[CODE4LIB]

[Kevin S. Clarke]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Peter Murray  wrote:

> It does make sense to reserve a percentage of slots for first-time Code4Lib 
> presenters. 15% sounds like a good number to experiment with for next year. 
> Are there any objections from the community for doing that?  (Do we need to 
> find a way to formalize consensus in the group?)

I agree, good idea!

+1

Kevin

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship & Buddies

[Cynthia Ng]

Getting traction for mentoring online is always difficult, but what
about starting that mentorship at code4libcon?

Maybe almost like a buddy system, so that the first meeting between a
mentor and mentee is at a code4libcon (national, regional, or
otherwise) if possible.

This might simply be a good idea for first timers who are not going
with colleagues too.

Just throwing out some ideas here...

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Nick Ruest  wrote:
> Matt McCollow proposed something like this a while back. We have a page up
> and everything! But, it never got much traction.
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg14270.html
> http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Mentorship
>
> -nruest
>
> On 12-11-27 07:30 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:
>>
>> +1 to this idea. I have benefited tremendously over the years from kind
>> people taking me under their wings. Many of us try to do this one-on-one,
>> but some kind of introduction service would be a huge benefit for the
>> community, I would think.
>>
>> Mentorship is a great example of a robust solution - a solution that
>> addresses more than one problem at once. I suspect that this would not only
>> improve our diversity as a community, it might also solve some tech
>> leadership / succession planning problems and maybe expose some training
>> needs.
>>
>> Bess
>>
>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Nathan Tallman  wrote:
>>
>>> This is a slightly different topic, but relates to Kelley's post: Does
>>> code4lib have a mentor program where more inexperienced geeks can pair up
>>> with someone to guide their development? I don't have anyone like that in
>>> my network, but would really like to. I don't mean to discount the
>>> existing
>>> resources on code4lib or this list, which both have been very useful. I'm
>>> sure I could just start by attending some of the conferences, but for
>>> more
>>> inexperienced people they can be a bit intimidating, albeit inspiring.
>>>
>>> It would also be a way to directly engage minorities.
>>>
>>> Just a thought.
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Kelley McGrath 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly
 asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written
 my
 first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the
 editorial
 committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks
 Jonathan!).

 It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of
 lurkers
 who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more
 involved.

 As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop
 on
 implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in
 the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started
 auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the
 different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether
 a
 stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's
 impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an
 interesting experiment to leave off the names.

 Kelley

 PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of
 the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more
 to
 do with not being a coder than with being a woman.


 **
 Kelley McGrath
 Metadata Management Librarian
 University of Oregon Libraries
 1299 University of Oregon
 Eugene, OR 97403

 541-346-8232
 kell...@uoregon.edu

>
> --
> -nruest

[CODE4LIB]

[Cary Gordon]

I think that is a reasonable number, but I also think that the entire
process needs review and (more) discussion.

Thanks,

Cary

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Peter Murray  wrote:
> Speaking from the program committee perspective, we went through the 
> proposals that were voted into the conference by the community and made sure 
> there was each presenter was at the podium for only one presentation. There 
> was one case where we asked someone who was voted in for a solo presentation 
> and also a joint presentation to relinquish one spot, which happened.
>
> It does make sense to reserve a percentage of slots for first-time Code4Lib 
> presenters. 15% sounds like a good number to experiment with for next year. 
> Are there any objections from the community for doing that?  (Do we need to 
> find a way to formalize consensus in the group?)
>
>
> Peter
>
> On Nov 27, 2012, at 8:27 PM, "Roy Tennant"  wrote:
>
>> I also think it is a good idea to reserve a certain number/percentage of
>> speaking slots to first-time presenters. I also want to bring up (again)
>> the issue of presenters presenting more than once. We are looking at a
>> conference with 400 attendees -- 400! How can we justify having anyone on
>> the podium more than once? I mean, seriously?
>>
>> I think we need to realize that we have grown to the point that we need
>> more management than we have in the past. Remember that we also still have
>> open-ended slots for lightning talks and breakouts. It isn't like I'm
>> calling for the kind of strictness that ALA imposes.
>> Roy
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Edward M Corrado 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not thrilled with the idea of anonymous proposals as I think that
>>> goes against the openness non-organization that is code4lib. Also based on
>>> the numbers posted earlier it seems inputs are more of an issue then the
>>> voting.
>>>
>>> However, I love the idea of X number of presentations reserved for first
>>> time presenters. I don't know what the value of X should be but Bess's idea
>>> of 15% sounds good to me.
>>>
>>> I'd personally also like to see a limit to the number of talks someone can
>>> give or propose, but I know this has been brought up before and, at least
>>> in the past, there was not overwhelming support for this.
>>>
>>> Edward
>>>
>>> --
>>> Edward M. Corrado
>>>
>>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 18:41, Bess Sadler  wrote:
>>>
 I am not volunteering to write the voting mechanism for this, but what
>>> if we had two rounds of voting?

 1. First round, anonymous (people who follow these things avidly would
>>> of course have read everyone's names on the wiki, but I think for most
>>> people not having the names listed means you have removed the names from
>>> consideration). We use the current system of assigning points. Once you've
>>> cast that ballot, then you get ballot 2:

 2. The same ballot with the names present. You now have the opportunity
>>> to change your vote, if you want to. It might be because you didn't realize
>>> that person who secretly bores you was one of the speakers. It might be
>>> because what at first looked like just another talk about marc software
>>> sounds more compelling if its from someone who's never spoken before.

 I wonder if we might also set aside a separate competition for first
>>> time speakers? Say, 15% of the talks? Assuming that generally speaking,
>>> offering ways for early-career folks or those new to public speaking to
>>> participate is a good thing and would benefit diversity as a bonus.

 Bess

 On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Kelley McGrath  wrote:

> I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly
>>> asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written my
>>> first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the editorial
>>> committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks Jonathan!).
>
> It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of
>>> lurkers who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more
>>> involved.
>
> As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop
>>> on implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in
>>> the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started
>>> auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the
>>> different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether a
>>> stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's
>>> impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an
>>> interesting experiment to leave off the names.
>
> Kelley
>
> PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of
>>> the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more to
>>> do with not being a coder than with being a woman.
>
>
> ***

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Cynthia Ng]

I'm really glad to see this discussion continuing. It seems like
there's a good amount of support for at least giving a certain amount
of sessions over for the program committee to decide.

At 15%, we'd be looking at 3-4 slots reserved for the program
committee (whoever that might be next year) to do with as they wish.
If there's no opposition, I'd still like to propose giving the
committee the flexibility to use those slots to "diversify" the
program, one major consideration being first time presenters, but not
being an absolute requirement.

Limits
As of right now, we are still sticking to these limits, and I'd be in
favour of keeping it
* 1 presentation max per person (not including pre-conf)
* 2 presenters max per presentation
* No limit on number of proposals per person

Agreed: presenter anonymity--

[CODE4LIB]

[Ross Singer]

On Nov 27, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Nick Ruest  wrote:

> Matt McCollow proposed something like this a while back. We have a page up 
> and everything! But, it never got much traction.
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg14270.html
> http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Mentorship

I really like the idea of the mentorship, but I think that if people are 
apprehensive about asking questions on a mailing list or in an IRC channel, it 
takes it to a new level when asking somebody to help you one-on-one for an 
extended period of time.

And I say that as somebody would love to mentor someone.

I had a conference proposal that I can up with the night before the CfP closed 
that was project board for libraries to jointly collaborate on developing the 
sorts projects that get built over and over again at every library, with the 
idea that collaborative development could both immediately expand the 
development teams at any given library, but also foster this sort of 
mentor/learner relationship.

At the end of the day, though, I wasn't sure that anybody would actually get 
over our usual "we're all unique little snowflakes" mindset and work with other 
institutions to get stuff done.  In the interest of full disclosure, what 
/actually/ happened at the end of the day was the DPLA AppFest wound up at the 
Honest Pint and when I got home I went to bed.

But I'm pretty sure that first part would be a hurdle, though.

-Ross.

> 
> -nruest
> On 12-11-27 07:30 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:
>> +1 to this idea. I have benefited tremendously over the years from kind 
>> people taking me under their wings. Many of us try to do this one-on-one, 
>> but some kind of introduction service would be a huge benefit for the 
>> community, I would think.
>> 
>> Mentorship is a great example of a robust solution - a solution that 
>> addresses more than one problem at once. I suspect that this would not only 
>> improve our diversity as a community, it might also solve some tech 
>> leadership / succession planning problems and maybe expose some training 
>> needs.
>> 
>> Bess
>> 
>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Nathan Tallman  wrote:
>> 
>>> This is a slightly different topic, but relates to Kelley's post: Does
>>> code4lib have a mentor program where more inexperienced geeks can pair up
>>> with someone to guide their development? I don't have anyone like that in
>>> my network, but would really like to. I don't mean to discount the existing
>>> resources on code4lib or this list, which both have been very useful. I'm
>>> sure I could just start by attending some of the conferences, but for more
>>> inexperienced people they can be a bit intimidating, albeit inspiring.
>>> 
>>> It would also be a way to directly engage minorities.
>>> 
>>> Just a thought.
>>> 
>>> Nathan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Kelley McGrath  wrote:
>>> 
 I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly
 asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written my
 first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the editorial
 committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks Jonathan!).
 
 It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of lurkers
 who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more involved.
 
 As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop on
 implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in
 the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started
 auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the
 different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether a
 stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's
 impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an
 interesting experiment to leave off the names.
 
 Kelley
 
 PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of
 the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more to
 do with not being a coder than with being a woman.
 
 
 **
 Kelley McGrath
 Metadata Management Librarian
 University of Oregon Libraries
 1299 University of Oregon
 Eugene, OR 97403
 
 541-346-8232
 kell...@uoregon.edu
 
> 
> -- 
> -nruest

Re: [CODE4LIB] Diversity of presenters (was bibliotechy's fat fingers)

[Riley, Jenn]

>
>I would be interested to see the gender breakdown in the CfP for
>comparable conferences (LITA National, Access) and if Code4lib's numbers
>are noticeably lower, meeting with those groups to determine why.
>
>-Ross.


I put together a rough comparison of attendees (rather than presenters) at
the DLF Forum 2012, which you can find at
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e6oBo9K-g0QTuMSHkmKO1Ut4MmvRB2X25U5KSAj
s8To/edit. Doing something similar for the presenters should be pretty
easy. (If I have a minute I might add that to this doc.) The forum
schedule is at 
http://www.diglib.org/forums/2012forum/2012-dlf-forum-schedule/ if someone
else wants to run some quick figures as well.

Jenn


Jenn Riley
Head, Carolina Digital Library and Archives
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
http://cdla.unc.edu/
http://www.lib.unc.edu/users/jlriley

jennri...@unc.edu
(919) 843-5910

[CODE4LIB]

[Andromeda Yelton]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Ross Singer  wrote:

> I had a conference proposal that I can up with the night before the CfP
> closed that was project board for libraries to jointly collaborate on
> developing the sorts projects that get built over and over again at every
> library, with the idea that collaborative development could both
> immediately expand the development teams at any given library, but also
> foster this sort of mentor/learner relationship.
>
>
I for one would love to see & help with this.

Andromeda

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Kevin S. Clarke]

Curious about the no limit on number of proposals per person.  I know
we've discussed this before, but I don't remember the reasoning for
this decision.  Is it just that we limit in the actual presentation (1
presentation max per person) so various proposals are okay?  Why not
just limit up front?

Thanks,
Kevin


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Cynthia Ng  wrote:
> I'm really glad to see this discussion continuing. It seems like
> there's a good amount of support for at least giving a certain amount
> of sessions over for the program committee to decide.
>
> At 15%, we'd be looking at 3-4 slots reserved for the program
> committee (whoever that might be next year) to do with as they wish.
> If there's no opposition, I'd still like to propose giving the
> committee the flexibility to use those slots to "diversify" the
> program, one major consideration being first time presenters, but not
> being an absolute requirement.
>
> Limits
> As of right now, we are still sticking to these limits, and I'd be in
> favour of keeping it
> * 1 presentation max per person (not including pre-conf)
> * 2 presenters max per presentation
> * No limit on number of proposals per person
>
> Agreed: presenter anonymity--

[CODE4LIB]

[Cynthia Ng]

Since there are two different topics here, I split up my replies and
renamed the subjects.

Ross: I would definitely consider maybe having a breakout about this
at the conference.

See the mentorship thread that I split off and maybe we can brainstorm
a way to get some people started with this at the conference (and
possibly beyond). I'd like to hear what you have to say

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Andromeda Yelton
 wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Ross Singer  wrote:
>
>> I had a conference proposal that I can up with the night before the CfP
>> closed that was project board for libraries to jointly collaborate on
>> developing the sorts projects that get built over and over again at every
>> library, with the idea that collaborative development could both
>> immediately expand the development teams at any given library, but also
>> foster this sort of mentor/learner relationship.
>>
>>
> I for one would love to see & help with this.
>
> Andromeda

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Cynthia Ng]

I would say, yes, it's because we limit the number of presentations.
(Though in reality, I wasn't part of the older discussions).

I'd be against limiting up front because people can propose to talk
about very different topics that may be of interest to the community.

For example, these are the two proposals that I sent in this year:
* Making the Web Accessible through Solid Design
* Getting People to What They Need Fast! A Wayfinding Tool to Locate
Books & Much More

Neither made the cut, but I would say that's beside the point.

How often do people send in more than two proposals anyway?

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Kevin S. Clarke  wrote:
> Curious about the no limit on number of proposals per person.  I know
> we've discussed this before, but I don't remember the reasoning for
> this decision.  Is it just that we limit in the actual presentation (1
> presentation max per person) so various proposals are okay?  Why not
> just limit up front?
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Cynthia Ng  wrote:
>> I'm really glad to see this discussion continuing. It seems like
>> there's a good amount of support for at least giving a certain amount
>> of sessions over for the program committee to decide.
>>
>> At 15%, we'd be looking at 3-4 slots reserved for the program
>> committee (whoever that might be next year) to do with as they wish.
>> If there's no opposition, I'd still like to propose giving the
>> committee the flexibility to use those slots to "diversify" the
>> program, one major consideration being first time presenters, but not
>> being an absolute requirement.
>>
>> Limits
>> As of right now, we are still sticking to these limits, and I'd be in
>> favour of keeping it
>> * 1 presentation max per person (not including pre-conf)
>> * 2 presenters max per presentation
>> * No limit on number of proposals per person
>>
>> Agreed: presenter anonymity--

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship & Buddies

[Becky Yoose]

Some observations about conference-y stuff:

- Newcomer dinner groups tend to see a disproportionate n/v ratio, even
with some prodding to get more established members to participate and
disperse themselves out in the groups. Then again, I can't make things
mandatory, lest I get pelted with book snakes.
- Since 2009, I've noticed that the number of first time attendees range
between over 1/3 to roughly 1/2 of the conference crowd. [1]
- Even when it's not their first code4lib conference, people at their
second or third conference still identify as newbies, so these folks might
not be comfortable being mentors quite yet...

[1] Count taken from raised hands when asked the annual "How many
code4libcons you've attended" question

Thanks,
Becky, uncaffeinated

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Cynthia Ng  wrote:

> Getting traction for mentoring online is always difficult, but what
> about starting that mentorship at code4libcon?
>
> Maybe almost like a buddy system, so that the first meeting between a
> mentor and mentee is at a code4libcon (national, regional, or
> otherwise) if possible.
>
> This might simply be a good idea for first timers who are not going
> with colleagues too.
>
> Just throwing out some ideas here...
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Nick Ruest  wrote:
> > Matt McCollow proposed something like this a while back. We have a page
> up
> > and everything! But, it never got much traction.
> >
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg14270.html
> > http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Mentorship
> >
> > -nruest
> >
> > On 12-11-27 07:30 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:
> >>
> >> +1 to this idea. I have benefited tremendously over the years from kind
> >> people taking me under their wings. Many of us try to do this
> one-on-one,
> >> but some kind of introduction service would be a huge benefit for the
> >> community, I would think.
> >>
> >> Mentorship is a great example of a robust solution - a solution that
> >> addresses more than one problem at once. I suspect that this would not
> only
> >> improve our diversity as a community, it might also solve some tech
> >> leadership / succession planning problems and maybe expose some training
> >> needs.
> >>
> >> Bess
> >>
> >> On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Nathan Tallman  wrote:
> >>
> >>> This is a slightly different topic, but relates to Kelley's post: Does
> >>> code4lib have a mentor program where more inexperienced geeks can pair
> up
> >>> with someone to guide their development? I don't have anyone like that
> in
> >>> my network, but would really like to. I don't mean to discount the
> >>> existing
> >>> resources on code4lib or this list, which both have been very useful.
> I'm
> >>> sure I could just start by attending some of the conferences, but for
> >>> more
> >>> inexperienced people they can be a bit intimidating, albeit inspiring.
> >>>
> >>> It would also be a way to directly engage minorities.
> >>>
> >>> Just a thought.
> >>>
> >>> Nathan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Kelley McGrath 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly
>  asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have
> written
>  my
>  first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the
>  editorial
>  committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks
>  Jonathan!).
> 
>  It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of
>  lurkers
>  who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more
>  involved.
> 
>  As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop
>  on
>  implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes
> in
>  the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started
>  auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the
>  different responses to the same resume/application depending on
> whether
>  a
>  stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably
> it's
>  impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an
>  interesting experiment to leave off the names.
> 
>  Kelley
> 
>  PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member
> of
>  the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has
> more
>  to
>  do with not being a coder than with being a woman.
> 
> 
>  **
>  Kelley McGrath
>  Metadata Management Librarian
>  University of Oregon Libraries
>  1299 University of Oregon
>  Eugene, OR 97403
> 
>  541-346-8232
>  kell...@uoregon.edu
> 
> >
> > --
> > -nruest
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4libTO December Meetup

[Cynthia Ng]

The next code4lib Toronto meetup has been set for Thu, Dec 13.

Come join!

Info, signup, talks signup:
http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/North#Code4lib_North_Meetups_in_Toronto

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship & Buddies

[Annette Bailey]

A possible incentive for mentoring could be a registration slot at the
conference (not paid for, just not having to join the stampede).  It might
encourage participation.

Annette

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Becky Yoose  wrote:

> Some observations about conference-y stuff:
>
> - Newcomer dinner groups tend to see a disproportionate n/v ratio, even
> with some prodding to get more established members to participate and
> disperse themselves out in the groups. Then again, I can't make things
> mandatory, lest I get pelted with book snakes.
> - Since 2009, I've noticed that the number of first time attendees range
> between over 1/3 to roughly 1/2 of the conference crowd. [1]
> - Even when it's not their first code4lib conference, people at their
> second or third conference still identify as newbies, so these folks might
> not be comfortable being mentors quite yet...
>
> [1] Count taken from raised hands when asked the annual "How many
> code4libcons you've attended" question
>
> Thanks,
> Becky, uncaffeinated
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Cynthia Ng 
> wrote:
>
> > Getting traction for mentoring online is always difficult, but what
> > about starting that mentorship at code4libcon?
> >
> > Maybe almost like a buddy system, so that the first meeting between a
> > mentor and mentee is at a code4libcon (national, regional, or
> > otherwise) if possible.
> >
> > This might simply be a good idea for first timers who are not going
> > with colleagues too.
> >
> > Just throwing out some ideas here...
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Nick Ruest  wrote:
> > > Matt McCollow proposed something like this a while back. We have a page
> > up
> > > and everything! But, it never got much traction.
> > >
> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg14270.html
> > > http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Mentorship
> > >
> > > -nruest
> > >
> > > On 12-11-27 07:30 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:
> > >>
> > >> +1 to this idea. I have benefited tremendously over the years from
> kind
> > >> people taking me under their wings. Many of us try to do this
> > one-on-one,
> > >> but some kind of introduction service would be a huge benefit for the
> > >> community, I would think.
> > >>
> > >> Mentorship is a great example of a robust solution - a solution that
> > >> addresses more than one problem at once. I suspect that this would not
> > only
> > >> improve our diversity as a community, it might also solve some tech
> > >> leadership / succession planning problems and maybe expose some
> training
> > >> needs.
> > >>
> > >> Bess
> > >>
> > >> On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Nathan Tallman 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> This is a slightly different topic, but relates to Kelley's post:
> Does
> > >>> code4lib have a mentor program where more inexperienced geeks can
> pair
> > up
> > >>> with someone to guide their development? I don't have anyone like
> that
> > in
> > >>> my network, but would really like to. I don't mean to discount the
> > >>> existing
> > >>> resources on code4lib or this list, which both have been very useful.
> > I'm
> > >>> sure I could just start by attending some of the conferences, but for
> > >>> more
> > >>> inexperienced people they can be a bit intimidating, albeit
> inspiring.
> > >>>
> > >>> It would also be a way to directly engage minorities.
> > >>>
> > >>> Just a thought.
> > >>>
> > >>> Nathan
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Kelley McGrath  >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and
> explicitly
> >  asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have
> > written
> >  my
> >  first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the
> >  editorial
> >  committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks
> >  Jonathan!).
> > 
> >  It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of
> >  lurkers
> >  who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more
> >  involved.
> > 
> >  As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good
> workshop
> >  on
> >  implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant
> changes
> > in
> >  the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates
> started
> >  auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the
> >  different responses to the same resume/application depending on
> > whether
> >  a
> >  stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably
> > it's
> >  impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be
> an
> >  interesting experiment to leave off the names.
> > 
> >  Kelley
> > 
> >  PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member
> > of
> >  the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has
> > more
> >  to
> >  do with not being a coder than with being a woman.
> > 
> 

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Ross Singer]

On Nov 28, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Cynthia Ng  wrote:
> 
> How often do people send in more than two proposals anyway?

A lot.  A whole lot.

That said, I don't think we should limit this.  If the program committee is 
comfortable with weeding the second (third, fourth!) elected proposals out in 
favor of the next most popular presentations, I don't see the problem.

FWIW, we have done this since the very first conference (Casey Durfee, I think, 
had two proposals voted in and we asked him to choose one and let the next 
highest vote getter in).

-Ross.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Kevin S. Clarke  wrote:
>> Curious about the no limit on number of proposals per person.  I know
>> we've discussed this before, but I don't remember the reasoning for
>> this decision.  Is it just that we limit in the actual presentation (1
>> presentation max per person) so various proposals are okay?  Why not
>> just limit up front?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Kevin
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Cynthia Ng  wrote:
>>> I'm really glad to see this discussion continuing. It seems like
>>> there's a good amount of support for at least giving a certain amount
>>> of sessions over for the program committee to decide.
>>> 
>>> At 15%, we'd be looking at 3-4 slots reserved for the program
>>> committee (whoever that might be next year) to do with as they wish.
>>> If there's no opposition, I'd still like to propose giving the
>>> committee the flexibility to use those slots to "diversify" the
>>> program, one major consideration being first time presenters, but not
>>> being an absolute requirement.
>>> 
>>> Limits
>>> As of right now, we are still sticking to these limits, and I'd be in
>>> favour of keeping it
>>> * 1 presentation max per person (not including pre-conf)
>>> * 2 presenters max per presentation
>>> * No limit on number of proposals per person
>>> 
>>> Agreed: presenter anonymity--

Re: [CODE4LIB] 2013 Code4lib Conference Registration (Change of time)

[Andrew Nagy]

Will there be reserved registration slots for speakers, or do they need to
be on ready to register 2 minutes before noon-eastern like a Bruce
Springstein concert?

-- Forwarded message --
From: Francis Kayiwa 
Date: Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM
Subject: [CODE4LIB] 2013 Code4lib Conference Registration (Change of time)
To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu


Looks like quite a few of you missed the change of Registration date. If
you have registered today you did so on the "Test Server" and will need
to register next week.

Registration was moved to December 4th at noon Eastern Standard Time.

regards,
./fxk
--
Documentation is the castor oil of programming.  Managers know it must
be good because the programmers hate it so much.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship & Buddies

[Ross Singer]

On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Cynthia Ng  wrote:

> Getting traction for mentoring online is always difficult, but what
> about starting that mentorship at code4libcon?
> 
+1 - being face-to-face might help ease the tension.

Having a sort of "speed dating" setup might help make better fits between 
mentors and mentees, as well.

That is, a roomful of nerds deferring passively to one another might not get us 
very far :)  Something more structured about what people want to learn and what 
mentors know and how they get along together would probably make for a more 
productive outcome.

-Ross.

> Maybe almost like a buddy system, so that the first meeting between a
> mentor and mentee is at a code4libcon (national, regional, or
> otherwise) if possible.
> 
> This might simply be a good idea for first timers who are not going
> with colleagues too.
> 
> Just throwing out some ideas here...
> 
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Nick Ruest  wrote:
>> Matt McCollow proposed something like this a while back. We have a page up
>> and everything! But, it never got much traction.
>> 
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg14270.html
>> http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Mentorship
>> 
>> -nruest
>> 
>> On 12-11-27 07:30 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:
>>> 
>>> +1 to this idea. I have benefited tremendously over the years from kind
>>> people taking me under their wings. Many of us try to do this one-on-one,
>>> but some kind of introduction service would be a huge benefit for the
>>> community, I would think.
>>> 
>>> Mentorship is a great example of a robust solution - a solution that
>>> addresses more than one problem at once. I suspect that this would not only
>>> improve our diversity as a community, it might also solve some tech
>>> leadership / succession planning problems and maybe expose some training
>>> needs.
>>> 
>>> Bess
>>> 
>>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Nathan Tallman  wrote:
>>> 
 This is a slightly different topic, but relates to Kelley's post: Does
 code4lib have a mentor program where more inexperienced geeks can pair up
 with someone to guide their development? I don't have anyone like that in
 my network, but would really like to. I don't mean to discount the
 existing
 resources on code4lib or this list, which both have been very useful. I'm
 sure I could just start by attending some of the conferences, but for
 more
 inexperienced people they can be a bit intimidating, albeit inspiring.
 
 It would also be a way to directly engage minorities.
 
 Just a thought.
 
 Nathan
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Kelley McGrath 
 wrote:
 
> I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly
> asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written
> my
> first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the
> editorial
> committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks
> Jonathan!).
> 
> It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of
> lurkers
> who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more
> involved.
> 
> As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop
> on
> implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in
> the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started
> auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the
> different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether
> a
> stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's
> impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an
> interesting experiment to leave off the names.
> 
> Kelley
> 
> PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of
> the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more
> to
> do with not being a coder than with being a woman.
> 
> 
> **
> Kelley McGrath
> Metadata Management Librarian
> University of Oregon Libraries
> 1299 University of Oregon
> Eugene, OR 97403
> 
> 541-346-8232
> kell...@uoregon.edu
> 
>> 
>> --
>> -nruest

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship & Buddies

[Cynthia Ng]

I think that's why it's important we try more for 1-on-1, but that
means having people who know the "regulars" (i.e. non-newbies).

So it might go something like this:
* everyone interested would sign up
* a (committee/organizing) group would match people up
* for any newbies leftover, the organizing group would ask individual
"regulars" if he/she would be willing to mentor/buddy with a
particular newbie who's interested in learning something they have to
offer

It's then up to people to set aside a time to meet. The pairing might
only last that one meeting, it might last longer, you don't know, but
having a specific someone to go to just to ask questions if you have
any can already make a newbie feel much more welcome.

This was the sort of system we had at our library school. I haven't
asked much from my mentor, but I now have a contact at another
university library who has expanded my network and my comfort zone.

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Becky Yoose  wrote:
> Some observations about conference-y stuff:
>
> - Newcomer dinner groups tend to see a disproportionate n/v ratio, even
> with some prodding to get more established members to participate and
> disperse themselves out in the groups. Then again, I can't make things
> mandatory, lest I get pelted with book snakes.
> - Since 2009, I've noticed that the number of first time attendees range
> between over 1/3 to roughly 1/2 of the conference crowd. [1]
> - Even when it's not their first code4lib conference, people at their
> second or third conference still identify as newbies, so these folks might
> not be comfortable being mentors quite yet...
>
> [1] Count taken from raised hands when asked the annual "How many
> code4libcons you've attended" question
>
> Thanks,
> Becky, uncaffeinated
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Cynthia Ng  wrote:
>
>> Getting traction for mentoring online is always difficult, but what
>> about starting that mentorship at code4libcon?
>>
>> Maybe almost like a buddy system, so that the first meeting between a
>> mentor and mentee is at a code4libcon (national, regional, or
>> otherwise) if possible.
>>
>> This might simply be a good idea for first timers who are not going
>> with colleagues too.
>>
>> Just throwing out some ideas here...
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Nick Ruest  wrote:
>> > Matt McCollow proposed something like this a while back. We have a page
>> up
>> > and everything! But, it never got much traction.
>> >
>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg14270.html
>> > http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Mentorship
>> >
>> > -nruest
>> >
>> > On 12-11-27 07:30 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:
>> >>
>> >> +1 to this idea. I have benefited tremendously over the years from kind
>> >> people taking me under their wings. Many of us try to do this
>> one-on-one,
>> >> but some kind of introduction service would be a huge benefit for the
>> >> community, I would think.
>> >>
>> >> Mentorship is a great example of a robust solution - a solution that
>> >> addresses more than one problem at once. I suspect that this would not
>> only
>> >> improve our diversity as a community, it might also solve some tech
>> >> leadership / succession planning problems and maybe expose some training
>> >> needs.
>> >>
>> >> Bess
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Nathan Tallman  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> This is a slightly different topic, but relates to Kelley's post: Does
>> >>> code4lib have a mentor program where more inexperienced geeks can pair
>> up
>> >>> with someone to guide their development? I don't have anyone like that
>> in
>> >>> my network, but would really like to. I don't mean to discount the
>> >>> existing
>> >>> resources on code4lib or this list, which both have been very useful.
>> I'm
>> >>> sure I could just start by attending some of the conferences, but for
>> >>> more
>> >>> inexperienced people they can be a bit intimidating, albeit inspiring.
>> >>>
>> >>> It would also be a way to directly engage minorities.
>> >>>
>> >>> Just a thought.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nathan
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Kelley McGrath 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>>  I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly
>>  asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have
>> written
>>  my
>>  first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the
>>  editorial
>>  committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks
>>  Jonathan!).
>> 
>>  It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of
>>  lurkers
>>  who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more
>>  involved.
>> 
>>  As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop
>>  on
>>  implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes
>> in
>>  the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started
>>  auditioning behind screens. There a

Re: [CODE4LIB] 2013 Code4lib Conference Registration (Change of time)

[Michael J. Giarlo]

Speakers' slots are reserved.  We do need to register, just not precisely
at noon.

-Mike



On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Andrew Nagy  wrote:

> Will there be reserved registration slots for speakers, or do they need to
> be on ready to register 2 minutes before noon-eastern like a Bruce
> Springstein concert?
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Francis Kayiwa 
> Date: Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM
> Subject: [CODE4LIB] 2013 Code4lib Conference Registration (Change of time)
> To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu
>
>
> Looks like quite a few of you missed the change of Registration date. If
> you have registered today you did so on the "Test Server" and will need
> to register next week.
>
> Registration was moved to December 4th at noon Eastern Standard Time.
>
> regards,
> ./fxk
> --
> Documentation is the castor oil of programming.  Managers know it must
> be good because the programmers hate it so much.
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship & Buddies

[Jon Stroop]

Having a sort of "speed dating" setup might help make better fits between 
mentors and mentees, as well.
+1, not only to satisfy the 'room full of nerds' case, but also the fact 
that people spend their free time @ code4libcon in a variety of ways, 
and not everyone might want to, e.g., wind up in the hospitality suite.



On 11/28/2012 09:45 AM, Ross Singer wrote:

On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Cynthia Ng  wrote:


Getting traction for mentoring online is always difficult, but what
about starting that mentorship at code4libcon?


+1 - being face-to-face might help ease the tension.

Having a sort of "speed dating" setup might help make better fits between 
mentors and mentees, as well.

That is, a roomful of nerds deferring passively to one another might not get us 
very far :)  Something more structured about what people want to learn and what 
mentors know and how they get along together would probably make for a more 
productive outcome.

-Ross.


Maybe almost like a buddy system, so that the first meeting between a
mentor and mentee is at a code4libcon (national, regional, or
otherwise) if possible.

This might simply be a good idea for first timers who are not going
with colleagues too.

Just throwing out some ideas here...

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Nick Ruest  wrote:

Matt McCollow proposed something like this a while back. We have a page up
and everything! But, it never got much traction.

http://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg14270.html
http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Mentorship

-nruest

On 12-11-27 07:30 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:

+1 to this idea. I have benefited tremendously over the years from kind
people taking me under their wings. Many of us try to do this one-on-one,
but some kind of introduction service would be a huge benefit for the
community, I would think.

Mentorship is a great example of a robust solution - a solution that
addresses more than one problem at once. I suspect that this would not only
improve our diversity as a community, it might also solve some tech
leadership / succession planning problems and maybe expose some training
needs.

Bess

On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Nathan Tallman  wrote:


This is a slightly different topic, but relates to Kelley's post: Does
code4lib have a mentor program where more inexperienced geeks can pair up
with someone to guide their development? I don't have anyone like that in
my network, but would really like to. I don't mean to discount the
existing
resources on code4lib or this list, which both have been very useful. I'm
sure I could just start by attending some of the conferences, but for
more
inexperienced people they can be a bit intimidating, albeit inspiring.

It would also be a way to directly engage minorities.

Just a thought.

Nathan


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Kelley McGrath 
wrote:


I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly
asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written
my
first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the
editorial
committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks
Jonathan!).

It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of
lurkers
who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more
involved.

As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop
on
implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in
the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started
auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the
different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether
a
stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's
impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an
interesting experiment to leave off the names.

Kelley

PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of
the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more
to
do with not being a coder than with being a woman.


**
Kelley McGrath
Metadata Management Librarian
University of Oregon Libraries
1299 University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403

541-346-8232
kell...@uoregon.edu


--
-nruest

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship & Buddies

[Michael J. Giarlo]

How about someone volunteer to do a lightning talk "pitch" of the
mentorship idea, recommending folks "register" on the aforementioned wiki
page (for both mentors and mentees), and then they can meet up at a
follow-on breakout?

-Mike



On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Ross Singer  wrote:

> On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Cynthia Ng  wrote:
>
> > Getting traction for mentoring online is always difficult, but what
> > about starting that mentorship at code4libcon?
> >
> +1 - being face-to-face might help ease the tension.
>
> Having a sort of "speed dating" setup might help make better fits between
> mentors and mentees, as well.
>
> That is, a roomful of nerds deferring passively to one another might not
> get us very far :)  Something more structured about what people want to
> learn and what mentors know and how they get along together would probably
> make for a more productive outcome.
>
> -Ross.
>
> > Maybe almost like a buddy system, so that the first meeting between a
> > mentor and mentee is at a code4libcon (national, regional, or
> > otherwise) if possible.
> >
> > This might simply be a good idea for first timers who are not going
> > with colleagues too.
> >
> > Just throwing out some ideas here...
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Nick Ruest  wrote:
> >> Matt McCollow proposed something like this a while back. We have a page
> up
> >> and everything! But, it never got much traction.
> >>
> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg14270.html
> >> http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Mentorship
> >>
> >> -nruest
> >>
> >> On 12-11-27 07:30 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:
> >>>
> >>> +1 to this idea. I have benefited tremendously over the years from kind
> >>> people taking me under their wings. Many of us try to do this
> one-on-one,
> >>> but some kind of introduction service would be a huge benefit for the
> >>> community, I would think.
> >>>
> >>> Mentorship is a great example of a robust solution - a solution that
> >>> addresses more than one problem at once. I suspect that this would not
> only
> >>> improve our diversity as a community, it might also solve some tech
> >>> leadership / succession planning problems and maybe expose some
> training
> >>> needs.
> >>>
> >>> Bess
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Nathan Tallman 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  This is a slightly different topic, but relates to Kelley's post: Does
>  code4lib have a mentor program where more inexperienced geeks can
> pair up
>  with someone to guide their development? I don't have anyone like
> that in
>  my network, but would really like to. I don't mean to discount the
>  existing
>  resources on code4lib or this list, which both have been very useful.
> I'm
>  sure I could just start by attending some of the conferences, but for
>  more
>  inexperienced people they can be a bit intimidating, albeit inspiring.
> 
>  It would also be a way to directly engage minorities.
> 
>  Just a thought.
> 
>  Nathan
> 
> 
>  On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Kelley McGrath 
>  wrote:
> 
> > I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and
> explicitly
> > asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have
> written
> > my
> > first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the
> > editorial
> > committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks
> > Jonathan!).
> >
> > It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of
> > lurkers
> > who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more
> > involved.
> >
> > As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good
> workshop
> > on
> > implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant
> changes in
> > the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates
> started
> > auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the
> > different responses to the same resume/application depending on
> whether
> > a
> > stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably
> it's
> > impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an
> > interesting experiment to leave off the names.
> >
> > Kelley
> >
> > PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member
> of
> > the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has
> more
> > to
> > do with not being a coder than with being a woman.
> >
> >
> > **
> > Kelley McGrath
> > Metadata Management Librarian
> > University of Oregon Libraries
> > 1299 University of Oregon
> > Eugene, OR 97403
> >
> > 541-346-8232
> > kell...@uoregon.edu
> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> -nruest
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Edward M. Corrado]

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Cynthia Ng  wrote:



> How often do people send in more than two proposals anyway?

There were a number this year and there has been in the past as well.

I favor limiting up front. One of the issues we have been discussing
is that perception that Code4Lib is not as inclusive as it can or
should be. I believe having multiple proposals from the same person(s)
and, for that matter, multiple proposals from the same institution(s),
does nothing to help counter this perception, and possibly perpetuates
it.

Edward

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Ross Singer]

On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Edward M. Corrado  wrote:
> 
> I favor limiting up front. One of the issues we have been discussing
> is that perception that Code4Lib is not as inclusive as it can or
> should be. I believe having multiple proposals from the same person(s)
> and, for that matter, multiple proposals from the same institution(s),
> does nothing to help counter this perception, and possibly perpetuates
> it.

Since I'm pretty intimately aware of the minutiae of the proposals (since I 
have to load them one-by-one into the diebold-o-tron every year), I am pretty 
sure that multiple proposal submission is not the exclusive domain of 
conference veterans.

It is a pretty healthy mix of people I know and people I don't.

While I still stick to not having a problem with multiple submissions, I can 
see an issue in the case of second proposals that are similar to other 
proposals.  That said, the process is never going to be perfect, having some 
editorial discretion on the part of the program committee seems to me to 
mitigate the worst of the downsides.

-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] 2013 Code4lib Conference Registration (Change of time)

[Dave Menninger]

/de-lurk

Would this imply that non-speakers (n00bs) should treat registration like a
Springstein show with the potential of selling out within minutes and have
our browsers set to go at noon if we want a chance of getting in?

~Dave

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Michael J. Giarlo <
leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu> wrote:

> Speakers' slots are reserved.  We do need to register, just not precisely
> at noon.
>
> -Mike
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Andrew Nagy  wrote:
>
> > Will there be reserved registration slots for speakers, or do they need
> to
> > be on ready to register 2 minutes before noon-eastern like a Bruce
> > Springstein concert?
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Francis Kayiwa 
> > Date: Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM
> > Subject: [CODE4LIB] 2013 Code4lib Conference Registration (Change of
> time)
> > To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu
> >
> >
> > Looks like quite a few of you missed the change of Registration date. If
> > you have registered today you did so on the "Test Server" and will need
> > to register next week.
> >
> > Registration was moved to December 4th at noon Eastern Standard Time.
> >
> > regards,
> > ./fxk
> > --
> > Documentation is the castor oil of programming.  Managers know it must
> > be good because the programmers hate it so much.
> >
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] 2013 Code4lib Conference Registration (Change of time)

[Francis Kayiwa]

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:27:04AM -0500, Dave Menninger wrote:
> /de-lurk
> 
> Would this imply that non-speakers (n00bs) should treat registration like a
> Springstein show with the potential of selling out within minutes and have
> our browsers set to go at noon if we want a chance of getting in?

This is in your interest to do that. Last year was close to Dark Lord
Day[0] tickets.

./fxk

[0]
http://www.beerpulse.com/2012/03/dark-lord-day-2012-tickets-come-and-go-in-minutes/


-- 
Blore's Razor:
Given a choice between two theories, take the one which is
funnier.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Jay Luker]

As a conference-goer I dislike the idea of limiting proposal submissions
for the same reason I dislike term limits: it doesn't let *me* choose from
all possibilities. The restriction cuts both ways in that it doesn't just
put a limit on presenters but on my choices as well.

--jay


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Ross Singer  wrote:

> On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Edward M. Corrado 
> wrote:
> >
> > I favor limiting up front. One of the issues we have been discussing
> > is that perception that Code4Lib is not as inclusive as it can or
> > should be. I believe having multiple proposals from the same person(s)
> > and, for that matter, multiple proposals from the same institution(s),
> > does nothing to help counter this perception, and possibly perpetuates
> > it.
>
> Since I'm pretty intimately aware of the minutiae of the proposals (since
> I have to load them one-by-one into the diebold-o-tron every year), I am
> pretty sure that multiple proposal submission is not the exclusive domain
> of conference veterans.
>
> It is a pretty healthy mix of people I know and people I don't.
>
> While I still stick to not having a problem with multiple submissions, I
> can see an issue in the case of second proposals that are similar to other
> proposals.  That said, the process is never going to be perfect, having
> some editorial discretion on the part of the program committee seems to me
> to mitigate the worst of the downsides.
>
> -Ross.
>

[CODE4LIB] Job: Curation Tools and Services Developer at University of Edinburgh

[jobs]

We require a self-motivated developer with a broad range of technical
expertise and design flair to maintain and enhance the DCC's tools, resources
and applications, including the DCC website.

  
This post is fixed term to 31 July 2013 in the first instance. Further funding
is anticipated for the strategically important work of the DCC, in which case
the contract is likely to be extended.

  
Secondment will be considered.

  
Job Purpose

  
We require a developer with technical and design expertise to manage the DCC's
tools and resources, including the DCC website.

  
This post is based at Appleton Tower in the central area of the University of
Edinburgh and forms part of an integrated UK team, with activities undertaken
in concert with staff from the DCC's other two partner sites. Engaged to
pursue certain specific objectives you will also be expected to contribute
towards the broader delivery of digital curation services and resources to our
collaborators and stakeholders in the UK Higher and Further Education
communities.

  
Main Responsibilities (aaprox % of time)

  
1.Maintenance and enhancement of existing and forthcoming DCC Web applications
such as DMP Online and internal services such as Sharepoint. 20%

2.Co-ordinate with external bodies in their integration and deployment of DCC
tools and applications. 15%

3.In collaboration with relevant external providers enable the deployment of
DCC applications in the cloud.15%

4.Scope, plan and develop approved new DCC tools and applications required by
the DCC stakeholder community.20%

5.Identify and/or respond to requirements for the technical enhancement and
fault fixing of the DCC website, liaising with the technical teams in
Information Services and others as required.20%

6.Support the DCC's outreach programme by contributing to seminars, workshops
and training events.10%

  
Planning & Organising

  * Planning and self-managing a schedule of activities with imposed deadlines 
and customer-led specifications.
  * In liaison with DCC management and staff, and working closely with site 
support, develop options for the continuous improvement of the DCC website as a 
medium of resource delivery and interaction with DCC stakeholders.
  * Produce timely and achievable development plans for DCC tools provision; 
provide reports on progress to DCC management.
  
Problem Solving

  * Produce and/or secure effective solutions to technical requirements for 
technology-based services and in the website development programme.
  * Explore, evaluate and select technical solutions that incorporate standards 
and technologies based on sound curation principles. Prepare documentation that 
describes and explains technical decisions in a manner that is accessible to 
non-technical colleagues.
  * Contribute to the DCC's research into resources that can be sustained as an 
authoritative, multidisciplinary and sufficiently complete body of knowledge to 
effectively support best practice in curation.
  
Decision Making

  * Decisions concerning which tools and methods to recommend and use as most 
effective and economical in the implementation of online services.
  * Decisions concerning optimum methods for the presentation and delivery of 
the DCC collection of online resources.
  * Ensure that other DCC constituents are made appropriately (selectively) 
aware of activities identified and solutions being implemented.
  
Key Contacts/Relationships

  * Essential to develop knowledge of those undertaking or promoting best 
practice in data management solutions within the HE community and to cement 
working relationships.
  * Essential to work in close collaboration with the DCC staff responsible for 
the quality assurance of the DCC's online content and promotion of DCC services 
and resources.
  * Essential to develop harmonious working relationships with the Edinburgh 
University IS system server team and with any third party provider contracted 
by the DCC.
  * Members of the broader HE community, including service providers, policy 
makers and national agencies, to enable the identification and promotion of 
opportunities for the DCC.
  * Work closely with the JISC programme managers to identify and respond to 
requirements in support of JISC-funded projects.
  * Support the Director and Associate Director (Edinburgh) as well as DCC 
colleagues across the partner sites.
  
Knowledge, Skills & Experience

  
Qualifications

  * Possess a good first degree (or equivalent). A further degree in a relevant 
discipline would be advantageous.
  * Knowledge of the digital curation and preservation community and its 
stakeholders.
  * Demonstrable familiarity with the principles of web design.
  * Broad experience in the use of software development tools.
  
Attributes

  * Self-motivated and enthusiastic.
  * Willingness and ability to work as part of a distributed team.
  * Gift for attention to detail.
  
Skills

  * Developed portfolio of experience in the applicat

[CODE4LIB] Job: Web Programmer/Developer at Cornell University

[jobs]

Cornell University Library, Information Technologies is seeking a Web
Programmer/Developer. The selected candidate will provide advanced programming
support for CUL-IT digital library, discovery systems and services through
design, development, programming, production, and documentation of
professional-quality Web applications for digital library collections and
other technical projects. Develop Web services to deliver content from CUL
digital collections and networked resources. Maintain evolving sites,
including Drupal implementations. Apply solid technical and programming
expertise of software, hardware, operating system, database and web
programming languages in accomplishing these tasks. Actively serve as a staff
member of CUL-IT and CUL.

  
This will be a 2 year term position with possibility of renewal.

Qualifications

  
Bachelor's degree or equivalent. Five-seven years extensive experience with
web design and programming, including HTML, JavaSript, CSS, XML, SQL and
scripting languages (PHP preferred). Strong background with Web-based content
management systems (Drupal preferred) and three-tier Web application
frameworks such as Ruby on Rails, as well as with relational database
management systems such as MySQL. Ability to work effectively with a variety
of people on team projects. Excellent oral and written communication
skills. Evidence of ability to plan, analyze and solve
problems creatively and flexibly, and succeed in a complex, rapidly changing
environment. Strong service orientation and interest in
information users' values and needs.

  
Preferred: Master's degree in an information science (library science,
information science, computer science, or equivalent).
Experience with multiple languages such as Java and Perl. Familiarity with
Agile programming and project best practices such as test driven development,
continuous integration, source code control (Git preferred) and working in
sprints. Working experience with metadata standards, digital collection
management systems, library management systems, and software application
design/development/customization in a networked environment. Demonstrated
awareness of digital collection management and metadata
issues. Demonstrated experience evaluating usability and
creating user-friendly interfaces. Experience with latest HTML5, CSS3 and
mobile technologies and frameworks.



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[CODE4LIB] Job: Associate University Librarian and Director of Digital Initiatives & Collaborative Services at University of California, Berkeley

[jobs]

The University of California at Berkeley invites applications for the position
of Associate University Librarian (AUL) and Director of Digital Initiatives &
Collaborative Services. This position is central to Berkeley's goal of
enhanced access to library resources for users on campus and off campus.
Drawing upon expertise from across the Berkeley Library, campus partners, and
UC System, the AUL supports Berkeley's dynamic, research-intensive
environment. As the primary technology planner for the Library, the AUL sets
policy and strategic directions to ensure the Library maintains a reliable,
scalable, and sustainable technology infrastructure; robust computing services
for library users and library staff; vibrant web services, and expanding
digital initiatives. The AUL also provides leadership and direction for the
policies and services related to other collaborations reaching beyond the
Berkeley campus such as the UC Berkeley Library Interlibrary Services and the
Northern Regional Library Facility shared by the five northern UC campuses.
With the tools to shape access to both legacy collections and newly digitized
ones, the AUL will be an architect of new models for networked information.

  
Along with other members of the Library's senior management team, this AUL is
responsible for enhancing the vision of the Library as an exemplar of
research, scholarship, learning, teaching, and collaboration; establishing a
clear direction for the future of the Library as an integrated system;
directing operations of one or more divisions of the Library; serving as a
fair, progressive leader to the Library's staff; leading library-wide
discussions and decision-making; creating and communicating Library policies;
as well as gaining and leveraging resources for maximum impact on the Library.
The Library seeks a person with proven experience as well as fresh ideas.

  
The Environment

The UC Berkeley Library is an internationally renowned research and teaching
facility at one of the nation's premiere public universities. In a highly-
diverse and intellectually-rich environment, Berkeley serves a campus
community of 25,500 undergraduate students, 10,300 graduate students, and
2,000 faculty.

  
The Library comprises 20 campus libraries - including the Doe/Moffitt
Libraries, the Bancroft Library, the C. V. Starr East Asian Library and
subject specialty libraries. With a collection of more than 11 million volumes
and a collections budget of over $15 million, the Library offers extensive
collections in all formats and robust services to connect users with those
collections and build their related research skills. Through creative
arrangements with other research libraries and foreign countries, the Library
continues to explore new roles and approaches for academic research libraries.
The Library has a current operations budget of approximately $39 million with
approximately 380 FTE employees. The Library is a member of the Center for
Research Libraries (CRL), Association of Research Libraries (ARL), Online
Computer Library Center (OCLC), Council on Library and Information Resources
(CLIR), and the Coalition for Networked Information (CNI). Berkeley actively
partners with the California Digital Library (CDL) and manages the system-wide
Northern Regional Library Facility (NRLF) at the nearby Richmond Field
Station.

  
Summary of Responsibilities

  
The AUL has the responsibility for developing library initiatives that enhance
access to, discovery of, and usability of resources within and beyond our
collections. To this end, the AUL works collaboratively with library staff
(from areas such as public services, systems, and collection services),
faculty, students, campus units, the California Digital Library, our sister UC
campuses, and other partners in order to innovate, design, develop, and
support tools, approaches, and processes to effectively meet the needs of
novice users and advanced researchers.

  
Reporting to the University Librarian, the AUL and Director of Digital
Initiatives & Collaborative Services:

  * establishes criteria of excellence and effectiveness for all aspects of our 
Library's digital library initiatives, web sites and services, virtual 
services, workstations and information technology infrastructure;
  * mobilizes and supports Library staff to meet those criteria through shared 
processes and practices;
  * provides campus-wide leadership and serves as primary spokesperson for the 
Library's digital strategy and services to faculty, students, and other library 
patrons;
  * contributes to the development of local, regional and national strategies 
in areas such as digitization, digital curation, digital preservation, data 
management, e-research, and discovery services;
  * participates in fundraising and grant writing, and manages resources 
secured through these efforts;
  * supervises and provides strategic direction for several departments 
including Digital Applications and Publishing, Wor

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Edward M. Corrado]

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jay Luker  wrote:
> As a conference-goer I dislike the idea of limiting proposal submissions
> for the same reason I dislike term limits: it doesn't let *me* choose from
> all possibilities. The restriction cuts both ways in that it doesn't just
> put a limit on presenters but on my choices as well.
>
> --jay
>

I would argue that multiple submissions limits me as a voter as well.
If a person with multiple proposals gets more then one accepted, the
one I wanted more could be dropped, and if I knew it would have been
dropped, I might have voted for a presentation from someone else on a
related topic higher.

Unless we have a completely open schedule, voters, presenters, and
conference goers are all limited in some way.

Edward



>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Ross Singer  wrote:
>
>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Edward M. Corrado 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I favor limiting up front. One of the issues we have been discussing
>> > is that perception that Code4Lib is not as inclusive as it can or
>> > should be. I believe having multiple proposals from the same person(s)
>> > and, for that matter, multiple proposals from the same institution(s),
>> > does nothing to help counter this perception, and possibly perpetuates
>> > it.
>>
>> Since I'm pretty intimately aware of the minutiae of the proposals (since
>> I have to load them one-by-one into the diebold-o-tron every year), I am
>> pretty sure that multiple proposal submission is not the exclusive domain
>> of conference veterans.
>>
>> It is a pretty healthy mix of people I know and people I don't.
>>
>> While I still stick to not having a problem with multiple submissions, I
>> can see an issue in the case of second proposals that are similar to other
>> proposals.  That said, the process is never going to be perfect, having
>> some editorial discretion on the part of the program committee seems to me
>> to mitigate the worst of the downsides.
>>
>> -Ross.
>>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Edward M. Corrado]

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Ross Singer  wrote:
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Edward M. Corrado  wrote:
>>
>> I favor limiting up front. One of the issues we have been discussing
>> is that perception that Code4Lib is not as inclusive as it can or
>> should be. I believe having multiple proposals from the same person(s)
>> and, for that matter, multiple proposals from the same institution(s),
>> does nothing to help counter this perception, and possibly perpetuates
>> it.
>
> Since I'm pretty intimately aware of the minutiae of the proposals (since I 
> have to load them one-by-one into the diebold-o-tron every year), I am pretty 
> sure that multiple proposal submission is not the exclusive domain of 
> conference veterans.
>
> It is a pretty healthy mix of people I know and people I don't.

But a new person to the community doesn't know who is a veteran or not.

Edward


>
> While I still stick to not having a problem with multiple submissions, I can 
> see an issue in the case of second proposals that are similar to other 
> proposals.  That said, the process is never going to be perfect, having some 
> editorial discretion on the part of the program committee seems to me to 
> mitigate the worst of the downsides.
>
> -Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Jay Luker]

Just to clarify,

+1 on only one accepted presentation per person
-1 on only one submission per person

Sorry for any confusion.

--jay


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Edward M. Corrado wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jay Luker  wrote:
> > As a conference-goer I dislike the idea of limiting proposal submissions
> > for the same reason I dislike term limits: it doesn't let *me* choose
> from
> > all possibilities. The restriction cuts both ways in that it doesn't just
> > put a limit on presenters but on my choices as well.
> >
> > --jay
> >
>
> I would argue that multiple submissions limits me as a voter as well.
> If a person with multiple proposals gets more then one accepted, the
> one I wanted more could be dropped, and if I knew it would have been
> dropped, I might have voted for a presentation from someone else on a
> related topic higher.
>
> Unless we have a completely open schedule, voters, presenters, and
> conference goers are all limited in some way.
>
> Edward
>
>
>
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Ross Singer 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Edward M. Corrado 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I favor limiting up front. One of the issues we have been discussing
> >> > is that perception that Code4Lib is not as inclusive as it can or
> >> > should be. I believe having multiple proposals from the same person(s)
> >> > and, for that matter, multiple proposals from the same institution(s),
> >> > does nothing to help counter this perception, and possibly perpetuates
> >> > it.
> >>
> >> Since I'm pretty intimately aware of the minutiae of the proposals
> (since
> >> I have to load them one-by-one into the diebold-o-tron every year), I am
> >> pretty sure that multiple proposal submission is not the exclusive
> domain
> >> of conference veterans.
> >>
> >> It is a pretty healthy mix of people I know and people I don't.
> >>
> >> While I still stick to not having a problem with multiple submissions, I
> >> can see an issue in the case of second proposals that are similar to
> other
> >> proposals.  That said, the process is never going to be perfect, having
> >> some editorial discretion on the part of the program committee seems to
> me
> >> to mitigate the worst of the downsides.
> >>
> >> -Ross.
> >>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Kyle Banerjee]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Cynthia Ng  wrote:

> I'm really glad to see this discussion continuing. It seems like
> there's a good amount of support for at least giving a certain amount
> of sessions over for the program committee to decide.
>

Frankly, I'd favor letting them decide *all* of the sessions, the logic
being that the only reason for a program committee to exist in first place
is to put together a program.

Don't get me wrong. I like approval voting. I like the idea of putting on
what people want. But that's not the same as putting on what people ask for.

When you ask a decent sized population what they want, they'll ask for
things they know they want to learn and people they want to hear from.
What's wrong with that? For starters, it encourages intellectual
inbreeding. Problems, technologies, etc, that affect more people are
favored while things with a more select appeal get deemphasized. But IMO,
the reason to go to c4l is not to learn about X or Y, but to expose
yourself to people and things that were totally off your radar.

Secondly, the program should be a coherent whole, not a collection of
parts. People choose sessions individually without any knowledge of what
else will be on the program. Balance can only be achieved by accident or if
someone is making it happen (i.e. the program committee). People shouldn't
just be submitting things -- the committee should identify talented
individuals who aren't already known and actively recruit them. They should
directly suggest topics to people who know something but have trouble
recognizing how much their ideas would benefit the community. By taking a
much more active role in recruiting presentations, the program committee
can mitigate the self selection issue as well as tackle the diversity issue
head on. It's not like the process wouldn't still be community driven since
anyone can be on the program committee.

As far as the 15% target goes, I think that's a decent goal but would hope
it would be much higher in practice. This conference is all about
participation and sharing. At the first c4l, 100% of the sessions were by
first time attendees. I seem to remember that the vast majority of the
people attending were on the stage at some time. Besides, a lot of people
do their best work early in their careers.

And to all the people reading this who feel shy/intimidated about jumping
in, you're too respectful of the status quo. There are a lot of dedicated
people who really know what they're doing. But you should never be afraid
to call things as you see them. If everyone in a group you like thinks one
thing, and you think another, that doesn't make you wrong -- to believe
otherwise is a substitute for thinking. Creative spark rather than
technical skill is what moves us forward and many of the people who appear
very established were regarded as yahoos not that long ago.

To summarize, I favor having the program committee decide the whole program
and think their process should be informed by voting and goals of the
community.

kyle

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Chris Fitzpatrick]

 maybe i'm just being naive, but i have the feeling if we:
 a) strongly stated that we support and encourage diversity and would like
to see that reflected in our presentation lineup
 b) allowed people to include some information about themselves in the
proposal that increases voter awareness ( like "newcomer" or
"diverse perspective" or something... god, really hard not to put a joke in
here. ). The designation would be the presenter's choice.
c) simply reiterated the goals and code of conduct right before voting time
so everyone remembers the we had this discussion.

I kinda think if we did that, we'd meet our goals and would avoid having to
make a bunch of voting rule changes or form a committee.



On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Cynthia Ng 
> wrote:
>
> > I'm really glad to see this discussion continuing. It seems like
> > there's a good amount of support for at least giving a certain amount
> > of sessions over for the program committee to decide.
> >
>
> Frankly, I'd favor letting them decide *all* of the sessions, the logic
> being that the only reason for a program committee to exist in first place
> is to put together a program.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I like approval voting. I like the idea of putting on
> what people want. But that's not the same as putting on what people ask
> for.
>
> When you ask a decent sized population what they want, they'll ask for
> things they know they want to learn and people they want to hear from.
> What's wrong with that? For starters, it encourages intellectual
> inbreeding. Problems, technologies, etc, that affect more people are
> favored while things with a more select appeal get deemphasized. But IMO,
> the reason to go to c4l is not to learn about X or Y, but to expose
> yourself to people and things that were totally off your radar.
>
> Secondly, the program should be a coherent whole, not a collection of
> parts. People choose sessions individually without any knowledge of what
> else will be on the program. Balance can only be achieved by accident or if
> someone is making it happen (i.e. the program committee). People shouldn't
> just be submitting things -- the committee should identify talented
> individuals who aren't already known and actively recruit them. They should
> directly suggest topics to people who know something but have trouble
> recognizing how much their ideas would benefit the community. By taking a
> much more active role in recruiting presentations, the program committee
> can mitigate the self selection issue as well as tackle the diversity issue
> head on. It's not like the process wouldn't still be community driven since
> anyone can be on the program committee.
>
> As far as the 15% target goes, I think that's a decent goal but would hope
> it would be much higher in practice. This conference is all about
> participation and sharing. At the first c4l, 100% of the sessions were by
> first time attendees. I seem to remember that the vast majority of the
> people attending were on the stage at some time. Besides, a lot of people
> do their best work early in their careers.
>
> And to all the people reading this who feel shy/intimidated about jumping
> in, you're too respectful of the status quo. There are a lot of dedicated
> people who really know what they're doing. But you should never be afraid
> to call things as you see them. If everyone in a group you like thinks one
> thing, and you think another, that doesn't make you wrong -- to believe
> otherwise is a substitute for thinking. Creative spark rather than
> technical skill is what moves us forward and many of the people who appear
> very established were regarded as yahoos not that long ago.
>
> To summarize, I favor having the program committee decide the whole program
> and think their process should be informed by voting and goals of the
> community.
>
> kyle
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Bess Sadler]

Personally, I like the idea of being able to propose as many talks as you want 
but only give one of them. Many of us have several projects we're working on at 
any given time. Some of these might be of interest to the community and some 
not. This way I can let people know what I'm working on and allow the audience 
to tell me what they actually want to hear about. 

I hope it's okay to admit this, but it's also been my personal hedging strategy 
for making sure there are at least a few women on stage. Two of our tiny number 
of women speakers for 2013 will appear thanks to that policy. 

Bess

On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:15 AM, Kevin S. Clarke  wrote:

> Curious about the no limit on number of proposals per person.  I know
> we've discussed this before, but I don't remember the reasoning for
> this decision.  Is it just that we limit in the actual presentation (1
> presentation max per person) so various proposals are okay?  Why not
> just limit up front?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Cynthia Ng  wrote:
>> I'm really glad to see this discussion continuing. It seems like
>> there's a good amount of support for at least giving a certain amount
>> of sessions over for the program committee to decide.
>> 
>> At 15%, we'd be looking at 3-4 slots reserved for the program
>> committee (whoever that might be next year) to do with as they wish.
>> If there's no opposition, I'd still like to propose giving the
>> committee the flexibility to use those slots to "diversify" the
>> program, one major consideration being first time presenters, but not
>> being an absolute requirement.
>> 
>> Limits
>> As of right now, we are still sticking to these limits, and I'd be in
>> favour of keeping it
>> * 1 presentation max per person (not including pre-conf)
>> * 2 presenters max per presentation
>> * No limit on number of proposals per person
>> 
>> Agreed: presenter anonymity--

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey

[David Fiander]

This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant
members of the community.


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:

> I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first draft.
> As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have
> contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make
> the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the rest.
>
> Next time around we can add in an other option. Sound good?
> On Nov 27, 2012 4:22 PM, "Gabriel Farrell"  wrote:
>
> > Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the
> > community that may not be covered by the gender binary?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've
> never
> > > thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the community'
> > > means.
> > >
> > > I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything.
> > >
> > > -Ross.
> > >
> > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Um, no.  Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming
> > link
> > > > from somewhere.  This listserv is the most likely source.  So, by
> your
> > > > definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community
> > > > member.
> > > >
> > > > Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their
> > > role.
> > > > Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and
> ask
> > if
> > > > the person did them.
> > > >
> > > > -Wilhelmina Randtke
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the
> > > >> community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions,
> > you
> > > >> absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey:
> > > >>
> > > >> You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list
> > > >> You have attended a Code4Lib conference
> > > >> You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference
> > > >> You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in
> time
> > > >> You have a registered account on code4lib.org
> > > >> You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org
> > > >> You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal
> > > >> You follow planet.code4lib.org
> > > >> You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel
> > > >>
> > > >> What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of forms,
> > > don't
> > > >> feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something.
> > > >>
> > > >> -Ross.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz 
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> To our dear dear lurking friends,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> We would also like you to take the survey.  I put the "Do you
> > consider
> > > >>> yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey
> > > >> because
> > > >>> I  wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were
> > > >>> separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like
> > oh
> > > >> say
> > > >>> my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the
> > > >> community.
> > > >>> I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a
> blog.
> > >  And
> > > >>> then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk.  And now
> > > >> Michael
> > > >>> Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat
> > > room.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who
> think
> > > they
> > > >>> are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the
> first
> > > >>> question.  Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those
> > nos
> > > >> to
> > > >>> yeses.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> :)
> > > >>> A former lurker
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz <
> rosalynm...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > >  Ok Folks,
> > > 
> > >  I'm starting off small.  Let's do a quick survey of the community
> > and
> > > >> see
> > >  what the gender breakdown is.
> > > 
> > >  Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG
> > > 
> > >  It should take 1 minute to fill out.  It closes at the end of the
> > day
> > >  Friday (midnight).  I'll share the results here on Monday when
> we're
> > > all
> > >  back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they
> mean.
> > > >> Expect
> > >  a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys).
> > > 
> > >  Rosalyn
> > > 
> > >  P.S. can someone share on the twitters?
> > > 
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Cary Gordon]

Well, this is the fundamental problem, innit?

I have little doubt that a fully curated program would be more
interesting to more attendees than the current system. It would also,
presumably, be more diverse. The problems are:

a) The program committee would need to fairly vet all the proposals,
and recruit presenters to offer subjects that are desired, but aren't
proposed. This would be a non-trivial bit of work.

b) Program committee members would need a good supply of sling and
arrow repellant and an exceedingly thick skin.

Thanks,

Cary

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Kyle Banerjee  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Cynthia Ng  wrote:
>
>> I'm really glad to see this discussion continuing. It seems like
>> there's a good amount of support for at least giving a certain amount
>> of sessions over for the program committee to decide.
>>
>
> Frankly, I'd favor letting them decide *all* of the sessions, the logic
> being that the only reason for a program committee to exist in first place
> is to put together a program.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I like approval voting. I like the idea of putting on
> what people want. But that's not the same as putting on what people ask for.
>
> When you ask a decent sized population what they want, they'll ask for
> things they know they want to learn and people they want to hear from.
> What's wrong with that? For starters, it encourages intellectual
> inbreeding. Problems, technologies, etc, that affect more people are
> favored while things with a more select appeal get deemphasized. But IMO,
> the reason to go to c4l is not to learn about X or Y, but to expose
> yourself to people and things that were totally off your radar.
>
> Secondly, the program should be a coherent whole, not a collection of
> parts. People choose sessions individually without any knowledge of what
> else will be on the program. Balance can only be achieved by accident or if
> someone is making it happen (i.e. the program committee). People shouldn't
> just be submitting things -- the committee should identify talented
> individuals who aren't already known and actively recruit them. They should
> directly suggest topics to people who know something but have trouble
> recognizing how much their ideas would benefit the community. By taking a
> much more active role in recruiting presentations, the program committee
> can mitigate the self selection issue as well as tackle the diversity issue
> head on. It's not like the process wouldn't still be community driven since
> anyone can be on the program committee.
>
> As far as the 15% target goes, I think that's a decent goal but would hope
> it would be much higher in practice. This conference is all about
> participation and sharing. At the first c4l, 100% of the sessions were by
> first time attendees. I seem to remember that the vast majority of the
> people attending were on the stage at some time. Besides, a lot of people
> do their best work early in their careers.
>
> And to all the people reading this who feel shy/intimidated about jumping
> in, you're too respectful of the status quo. There are a lot of dedicated
> people who really know what they're doing. But you should never be afraid
> to call things as you see them. If everyone in a group you like thinks one
> thing, and you think another, that doesn't make you wrong -- to believe
> otherwise is a substitute for thinking. Creative spark rather than
> technical skill is what moves us forward and many of the people who appear
> very established were regarded as yahoos not that long ago.
>
> To summarize, I favor having the program committee decide the whole program
> and think their process should be informed by voting and goals of the
> community.
>
> kyle



-- 
Cary Gordon
The Cherry Hill Company
http://chillco.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey

[Karen Coyle]

On 11/28/12 10:58 AM, David Fiander wrote:

This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant
members of the community.


I don't know why you conclude that. The technical reason for not 
changing a survey mid-way through is quite solid -- it would invalidate 
the results already in. So gender variance needs to be in a new survey 
that has that in from the beginning. Anyone can set up a survey... hint, 
hint.


kc




On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:


I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first draft.
As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have
contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make
the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the rest.

Next time around we can add in an other option. Sound good?
On Nov 27, 2012 4:22 PM, "Gabriel Farrell"  wrote:


Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the
community that may not be covered by the gender binary?


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer 
wrote:


I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've

never

thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the community'
means.

I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything.

-Ross.

On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke 

wrote:

Um, no.  Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming

link

from somewhere.  This listserv is the most likely source.  So, by

your

definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community
member.

Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their

role.

Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and

ask

if

the person did them.

-Wilhelmina Randtke

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer 

wrote:

To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the
community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions,

you

absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey:

You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list
You have attended a Code4Lib conference
You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference
You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in

time

You have a registered account on code4lib.org
You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org
You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal
You follow planet.code4lib.org
You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel

What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of forms,

don't

feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something.

-Ross.

On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz 

wrote:

To our dear dear lurking friends,

We would also like you to take the survey.  I put the "Do you

consider

yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey

because

I  wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were
separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like

oh

say

my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it).

But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the

community.

I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a

blog.

  And

then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk.  And now

Michael

Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat

room.

So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who

think

they

are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the

first

question.  Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those

nos

to

yeses.

:)
A former lurker


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz <

rosalynm...@gmail.com

wrote:

Ok Folks,

I'm starting off small.  Let's do a quick survey of the community

and

see

what the gender breakdown is.

Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG

It should take 1 minute to fill out.  It closes at the end of the

day

Friday (midnight).  I'll share the results here on Monday when

we're

all

back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they

mean.

Expect

a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys).

Rosalyn

P.S. can someone share on the twitters?



--
Karen Coyle
kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
ph: 1-510-540-7596
m: 1-510-435-8234
skype: kcoylenet

[CODE4LIB]

[Erik Hetzner]

At Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:35:54 -0500,
Laura B. Palumbo wrote:
> 
> As a soon to be librarian and a female engineer, I can tell you that your
> numbers generally reflect the status of women in the STEM areas as a
> whole. According to the Economics and Statistics Administration, women
> hold less than 25% of tech jobs (2009). I think that you are right on
> target in wondering how to attract more women into the techy end of
> libraries; in addition to promoting STEM areas to young women, I feel that
> a good place to start is to advocate for more integration of coding
> (beyond basic web design) into required library courses.

Hi all,

CS (computing, programming, library tech, etc.) is especially
distressing because women are a) underrepresented when compared to
most other STEM fields (save perhaps engineering or physics), and b)
the underrepresentation of women has been getting *worse* in CS over
the past 20 years.

See, e.g., [1] and [2]

best, Erik

1. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/business/16digi.html
2. 
http://crookedtimber.org/2011/02/04/gender-divides-in-philosophy-and-other-disciplines/
Sent from my free software system .

[CODE4LIB]

[arianna]

If anyone is interested in learning more about some of the reasons women
are underrepresented in CS, or don't stick with the discipline, I'd suggest
Unlocking the Clubhouse (http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/47054696).  I found
it to be pretty resonant regarding myself and my undergrad CS experience
(although I luckily had a good enough one that I graduated, went into
software development, and actually stayed in the field for 5 years before
leaving to get my MLIS).

~Arianna (a lurker up until now, I do believe)



On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Erik Hetzner  wrote:

> At Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:35:54 -0500,
> Laura B. Palumbo wrote:
> >
> > As a soon to be librarian and a female engineer, I can tell you that your
> > numbers generally reflect the status of women in the STEM areas as a
> > whole. According to the Economics and Statistics Administration, women
> > hold less than 25% of tech jobs (2009). I think that you are right on
> > target in wondering how to attract more women into the techy end of
> > libraries; in addition to promoting STEM areas to young women, I feel
> that
> > a good place to start is to advocate for more integration of coding
> > (beyond basic web design) into required library courses.
>
> Hi all,
>
> CS (computing, programming, library tech, etc.) is especially
> distressing because women are a) underrepresented when compared to
> most other STEM fields (save perhaps engineering or physics), and b)
> the underrepresentation of women has been getting *worse* in CS over
> the past 20 years.
>
> See, e.g., [1] and [2]
>
> best, Erik
>
> 1. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/business/16digi.html
> 2.
> http://crookedtimber.org/2011/02/04/gender-divides-in-philosophy-and-other-disciplines/
>
> Sent from my free software system .
>
>

[CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

[Salazar, Christina]

And/or Code4Lib4[I hate that word minority, but cannot think of another for 
here, but maybe you get what I mean]

Not trying to splinter, but that might be one way to encourage diversity but 
again, without implication that ANYONE would be excluded.

(Inspired by http://www.meetup.com/Los-Angeles-Womens-Ruby-on-Rails-Group/ )

Christina Salazar
Systems Librarian
John Spoor Broome Library
California State University, Channel Islands
805/437-3198
[Description: Description: CI Formal Logo_1B grad_em signature]

<>

Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

[Bohyun Kim]

++1

~Bohyun

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Salazar, Christina
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:35 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

And/or Code4Lib4[I hate that word minority, but cannot think of another for 
here, but maybe you get what I mean]

Not trying to splinter, but that might be one way to encourage diversity but 
again, without implication that ANYONE would be excluded.

(Inspired by http://www.meetup.com/Los-Angeles-Womens-Ruby-on-Rails-Group/ )

Christina Salazar
Systems Librarian
John Spoor Broome Library
California State University, Channel Islands
805/437-3198
[Description: Description: CI Formal Logo_1B grad_em signature]

[CODE4LIB]

[Wilhelmina Randtke]

Even if women are 25% of STEM, women are way more in libraries.  At the
NASIG meeting this summer, they had the sheriff come in, check that the
hotel men's restroom was clear, and then temporarily convert it to a
women's room for the conference.  Men at the library conference, had to go
to the hotel lobby, not the conference part of the hotel.

So, if a library oriented and coding oriented group has the same percentage
of female participation as the STEM fields generally, then that's worse.
The fields generally are pulling from the population generally, so from a
50/50 male female population.  A coding group centered on libraries is
pulling from a female-slanted population.

Although... here I am throwing that out, without checking the male female
ratio in libraries generally.

-Wilhelmina Randtke


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Laura B. Palumbo wrote:

> As a soon to be librarian and a female engineer, I can tell you that your
> numbers generally reflect the status of women in the STEM areas as a
> whole. According to the Economics and Statistics Administration, women
> hold less than 25% of tech jobs (2009). I think that you are right on
> target in wondering how to attract more women into the techy end of
> libraries; in addition to promoting STEM areas to young women, I feel that
> a good place to start is to advocate for more integration of coding
> (beyond basic web design) into required library courses.
>
> Laura
>
> > Rosalyn,
> >
> > If we are only 17% women, when we are subset of the broader Library
> community, which is majority women, then we are doing something wrong.
> And
> > that deeper question, what do we need to do to encourage more women to
> participate in the community, to make the community as a whole appealing
> and safe, is the question I am really asking.
> >
> > Chad
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the
> community.  if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then
> we're on target.  who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're
> way
> >> above target.  in which case the real question might be "how do we get
> more
> >> women in tech."
> >> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson 
> wrote:
> >> > Ooops. Hit the wrong key.
> >> >
> >> > So, about our presenters...
> >> >
> >> > Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that
> >> only
> >> 16
> >> > of 95 proposers were women?
> >> >
> >> > Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women
> >> to
> >> > feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions?
> >> >
> >
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

[James Stuart]

+1

At least in the speculative fiction community (and I see it elsewhere), PoC
(person of color) is the most in-use term for replacing the traditional use
of minority.

--James


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Bohyun Kim  wrote:

> ++1
>
> ~Bohyun
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Salazar, Christina
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:35 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?
>
> And/or Code4Lib4[I hate that word minority, but cannot think of another
> for here, but maybe you get what I mean]
>
> Not trying to splinter, but that might be one way to encourage diversity
> but again, without implication that ANYONE would be excluded.
>
> (Inspired by http://www.meetup.com/Los-Angeles-Womens-Ruby-on-Rails-Group/)
>
> Christina Salazar
> Systems Librarian
> John Spoor Broome Library
> California State University, Channel Islands
> 805/437-3198
> [Description: Description: CI Formal Logo_1B grad_em signature]
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

[Jonathan Rochkind]

Sounds possibly interesting. Other than a word, what would that be 
exactly, and what would be the goals of it?  Do you mean a different 
conference, or listserv, or what?


On 11/28/2012 3:34 PM, Salazar, Christina wrote:

And/or Code4Lib4[I hate that word minority, but cannot think of another for 
here, but maybe you get what I mean]

Not trying to splinter, but that might be one way to encourage diversity but 
again, without implication that ANYONE would be excluded.

(Inspired by http://www.meetup.com/Los-Angeles-Womens-Ruby-on-Rails-Group/ )

Christina Salazar
Systems Librarian
John Spoor Broome Library
California State University, Channel Islands
805/437-3198
[Description: Description: CI Formal Logo_1B grad_em signature]

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Abigail Goben]

On 11/28/2012 1:16 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:

Well, this is the fundamental problem, innit?

I have little doubt that a fully curated program would be more
interesting to more attendees than the current system. It would also,
presumably, be more diverse. The problems are:

a) The program committee would need to fairly vet all the proposals,
and recruit presenters to offer subjects that are desired, but aren't
proposed. This would be a non-trivial bit of work.

b) Program committee members would need a good supply of sling and
arrow repellant and an exceedingly thick skin.

Thanks,

Cary

+1 to the challenges Cary presents.  Having faced both of these as LITA 
Program Planning Chair, it's definitely non-trivial. That being said, 
the work is certainly worth the effort.



--
Abigail Goben
Assistant Information Services Librarian and Assistant Professor
University of Illinois at Chicago
Library of the Health Sciences - Chicago (M/C 763)
1750 W. Polk Street
Chicago, Illinois 60612
312.996.8292

Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

[Becky Yoose]

If this (as in a group for women in library technology) is going to become
reality, I want to see this take one step broader, and incorporate ALL
women in library tech, and not just designating it to one subset of the
library community (code4lib). code4lib can be a collaborator with another
organization (LITA?) to reach more people. This is a broader issue than
code4lib, and needs to be treated as such.

Assumptions: not all library tech folks are code4libbers, not all library
tech folks are not LITA members, some are both, some are neither, all have
to work in the same environment.

Thanks,
Becky

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jonathan Rochkind  wrote:

> Sounds possibly interesting. Other than a word, what would that be
> exactly, and what would be the goals of it?  Do you mean a different
> conference, or listserv, or what?
>
>
> On 11/28/2012 3:34 PM, Salazar, Christina wrote:
>
>> And/or Code4Lib4[I hate that word minority, but cannot think of another
>> for here, but maybe you get what I mean]
>>
>> Not trying to splinter, but that might be one way to encourage diversity
>> but again, without implication that ANYONE would be excluded.
>>
>> (Inspired by http://www.meetup.com/Los-**Angeles-Womens-Ruby-on-Rails-**
>> Group/  )
>>
>> Christina Salazar
>> Systems Librarian
>> John Spoor Broome Library
>> California State University, Channel Islands
>> 805/437-3198
>> [Description: Description: CI Formal Logo_1B grad_em signature]
>>
>>
>>

Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

[Salazar, Christina]

Well, I guess any "non-majority" person, but I was thinking specifically of 
women ONLY because I'm a woman and I'd be willing to do something as far as 
coordinating. And possibly two or more non-location based chapters (i.e., one 
for gender, one for PoC).

And I wasn't really thinking of a separate conference (though that would be 
cool, but no one can afford more than one conference these days, can they?) but 
an additional meeting at the main con AND a separate e-mail list.

But I'm just throwing that out as venues that would be attractive/encouraging 
to me and things I know that I could do right now.

Christina
(Wow, I thought people would hate this concept, but me, I like it...)

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Rochkind
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:48 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

Sounds possibly interesting. Other than a word, what would that be exactly, and 
what would be the goals of it?  Do you mean a different conference, or 
listserv, or what?

On 11/28/2012 3:34 PM, Salazar, Christina wrote:
> And/or Code4Lib4[I hate that word minority, but cannot think of 
> another for here, but maybe you get what I mean]
>
> Not trying to splinter, but that might be one way to encourage diversity but 
> again, without implication that ANYONE would be excluded.
>
> (Inspired by 
> http://www.meetup.com/Los-Angeles-Womens-Ruby-on-Rails-Group/ )
>
> Christina Salazar
> Systems Librarian
> John Spoor Broome Library
> California State University, Channel Islands
> 805/437-3198
> [Description: Description: CI Formal Logo_1B grad_em signature]
>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Cynthia Ng]

I agree that a full-curated program would have its issues, and
honestly, I'd be hesitant to move make such a big leap. It seems
everyone agrees at least on the 15% (3-4 sessions) and made of note of
it in the documentation, but I'd still like to hear if people either
support more (or less). I've also made a note that the goal of these
sessions set aside for the program committee should be "diversity".

If you'd like to take a look, it's on the wiki:
http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/How_To_Plan_A_Code4LibCon#Program_Committtee

As to whether people know who's a regular or not, reading through last
year's discussion, we might consider the idea of people
self-identifying as female, minority, first-timers, etc. as part of
their proposals. Thoughts?

[CODE4LIB]

[Shaun Ellis]

There are a number of *solutions* being bounced around here, but the 
problem we are actually able to solve for our own community is a little 
bit fuzzy to me.  I'd like to try to summarize along with the 
suggestions on measurable goals that may address it (none mutually 
exclusive).  Please correct me if I'm mistaken.


Our Problem:
There is a perception of exclusivity in the Code4Lib community, which 
discourages participation by those who are not white, male, and 
experienced hackers.


Actionable and measurable goals to make it more inclusive:
#1: Increase Diversity in Presenters
#2: Find mentors for those who want to learn how to hack or improve 
their chops to help build confidence and participation


The problem with Code4Lib4Women...
Diversity allows us to see the world from multiple perspectives, adding 
greater value to our work.  It also makes people of all backgrounds feel 
welcome and included.  By segregating the community in such a way, 
Code4Lib does not benefit from diversification.  Inclusion should be our 
goal, not segregation.


On mentorship...

I really like the mentorship suggestion as I would not know how to hack 
if I didn't have a mentor to show me the ropes, and Laura is dead on: 
you don't get this stuff in library school (yet?).  I don't think it's 
as simple as the wiki list to see who knows what and who wants to learn 
what -- that's not mentorship.


In my opinion, a potential hacker needs to SEE how experienced hackers 
work and solve specific problems.  Then the noob needs to try hacking in 
the wild and have a welcoming individual (not an intimidating 
listserv/chatroom) to answer questions.


In that respect, I would suggest the preconference hackfests/workshops 
that involve some kind of pair programming with 
experienced/inexperienced hackers, which could follow up into a mentor 
relationship outside of the conference.  I do like the idea of 
mentor/mentee speed-dating to align interests, but in this sense, the 
workshop/hackfest you sign up for kind of does that for you (assuming 
all the preconference proposals[1] are actually going to happen).


[1] http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2013_preconference_proposals

-Shaun

On 11/28/12 2:56 PM, Erik Hetzner wrote:

At Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:35:54 -0500,
Laura B. Palumbo wrote:


As a soon to be librarian and a female engineer, I can tell you that your
numbers generally reflect the status of women in the STEM areas as a
whole. According to the Economics and Statistics Administration, women
hold less than 25% of tech jobs (2009). I think that you are right on
target in wondering how to attract more women into the techy end of
libraries; in addition to promoting STEM areas to young women, I feel that
a good place to start is to advocate for more integration of coding
(beyond basic web design) into required library courses.


Hi all,

CS (computing, programming, library tech, etc.) is especially
distressing because women are a) underrepresented when compared to
most other STEM fields (save perhaps engineering or physics), and b)
the underrepresentation of women has been getting *worse* in CS over
the past 20 years.

See, e.g., [1] and [2]

best, Erik

1. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/business/16digi.html
2. 
http://crookedtimber.org/2011/02/04/gender-divides-in-philosophy-and-other-disciplines/



Sent from my free software system .



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Digital Library Interface Developer
Firestone Library, Princeton University
voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

[Michael J. Giarlo]

Sounds like it's worth a breakout session or two at #c4l13, if folks are
interested in mashing ideas together in real-time.

-Mike



On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Salazar, Christina <
christina.sala...@csuci.edu> wrote:

> Well, I guess any "non-majority" person, but I was thinking specifically
> of women ONLY because I'm a woman and I'd be willing to do something as far
> as coordinating. And possibly two or more non-location based chapters
> (i.e., one for gender, one for PoC).
>
> And I wasn't really thinking of a separate conference (though that would
> be cool, but no one can afford more than one conference these days, can
> they?) but an additional meeting at the main con AND a separate e-mail list.
>
> But I'm just throwing that out as venues that would be
> attractive/encouraging to me and things I know that I could do right now.
>
> Christina
> (Wow, I thought people would hate this concept, but me, I like it...)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Jonathan Rochkind
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:48 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?
>
> Sounds possibly interesting. Other than a word, what would that be
> exactly, and what would be the goals of it?  Do you mean a different
> conference, or listserv, or what?
>
> On 11/28/2012 3:34 PM, Salazar, Christina wrote:
> > And/or Code4Lib4[I hate that word minority, but cannot think of
> > another for here, but maybe you get what I mean]
> >
> > Not trying to splinter, but that might be one way to encourage diversity
> but again, without implication that ANYONE would be excluded.
> >
> > (Inspired by
> > http://www.meetup.com/Los-Angeles-Womens-Ruby-on-Rails-Group/ )
> >
> > Christina Salazar
> > Systems Librarian
> > John Spoor Broome Library
> > California State University, Channel Islands
> > 805/437-3198
> > [Description: Description: CI Formal Logo_1B grad_em signature]
> >
> >
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey

[Rosalyn Metz]

David,

Thank you for providing your opinion.  Perhaps one day you and I will meet
in person and I will be given the opportunity to prove it wrong.

As Karen stated and as I stated in my email to Gabriel: I don't want the first
half of the answers to be useless/inconsistent/different.  If you want to
run a second draft of the survey, then please do.  I'm sure the community
would welcome it.  I'll even lend you my SurveyMonkey account if you don't
have one -- I paid for the month of December to run this survey so we might
as well get use out of it.

If you do choose to run your own survey, please let me know how I can help,
Rosalyn





On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:58 PM, David Fiander  wrote:

> This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant
> members of the community.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz 
> wrote:
>
> > I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first
> draft.
> > As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have
> > contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make
> > the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the
> rest.
> >
> > Next time around we can add in an other option. Sound good?
> > On Nov 27, 2012 4:22 PM, "Gabriel Farrell"  wrote:
> >
> > > Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the
> > > community that may not be covered by the gender binary?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've
> > never
> > > > thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the
> community'
> > > > means.
> > > >
> > > > I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything.
> > > >
> > > > -Ross.
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Um, no.  Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the
> incoming
> > > link
> > > > > from somewhere.  This listserv is the most likely source.  So, by
> > your
> > > > > definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community
> > > > > member.
> > > > >
> > > > > Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see
> their
> > > > role.
> > > > > Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and
> > ask
> > > if
> > > > > the person did them.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Wilhelmina Randtke
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer <
> rossfsin...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the
> > > > >> community' and you can answer yes to any of the following
> questions,
> > > you
> > > > >> absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list
> > > > >> You have attended a Code4Lib conference
> > > > >> You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference
> > > > >> You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in
> > time
> > > > >> You have a registered account on code4lib.org
> > > > >> You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org
> > > > >> You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal
> > > > >> You follow planet.code4lib.org
> > > > >> You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of
> forms,
> > > > don't
> > > > >> feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -Ross.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> To our dear dear lurking friends,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> We would also like you to take the survey.  I put the "Do you
> > > consider
> > > > >>> yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the
> survey
> > > > >> because
> > > > >>> I  wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib
> were
> > > > >>> separated from the random people that might take the survey --
> like
> > > oh
> > > > >> say
> > > > >>> my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw
> it).
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the
> > > > >> community.
> > > > >>> I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a
> > blog.
> > > >  And
> > > > >>> then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk.  And
> now
> > > > >> Michael
> > > > >>> Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC
> chat
> > > > room.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who
> > think
> > > > they
> > > > >>> are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the
> > first
> > > > >>> question.  Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of
> those
> > > nos
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>> yeses.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> :)
> > > > >>> A former lurker
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz <
> > r

[CODE4LIB]

[Bess Sadler]

On Nov 28, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Shaun Ellis  wrote:

> In that respect, I would suggest the preconference hackfests/workshops that 
> involve some kind of pair programming with experienced/inexperienced hackers, 
> which could follow up into a mentor relationship outside of the conference.  
> I do like the idea of mentor/mentee speed-dating to align interests, but in 
> this sense, the workshop/hackfest you sign up for kind of does that for you 
> (assuming all the preconference proposals[1] are actually going to happen).
> 
> [1] http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2013_preconference_proposals
> 
> -Shaun

My understanding is that all of the pre-conference proposals are going to 
happen (note to self: ask Erik Hatcher whether the evening solr session could 
happen at a bar somewhere). The RailsBridge workshop in particular is aimed at 
folks who are new to Rails and perhaps new to programming in general, and 
RailsBridge as a thing was started as a way to bring more women into tech. If 
anyone is interested in helping out at the RailsBridge session, or at the 
Blacklight-tailored-for-RailsBridge session in the afternoon, please join us! 
Workshops like this can never have too many people walking the room to help 
out, and if we had enough experienced folks, this would be a great opportunity 
for pair programming and meeting potential mentors. 

Bess

[CODE4LIB]

[Erik Hatcher]

We can have the Solr session when and wherever! :)   Organizers - feel free to 
move it however it fits best.

Related: With all of those pre-conferences, it looks like there'll need to be 6 
rooms but the page says 4 (admittedly 4+ it says)

Erik

On Nov 28, 2012, at 16:23 , Bess Sadler wrote:

> On Nov 28, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Shaun Ellis  wrote:
> 
>> In that respect, I would suggest the preconference hackfests/workshops that 
>> involve some kind of pair programming with experienced/inexperienced 
>> hackers, which could follow up into a mentor relationship outside of the 
>> conference.  I do like the idea of mentor/mentee speed-dating to align 
>> interests, but in this sense, the workshop/hackfest you sign up for kind of 
>> does that for you (assuming all the preconference proposals[1] are actually 
>> going to happen).
>> 
>> [1] http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2013_preconference_proposals
>> 
>> -Shaun
> 
> My understanding is that all of the pre-conference proposals are going to 
> happen (note to self: ask Erik Hatcher whether the evening solr session could 
> happen at a bar somewhere). The RailsBridge workshop in particular is aimed 
> at folks who are new to Rails and perhaps new to programming in general, and 
> RailsBridge as a thing was started as a way to bring more women into tech. If 
> anyone is interested in helping out at the RailsBridge session, or at the 
> Blacklight-tailored-for-RailsBridge session in the afternoon, please join us! 
> Workshops like this can never have too many people walking the room to help 
> out, and if we had enough experienced folks, this would be a great 
> opportunity for pair programming and meeting potential mentors. 
> 
> Bess

Re: [CODE4LIB] Subject added to adhere to RFC 1855

[Francis Kayiwa]

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 04:35:59PM -0500, Erik Hatcher wrote:
> We can have the Solr session when and wherever! :)   Organizers - feel free 
> to move it however it fits best.
> 
> Related: With all of those pre-conferences, it looks like there'll need to be 
> 6 rooms but the page says 4 (admittedly 4+ it says)

Finding rooms is _NOT_ going to be a problem at all. We will lock them
down once we have a better sense of level of interest. All this will
happen very rapidly next month I wager.

./fxk


> 
>   Erik
> 
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 16:23 , Bess Sadler wrote:
> 
> > On Nov 28, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Shaun Ellis  wrote:
> > 
> >> In that respect, I would suggest the preconference hackfests/workshops 
> >> that involve some kind of pair programming with experienced/inexperienced 
> >> hackers, which could follow up into a mentor relationship outside of the 
> >> conference.  I do like the idea of mentor/mentee speed-dating to align 
> >> interests, but in this sense, the workshop/hackfest you sign up for kind 
> >> of does that for you (assuming all the preconference proposals[1] are 
> >> actually going to happen).
> >> 
> >> [1] http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2013_preconference_proposals
> >> 
> >> -Shaun
> > 
> > My understanding is that all of the pre-conference proposals are going to 
> > happen (note to self: ask Erik Hatcher whether the evening solr session 
> > could happen at a bar somewhere). The RailsBridge workshop in particular is 
> > aimed at folks who are new to Rails and perhaps new to programming in 
> > general, and RailsBridge as a thing was started as a way to bring more 
> > women into tech. If anyone is interested in helping out at the RailsBridge 
> > session, or at the Blacklight-tailored-for-RailsBridge session in the 
> > afternoon, please join us! Workshops like this can never have too many 
> > people walking the room to help out, and if we had enough experienced 
> > folks, this would be a great opportunity for pair programming and meeting 
> > potential mentors. 
> > 
> > Bess
> 

-- 
Blore's Razor:
Given a choice between two theories, take the one which is
funnier.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Robin Dean]

Cynthia wrote:

As to whether people know who's a regular or not, reading through last year's 
discussion, we might consider the idea of people self-identifying as female, 
minority, first-timers, etc. as part of their proposals. Thoughts?
---

I would like to see the proposal requirements expanded to ask presenters to 
submit a short bio beyond name, institution, email. This will give potential 
presenters an opportunity to share what is useful/new/geeky/unique/awesome 
about their individual perspectives and backgrounds. 

This would open up the field for bios that could say things like "I am a woman 
who learned to program after I had kids" as well as "I have presented at every 
code4lib conference and I have never once shown screenshots of XML."

Woman with a gender-ambiguous first name to throw off your statistics,
Robin

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey

[Carol Bean]

Sigh.  When the facetious comments are taken seriously, it's time to take a 
break, folks.

Just sayin'

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 28, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:

> David,
> 
> Thank you for providing your opinion.  Perhaps one day you and I will meet
> in person and I will be given the opportunity to prove it wrong.
> 
> As Karen stated and as I stated in my email to Gabriel: I don't want the first
> half of the answers to be useless/inconsistent/different.  If you want to
> run a second draft of the survey, then please do.  I'm sure the community
> would welcome it.  I'll even lend you my SurveyMonkey account if you don't
> have one -- I paid for the month of December to run this survey so we might
> as well get use out of it.
> 
> If you do choose to run your own survey, please let me know how I can help,
> Rosalyn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:58 PM, David Fiander  wrote:
> 
>> This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant
>> members of the community.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first
>> draft.
>>> As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have
>>> contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make
>>> the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the
>> rest.
>>> 
>>> Next time around we can add in an other option. Sound good?
>>> On Nov 27, 2012 4:22 PM, "Gabriel Farrell"  wrote:
>>> 
 Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the
 community that may not be covered by the gender binary?
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer 
 wrote:
 
> I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've
>>> never
> thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the
>> community'
> means.
> 
> I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything.
> 
> -Ross.
> 
> On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke 
 wrote:
> 
>> Um, no.  Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the
>> incoming
 link
>> from somewhere.  This listserv is the most likely source.  So, by
>>> your
>> definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community
>> member.
>> 
>> Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see
>> their
> role.
>> Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and
>>> ask
 if
>> the person did them.
>> 
>> -Wilhelmina Randtke
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer <
>> rossfsin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>>> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the
>>> community' and you can answer yes to any of the following
>> questions,
 you
>>> absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey:
>>> 
>>> You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list
>>> You have attended a Code4Lib conference
>>> You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference
>>> You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in
>>> time
>>> You have a registered account on code4lib.org
>>> You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org
>>> You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal
>>> You follow planet.code4lib.org
>>> You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel
>>> 
>>> What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of
>> forms,
> don't
>>> feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something.
>>> 
>>> -Ross.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz 
> wrote:
>>> 
 To our dear dear lurking friends,
 
 We would also like you to take the survey.  I put the "Do you
 consider
 yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the
>> survey
>>> because
 I  wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib
>> were
 separated from the random people that might take the survey --
>> like
 oh
>>> say
 my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw
>> it).
 
 But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the
>>> community.
 I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a
>>> blog.
> And
 then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk.  And
>> now
>>> Michael
 Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC
>> chat
> room.
 
 So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who
>>> think
> they
 are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the
>>> first
 question.  Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of
>> those
 nos
>>> to
 yeses.
 
 :)
 A former lurker
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 27, 2012

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[CODE4LIB] Beyond mentoring

[Karen Coyle]

c4l'rs

Obviously mentoring is a great idea, but it implies a pairing of 
skilled/less-skilled folks and therefore makes me a bit uneasy in our 
current context (although no one has said this) because it seems to 
imply that if we bring up the skills of women they will be treated 
equally. In fact, we have ample proof that this is not the case. 
Therefore, I want to promote a concept beyond mentoring: promoting. Also 
known as: giving credit where credit is due. Make sure that we equally 
acknowledge and celebrate the technical achievements of women. We 
already have women doing great geeky stuff, but it's kind of like Mitt 
Romney's "binder full of women" -- they aren't visible.


Sounds easy, right? I think we'll all find that it's harder than it 
sounds, but we should be making a conscious effort.


Let me give a personal anecdote. I was doing some consulting for a large 
organization, and we got to the point that we needed an XML schema for 
our metadata. The organization had an uber-geek, and so the task was 
given to him. After a considerable while (about 2 months) we started 
pushing for this schema, and finally met with uber-geek who said some 
strange things about some theory of XML, and essentially we intuited 
that he didn't know XML schema, was taking a strange path in terms of 
learning it, and it was clear we wouldn't be getting our schema from 
him. I went home and wrote the schema (thank you O'Reilly!). Now, you 
might think that I would have earned geek points for that. But I didn't. 
In fact, no mention was ever made of the fact that I, rather than 
uber-geek, wrote the schema. I suspect this would have been an 
embarrassment to all who looked up to uber-geek, being "bested" by a 
girl. I don't know how this would have gone were I carrying a Y 
chromosome, but my guess is that the outcome would have been different, 
that a sub-uber guy would have been given some credit (while still 
saving face for uber-geek). This type of scenario plays out many, many 
times a day. I'm sure it doesn't only happen to women, but it happens to 
women regularly enough (think about the pay differential that we still 
live with) that it's quite discouraging.


So I see it as my duty, and hope some will join me, to make sure that 
women's efforts are recognized, publicized, and, if necessary, made 
"in-your-face" until women in tech achieve the visibility they deserve.


kc

--
Karen Coyle
kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
ph: 1-510-540-7596
m: 1-510-435-8234
skype: kcoylenet

Re: [CODE4LIB] How to configure subdomain hosting without domain hosting?

[Wilhelmina Randtke]

All the responses here were helpful!

Based on responses, and doing this with a domain name I have registered
with GoDaddy, I believe that the way to point a subdomain (and only a
subdomain) at a cheapie hosted account is to make an NS record for each of
the host's name servers to point the subdomain at the nameservers.  (If you
notice I'm wrong, then please correct me.)

In case anyone else wants to file it for later use, I included step-by-step
instructions for doing this when the URL is registered with and DNS is
hosted on GoDaddy.  If the DNS is done a different way, then you would look
up how to make an NS record for that DNS.

-Wilhelmina Randtke


Step-by-step directions on setting a subdomain in GoDaddy to point to a
cheapie hosting company.  You will change the parts that are underlined to
your own information.

Log into GoDaddy
To Access the Zone File Editor
Click "My Account" in the top left corner.
Next to Domain, click the green Launch button.
From the Tools menu along the top of the screen, select DNS Manager
Click Edit Zone for the domain name
Scroll down to NS (nameserver)
Click "Quick Add"
For host, type the (*subdomain - not the full url, just the part
before the first period; ie. lib*)
For points to, type (*URL of first name server for cheapie hosting
company*)
Click "Quick Add"
For host, type the (*subdomain - not the full url, just the part
before the first period; ie. lib*)
For points to, type (*URL of second name server for cheapie hosting
company*)
Click "Quick Add"
For host, type the (*subdomain - not the full url, just the part
before the first period; ie. lib*)
For points to, type (*URL of third name server for cheapie hosting
company*)



On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote:

> I'm trying to get a subdomain of my university's domain pointed at content
> on a cheapie hosting account.  To do this, I can get main campus to put in
> a CNAME record with the IP address matching where the DNS for my cheapie
> hosting account is currently located in the cheapie hosting company's
> system.  The problem is, this IP will periodically change, meaning main
> campus IT will have to be involved periodically down the line in order to
> cut and paste the new IP into their system, and meaning that the hosted
> services could go unavailable for a few days when this happens.
>
> The main campus uses GoDaddy's DNS which is set in stone, and the cheapie
> hosting in question is Dreamhost but any other cheapie service would do.
>
> Am I doing this the hard way?  *How would you go about getting a
> subdomain of your university's URL to point at your cheapie webhosting
> account?  *
>
>  Subdomain forwarding with masking then storing content at a random URL
> but having it appear to be on the university's subdomain does not work,
> because this causes problems responding to XML queries.
> I am able to run a server in my office or the building with a static IP,
> but I don't want content to live on an in-house server.  Could I use this
> to catch things coming to the IP, then redirect to the cheapie hosting
> account?
>  Is there a way to go from GoDaddy's DNS management system to point at
> the nameservers for the cheapie hosting company, the same way you would do
> to host a domain?
>
> -Wilhelmina Randtke
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Diversity of presenters (was bibliotechy's fat fingers)

[Wilhelmina Randtke]

"Forum 12 [. . .] library type (76% academic? oh my)."

Library type "academic" is probably going to dominate, because that's who
gets travel funding.  The most probable alternative might be "vendor",
because they will get funding too.

-Wilhelmina Randtke


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Andromeda Yelton <
andromeda.yel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Ross Singer 
> wrote:
>
> > I would be interested to see the gender breakdown in the CfP for
> > comparable conferences (LITA National, Access) and if Code4lib's numbers
> > are noticeably lower, meeting with those groups to determine why.
> >
>
> I would be happy to run the Forum 13 numbers after our CFP window closes in
> the spring and engage in that sort of conversation.  (I don't speak for the
> committee as a whole, of course.)
>
> FYI, for Forum 12, the (non-keynote, non-poster-session) speakers were 41%
> male, 56% female (small% I-couldn't-tell-from-names-or-find-photos).  I
> don't know about the ratio of proposers as I wasn't on that committee.  I
> don't know whether I feel good or bad about the 41/56 ratio -- I mean, it's
> kinda even (yay!) but dramatically unrepresentative of librarianship as a
> whole (boo!)
>
> I feel much twitchier when I break down the list by race (71% white, though
> that's actually less than librarianship as a whole, yikes) or library type
> (76% academic? oh my).  I am *extremely confident* that library technology
> use cases are not limited to white people in academic libraries. But if the
> conversation is limited to those use cases, the technology actually
> produced is likely to be as well.
>
> Andromeda
>

[CODE4LIB] Job: Digital Initiatives Librarian at California State University, Fresno

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Beyond mentoring

[Bess Sadler]

kcoyle++

Well said. 

Bess

On Nov 28, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Karen Coyle  wrote:

> So I see it as my duty, and hope some will join me, to make sure that women's 
> efforts are recognized, publicized, and, if necessary, made "in-your-face" 
> until women in tech achieve the visibility they deserve.

Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

[Lisa Rabey]

Hello,

Super short term lurker (since today!). It was suggested by various people on 
Twitter (hello people of Twitter) that I join code4lib because of this exchange 
and it greatly touches on one of my passions (see: 
http://exitpursuedbyabear.net/2012/11/why-white-men-should-not-mostly-write-about-gender-disparity-in-technology/).
  What I was able to see via the archives on the website and here has been 
awesome!

Which brings me to Becky's point below: As someone who is not a coder, has no 
plans on being a coder, and would rather shove things in her eyeballs then 
learn programming, Becky has a valid point about broadening the reach of women 
in tech.  I've noticed a trend that in the library world (articles and such), 
when one talks about being a "geek," it seems to be synonymous with "coder." 
And those of us who are not coding, who are say network geeks or hardware geeks 
or somewhere else, are kind of left out in the cold. In a way, we're excluded 
from the culture as well.  (I'm a network geek. I used to configure and manage 
tier 1 (backbone) routers back in the late '90s/ early '00s). BGP 4 LYFE.

In the library world there is a huge dichotomy in the geekdom as this is mainly 
female orientated profession but the technical side is mainly male dominated. 
There needs to be a balance struck and that is going to be hard.  But I think 
making an initiative like this (creating a Code4LibWomen) is a good idea, but 
by being far too inclusive (only available to those who are in the community of 
Code4Lib) is restrictive. I think it would be better served if it was pushed to 
a wider audience to make women in tech, who may not be on Code4Lib, find a 
community of like minded individuals.   A suggestion I had made on my blog was 
that a SIG becreated at ALA or LITA or some other more broad reaching group. 
Another was working with the Ada Initiative as well.  I think there is a lot 
that can be done, but it should be addressed on a much broader scale.

The problem with sexism in the geek world is not new, by any stretch of the 
imagination, but what IS new is that more women are talking openly about it, 
everywhere. This is exciting. And promising.  It's like 1920 all over again! 

_lisa/@pnkrcklibrarian


-- 
Lisa M. Rabey, MA, MLIS

Systems & Web Librarian
Grand Rapids Community College
p: 616.234.3786 | e: lra...@grcc.edu 
http://grcc.edu/library | http://grcc.edu/library/socialmedia 

>>> On 28/11/2012 at 16:00, Becky Yoose  wrote:
> If this (as in a group for women in library technology) is going to become
> reality, I want to see this take one step broader, and incorporate ALL
> women in library tech, and not just designating it to one subset of the
> library community (code4lib). code4lib can be a collaborator with another
> organization (LITA?) to reach more people. This is a broader issue than
> code4lib, and needs to be treated as such.

[CODE4LIB]

[Cynthia Ng]

Just to note, they are all happening. Moving Erik's Solr session will
be part of the next program committee's meeting and will probably be
moved.

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Erik Hatcher  wrote:
> We can have the Solr session when and wherever! :)   Organizers - feel free 
> to move it however it fits best.
>
> Related: With all of those pre-conferences, it looks like there'll need to be 
> 6 rooms but the page says 4 (admittedly 4+ it says)
>
> Erik
>
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 16:23 , Bess Sadler wrote:
>
>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Shaun Ellis  wrote:
>>
>>> In that respect, I would suggest the preconference hackfests/workshops that 
>>> involve some kind of pair programming with experienced/inexperienced 
>>> hackers, which could follow up into a mentor relationship outside of the 
>>> conference.  I do like the idea of mentor/mentee speed-dating to align 
>>> interests, but in this sense, the workshop/hackfest you sign up for kind of 
>>> does that for you (assuming all the preconference proposals[1] are actually 
>>> going to happen).
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2013_preconference_proposals
>>>
>>> -Shaun
>>
>> My understanding is that all of the pre-conference proposals are going to 
>> happen (note to self: ask Erik Hatcher whether the evening solr session 
>> could happen at a bar somewhere). The RailsBridge workshop in particular is 
>> aimed at folks who are new to Rails and perhaps new to programming in 
>> general, and RailsBridge as a thing was started as a way to bring more women 
>> into tech. If anyone is interested in helping out at the RailsBridge 
>> session, or at the Blacklight-tailored-for-RailsBridge session in the 
>> afternoon, please join us! Workshops like this can never have too many 
>> people walking the room to help out, and if we had enough experienced folks, 
>> this would be a great opportunity for pair programming and meeting potential 
>> mentors.
>>
>> Bess

Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

[Ross Singer]

I would disagree that sysadmin/network admin  types are considered less geeky, 
it's just that coders and sysadmins speak completely different languages, tend 
not to trust each other, and are generally working against one another (since 
they have different goals). Bess's "Werewolves vs. Vampires" presentation a 
couple years ago explained this well. 

But that doesn't mean that A) we don't have a lot to learn from each other B) 
one group gets to claim the title of "geek" over the other C) shouldn't all 
congregate under the same tent (whether that be Code4Lib or wherever). 

-Ross. 
On Nov 28, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Lisa Rabey  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Super short term lurker (since today!). It was suggested by various people on 
> Twitter (hello people of Twitter) that I join code4lib because of this 
> exchange and it greatly touches on one of my passions (see: 
> http://exitpursuedbyabear.net/2012/11/why-white-men-should-not-mostly-write-about-gender-disparity-in-technology/).
>   What I was able to see via the archives on the website and here has been 
> awesome!
> 
> Which brings me to Becky's point below: As someone who is not a coder, has no 
> plans on being a coder, and would rather shove things in her eyeballs then 
> learn programming, Becky has a valid point about broadening the reach of 
> women in tech.  I've noticed a trend that in the library world (articles and 
> such), when one talks about being a "geek," it seems to be synonymous with 
> "coder." And those of us who are not coding, who are say network geeks or 
> hardware geeks or somewhere else, are kind of left out in the cold. In a way, 
> we're excluded from the culture as well.  (I'm a network geek. I used to 
> configure and manage tier 1 (backbone) routers back in the late '90s/ early 
> '00s). BGP 4 LYFE.
> 
> In the library world there is a huge dichotomy in the geekdom as this is 
> mainly female orientated profession but the technical side is mainly male 
> dominated. There needs to be a balance struck and that is going to be hard.  
> But I think making an initiative like this (creating a Code4LibWomen) is a 
> good idea, but by being far too inclusive (only available to those who are in 
> the community of Code4Lib) is restrictive. I think it would be better served 
> if it was pushed to a wider audience to make women in tech, who may not be on 
> Code4Lib, find a community of like minded individuals.   A suggestion I had 
> made on my blog was that a SIG becreated at ALA or LITA or some other more 
> broad reaching group. Another was working with the Ada Initiative as well.  I 
> think there is a lot that can be done, but it should be addressed on a much 
> broader scale.
> 
> The problem with sexism in the geek world is not new, by any stretch of the 
> imagination, but what IS new is that more women are talking openly about it, 
> everywhere. This is exciting. And promising.  It's like 1920 all over again! 
> 
> _lisa/@pnkrcklibrarian
> 
> 
> -- 
> Lisa M. Rabey, MA, MLIS
> 
> Systems & Web Librarian
> Grand Rapids Community College
> p: 616.234.3786 | e: lra...@grcc.edu 
> http://grcc.edu/library | http://grcc.edu/library/socialmedia 
> 
 On 28/11/2012 at 16:00, Becky Yoose  wrote:
>> If this (as in a group for women in library technology) is going to become
>> reality, I want to see this take one step broader, and incorporate ALL
>> women in library tech, and not just designating it to one subset of the
>> library community (code4lib). code4lib can be a collaborator with another
>> organization (LITA?) to reach more people. This is a broader issue than
>> code4lib, and needs to be treated as such.

Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

[Lisa Rabey]

I agree with you that coders/sys admins speak different language, but I think 
you'll find this is pretty common (at least in my experience) of any 
differences, even within the same groups. Database programmers say versus 
someone who does iphone applications.

I am not inferring  sys admins are less geeky over coders nor am I inferring 
anyone one group of geekery is better than the other, and I apoloigze if this 
is what came across. 

What I am stating in the larger library world, it seems that in the discussions 
of "geek" seems to be synonymous with "coder" in the realm of articles and 
such. This is not a separation of who is better or how is not, it is a 
separation of what is being discussed at the much larger level over what is 
not. I have seen a lot of pushing in jobs, articles, and what have you for 
someone who is skilled in programming for say a systems job or discussion, but 
no mention (or very little) is made of someone who has networking experience or 
in hardware. These other elements are just as crucial to the job, so, why are 
they often left out? Again, it's not a matter of who holds the title of "geek," 
(and it never was), but it is a matter of what is being asked for and 
discussed.  I do think that is a disservice.

_lisa


-- 
Lisa M. Rabey, MA, MLIS

Systems & Web Librarian
Grand Rapids Community College
p: 616.234.3786 | e: lra...@grcc.edu 
http://grcc.edu/library | http://grcc.edu/library/socialmedia 

>>> On 28/11/2012 at 19:40, Ross Singer  wrote:
> I would disagree that sysadmin/network admin  types are considered less 
> geeky, it's just that coders and sysadmins speak completely different 
> languages, tend not to trust each other, and are generally working against 
> one another (since they have different goals). Bess's "Werewolves vs. 
> Vampires" presentation a couple years ago explained this well. 
> 
> But that doesn't mean that A) we don't have a lot to learn from each other 
> B) one group gets to claim the title of "geek" over the other C) shouldn't 
> all congregate under the same tent (whether that be Code4Lib or wherever). 
> 
> -Ross. 
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Lisa Rabey  wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Super short term lurker (since today!). It was suggested by various people 
> on Twitter (hello people of Twitter) that I join code4lib because of this 
> exchange and it greatly touches on one of my passions (see: 
> http://exitpursuedbyabear.net/2012/11/why-white-men-should-not-mostly-write-about-gen
>  
> der-disparity-in-technology/).  What I was able to see via the archives on 
> the 
> website and here has been awesome!
> > 
> > Which brings me to Becky's point below: As someone who is not a coder, has 
> no plans on being a coder, and would rather shove things in her eyeballs then 
> learn programming, Becky has a valid point about broadening the reach of 
> women in tech.  I've noticed a trend that in the library world (articles and 
> such), when one talks about being a "geek," it seems to be synonymous with 
> "coder." And those of us who are not coding, who are say network geeks or 
> hardware geeks or somewhere else, are kind of left out in the cold. In a way, 
> we're excluded from the culture as well.  (I'm a network geek. I used to 
> configure and manage tier 1 (backbone) routers back in the late '90s/ early 
> '00s). BGP 4 LYFE.
> > 
> > In the library world there is a huge dichotomy in the geekdom as this is 
> mainly female orientated profession but the technical side is mainly male 
> dominated. There needs to be a balance struck and that is going to be hard.  
> But I think making an initiative like this (creating a Code4LibWomen) is a 
> good idea, but by being far too inclusive (only available to those who are in 
> the community of Code4Lib) is restrictive. I think it would be better served 
> if it was pushed to a wider audience to make women in tech, who may not be on 
> Code4Lib, find a community of like minded individuals.   A suggestion I had 
> made on my blog was that a SIG becreated at ALA or LITA or some other more 
> broad reaching group. Another was working with the Ada Initiative as well.  I 
> think there is a lot that can be done, but it should be addressed on a much 
> broader scale.
> > 
> > The problem with sexism in the geek world is not new, by any stretch of the 
> imagination, but what IS new is that more women are talking openly about it, 
> everywhere. This is exciting. And promising.  It's like 1920 all over again! 
> > 
> > _lisa/@pnkrcklibrarian
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Lisa M. Rabey, MA, MLIS
> > 
> > Systems & Web Librarian
> > Grand Rapids Community College
> > p: 616.234.3786 | e: lra...@grcc.edu 
> > http://grcc.edu/library | http://grcc.edu/library/socialmedia 
> > 
>  On 28/11/2012 at 16:00, Becky Yoose  wrote:
> >> If this (as in a group for women in library technology) is going to become
> >> reality, I want to see this take one step broader, and inc

Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

[Shaun Ellis]

I think we'd all agree, in the spirit of git :), that anyone is free and 
encouraged to "fork" the project if the current system is not serving 
their needs.  So, Christina, if you and others have the will and 
interest to start a Code4LibWomen group/list, I say go for it!


I think the question we have to ask ourselves about something like a 
Code4Lib4Women group is whether it would divert needed discussion in the 
greater Code4lib community, which seems largely sympathetic and 
interested in rectifying the issues of sexism in our little corner of 
the universe. My fear is that such a fork might not be constructive if 
it  leads to a loss or further dilution of womens' perspective and 
contribution in the wider Code4Lib conversation, when that is exactly 
what we've identified as a problem.


-Shaun

On 11/28/12 4:01 PM, Salazar, Christina wrote:

Well, I guess any "non-majority" person, but I was thinking specifically of 
women ONLY because I'm a woman and I'd be willing to do something as far as coordinating. 
And possibly two or more non-location based chapters (i.e., one for gender, one for PoC).

And I wasn't really thinking of a separate conference (though that would be 
cool, but no one can afford more than one conference these days, can they?) but 
an additional meeting at the main con AND a separate e-mail list.

But I'm just throwing that out as venues that would be attractive/encouraging 
to me and things I know that I could do right now.

Christina
(Wow, I thought people would hate this concept, but me, I like it...)

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Rochkind
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:48 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

Sounds possibly interesting. Other than a word, what would that be exactly, and 
what would be the goals of it?  Do you mean a different conference, or 
listserv, or what?

On 11/28/2012 3:34 PM, Salazar, Christina wrote:

And/or Code4Lib4[I hate that word minority, but cannot think of
another for here, but maybe you get what I mean]

Not trying to splinter, but that might be one way to encourage diversity but 
again, without implication that ANYONE would be excluded.

(Inspired by
http://www.meetup.com/Los-Angeles-Womens-Ruby-on-Rails-Group/ )

Christina Salazar
Systems Librarian
John Spoor Broome Library
California State University, Channel Islands
805/437-3198
[Description: Description: CI Formal Logo_1B grad_em signature]




--
Shaun D. Ellis
Digital Library Interface Developer
Firestone Library, Princeton University
voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

[Henry Mensch]

On 28 Nov 2012, at 16:40, Ross Singer  wrote:

> I would disagree that sysadmin/network admin  types are considered less 
> geeky, it's just that coders and sysadmins speak completely different 
> languages, tend not to trust each other, and are generally working against 
> one another (since they have different goals). Bess's "Werewolves vs. 
> Vampires" presentation a couple years ago explained this well. 

differently geeky with (sometimes) different goals. i'm not sure about the 
mutual distrust--about the only winning part of MPOW at the moment is that 2/3 
of the coders have no trouble working with/trusting the systems staff (and vice 
versa).  the other 1/3 … well, he lives on his own planet most of the time, and 
we can only bend reality so much.

but yes, this is true more often than now.

(long-time lurker, first-time writing here…)

-- henry mensch / 
-- Syracuse Univ iSchool graduating some time late next year.

[CODE4LIB] What is a "coder"?

[Mark A. Matienzo]

Some discussion (both on-list and otherwise) has referred to "coders,"
and some discussion as such has raised the question whether
"non-coders" are welcome at code4lib.

What's a coder? I'm not trying to be difficult - I want to make
code4lib as inclusive as possible.

Mark A. Matienzo 
Digital Archivist, Manuscripts and Archives, Yale University Library
Technical Architect, ArchivesSpace

Re: [CODE4LIB] What is a "coder"?

[Jonathan Rochkind]

A coder is someone who writes code, naturally. :)  "code" is something intended 
to be interpreted or executed by a computer or a computer program. 

I think everyone agrees that anyone is welcome at code4lib. 

However, many want to keep code4lib conference presentations and community 
focused on technical matters and matters of interest to coders. 

These things are not neccesarily contradictorily.  

From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Mark A. 
Matienzo [mark.matie...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:02 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] What is a "coder"?

Some discussion (both on-list and otherwise) has referred to "coders,"
and some discussion as such has raised the question whether
"non-coders" are welcome at code4lib.

What's a coder? I'm not trying to be difficult - I want to make
code4lib as inclusive as possible.

Mark A. Matienzo 
Digital Archivist, Manuscripts and Archives, Yale University Library
Technical Architect, ArchivesSpace

[CODE4LIB] Job: Freelance Archivist at A&E Television Networks

[jobs]

Global media enterprise seeks highly motivated and organized individual to
support the networks' in-house footage archive group & related businesses.

  
Experience in research and materials review/cataloging is required--as is
background or demonstrated interest in history.

Must be masterful with details, a strong communicator, and very team player
oriented.

  
Experience in television or online media production is preferred, but not
required--as is basic knowledge of video format specs, Final Cut Pro, and/or
Digital Asset Management methodologies.

  
Applicants must be able and willing to work in a fast-paced environment on
occasional tight deadlines or volume-sized projects.



Brought to you by code4lib jobs: http://jobs.code4lib.org/job/4745/

[CODE4LIB] Job: Digitization Assistant at Walters Art Museum

[jobs]

In 2008, the Department of Manuscripts and Rare Books at the Walters Art
Museum embarked on an initiative to digitize its collection of medieval
illuminated manuscripts and make all of the images and associated descriptive
information freely available online under a Creative Commons license. Funded
by the National Endowment for the Humanities, the project has resulted in the
digitization of more than 200 manuscripts and is entering its fifth year.

  
The Walters seeks a Digitization Specialist to join the project team on the
next stage of its activities--the digitization of 113 Flemish manuscripts,
including 80 books of hours. This is a two-year, temporary, grant-funded
position ending on December 31, 2014. The incumbent reports to the Project
Director.

  
Duties:

  
Capturing high-resolution digital images of illuminated manuscripts using
existing digitization equipment, exhibiting competent handling skills for
fragile materials and strong knowledge of digital imaging theory and practice

Performing color correction, quality control, and processing of images

Conducting data transfers using established protocols and overseeing delivery
of images and metadata to digital repositories

Entering metadata into a purpose-built cataloging tool and ensuring its
integrity throughout a complex workflow

Requirements:

  
Bachelor's degree and at least two years demonstrated experience in handling
works of art; preference will be given to applicants with manuscript handling
experience. Familiarity with digital photographic principles and practice,
basic database function, and fundamental library cataloging theory is desired.
The incumbent must be detail-oriented, meticulous, and committed to a high
standard of work. Library cataloging experience, editing/proofreading ability,
and/or Master of Library Science degree a plus.

  
For consideration, send your resume, cover letter and salary requirements to
j...@thewalters.org



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[CODE4LIB] Job: Digital Content Specialist at University of Bridgeport

[jobs]

The University of Bridgeport is seeking applicants for a Digital Content
Specialist position. Reporting to the University Librarian, the Digital
Content Specialist supports initiatives to organize, disseminate, and archive
electronic content for the University across enterprise platforms. These
include: the Ex Libris suite of Primo, Metalib, SFX, and Voyager as the
Integrated Library System; the dspace Institutional Repository; and other
online resources. The Digital Content Librarian ensures long-term and
streamlined access to digitized content, develops and implements appropriate
metadata strategies to enhance discovery and organization of resources,
facilitates technology configuration and content addition for the digital
repository, and is responsible for researching emerging developments and
making recommendations during planning discussions

  
Responsibilities include creating and maintaining policies and procedures and
promoting collections to the University community. All librarians serve on
teams and as a subject liaison to one or more programs with responsibility for
collection development, library instruction, and reference. Librarians also
contribute to the leadership of the Library and University through
participation in committees.

  
Qualifications:

  
Master's Degree in Library or Information Science

Ability to learn new technologies quickly

Experience with creating and maintaining a Web page

Strong collaborative orientation, with excellent interpersonal and team skills

Preference will be given to candidates with some or all of the following:
demonstrated experience working with content management systems, learning
management systems, an institutional repository, digital technologies,
appropriate metadata schema/markup standards, library applications such as
link resolvers and discovery systems, web development interfaces, common Web
scripting resources such as Java script, library systems, or teaching
information literacy.

  
The University of Bridgeport offers a competitive salary and comprehensive
benefits package. Review of applications will begin immediately and continue
until the position is filled.

  
Please send letter of application and resume to:

  
Department of Human Resources

Digital Content Specialist

University of Bridgeport

Wahlstrom Library, 7th Floor

126 Park Avenue

Bridgeport, CT 06604

Fax: (203) 576-4601

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[CODE4LIB] Job: Communications Specialist, Office for Library Advocacy at American Library Association

[jobs]

The communications specialist position in the Office for Library Advocacy for
the American Library Association will play a major role in support and
coordination of grass roots library advocacy efforts to support the
Association and libraries nationwide.

  
The position will be responsible for ongoing management of websites, print and
electronic resources. Will facilitate webinars and organize trainings at
national and chapter conferences, as well as participate in public speaking
engagements. Act as a liaison to membership, with regular communication via
conference calls, email and in-person meetings.

  
Requirements:

  
minimum 3 to 5 years related experience in writing, editing and
communications. Bachelor's degree; Communications, Public
Relations, Journalism or related field preferred.

Excellent communications and interpersonal skills. Computer skills, including
web technologies such as Drupal and webinar software, as well as Microsoft
Office.

Event planning experience helpful. Library background or experience with not-
for-profits also a plus.

Some public speaking and travel required.

Resume submissions should be accompanied by two writing samples.

  
Starting salary from the high thirties; negotiable based on experience. ALA
offers an excellent benefit package including low-cost medical/dental
insurance, retirement annuity, and generous paid vacation.

  
  
For consideration apply directly online at:

  
http://www.ala.org/ala/educationcareers/employment/ (additional documents may
be uploaded on the same screen as your resume)

  
OR

  
Forward your resume, cover letter and writing samples to:

  
American Library Association

Human Resources Dept.

Ref. commspecAdvocacyOffice

50 E. Huron St

Chicago, IL 60611

  
fax: 312/280-5270

email: mpul...@ala.org



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Re: [CODE4LIB] What is a "coder"?

[Henry Mensch]

sure, but there's coding and then there's coding. i'm a sysadmin type, and i 
spend a minimal amount of time coding (although i do teach people how to use 
the shell to automate their work). i write small bits of code as needed to do 
my job, but nothing you'd recognize today. almost all of you have on your 
desktop (no matter what kind of desktop it is) some code i had something to do 
with a long time ago, though.

coder? do we really have to get so stuck in a definition here? we're all 
technologists, right?

-- h

Re: [CODE4LIB] What is a "coder"?

[Bess Sadler]

I also think that DevOps topics (e.g., puppet, chef, virtual machines) have 
always been of interest to this community, and that the line between "sysadmin" 
and "systems librarian" and "software engineer" and "ARCHITECT" can be a little 
arbitrary. Many of us work in jobs only loosely tied to our official job 
description, let alone the thing we studied. I recognize my fellow code4libber 
in every person who is trying to hold the information systems of a library 
together in some way. ESPECIALLY the ones who don't get recognized because 
"that should only be x% of your job"[1]. 

I don't think we can really afford to be snobs about anything around here. If 
you are interested in "the depth and longevity of the problems that need to be 
addressed[2]" by library software, and have concluded that our community's 
approach to that problem solving effort appeals to you and you would like to 
contribute to it in some way, you are welcome here. 

Many code4libbers do not write code (yet). They deploy it, or they maintain it, 
or they customize it, or they tweak it. It's okay, that counts too. 

Bess

[1] Although I sure did talk on #code4lib irc more when I had a Friday 
afternoon reference shift!  
[2] How to Hack code4lib: 
http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/How_to_hack_code4lib

On Nov 28, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Jonathan Rochkind  wrote:

> A coder is someone who writes code, naturally. :)  "code" is something 
> intended to be interpreted or executed by a computer or a computer program. 
> 
> I think everyone agrees that anyone is welcome at code4lib. 
> 
> However, many want to keep code4lib conference presentations and community 
> focused on technical matters and matters of interest to coders. 
> 
> These things are not neccesarily contradictorily.  
> 
> From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Mark A. 
> Matienzo [mark.matie...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:02 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: [CODE4LIB] What is a "coder"?
> 
> Some discussion (both on-list and otherwise) has referred to "coders,"
> and some discussion as such has raised the question whether
> "non-coders" are welcome at code4lib.
> 
> What's a coder? I'm not trying to be difficult - I want to make
> code4lib as inclusive as possible.
> 
> Mark A. Matienzo 
> Digital Archivist, Manuscripts and Archives, Yale University Library
> Technical Architect, ArchivesSpace