Re: Make use of announce@ (Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org)
Then perhaps the best solution is for you (or someone else) to write a simple, clear web page detailing all the channels that are typically used to announce projects. Perhaps also including some summary of the ideas and concerns raised in this thread would be appropriate? david - Original Message - From: "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 12:52 PM Subject: Make use of announce@ (Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org) > > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:10:04 -0700 (PDT) > Brian Behlendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > > If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each > > > announce(ments)@.apache.org mailing lists to forward to > > > announce@apache.org automatically... Right!? > > Nope, in fact I was arguing against it, unless someone crafts a message to > > let the subscribers of announce@apache.org be aware of such a > > configuration, so they can decide which list to subscribe to. But even > > then, ezmlm does not like having one mailing list send to another (as an > > anti-mail-loop mechanism). > > I see. Thank you for the explanation. From my point of view, it is > reasonable and understandable. I was also anxious about the mail-loop, > (As I mentioned here in community@) and I think "CC to announce@" would > be reasonable. > > However, I think that jakarta/xml and related (graduated) projects > did not make use of that mailing list before. I think many (most) > of the committers in jakarta/xml etc. do not know whether they > *can* ( = are allowed to ) make use of it or not each PMC issue!? > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Make use of announce@ (Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org)
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Brian Behlendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each > > announce(ments)@.apache.org mailing lists to forward to > > announce@apache.org automatically... Right!? > Nope, in fact I was arguing against it, unless someone crafts a message to > let the subscribers of announce@apache.org be aware of such a > configuration, so they can decide which list to subscribe to. But even > then, ezmlm does not like having one mailing list send to another (as an > anti-mail-loop mechanism). I see. Thank you for the explanation. From my point of view, it is reasonable and understandable. I was also anxious about the mail-loop, (As I mentioned here in community@) and I think "CC to announce@" would be reasonable. However, I think that jakarta/xml and related (graduated) projects did not make use of that mailing list before. I think many (most) of the committers in jakarta/xml etc. do not know whether they *can* ( = are allowed to ) make use of it or not each PMC issue!? -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:50:16 -0400
(Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org)
Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i believe you're missing the point. the issue is not the volume of
> email, it's imposing the burden on someone *else*. there are several
> people who are moderators for that list. adding another moderator
> won't keep the existing ones from having to wade through all the
> spam filling their inboxes -- it will just add one more person
> with the same amount of spam in *its* inbox.
1)
Yes, I knew. Why did not you think of "take over" instead of "add"??
Anyone can toss the tasks to the others if they feel burdens could
be enough not to handle the problems properly, as long as they
will prepare the documentations (or something) for the successors
of their tasks. (This is just my opinion, though)
There would be freedom of resignation as well as participation.
(In other words, I completely agree with your point of view
if there's no freedom of resignation)
I am willing to "take over".
2)
I think it can be one of the "functional enhancement requests"
for the ezmlm development team.
What about:
1. List Owner who get *all* mails for moderation
2. Moderators who receive 1/(number_of_moderators) mails for moderation
(not *all* the mails)
This is one of the proper "functional enhancement"s and i think it
works well.
Also,
http://www.fml.org/
gives you many hints and insights on "what is mailing list"
and should be.
> > Also, how about using modules for committers to explain such kind
> > of things as these above?
> please explain.
"committers" module can be used to store these kinds of information,
I think.
("See 'committers' module", instead of ":
Must be sent from an @apache.org address." in bounced mail)
> i don't think it's really subject to vote here. if anywhere,
> it would be the moderators and the infrastructure people. and
> my point is that now this is a publicly known algorithm, spammers
> may spoof mail as coming from @apache.org in order to get into
> the moderation queue.
I think there would be much nicer approaching method to solve
the problem, but I am afraid there could be *security* concerns.
I'll talk about this at other mailing lists (non-open ML).
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Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > Ken, if you feel *burdens* for the moderations of XX mailing > lists, please feel free to contact me. I think I can deal with > 250-500 additional mails per day for now. (Now: 500-700 mails per day) i believe you're missing the point. the issue is not the volume of email, it's imposing the burden on someone *else*. there are several people who are moderators for that list. adding another moderator won't keep the existing ones from having to wade through all the spam filling their inboxes -- it will just add one more person with the same amount of spam in *its* inbox. i think the issue here is the violation of the principle of least astonishment -- namely, the restriction wasn't clearly enough documented (or possibly at all) so it caught henning by surprise. as for whether documenting it is a good idea, see the last section below. > Also, how about using modules for committers to explain such kind > of things as these above? please explain. >> and now that this has been discussed on a publicly archived list, >> it will probably have to made even more stringent, such as >> requiring the mail be sent from your account on one of the asf >> machines or something. > > -1 i don't think it's really subject to vote here. if anywhere, it would be the moderators and the infrastructure people. and my point is that now this is a publicly known algorithm, spammers may spoof mail as coming from @apache.org in order to get into the moderation queue. -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Hi, I simply stole^Wborrowed the layout from Martins' Torque announcement. I will put "Jakarta Turbine" in for the final release. Thanks for the suggestion. Regards Henning On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 02:56, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:49:41 +0200 > Henning Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Which should be documented somewhere (or I was too blind to see it). > > > > Regards > > Henning > > Ditto: (+1) > > Also, I think [EMAIL PROTECTED] can use the same script, > if the moderators of [EMAIL PROTECTED] are now getting > many spam mails, coming to this address. > (Of course, I mean all the announce(ments)@.apache.org lists) > > Things should be simpler.:) .. Apache.org is complicated enough. > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > P.S. One suggestion, Hennings. "Turbine-2.3-RC2 released" -> > "Jakarta Turbine-2.3-RC2 released" or "Apache Turbine-2.3-RC2 released" > from next announcement. > > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:00, David Reid wrote: > > > And a very sensible one at that! > > > > > > :) > > > > > > david > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Rodent of Unusual Size" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:53 PM > > > Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org > > > [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > David Reid wrote: > > > > > As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily > > > moderated > > > > > through your announcement... > > > > > > > > unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an > > > @apache.org > > > > address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue. all > > > other > > > > sources will get silently dropped. an anti-spam measure. > > > > -- > > > > #ken P-)} > > > > > > > > Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ > > > > Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ > > > > > > > > "Millennium hand and shrimp!" > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer > > INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.terra-intl.com/ > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire "Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon!" -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:52:58 -0400 Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This isn't nice. :-( > henning, that's a judgement made from too little information. > if you were responsible for assessing hundreds of daily messages > to that address to see which should be moderated, you would > most likely have a different opinion. changing your return address > to an @apache.org one long enough to send a message is a lot > less strenuous for the community than allowing postings to it > from just anywhere and imposing the additional burden on the > moderators. who are volunteers, by the way. I think I can understand Henning's feelings as well as Ken's feelings. (I once administrated over 35 mailing lists at the same time. I owned over 10,000 members' community ... ) Ken, if you feel *burdens* for the moderations of XX mailing lists, please feel free to contact me. I think I can deal with 250-500 additional mails per day for now. (Now: 500-700 mails per day) Also, how about using modules for committers to explain such kind of things as these above? > and now that this has been discussed on a publicly archived list, > it will probably have to made even more stringent, such as > requiring the mail be sent from your account on one of the asf > machines or something. -1 -- Please use your precious time meaningfully and lead a useful life. -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:49:41 +0200 Henning Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which should be documented somewhere (or I was too blind to see it). > > Regards > Henning Ditto: (+1) Also, I think [EMAIL PROTECTED] can use the same script, if the moderators of [EMAIL PROTECTED] are now getting many spam mails, coming to this address. (Of course, I mean all the announce(ments)@.apache.org lists) Things should be simpler.:) .. Apache.org is complicated enough. -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. One suggestion, Hennings. "Turbine-2.3-RC2 released" -> "Jakarta Turbine-2.3-RC2 released" or "Apache Turbine-2.3-RC2 released" from next announcement. > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:00, David Reid wrote: > > And a very sensible one at that! > > > > :) > > > > david > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Rodent of Unusual Size" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:53 PM > > Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org > > [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > David Reid wrote: > > > > As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily > > moderated > > > > through your announcement... > > > > > > unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an > > @apache.org > > > address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue. all > > other > > > sources will get silently dropped. an anti-spam measure. > > > -- > > > #ken P-)} > > > > > > Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ > > > Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ > > > > > > "Millennium hand and shrimp!" > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer > INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
> If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each > announce(ments)@.apache.org mailing lists to forward to > announce@apache.org automatically... Right!? It was discussed, but I don't believe that it was effected. Brian had some concerns. See the community@ archives. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each > announce(ments)@.apache.org mailing lists to forward to > announce@apache.org automatically... Right!? Nope, in fact I was arguing against it, unless someone crafts a message to let the subscribers of announce@apache.org be aware of such a configuration, so they can decide which list to subscribe to. But even then, ezmlm does not like having one mailing list send to another (as an anti-mail-loop mechanism). Brian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: > Hi, > > now I know a reason: > > --- cut --- > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following > addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > : > Must be sent from an @apache.org address. > --- cut --- > > This isn't nice. :-( henning, that's a judgement made from too little information. if you were responsible for assessing hundreds of daily messages to that address to see which should be moderated, you would most likely have a different opinion. changing your return address to an @apache.org one long enough to send a message is a lot less strenuous for the community than allowing postings to it from just anywhere and imposing the additional burden on the moderators. who are volunteers, by the way. and now that this has been discussed on a publicly archived list, it will probably have to made even more stringent, such as requiring the mail be sent from your account on one of the asf machines or something. -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Hi, now I know a reason: --- cut --- Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Must be sent from an @apache.org address. --- cut --- This isn't nice. :-( Regards Henning On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 12:26, David Reid wrote: > As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated > through your announcement... > > If you wish to stick to using the jakarta address them I don't mind and it > may reach more of your intended audience - just curious :) > > david > > - Original Message - > From: "Henning Schmiedehausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:21 AM > Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org > [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote: > > > Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Because I looked at > > > > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement > > > > and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right > > address for jakarta announcements. > > > > I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS], > > too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got > > lost there, too. > > > > Regards > > Henning > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Henning Schmiedehausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM > > > Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: > Returnedpost > > > for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the > > > > announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by > the > > > > mailing list program. :-( > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Henning > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ > > > > Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services > > freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire > > > > "Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty > silicon!" > > -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Which should be documented somewhere (or I was too blind to see it). Regards Henning On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:00, David Reid wrote: > And a very sensible one at that! > > :) > > david > > - Original Message - > From: "Rodent of Unusual Size" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:53 PM > Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org > [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > David Reid wrote: > > > As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily > moderated > > > through your announcement... > > > > unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an > @apache.org > > address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue. all > other > > sources will get silently dropped. an anti-spam measure. > > -- > > #ken P-)} > > > > Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ > > Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ > > > > "Millennium hand and shrimp!" > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
And a very sensible one at that! :) david - Original Message - From: "Rodent of Unusual Size" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > David Reid wrote: > > As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated > > through your announcement... > > unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an @apache.org > address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue. all other > sources will get silently dropped. an anti-spam measure. > -- > #ken P-)} > > Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ > Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ > > "Millennium hand and shrimp!" > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
* Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > Wait, wait. > > If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each > announce(ments)@.apache.org mailing lists to forward to > announce@apache.org automatically... Right!? > wrong. -Thom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:53:50 -0400 Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Reid wrote: > > As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated > > through your announcement... > > unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an > @apache.org address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation > queue. all other sources will get silently dropped. an anti-spam > measure. Humhum. I got it! "bin/ezmlm-filter-from-apache".. right? It only checks the "From: " header line, however, it would be effective to reject most of the spam mails as you said. -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
David Reid wrote: > As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated > through your announcement... unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an @apache.org address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue. all other sources will get silently dropped. an anti-spam measure. -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Wait, wait. If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each announce(ments)@.apache.org mailing lists to forward to announce@apache.org automatically... Right!? Then, Henning does not have to CC to announce@apache.org, just mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... don't you think so?! >> all -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On 26 Aug 2003 13:00:34 +0200 (Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Henning Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I said, I was just looking on the web pages. Maybe we should update > them. > > Regards > Henning > > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 12:26, David Reid wrote: > > As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated > > through your announcement... > > > > If you wish to stick to using the jakarta address them I don't mind and it > > may reach more of your intended audience - just curious :) > > > > david > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Henning Schmiedehausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:21 AM > > Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org > > [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote: > > > > Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Because I looked at > > > > > > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement > > > > > > and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right > > > address for jakarta announcements. > > > > > > I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS], > > > too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got > > > lost there, too. > > > > > > Regards > > > Henning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Henning Schmiedehausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM > > > > Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: > > Returnedpost > > > > for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the > > > > > announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by > > the > > > > > mailing list program. :-( > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Henning > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > > > Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ > > > > > > Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services > > > freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire > > > > > > "Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty > > silicon!" > > > -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH > [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ > > Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services > freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire > > "Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon!" > -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
As I said, I was just looking on the web pages. Maybe we should update them. Regards Henning On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 12:26, David Reid wrote: > As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated > through your announcement... > > If you wish to stick to using the jakarta address them I don't mind and it > may reach more of your intended audience - just curious :) > > david > > - Original Message - > From: "Henning Schmiedehausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:21 AM > Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org > [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote: > > > Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Because I looked at > > > > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement > > > > and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right > > address for jakarta announcements. > > > > I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS], > > too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got > > lost there, too. > > > > Regards > > Henning > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Henning Schmiedehausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM > > > Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: > Returnedpost > > > for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the > > > > announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by > the > > > > mailing list program. :-( > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Henning > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ > > > > Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services > > freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire > > > > "Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty > silicon!" > > -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire "Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon!" -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... If you wish to stick to using the jakarta address them I don't mind and it may reach more of your intended audience - just curious :) david - Original Message - From: "Henning Schmiedehausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote: > > Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Because I looked at > > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement > > and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right > address for jakarta announcements. > > I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS], > too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got > lost there, too. > > Regards > Henning > > > > > > david > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Henning Schmiedehausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM > > Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost > > for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the > > > announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the > > > mailing list program. :-( > > > > > > Regards > > > Henning > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH > [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ > > Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services > freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire > > "Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon!" > -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote: > Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because I looked at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right address for jakarta announcements. I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS], too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got lost there, too. Regards Henning > > david > > - Original Message - > From: "Henning Schmiedehausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM > Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost > for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Hi, > > > > who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the > > announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the > > mailing list program. :-( > > > > Regards > > Henning > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire "Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon!" -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] david - Original Message - From: "Henning Schmiedehausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi, > > who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the > announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the > mailing list program. :-( > > Regards > Henning - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returned post for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Steven Noels wrote: > > You can also politely poll [EMAIL PROTECTED] for most of the apache lists, that gets turned into a single person when ezmlm [re]configures the list. it requires special handling to change that to be the moderators. only four lists are currently so configured: community-owner, community-digest-owner, [EMAIL PROTECTED], and [EMAIL PROTECTED] . the default single-person setting means that even with lots of moderators, stuff that goes to the owner is at the mercy of one person's schedule. -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returned post for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > But.. I assumed that "listowner != moderator" > and most of the mail lists in apache.org were owned by > 1. Mr. Jon Scott Stevens > 2. Mr. Ken Coar > 3. Mr. Dirk-Willem van Gulik > 4. Mr. Pier Paulo Fumagalli > right!?!? > > I am afraid that if those who think their "valid" messages have > not gotten reached to appropriate lists contact to list-owners at any > time, the list-owners' (those mentioned above) burdens would be > inflated... > > ... I hope my fears are utterly groundless. The list -owner and moderators necessarily the same, but not for any particular reason; just that it's two different settings with ezmlm. The above are all people who keep up with their mail, but also get a lot of it, and if any asked to have the -owner assigned to someone else, that'd be easy enough to do. So, there should be no fears about emailing a list's -owner address. Brian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returned post for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:14:57 +0200 Steven Noels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyway, I think it will be important to make it easier for us > > to find who are moderating XX mailing lists in the near future. > > You can also politely poll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ahh... right, right. Nice catch :) -- But.. I assumed that "listowner != moderator" and most of the mail lists in apache.org were owned by 1. Mr. Jon Scott Stevens 2. Mr. Ken Coar 3. Mr. Dirk-Willem van Gulik 4. Mr. Pier Paulo Fumagalli right!?!? I am afraid that if those who think their "valid" messages have not gotten reached to appropriate lists contact to list-owners at any time, the list-owners' (those mentioned above) burdens would be inflated... ... I hope my fears are utterly groundless. -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returned post for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Christian Geisert wrote: Why don't you subscribe to the list (or I am missing something?) Yes. ;-) Some lists, like most announcements lists, are configured that all message are moderated, even from subscribers. Or would like to receive some Sys-Con spam on these...? ;-) -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returned post for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Anyway, I think it will be important to make it easier for us to find who are moderating XX mailing lists in the near future. You can also politely poll [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returned post for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Henning Schmiedehausen schrieb: Hi, who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the mailing list program. :-( Why don't you subscribe to the list (or I am missing something?) Christian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org
* Brian Behlendorf wrote: > I don't think it's acceptable for moderators to miss valid messages, even > with the spam that comes through. Agreed, but ... > If anyone else has had valid messages rejected by moderators, please let > the corresponding PMC be aware of that. If you don't get a response, let > the board know. And still assume the best of intentions. :) ... I think, the first step should always be to contact the list-owner. A valid message may be discarded by accident. nd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returned post for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
I don't think it's acceptable for moderators to miss valid messages, even with the spam that comes through. However the last few weeks have been so chaotic with mail systems that it wouldn't surprise me if they just missed these, or the messages were lost along the way, or something. Anyways, I think it's best to address this between the list moderators and the corresponding PMC; I've sent a message to that extent. If anyone else has had valid messages rejected by moderators, please let the corresponding PMC be aware of that. If you don't get a response, let the board know. And still assume the best of intentions. :) Brian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returned post for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
It is possible that the moderator of that list did not moderate the mail. # To tell the truth, I got bounced mail recently, too. :-) Anyway, I think it will be important to make it easier for us to find who are moderating XX mailing lists in the near future. (Using committers module??) -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. BTW, congratulations upon the release of new Turbine 2.3 RC1 >> Henning -- On 25 Aug 2003 16:07:57 +0200 (Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returned post for [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Henning Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the > announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the > mailing list program. :-( > > Regards > Henning - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returned post for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Hi, who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the mailing list program. :-( Regards Henning -Forwarded Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Returned post for announcements@jakarta.apache.org > Date: 25 Aug 2003 13:53:01 + > > Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the > announcements@jakarta.apache.org mailing list. > > I'm working for my owner, who can be reached > at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'm sorry, the list moderators for the announcements list > have failed to act on your post. Thus, I'm returning it to you. > If you feel that this is in error, please repost the message > or contact a list moderator directly. > > --- Enclosed, please find the message you sent. > > > > From: Henning Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: announcements@jakarta.apache.org > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [NEWS] Jakarta Turbine 2.3 RC1 available > Date: 20 Aug 2003 11:31:48 +0200 > > 19. August 2003 - Jakarta Turbine 2.3 RC1 Released > > The Jakarta Turbine team is pleased to announce the availability of > the first release candidate for the Turbine 2.3 release. > > Please refer to href="http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/turbine-2.3/changes.html";>Changes > for a list of changes between the 2.2 and 2.3 code base. > > The sources are available from href="http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/turbine/turbine-2.3/source/";>Here. > > Jars built with JDK 1.3.1 and JDK 1.4.2 are available from href="http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/turbine/turbine-2.3/binaries/";>Here. > > We expect a final release candidate, RC2 to be released on 25th August with > the official release of Turbine 2.3 on September 1st. > > > > -- > Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH > [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ > > Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services > freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire > > "Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon!" > -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) > -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire "Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon!" -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
