[cg] clarifying location in messages
i couldn't agree more. if messages are location specific it should be in the subject line, ie cleanup in sacramento, etc. and always include the location in the text of a message, so people can get the context of a discussion. thank you judy tiger, washington dc __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
[cg] One approach to fencing
Elizabeth, My friends are part of a community garden in Madison, WI where the gardeners decided to put up a fence and plant blueberry and raspberry plants along the outside base of the fence. This is a way to make the fence a living part of the garden and also offer a small (but delicious) part of the harvest to the neighbors who don't participate in the garden. Chris Farber Volunteer Coordinator, Community Conservation Western Pennsylvania Conservancy __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
[cg] Re: Edie Stone, Director of NYC Greenthumb Speaks....Finally.
I would like to state for the record that I have no ownership interest in Lily's bar, as stated by Mr. Honigman. I also do not send out email updates about this or anything else on a regular basis. I am as concerned as you all must be by the delay in information sharing that has taken place around the issue of insurance, but it has taken some time for the City to negotiate any sort of possible solution that works for gardeners. The work is being done at the level of the Comptroller's office and the City Legal Department so GreenThumb has only been able to gently prod but cannot control the timetable of the resolution of this issue. It is more important for me to provide accurate information than to respond quickly. If GreenThumb had sent out a mass mailing stating that the insurance policy was no longer in effect with no information as to the meaning and potential liabilities caused by the situation I think it would have been more unsettling and uninformative than for the gardeners to hear about the sitution from NOSC, the insurance provider. Nevertheless, I appologize for the confusion and hope that a clear, informative mailing can be sent out soon. -Original Message- From: Adam36055 To: StoneEdie; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Plantlot; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:36:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time Subject: Edie Stone, Director of NYC Greenthumb SpeaksFinally. This is Adam Honigman speaking as an individual community gardener. I must say that I am delighted that the NYC Community Gardening fraternity has finally been informed by Ms. Stone, Director of Green Thumb, about our new insurance status. However, the period between when Ms. Stone knew about NOSC's discontinuation of our insurance, in July/August of this year, and mid-October, when she finally decided to let us all know, albeit with some prodding from concerned and vocal community gardeners, is extremely troubling. Again, this observation is by me, as an individual community gardener. NYC's community gardeners are out there, keeping our community gardens clean, safe and welcoming, shovelling snow, hauling garbage, running events, doing alot of stuff that makes our gardens and Green Thumb look good. The very least I would like, as an individual gardner would like is for the Green Thumb, the community gardening organization that I'm involved with to, pretty please, disseminate information on a key issue like insurance to its gardeners, in a timely matter. I don't like hearing about an adult matter like public space liability insurance the way teenagers used to learn about sex - via the grapevine. To not have received timely information on our community garden liability insurance seems, on the face of it, to be awfully negligent on the part of Greenthumb. Of course, I'm speaking as an individual here. Others may be less concerned As an individual, I like making Green Thumb look good - they gave me a plaque and all, (see, http://www.clintoncommunitygarden.org ) and I am a longtime supporter of NYC Parks Gardens because I believe that under Parks our gardens will always be accessible to the communities we serve - not private garden clubs functioning under the community garden label. However, timely communication on key safety information, like liability insurance coverage, is essential. As an individual, I got more timely events information from Lily's Bar, in Red Hook, Brooklyn, ( an establishment that Ms. Stone has or had an ownership interest ) than I do, or the Green Thumb garden that I'm associated with got, on its liability insurance. A matter of priorities, methinks. Again, speaking as an individual gardener, it seems that community gardening organizations, like Gateway Greening in St, Louis, or Seattle's P-Patch, have managed to do a better job, especially in organizing and keeping gardeners informed of issues essential to them, than we have managed to do here in NYC. And Gateway Greening and Seattle P-Patch Publications manage to reach me, via snail mail, faster and in a more timely fashion than those from Green Thumb. I know that we involved in community gardening in NYC can do better - and perhaps in the future, will. I know that Ms. Stone and NYC Parks Green Thumb has worked very hard for NYC's community gardens and gardeners - this gardener, again, speaking as an individual, just believes that this city's gardeners deserve a bit more transparency in governance and communication, from a community gardenin
RE: [cg] Fencing
Neither of the two gardens (both around 10 plots) that I manage have fencing, and theft is the #1 problem. They are both situated on public parks, and neither has an effective association. My question to those with fences: Are they locked? Does every plot-holder get a key? Are there limited access hours? I'd be interested to hear how these and related details are worked out. Cary Lehigh County, PA -Original Message- From: Jim Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:18 PM To: eliz Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: RE: [cg] Fencing Elizabeth, If you cruise ACGA links page (http://www.communitygarden.org/links.php) viewing various CG(s), you will notice most have some type of security fence. At our old location in a high tech research park, we did not have a fence. There was very little pedestrian traffic except for an occasional runner. We had virtually no vandalism and only a couple of times I caught someone illegally harvesting. When the city moved our garden to an urban environment, I insisted on having a 6' high fence to surround it. Presently, we keep the gates unlocked and we haven't had a problem. One shed is unlocked and the tool shed's doors are completely off. Who would want to steal some hoes, shovels, and other gardening tools... especially when it means they would have to do some physical work to use them? I wouldn't worry about school kids stealing vegetables and they will not be interested in gardening materials as well. Of course, if you put up scarecrows, that may intice their interest to vandalize them. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of eliz Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:06 PM Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: [cg] Fencing Are there any community gardens who have not had to put up a fence for security? We are building a community garden behind a church in our predominantly low-income neighborhood. We were hoping to avoid putting up a fence as many people use the site as a short-cut to school, library and businesses. With very little out there so far, we have already experienced some vandalism. Any suggestions? Elizabeth Austin, Texas __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
[cg] Compost Giveback in Brooklyn NY USA this weekend
For those of you in NYC specifically in Brooklyn, NYC you may be interested in attachment about our upcoming free compost giveback (available to all NYC residents). For those of you in other places you might be interested in what we are doing here. There is unlimited compost including the option to bring trucks and the Dept. of Sanitation will load them up; you can come back as many times as you wish. You must have a tarp to cover. See attached for details. Ellen Kirby, Director Brooklyn GreenBridge Community Horticulture Program Brooklyn Botanic Garden Phone: 718.623-7251 Fax: 718.857-2430 Address: 1000 Washington Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11225 Web Site: www.BBG.org [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of General info.doc] __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
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SORRY, THE ATTACHMENT DIDN'T COME THROUGH. HERE IT IS: FREE COMPOST IN BROOKLYN FOR ALL NYC RESIDENTS, SAT. OCT 30 The Urban Composting Project of the Brooklyn Botanic Garden in association with the NYC Department of Sanitation is pleased to offer unlimited free compost (while supplies last) to the residents of Brooklyn. Individuals are welcome to the Spring Creek composting site from 10am-4pm on Saturday, June 25, 2005 and/or Sunday, June 26, 2005 with their shovels and containers to dig "Black Gold" for their home gardens. Garden Gourmet compost bins will also be for sale for $20 at this event (while supplies last). To help community gardens, schools, hospitals, religious groups and other non-profits, take advantage of this opportunity to get free compost made from autumn leaves and Christmas trees collected by the NYC Department of Sanitation, you are invited to send open top trucks, which you own or rent, on either of these June dates, as well as other vehicles. Only non-profits with trucks need to pre-register. The site will open at 8:30am for trucks. Call 718-623-7290 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to request a truck registration form. PLEASE NOTE: THERE IS NO COMPOST FOR PICK UP AT THE BROOKLYN BOTANIC GARDEN. Spring Creek Compost Site is located at 12720-B Flatlands Avenue, at the southeast corner of Flatlands and Fountain Avenues. Directions to site: Brooklyn Queens Expressway W to Exit 29B (Tillary St.). Take Tillary to Flatbush Ave. Make a left onto Flatbush and continue (past Brooklyn Botanic Garden) to Linden Blvd. Make a left turn onto Linden and continue to Fountain Ave. Make a right turn onto Fountain and continue to Flatlands Ave. Belt Parkway to Exit 14 (Pennsylvania Ave.). Continue northwest on Pennsylvania Ave. (Granville Payne Ave.) until Flatlands Ave. Make a right onto Flatlands and continue until Fountain Ave. Note: Commercial vehicles are not allowed on the Belt Parkway. Van Wyck Expressway South to Exit 3 (Linden Blvd). Continue west on Linden Blvd., past Aqueduct and over Cross Bay Blvd./Conduit. Continue on Linden about 1 more mile to Fountain Ave. Make a left turn onto Fountain and continue 5 blocks until Flatlands Ave. Public transportation: Take the A or C to Euclid Ave. Transfer to the B13 bus toward Gateway Dr./Erskine St. (Gateway Center Mall/Spring Creek). Exit bus near Flatlands & Fountain Aves. The Department of Sanitation has funded compost education projects at the City's Botanical Gardens since 1993. Ellen Kirby, Director Brooklyn GreenBridge Community Horticulture Program Brooklyn Botanic Garden Phone: 718.623-7251 Fax: 718.857-2430 Address: 1000 Washington Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11225 Web Site: www.BBG.org __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
Re: [cg] Fencing
Yes, yes and yes. For an example of key garden access, please go to http://www.clintoncommunitygarden.org -Original Message- From: Cary Oshins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ACGA listserve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:04:38 -0400 Subject: RE: [cg] Fencing Neither of the two gardens (both around 10 plots) that I manage have fencing, and theft is the #1 problem. They are both situated on public parks, and neither has an effective association. My question to those with fences: Are they locked? Does every plot-holder get a key? Are there limited access hours? I'd be interested to hear how these and related details are worked out. Cary Lehigh County, PA -Original Message- From: Jim Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:18 PM To: eliz Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: RE: [cg] Fencing Elizabeth, If you cruise ACGA links page (http://www.communitygarden.org/links.php) viewing various CG(s), you will notice most have some type of security fence. At our old location in a high tech research park, we did not have a fence. There was very little pedestrian traffic except for an occasional runner. We had virtually no vandalism and only a couple of times I caught someone illegally harvesting. When the city moved our garden to an urban environment, I insisted on having a 6' high fence to surround it. Presently, we keep the gates unlocked and we haven't had a problem. One shed is unlocked and the tool shed's doors are completely off. Who would want to steal some hoes, shovels, and other gardening tools... especially when it means they would have to do some physical work to use them? I wouldn't worry about school kids stealing vegetables and they will not be interested in gardening materials as well. Of course, if you put up scarecrows, that may intice their interest to vandalize them. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of eliz Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:06 PM Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: [cg] Fencing Are there any community gardens who have not had to put up a fence for security? We are building a community garden behind a church in our predominantly low-income neighborhood. We were hoping to avoid putting up a fence as many people use the site as a short-cut to school, library and businesses. With very little out there so far, we have already experienced some vandalism. Any suggestions? Elizabeth Austin, Texas __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
[cg] Free compost in Brooklyn-revised
I hope this is my last message on this. I realized I had pasted the wrong dates. Here it is: FREE COMPOST The Urban Composting Project of Brooklyn Botanic Garden in association with the NYC Department of Sanitation is pleased to offer free unlimited compost to the residents of Brooklyn. NYC residents and non-profits are invited to the Spring Creek composting site Saturday, October 29, 2005 and/or Sunday, October 30, 2005, from 8:00 am to 2:00 pm, with your shovels and containers to dig "Black Gold" for their gardens. Compost bins will also be available for $20. Come early while supplies last. Residents and non-profits are also invited to any of the following October events, and are able to bring open top trucks (and must bring a tarp to cover the compost for transportation), which you own or rent, to any of these locations. Site personnel with front-end loaders will be on hand to assist filling the trucks. Individuals may attend any or all of these events, regardless of which borough you live in, but must register your truck with the appropriate Botanic Garden. Contact the Urban Composting Project at Brooklyn Botanic Garden to request a truck registration form if you wish to attend the Giveback on October 29 or 30. Other vehicles are welcome, but only trucks must be registered. See directions below to the Spring Creek Composting Facility. Dates: The following Saturdays & Sundays in October: October 1 & 2 at the Fresh Kills Composting Facility, Staten Island October 15 & 16 at the Soundview Composting facility, Bronx October 22 & 23 at the Spring Creek Composting Facility, Brooklyn October 29 & 30 at the Spring Creek Composting Facility, Brooklyn Times: 8:00 am to 2:00 pm; Arrive at least 30 minutes prior to closing to receive compost. Each of these Giveback weekends will be hosted by the corresponding Botanic Garden in that borough, with the exception of the Spring Creek location, which will be used by both Queens Botanical Garden and Brooklyn Botanic Garden. PLEASE NOTE: THERE IS NO COMPOST FOR PICK UP AT BROOKLYN BOTANIC GARDEN. The Spring Creek Compost Facility is located at 12720-B Flatlands Avenue, which is at the easternmost end of Flatlands Avenue, just past Fountain Avenue. Directions to site: Brooklyn Queens Expressway W to Exit 29B (Tillary St.). Take Tillary to Flatbush Ave. Make a left onto Flatbush and continue (past Brooklyn Botanic Garden) to Linden Blvd. Make a left turn onto Linden and continue to Fountain Ave. Make a right turn onto Fountain and continue to Flatlands Ave. Belt Parkway to Exit 14 (Pennsylvania Ave.). Continue northwest on Pennsylvania Ave. (Granville Payne Ave.) until Flatlands Ave. Make a right onto Flatlands and continue until Fountain Ave. Note: Commercial vehicles are not allowed on the Belt Parkway. Van Wyck Expressway South to Exit 3 (Linden Blvd). Continue west on Linden Blvd., past Aqueduct and over Cross Bay Blvd./Conduit. Continue on Linden about 1 more mile to Fountain Ave. Make a left turn onto Fountain and continue 5 blocks until Flatlands Ave. Public transportation: Take the A or C to Euclid Ave. Transfer to the B13 bus toward Gateway Dr./Erskine St. (Gateway Center Mall/Spring Creek). Exit bus near Flatlands & Fountain Aves. The Department of Sanitation has funded compost education projects at the City's Botanical Gardens since 1993. Ellen Kirby, Director Brooklyn GreenBridge Community Horticulture Program Brooklyn Botanic Garden Phone: 718.623-7251 Fax: 718.857-2430 Address: 1000 Washington Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11225 Web Site: www.BBG.org __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
[cg] Mpls Mn case in point - location first, please
Mpls, MN. gardener gives case in point regarding starting all messages with your location Is the Clinton Ave garden the one in Mpls? If so, I want to come help with the cleanup and get some of them there bulbs being offered. I'm on my bike, though, so if you are in another state, I'll have to leave before dawn, and I want to prepare. I have to let my boss know I won't be back for a couple days. Maybe weeks. Months, maybe. That might be good for me. Ride to the Clinton Ave. Garden, which I thought was ten blocks or so away, and find it takes months to get there. I need the break and the exercise. My boss might appreciate it, too. Finally, he can get rid of me. Love Life, Earth, Neighbor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-722-7356 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:00:11 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: community_garden digest, Vol 1 #2253 - 7 msgs > > > Send community_garden mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of community_garden digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fencing ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 2. Mpls. gardener finds it disconcerting (Lynne Mayo) > 3. clarifying location in messages ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 4. One approach to fencing (Farber, Chris) > 5. Re: Edie Stone, Director of NYC Greenthumb SpeaksFinally. > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 6. RE: Fencing (Cary Oshins) > 7. Compost Giveback in Brooklyn NY USA this weekend (Kirby, Ellen) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:51:43 -0700 > To: "eliz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [cg] Fencing > Cc: "ACGA listserve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If you want the path to be open and want to cut down on vandalism, one > alternative is a fence to mark boundaries, and gates (open or latched) to > mark the paths. Especially when plants are small, it's a good idea to make > the boundaries and paths obvious. Sometimes nongardeners simply do not see > plants, or don't see the difference between weeds and cultivated plants. > > We have a fence, which serves to mark the perimeter (with roses and > perennials around the outside) and to keep dogs out. Dog-walkers love to > use the path around the garden, and dogs do understand and respect gates, > so we can leave the gates open when working in the garden. This time of > year, the squirrels like to sit on the gates and eat tomatoes. > > Tanya > Palo Alto, Calif. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:38:25 -0400 > From: Lynne Mayo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [cg] Mpls. gardener finds it disconcerting > > that it is so hard to determine if a message is from Minneapolis/St. Paul, > or out of state. Is there some way to make this clear in the list preview > so those of us who wish can skip messages about seed give aways occuring > across the country? Thanks...or maybe I just don't know how to read the > messages correctly? > > Love Life, Earth, Neighbor > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 612-722-7356 > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:00:03 -0500 >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: community_garden digest, Vol 1 #2245 - 4 msgs >> >> >> Send community_garden mailing list submissions to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit >> https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of community_garden digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. CCG Cleanup this Saturday ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >> 2. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[tb-cybergardens]:=20Edie=20Stone,=20Direct?= >> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?or=20of=20NYC=20Greenthumb=A0=20SpeaksFinally.=A0?= >> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >> 3. Edie Stone, Director of NYC Greenthumb SpeaksFinally. >> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >> >> -- __--__-- >> >> Message: 1 >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:14:08 EDT >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: [cg] CCG Cleanup this Saturday >> >> Friends, >> >> If you're in town, and want to venture up to midtown,get a little dirty, meet >> some visiting gardeners from St. Louus, throw some fresh herbs on your >> mid-day pizza and beer and maybe get filmed by a Japanese video crew (it's >> some >> kind of ecology show, been trying to explain that there are very few tomatoes >> being harvested in October, but there seems to be a langu
RE: [cg] Fencing
At 10:04 AM -0700 10/24/05, Cary Oshins of Lehigh County, PA, wrote: >Neither of the two gardens (both around 10 plots) that I manage have >fencing, and theft is the #1 problem. They are both situated on public >parks, and neither has an effective association. My question to those with >fences: Are they locked? Does every plot-holder get a key? Are there >limited access hours? I'd be interested to hear how these and related >details are worked out. Here in suburbia (population 60K), the main community garden is fenced, with gates that latch but don't lock. It's across the parking lot from the public library and near the community art center, so it has lots of nearby activity and gets used a fair amount by the public. It never feels deserted. People park and then spend their lunch hour in or near the garden, or they walk dogs (on the perimeter path) or children or themselves, or wander over after going to the library. I have heard of problems with poaching, but I have not seen it myself (except for the squirrels and birds), and I have heard one report of vandalism and one report of teenagers using drugs in the nearby shrubbery after dark. We do have signs posted saying that people are welcome to walk through, but picking is not allowed (in 4 languages). Another community garden site in town is adjacent to a public park that often has picnickers and big parties on the weekends. The garden plots are fenced with combination locks on the gates -- I don't know the story. I have seen homeless people camping in the bushes nearby, though, and since cars are allowed on the unpaved perimeter path, an occasional teenager drives around the loop too fast. Also, the site is surrounded by trees, so it feels secluded and does not get much foot traffic besides gardeners and dog walkers. It almost always feels deserted when I walk the dogs there. So I think one key factor is whether there is enough activity nearby to make would-be scofflaws feel that they are being watched. I also think a fence is important to "mark" the space, and "no picking" signs remove any doubt for anyone who is tempted. Tanya Palo Alto, Calif. __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
Fwd: [cg] Fencing
In a message dated 10/24/05 8:43:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Subj: Re: [cg] Fencing > Date: 10/24/05 8:43:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent from the Internet > > > > > I recommend a combination lock. There are locks made for outdoor use. Try > a marine supplier. > Janice > LaGuardia Corner Garden > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Yes, yes and yes. Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (rly-yg01.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.79]) by air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINYG13-265435d7fba311; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:43:46 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.5]) by rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYG13-265435d7fba311; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:43:38 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpe-24-193-81-218.nyc.res.rr.com [24.193.81.218]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j9P0h01g017144 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:43:54 -0400 From: doggielama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [cg] Fencing References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-AOL-IP: 24.29.109.5 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d I recommend a combination lock. There are locks made for outdoor use. Try a marine supplier. Janice LaGuardia Corner Garden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, yes and yes. For an example of key garden access, please go to http://www.clintoncommunitygarden.org -Original Message- From: Cary Oshins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ACGA listserve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:04:38 -0400 Subject: RE: [cg] Fencing Neither of the two gardens (both around 10 plots) that I manage have fencing, and theft is the #1 problem. They are both situated on public parks, and neither has an effective association. My question to those with fences: Are they locked? Does every plot-holder get a key? Are there limited access hours? I'd be interested to hear how these and related details are worked out. Cary Lehigh County, PA -Original Message- From: Jim Call [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:18 PM To: eliz Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: RE: [cg] Fencing Elizabeth, If you cruise ACGA links page ( http://www.communitygarden.org/links.php ) viewing various CG(s), you will notice most have some type of security fence. At our old location in a high tech research park, we did not have a fence. There was very little pedestrian traffic except for an occasional runner. We had virtually no vandalism and only a couple of times I caught someone illegally harvesting. When the city moved our garden to an urban environment, I insisted on having a 6' high fence to surround it. Presently, we keep the gates unlocked and we haven't had a problem. One shed is unlocked and the tool shed's doors are completely off. Who would want to steal some hoes, shovels, and other gardening tools... especially when it means they would have to do some physical work to use them? I wouldn't worry about school kids stealing vegetables and they will not be interested in gardening materials as well. Of course, if you put up scarecrows, that may intice their interest to vandalize them. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of eliz Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:06 PM Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: [cg] Fencing Are there any community gardens who have not had to put up a fence for security? We are building a community garden behind a church in our predominantly low-income neighborhood. We were hoping to avoid putting up a fence as many people use the site as a short-cut to school, library and businesses. With very little out there so far, we have already experienced some vandalism. Any suggestions? Elizabeth Austin, Texas __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden _
Re: [cg] Fencing
Here in New York City every community garden I have seen is fenced in. Of course NY has it's unique set of problems that require a fence, theft definitely being one of them. Even with a tall fence we loose our peaches every year. The tree is bursting with peaches at night, next morning the tree is stripped bare of fruit. We have never discovered the thief who must be a courageous tree climber to get all the fruit. In our garden: - Every plot holder gets a key and we change the locks every few years. - By agreement with the city we obliged to be open 10 hours a week. However we keep the garden open at other times additionally, as long as someone is willing to monitor the garden. Some ideas: - A group of three people is effectively an association, have a meeting to discuss how to have the garden open. - Check with your municipality and see if a fence is acceptable to them as it is a public park. There might be factors that will prevent the construction of a fence. - If you can't build a fence, consider growing plants that are less likely to be stolen or accidentally destroyed. Flowers and fruit are prime picking temptations. Delicate ground plants are prime victims of errant feet. Tall plants, bushes, raised beds can help prevent accidental plant damage. William Hohauser 6th Street & Avenue B Garden New York, NY On Oct 24, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Cary Oshins wrote: Neither of the two gardens (both around 10 plots) that I manage have fencing, and theft is the #1 problem. They are both situated on public parks, and neither has an effective association. My question to those with fences: Are they locked? Does every plot-holder get a key? Are there limited access hours? I'd be interested to hear how these and related details are worked out. Cary Lehigh County, PA -Original Message- From: Jim Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:18 PM To: eliz Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: RE: [cg] Fencing Elizabeth, If you cruise ACGA links page (http://www.communitygarden.org/ links.php) viewing various CG(s), you will notice most have some type of security fence. At our old location in a high tech research park, we did not have a fence. There was very little pedestrian traffic except for an occasional runner. We had virtually no vandalism and only a couple of times I caught someone illegally harvesting. When the city moved our garden to an urban environment, I insisted on having a 6' high fence to surround it. Presently, we keep the gates unlocked and we haven't had a problem. One shed is unlocked and the tool shed's doors are completely off. Who would want to steal some hoes, shovels, and other gardening tools... especially when it means they would have to do some physical work to use them? I wouldn't worry about school kids stealing vegetables and they will not be interested in gardening materials as well. Of course, if you put up scarecrows, that may intice their interest to vandalize them. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of eliz Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:06 PM Cc: ACGA listserve Subject: [cg] Fencing Are there any community gardens who have not had to put up a fence for security? We are building a community garden behind a church in our predominantly low-income neighborhood. We were hoping to avoid putting up a fence as many people use the site as a short-cut to school, library and businesses. With very little out there so far, we have already experienced some vandalism. Any suggestions? Elizabeth Austin, Texas __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http:// www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https:// secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
[cg] Translating some vegetable names and a surprising use for honeysuckle
We solved a few mysteries of herb and vegetable names from 2004 and have a new set of mysteries from 2005. The Korean herb-vegetable that looked sort of like chrysanthemum when young and called ssook turned out to be mugwort. A large leafed vegetable plant turned out to be sesame leaf or green leafed perilla. Here are the new mysteries. If anyone has any ideas I'd be glad to hear them! 1) Fruit-vegetable about the size of a cucumber but lighter green. Wrinkled. When over ripe it's an orange red. Grown by Chinese gardeners. Plant is a vine and supported on fencing. 2) Berry grows on vine. Ripe fruit is shiny black (or so dark purple it looks black). Fruit is round and about the size of a pencil eraser. Grown by Chinese gardeners. Supported on a fence. #1 and #2 are often grown on the same fence. 3) Leaf called Gun-dae by Korean gardeners. It looks sort of like an irregularly shaped swiss chard leaf. Eaten like cooked spinach. 4) Leaf called aahh-ooo (like oo in too) by Korean gardeners. It looks like a hibiscus leaf. Leaves are individually picked with their stems. Stems are peeled before cooking and eating. Leaves cooked and eaten like spinach. 5) Leaf called loboda by Bosnian/Serbian gardeners. It looks sort of like a cross between sorrel and swiss chard, but gardeners distinguish between the three of these. Leaf is triangular and pointy, about 6 inches long. It's cooked and eaten like spinach. It's an annual plant that's affected by frost. Seeds(pods?) are roundish but have a cratered surface and are medium brown, perhaps 1/8 or so in diameter. 6) I was asked for name and where to find plant or seeds by a Bosnian/Serbian gardener for a plant described as Leaves give the skin a bad rash Leaf is rough or irritating Leaves eaten like spinach and make very good soup and pie Very healthy to eat Tasty My first thought was nettles. Unfortunately I haven't seen any around the garden to show what the plant looks like or to collect seeds from. I considered that it might be rue, but with the way he describe it, it seems less likely. Plus the roughness of the leaves sounds more like nettles. And tasty rather than bitter sounds more like nettles. Are there any other leafy greens that would fit this description? If it's nettles does anyone have some extra seed from some especially tasty nettles that I could pass along to him? * And just as an interesting FYI. One of our gardens has some honeysuckle on the wild edges. Chinese gardeners were busy collecting the blossoms to dry. They said they use them in an antibiotic tea. I knew lots of people liked them fresh or to make syrup, but hadn't realized they could be used medicinally. So I looked them up in the Plants for a Future database and discovered they have quite a few medicinal uses. http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Lonicera+japonica Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
