Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On 7 Aug 2009, at 06:46:25, Eric Schlegel wrote: On Aug 6, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Pierce Freeman wrote: Hi Eric: I'll make sure to file a big about that - hopefully it can get resolved before shipment. But, when using the key, it should stop Exposé, shouldn't it? I have also tested this and it still doesn't work. Any ideas? Hmm, yes, the keystroke to invoke Exposé should still be blocked. I can't say offhand why it wouldn't be. And is there any way to make reproduce the display capture effect without using this or SetSystemUIMode. I am attempting to make a full screen app, and don't want the user to have to disable this in the system preferences. You can actually capture the display with the CGDisplayCapture API - Exposé can't be invoked when the display is captured. Otherwise, I don't think so. -eric ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/importedfromspace%40googlemail.com This email sent to importedfromsp...@googlemail.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Pierce Freeman wrote: Hmm, yes, the keystroke to invoke Exposé should still be blocked. I can't say offhand why it wouldn't be. Hmm... Interesting. I’m not quite sure either – maybe something with the key I’m using... F3? Yes, that's the problem. The hardware keys aren't blocked either. Yeah, that’s what I was using, but then I was told that I couldn't use NSAlert with the API. Is there someway around this, or should I keep the CGDisplayCapture API? If you absolutely must disable Expose, CGDisplayCapture is the way to go. The caution about NSAlert is correct, though - CGDisplayCapture is designed to give you one window in which to draw all of your content, and the window server does not guarantee that other windows could be displayed while the display is captured. -eric ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Pierce Freeman wrote: Yes, that's the problem. The hardware keys aren't blocked either. In any event, I've submitted a bug report about the issue and hopefully it will be resolved in Snow Leopard. I'm not betting on it, but it may just make it through. It won't be, sorry. If you absolutely must disable Expose, CGDisplayCapture is the way to go. The caution about NSAlert is correct, though - CGDisplayCapture is designed to give you one window in which to draw all of your content, and the window server does not guarantee that other windows could be displayed while the display is captured. So, assuming that I need/want alerts, but can't have Exposé enabled - what are my other options? I don't have any good recommendations. It might be possible to intercept and suppress the physical Exposé key on the keyboard using some IOKit callbacks; I haven't tried this. Hot corner and four-finger- swipe activations of Exposé can be disabled in System Prefs, so you could instruct your users to disable those before running your application. -eric ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
It won't be, sorry. Yeah, that's kind of what I figured. But it would be pretty cool if it made it into, like, 10.6.5 or something like that. I don't have any good recommendations. It might be possible to intercept and suppress the physical Exposé key on the keyboard using some IOKit callbacks; I haven't tried this. Hot corner and four-finger- swipe activations of Exposé can be disabled in System Prefs, so you could instruct your users to disable those before running your application. I'll definitely look into these both. Thanks for your help! ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:12 AM, Eric Schlegel wrote: On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Pierce Freeman wrote: Yes, that's the problem. The hardware keys aren't blocked either. In any event, I've submitted a bug report about the issue and hopefully it will be resolved in Snow Leopard. I'm not betting on it, but it may just make it through. It won't be, sorry. I take that back! It looks like this is already fixed in SnowLeopard. -eric ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
I take that back! It looks like this is already fixed in SnowLeopard. Wow, I think that just made my day. So, both of them are fixed? In other words, the gestures and the hardware key? ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Pierce Freeman wrote: I take that back! It looks like this is already fixed in SnowLeopard. Wow, I think that just made my day. So, both of them are fixed? In other words, the gestures and the hardware key? In my testing on my MacBook Pro running a recent build of SnowLeopard, yes. SnowLeopard has not been released to customers yet, so of course there's always a possibility of something changing, but it does seem to work properly at the moment. Further discussion of SnowLeopard should probably be moved to the developer forums on developer.apple.com. -eric ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
Oops ... have we forgotten our NDA? -- I.S. On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Eric Schlegel wrote: On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Pierce Freeman wrote: I take that back! It looks like this is already fixed in SnowLeopard. Wow, I think that just made my day. So, both of them are fixed? In other words, the gestures and the hardware key? In my testing on my MacBook Pro running a recent build of SnowLeopard, yes. SnowLeopard has not been released to customers yet, so of course there's always a possibility of something changing, but it does seem to work properly at the moment. Further discussion of SnowLeopard should probably be moved to the developer forums ondeveloper.apple.com. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
In my testing on my MacBook Pro running a recent build of SnowLeopard, yes. SnowLeopard has not been released to customers yet, so of course there's always a possibility of something changing, but it does seem to work properly at the moment. Further discussion of SnowLeopard should probably be moved to the developer forums on developer.apple.com. Wow. Thanks for letting me know. I may just have to make my app Snow Leopard only then. After all, it's only $29. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
Well he is an Apple employee. I suppose they can kind of do what they want :) On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:39 AM, I. Savant wrote: Oops ... have we forgotten our NDA? -- I.S. On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Eric Schlegel wrote: On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Pierce Freeman wrote: I take that back! It looks like this is already fixed in SnowLeopard. Wow, I think that just made my day. So, both of them are fixed? In other words, the gestures and the hardware key? In my testing on my MacBook Pro running a recent build of SnowLeopard, yes. SnowLeopard has not been released to customers yet, so of course there's always a possibility of something changing, but it does seem to work properly at the moment. Further discussion of SnowLeopard should probably be moved to the developer forums ondeveloper.apple.com. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/alex%40webis.net This email sent to a...@webis.net Alex Kac - President and Founder Web Information Solutions, Inc. If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. -- Francis Roberts ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Alex Kac wrote: Well he is an Apple employee. I suppose they can kind of do what they want :) We could continue the debate offline (in strictly a friendly way) if you want, but I'll just say I would imagine Apple employees would be under heavier scrutiny so as to avoid a software engineer preempting the marketing and legal departments ... I won't discuss this on-list any further though - it's not Cocoa- relevant. -- I.S. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On 8/7/09 9:47 AM, Pierce Freeman said: I may just have to make my app Snow Leopard only then. After all, it's only $29. Only $29, yes; but remember it's also Intel-only. So if you require 10.6, you loose any/all PowerPC customers. -- Sean McBride, B. Eng s...@rogue-research.com Rogue Researchwww.rogue-research.com Mac Software Developer Montréal, Québec, Canada ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
Very true, so I guess I'll have to weigh my options. Thanks to everyone for their help! On 8/7/09 10:08 AM, Sean McBride s...@rogue-research.com wrote: On 8/7/09 9:47 AM, Pierce Freeman said: I may just have to make my app Snow Leopard only then. After all, it's only $29. Only $29, yes; but remember it's also Intel-only. So if you require 10.6, you loose any/all PowerPC customers. -- Sean McBride, B. Eng s...@rogue-research.com Rogue Researchwww.rogue-research.com Mac Software Developer Montréal, Québec, Canada ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On 8/5/09 7:39 PM, Pierce Freeman said: Which version of OS X are you using? With the latest of Leopard, it just doesn't seem to work. Are you using the same flags are Ricky? I use SetSystemUIMode (kUIModeAllSuppressed, 0) and Exposé is allowed (which I want). Or do you mean this broke in 10.5.8 (which I haven't installed yet). -- Sean McBride, B. Eng s...@rogue-research.com Rogue Researchwww.rogue-research.com Mac Software Developer Montréal, Québec, Canada ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
Hi Sean: Yeah, I completely copied his code and inserted it into my project. Even odder, it doesn't allow the Apple-Tab function (which is what it is supposed to do) but lets Exposé work just fine. I don't mean that it broke in the latest version of Leopard, as the old version I was using still did not have it enabled. I was wondering if it worked on Leopard at all, and based on your reply it does. So I don't have much idea as to what to try now. On 8/6/09 7:56 AM, Sean McBride s...@rogue-research.com wrote: On 8/5/09 7:39 PM, Pierce Freeman said: Which version of OS X are you using? With the latest of Leopard, it just doesn't seem to work. Are you using the same flags are Ricky? I use SetSystemUIMode (kUIModeAllSuppressed, 0) and Exposé is allowed (which I want). Or do you mean this broke in 10.5.8 (which I haven't installed yet). -- Sean McBride, B. Eng s...@rogue-research.com Rogue Researchwww.rogue-research.com Mac Software Developer Montréal, Québec, Canada ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On Aug 5, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Pierce Freeman wrote: Which version of OS X are you using? With the latest of Leopard, it just doesn't seem to work. When writing my initial response to this thread, it was 10.5.7. Just tested with 10.5.8 and all is still well (no Expose, no process switching). ___ Ricky A. Sharp mailto:rsh...@instantinteractive.com Instant Interactive(tm) http://www.instantinteractive.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
Really odd, do you think you could send me a little example to see if your same code works on my system? On 8/6/09 2:59 PM, Ricky Sharp rsh...@mac.com wrote: On Aug 5, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Pierce Freeman wrote: Which version of OS X are you using? With the latest of Leopard, it just doesn't seem to work. When writing my initial response to this thread, it was 10.5.7. Just tested with 10.5.8 and all is still well (no Expose, no process switching). ___ Ricky A. Sharp mailto:rsh...@instantinteractive.com Instant Interactive(tm) http://www.instantinteractive.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Pierce Freeman wrote: Yeah, I completely copied his code and inserted it into my project. Even odder, it doesn't allow the Apple-Tab function (which is what it is supposed to do) but lets Exposé work just fine. I don't mean that it broke in the latest version of Leopard, as the old version I was using still did not have it enabled. I was wondering if it worked on Leopard at all, and based on your reply it does. So I don't have much idea as to what to try now. Hmm, I wonder if it has something to do with how I create my windows? I create blanking windows and put one of those on each screen (borderless window covers entire screen). Then, I create a content window (also borderless) that is then set to appropriate size (1024 x 768 in my case), centered on, and made a child of, the blanking window on the main screen. The call to SetSystemUIMode is made in applicationDidFinishLaunching: before I create windows. Both the blanking and content windows are subclasses of NSWindow. Blanking window's designated initializer is just a thin wrapper around NSWindow's initWithContentRect:styleMask:backing:defer: - styleMask is NSBorderlessWindowMask - backing is NSBackingStoreBuffered - defer is NO I then set these additional attributes: - hidesOnDeactivate (YES) - releasedWhenClosed (NO) - movableByWindowBackground (NO) - hasShadow (NO) - optimizedDrawing (YES) - opaque (YES) I also override canBecomeKeyWindow (returns NO) and canBecomeMainWindow (also returns NO). In my content window subclass, same setup as blanking window (in terms of attributes listed above). And, overrides to canBecomeKeyWindow and canBecomeMainWindow return YES. ___ Ricky A. Sharp mailto:rsh...@instantinteractive.com Instant Interactive(tm) http://www.instantinteractive.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
That's definitely a possibility. However, I am basically creating my windows the same way that you are. The only difference is, I didn't set any of those attributes and my main window just appears by Cocoa default. On 8/6/09 3:10 PM, Ricky Sharp rsh...@mac.com wrote: On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Pierce Freeman wrote: Yeah, I completely copied his code and inserted it into my project. Even odder, it doesn't allow the Apple-Tab function (which is what it is supposed to do) but lets Exposé work just fine. I don't mean that it broke in the latest version of Leopard, as the old version I was using still did not have it enabled. I was wondering if it worked on Leopard at all, and based on your reply it does. So I don't have much idea as to what to try now. Hmm, I wonder if it has something to do with how I create my windows? I create blanking windows and put one of those on each screen (borderless window covers entire screen). Then, I create a content window (also borderless) that is then set to appropriate size (1024 x 768 in my case), centered on, and made a child of, the blanking window on the main screen. The call to SetSystemUIMode is made in applicationDidFinishLaunching: before I create windows. Both the blanking and content windows are subclasses of NSWindow. Blanking window's designated initializer is just a thin wrapper around NSWindow's initWithContentRect:styleMask:backing:defer: - styleMask is NSBorderlessWindowMask - backing is NSBackingStoreBuffered - defer is NO I then set these additional attributes: - hidesOnDeactivate (YES) - releasedWhenClosed (NO) - movableByWindowBackground (NO) - hasShadow (NO) - optimizedDrawing (YES) - opaque (YES) I also override canBecomeKeyWindow (returns NO) and canBecomeMainWindow (also returns NO). In my content window subclass, same setup as blanking window (in terms of attributes listed above). And, overrides to canBecomeKeyWindow and canBecomeMainWindow return YES. ___ Ricky A. Sharp mailto:rsh...@instantinteractive.com Instant Interactive(tm) http://www.instantinteractive.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On Aug 6, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Pierce Freeman wrote: Hi Sean: Yeah, I completely copied his code and inserted it into my project. Even odder, it doesn't allow the Apple-Tab function (which is what it is supposed to do) but lets Exposé work just fine. Pierce, how are you entering Exposé: function key, mouse button, or screen hot corner? SetSystemUIMode attempts to disable Exposé as best it can, but only the function key and mouse button methods are disabled. Screen hot corners are still enabled so you'd have to disable those manually in System Prefs. -eric ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
Hi Eric: I am using the four finger swipe gesture on a Unibody MacBook Pro and the key. Neither of which SetSystemUIMode over rides. Maybe there is a way to just set a window to be at the edges of the screen all the time, and then put the main window in front of that? On 8/6/09 3:59 PM, Eric Schlegel eri...@apple.com wrote: On Aug 6, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Pierce Freeman wrote: Hi Sean: Yeah, I completely copied his code and inserted it into my project. Even odder, it doesn't allow the Apple-Tab function (which is what it is supposed to do) but lets Exposé work just fine. Pierce, how are you entering Exposé: function key, mouse button, or screen hot corner? SetSystemUIMode attempts to disable Exposé as best it can, but only the function key and mouse button methods are disabled. Screen hot corners are still enabled so you'd have to disable those manually in System Prefs. -eric ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On Aug 6, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Pierce Freeman wrote: Hi Eric: I am using the four finger swipe gesture on a Unibody MacBook Pro and the key. Neither of which SetSystemUIMode overrides. Yes, that's the problem. SetSystemUIMode doesn't prevent entering Exposé via that method. Please file a bug about that; we have the infrastructure in place finally in SnowLeopard to fix this, so we should be able to address the problem in a future release. Maybe there is a way to just set a window to be at the edges of the screen all the time, and then put the main window in front of that? I don't think I understand what you're proposing. In general, I don't think there's a way to prevent Exposé from occurring in this case, without just disabling the gesture in System Prefs. -eric ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
Hi Eric: I'll make sure to file a big about that - hopefully it can get resolved before shipment. But, when using the key, it should stop Exposé, shouldn't it? I have also tested this and it still doesn't work. Any ideas? On 8/6/09 5:02 PM, Eric Schlegel eri...@apple.com wrote: On Aug 6, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Pierce Freeman wrote: Hi Eric: I am using the four finger swipe gesture on a Unibody MacBook Pro and the key. Neither of which SetSystemUIMode overrides. Yes, that's the problem. SetSystemUIMode doesn't prevent entering Exposé via that method. Please file a bug about that; we have the infrastructure in place finally in SnowLeopard to fix this, so we should be able to address the problem in a future release. Maybe there is a way to just set a window to be at the edges of the screen all the time, and then put the main window in front of that? I don't think I understand what you're proposing. In general, I don't think there's a way to prevent Exposé from occurring in this case, without just disabling the gesture in System Prefs. -eric ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
And is there any way to make reproduce the display capture effect without using this or SetSystemUIMode. I am attempting to make a full screen app, and don't want the user to have to disable this in the system preferences. On 8/6/09 5:02 PM, Eric Schlegel eri...@apple.com wrote: On Aug 6, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Pierce Freeman wrote: Hi Eric: I am using the four finger swipe gesture on a Unibody MacBook Pro and the key. Neither of which SetSystemUIMode overrides. Yes, that's the problem. SetSystemUIMode doesn't prevent entering Exposé via that method. Please file a bug about that; we have the infrastructure in place finally in SnowLeopard to fix this, so we should be able to address the problem in a future release. Maybe there is a way to just set a window to be at the edges of the screen all the time, and then put the main window in front of that? I don't think I understand what you're proposing. In general, I don't think there's a way to prevent Exposé from occurring in this case, without just disabling the gesture in System Prefs. -eric ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Pierce Freeman wrote: And is there any way to make reproduce the display capture effect without using this or SetSystemUIMode. I'm not quite clear on what you're saying here. When you say without using this, do you mean without actually capturing the display? Why don't you want to use the display capture API[1] if you're looking to achieve the capture of the display? Regards, Ken [1] http://developer.apple.com/documentation/graphicsimaging/Reference/Quartz_Services_Ref/Reference/reference.html#//apple_ref/c/func/CGCaptureAllDisplaysWithOptions ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On Aug 6, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Pierce Freeman wrote: Hi Eric: I'll make sure to file a big about that - hopefully it can get resolved before shipment. But, when using the key, it should stop Exposé, shouldn't it? I have also tested this and it still doesn't work. Any ideas? Hmm, yes, the keystroke to invoke Exposé should still be blocked. I can't say offhand why it wouldn't be. And is there any way to make reproduce the display capture effect without using this or SetSystemUIMode. I am attempting to make a full screen app, and don't want the user to have to disable this in the system preferences. You can actually capture the display with the CGDisplayCapture API - Exposé can't be invoked when the display is captured. Otherwise, I don't think so. -eric ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
Hi Eric, On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:46 AM, Eric Schlegel wrote: Hmm, yes, the keystroke to invoke Exposé should still be blocked. I can't say offhand why it wouldn't be. I filed a bug on this originally in 2005 (it is still open), radar://4376456 In that specific case, Front Row can bypass kiosk mode, if the remote control is not deactivated in the System Prefs. I sent in a follow-up when Exposé shipped, because that also overrode kiosk mode. I don't see a radar for that one though, so it was probably sent in as a either a DTS incident, or an email to one of the engineers that wrote back regarding that radar bug. My point here is that while I realize these are fairly specific issues, it can become an issue for anyone writing software that will be used in a kiosk-like environment. I'd LOVE to see these resolved. Maybe there is still time to see that in Snow Leopard? ;-) Thank you! -Chilton Webb___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Pierce Freeman wrote: I am wondering if anyone knows of a way to disable Exposé in SystemUIMode. I am using this class to create a kiosk-based application and don't want the user to be able to switch between other windows. If there isn't a way to do this inside the class, is there another class that can accomplish this instead? Using SetSystemUIMode disables Expose in my app just fine. I call it with these parameters: OSStatus status = SetSystemUIMode (kUIModeAllHidden, kUIOptionDisableProcessSwitch); There's a technote here which covers the options (although seems a bit outdated) http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2062.html ___ Ricky A. Sharp mailto:rsh...@instantinteractive.com Instant Interactive(tm) http://www.instantinteractive.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Disabling Exposé in SystemUIMode
Hi Ricky: Which version of OS X are you using? With the latest of Leopard, it just doesn't seem to work. On 8/5/09 7:34 PM, Ricky Sharp rsh...@mac.com wrote: On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Pierce Freeman wrote: I am wondering if anyone knows of a way to disable Exposé in SystemUIMode. I am using this class to create a kiosk-based application and don't want the user to be able to switch between other windows. If there isn't a way to do this inside the class, is there another class that can accomplish this instead? Using SetSystemUIMode disables Expose in my app just fine. I call it with these parameters: OSStatus status = SetSystemUIMode (kUIModeAllHidden, kUIOptionDisableProcessSwitch); There's a technote here which covers the options (although seems a bit outdated) http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2062.html ___ Ricky A. Sharp mailto:rsh...@instantinteractive.com Instant Interactive(tm) http://www.instantinteractive.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
