menu for spring and we'll have 
shore power now for the first time :) SteveSuhana, C 32Toronto On Tue, Mar 1, 
2016 at 9:49 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  
wrote:Someone asked me about my solar panel setup.I have one of these – a 50 
watt panel: 
http://www.amazon.com/Renogy-Watts-Volts-Monocrystalline-Solar/dp/B00DVPPFDS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1456843564=8-1=renogy+50+wattI
 have this controller 
-http://www.amazon.com/SunGuard-Charge-Controller-Regulator-Morningstar/dp/B000O3O0W2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1456843683=8-3=morningstar+solarI
 have the panel on a long cord and plug it in to a trolling motor plug when 
using it. It does a good job with the batteries when I am on my 
mooring.JoeCoquina C 35 MK I
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