Re: [CGUYS] I HATE FLASH!! And I love Flash.
>Flash is OK for YouTube. It's wonderful for ads, since I use Flashblock. >Now I'm not distracted with flashing and blinking ads. That raises an entirely different issue. If you take the content is it okay for you to block the ads? If you don't like the ads maybe you should go somewhere else for your content? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I HATE FLASH!! And I love Flash.
>There's no reason to use any kind of video in any format where static >data provides more information, faster, and is easier to load and >navigate. No more Trash with Flash!! For a while Macromedia was running a similar campaign. There are many very useful applications of Flash and MM was trying to discourage the trashy ones. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
>I remember seeing a certain level of elitism coming from Mac users maybe >13 years ago... >It turns out that they were right. The Mac OS then was very reliable and >easier to deal with. I guess that looking at things from the top of the heap is going to look different than looking at it from the bottom. So those with the crappy computers are going to be resentful of the Mac owners. Meanwhile the Mac owners will be showing little patience with the constant stream of Windows problems that they don't want to hear about. I think the Mac owners impatience stems from a belief that these are self-inflicted wounds. I mean if someone is born crippled or is injured in an accident, most people will be sympathetic. But it is much harder to be sympathetic when faced with both a self-inflicted wound and a refusal to take an easy cure. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Details on Apple's "Time Machine"
>Thanks. The article confirms what I suspected when Jobs first described Time >Machine: It's a *lot* like Dirvish, as you can see from the description Thanks too. I did not know about Dirvish. Yes it does look like Apple's Time Machine is borrowing from this open source project. Time Machine looks more attractive because I don't need to set up a Unix server. All Time Machine requires is another disk drive. The operating system takes care of everything else. I see an interesting note that Dirvish does not get along so well with a journaled file system. Hopefully kinks like this will be nicely sugar coated by Apple. I also wonder about how it works with File Vault. Has anyone spotted a Dervish applicance? This looks like a nice product for a compamy like Linksys to provide. Or mayne someone has a hack to convert an NSLU2 into a Dervish server? That would be cool too. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] FTP access through VPN problem
Having a problem accessing a FTP site through the company's VPN. The FTP is accessible from an external computer (outside the VPN), but when logging in via the VPN, the browser just gets stuck in a continual loop and doesn't even time out. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Richard P. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I HATE FLASH!! And I love Flash.
I couldn't agree with you more. Here is the worst offender I have had the misfortune to use: http://www.saccuccihonda.com/ Their home page consists of nothing but several Flash animations. I tried opening up all the flash animations and finally gave up after it took so long to download each one. It is a well known Honda dealership and I never could find the extended warranty department until I Googled for a direct link. It has gotten to the point that when a Flash shows up as the first page of a browser without an option to bypass it, I just find another source for my information. Richard P. b_s-wilk wrote: Flash is OK for YouTube. It's wonderful for ads, since I use Flashblock. Now I'm not distracted with flashing and blinking ads. I HATE FLASH for content on web sites. I can't view the site at all without waiting for it to load, even though it was much faster without Flash. Worse, where there are several links I want to view, I can't right-click/control-click to open each link in a new tab, so I have to wait for each link to open separately. It's much harder to parse the code for A/V links to view in stand-alone players--this helps for streaming A/V that is timed. Even worse, Adobe Flash is a resource hog, likely to slow down everything else. Flash doesn't "like" to be in the background, so I have to wait for the Flash to load before I can go to another tab or window in the same browser. This happens on new and old computers, on slow and fast networks, with plenty of RAM. Does Adobe give the Flash authoring program away free? Why do so many web developers use it when it's vastly inferior to other choice, including plain HTML and static images to provide fast information. Today alone I tried to pay my bills online. Three of the sites use Flash. Two didn't work, although they did before the Flash was added. Do Nokia, Samsung, Honda, et al need to use video for their index pages? I went to Samsung to look up some cell phones and closed the window instead of waiting for yet another new video to load when all I really want is specs on a phone. Nokia's site was much faster and more user friendly before Flash. Makes navigation more complicated. Maybe web developers will get tired of creating Flash images--takes longer than other formats to create--and stop wasting our time. Sometimes Flash is appropriate, like for videos, but too often the web is being taken over by Trash with FLASH. Betty * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I HATE FLASH!! And I love Flash.
> We're approaching this from different angles. In the video world, .wmv is > most certainly a web standard. And it was long before .flv (Flash). But that > has nothing to do with your complaint about porky animations on websites. > But again, once the Flash is loaded, you shouldn't experience slowdowns. > > By the way, mpeg (1 or 2) isn't really a substitute for the newer mpeg 4 > codecs like wmv9. If for some unlikely reason you thought your audience > would be comprised of Win98-era computers, then mpeg 1 or 2 might be > appropriate. Your trouble starting a stream could have a variety of causes, > but it's not an issue with the wmv9 format. WMV may be a standard for Windows video but it isn't universal. It's not used seriously for pro video, either. Microsoft has Windows Media Player for Windows. They don't develop for other platforms, and in the usual Micro$oft paranoid manner, they don't provide all of the APIs for other platforms so that third party apps can be fully functional. WMV9 isn't fully open. As a result there are Windows-only features in sites whose clueless authors thought that anybody could view. You use Windows, so you wouldn't notice. Most people who visit a site that doesn't work just leave. The site owners don't know unless it's a bank or something that's absolutely necessary for the visitor/customer/employee to access. Then they get complaints, maybe flames. The main requirement for the Internet is universality. I'm talking about web pages and features working for all fairly recent platforms and browsers. The MPEG codecs are open, so players are available. The objects are also fast enough to work. Not so with Flash. Flash objects may be small, but they're slow. WMV objects are unreliable. They fail to load or lose a stream after a short time. That's unacceptable. BTW, Flash is much older than WMV9 or any other WM version, too. It began in Macromind/Macromedia Director before it was spun off as a separate program. At least the Director files loaded very quickly and ran standalone on almost any ancient platform; but that was before Adobe ate Flash--the company that also bloated Photoshop as soon as they bought it from the Knoll brothers. I don't pay for broadband so I can hassle with broken .wmv streams or wait for Flash video to load. There's too many bad web authors and authoring tools, using inappropriate features. Fifteen years and we're back to the *World Wide Wait*. Thanks, Adobe. Thanks, Microsoft. Thanks, clueless web authors. And thanks advertisers, for using Flash for ads in my Flashblocked browsers. Betty * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] FTP access through VPN problem
>Having a problem accessing a FTP site through the company's VPN. The FTP >is accessible from an external computer (outside the VPN), but when >logging in via the VPN, the browser just gets stuck in a continual loop >and doesn't even time out. Any help would be appreciated. If the FTP site is outside of your virtual network you are passing through a firewall that looks like it has the FTP ports shut off. Easy solution is to access FTP server from outside of your network. Hard solution is to beg and plead to have the FTP ports opened. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] Standards & Flash
As much as you might not like to admit it, when an OS generates 92% of the traffic on a website, that's a standard. 91% of that is Windows versions that can play .wmv9 with no trouble. [stats pulled from my own community website just now] Yes, pro video people use wmv9 all the time these days for many purposes. I *am* one so I can talk. Flash _video_ is *not* older than .wmv, nor even wmv9 which is when I started using it (and is all I'm talking about). As I recall, video only became possible with Flash 6, but to date there are no easy/free converters or players (I believe Adobe is getting set to release a free player RSN). So far, authors must encode and include a player with their Flash video. BTW wmv9 video has been approved as a standard by SMPTE (they call it VC-1). Flash video has not. You're going to be seeing a lot more of it since it's one of the standards included in HD-DVD and Blu-ray disks. WMV may be a standard for Windows video but it isn't universal. It's not > used seriously for pro video, either. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I HATE FLASH!! And I love Flash.
The thing that makes developers run for Flash is MS's defective IE browser. Flash is an easy way to program sophisticated user interaction on a common platform across all browsers. The choices are either Flash or AJAX/FJAX and Flash is more bullet proof. >The main requirement for the Internet is universality. I'm talking about >web pages and features working for all fairly recent platforms and >browsers. The MPEG codecs are open, so players are available. The >objects are also fast enough to work. Not so with Flash. Flash objects >may be small, but they're slow. WMV objects are unreliable. They fail to >load or lose a stream after a short time. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] FTP access through VPN problem
More information: At the home office, they can access the FTP without any trouble from inside their VPN. Several bureaus adjacent to the home office have easy access. The problem child is in DC, 500 miles from the home office. My guess is that the ports are open (given that it is accessible from the home office), but it probably wouldn't hurt to confirm this. Thanks, Richard P. Tom Piwowar wrote: Having a problem accessing a FTP site through the company's VPN. The FTP is accessible from an external computer (outside the VPN), but when logging in via the VPN, the browser just gets stuck in a continual loop and doesn't even time out. Any help would be appreciated. If the FTP site is outside of your virtual network you are passing through a firewall that looks like it has the FTP ports shut off. Easy solution is to access FTP server from outside of your network. Hard solution is to beg and plead to have the FTP ports opened. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds
I am curious why in this day & age T1 lines max out at 1.5Mbps while DSL and cable speeds are many times faster. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I HATE FLASH!! And I love Flash.
>Flash is OK for YouTube. It's wonderful for ads, since I use Flashblock. >Now I'm not distracted with flashing and blinking ads. That raises an entirely different issue. If you take the content is it okay for you to block the ads? If you don't like the ads maybe you should go somewhere else for your content? I don't block the text ads. I don't block the GIF or JPEG ads. I don't block the blinkers either. Flash is a mess. Advertisers shouldn't use movies where still images work as well as better. Perhaps I should email the offending sites and complain. But I'm only one person. Who else will complain about the inappropriate use of software? It's their loss and my gain, unless it's a site that I really like, then I'll tell them they have a problem. I do view some of the ads, but it's my choice, not their "push". I like Flash for online movies, but not for static info or ads. No more Trash with Flash. Betty * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
Microsoft vs Apple. In order to asertain whether a participant in this forums opinion is tainted by the money motive. I would like to see a disclaimer from anyone commenting on how good or bad apple or Microsoft are or are not, Let us know whether you own Apple or Microsoft stock or a fund that has MS or Apple stock. I think that this would be appropriate. I do not own either Microsoft or Apple stock. Rich * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds
By definition a T1 is only 1.5. If it was more, it wouldn't be a T1. Mike On 10/23/07, Jay Montero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am curious why in this day & age T1 lines max out at 1.5Mbps while DSL > and cable speeds are many times faster. > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I HATE FLASH!! And I love Flash.
Tell them. They probably don't know how awful and offensive their site is. Suggest they fire their webmonkey too or waterboard him/her to extract promises of "no Flash". ;-) Remind them that they're losing business. You are one of many customers who leave, but you may be the only one who tells them so. Tell them. Now. Then ask for a good discount. Honda rarely gives discounts, but this could make money for them if they fix their site. Demand a big discount!! I couldn't agree with you more. Here is the worst offender I have had the misfortune to use: http://www.saccuccihonda.com/ Their home page consists of nothing but several Flash animations. I tried opening up all the flash animations and finally gave up after it took so long to download each one. It is a well known Honda dealership and I never could find the extended warranty department until I Googled for a direct link. It has gotten to the point that when a Flash shows up as the first page of a browser without an option to bypass it, I just find another source for my information. Richard P. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Standards & Flash
>As much as you might not like to admit it, when an OS generates 92% of the >traffic on a website, that's a standard. 91% of that is Windows versions Using your own logic, if YouTube uses Flash, then Flash it is. The thing with Flash is that it is as close to universal as anything is ever going to be. A lot more universal than WMV. A lot more reliable too. >Yes, pro video people use wmv9 all the time these days for many purposes. I >*am* one so I can talk. A pro would be more likely to use H.264/MPEG4. WMV9 is MS's latest "me too" version of digital video. In true MS fashion WMV9 comes in a variety of flavors some of which are incompatable. Its DRMed version doesn't even work on the Zune. >Flash _video_ is *not* older than .wmv, nor even >wmv9 which is when I started using it (and is all I'm talking about). >BTW wmv9 video has been approved as a standard by SMPTE (they call it VC-1). One of several similar standards. Getting standardized does not mean that it is good, just that it has been codified. All the current standards are related to MPEG4 and MEPG4 is just Apple QuickTime standardized. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Standards & Flash
> As much as you might not like to admit it, when an OS generates 92% of the > traffic on a website, that's a standard. 91% of that is Windows versions > that can play .wmv9 with no trouble. [stats pulled from my own community > website just now] Perhaps you don't understand what STANDARDS are. It doesn't matter whether Windows has 51% or 92% of the traffic. Standards are for the rest of us who choose not to use Windows for many reasons, not just for Windows users. Broken web sites lose visitors and money when they aren't designed for everybody. Smart web designers don't use bad and/or broken code. Your community web site is not a good measure of users anyway. Many of us have to hide our browser/platform ID in order to get into web sites. The stat says Windows, but the visitors are using something else. The statistical sample is too small to be significant, too. Funny, the stats from my site show less than 50% using Windows. That's as significant as your stats. **The Internet and World Wide Web are designed to be platform and browser independent. Wise web developers create sites for _everybody_, not only for Windows users** Yes, pro video people use wmv9 all the time these days for many purposes. I *am* one so I can talk. Flash _video_ is *not* older than .wmv, nor even wmv9 which is when I started using it (and is all I'm talking about). As I recall, video only became possible with Flash 6, but to date there are no easy/free converters or players (I believe Adobe is getting set to release a free player RSN). I did Director videos long before WMV was a belch in Bill Gates' throat. No. Professionals who do video advertising for TV and who create theatrical movies do not use WMV. They'd be laughed out of the studio for suggesting it, unless they work at MSN. Betty * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] Mac OS UG's
Mac 10.5.0 arrives next week. someone is selling it for $106. when they fix it 6 months from now with 10.5.1, what will be the charge,another $106, or 170?? or historically when mac went from 10.4.0 to.1.2.3.4, ect, what did they charge? I sort of recall MS sending out the UG's which they called section 8's or some such, and did not charge. from what I read on the mac/apple BB's, the anals are all confident that 10.5 will not run right, but they got to have it. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
>Let us know whether you own Apple or Microsoft >stock or a fund that has MS or Apple stock. I have a fund that holds Microsoft stock, no Apple. This clearly influences my view of reality. I guess I should not go so easy on MS. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: Let us know whether you own Apple or Microsoft stock or a fund that has MS or Apple stock. I have a fund that holds Microsoft stock, no Apple. This clearly influences my view of reality. I guess I should not go so easy on MS. I own a few shares of Disney, so the next time I refer to an operating system as "a Mickey Mouse OS", take it with a grain of salt. ;-) -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] Need new, easy, reliable, portable, simple, secure, lasting email application!
Help!!! Email (Outlook Express) is driving me crazy!! Works, stops working, works a few days, now not working. Repeated calls to Comcast (my current ISP, though not for long!) are massive wastes of time. Time for a change, I think. So, is Gmail a good alternative? Safe? Reliable? Will actually be around? Emails will not be automatically or inadvertently deleted after some time or size limit? Or deleted after not using for some period as Yahoo does? If not Gmail, any other recommendations for getting email up quickly, easily, without endless options, settings, decisions or other issues? Must be able to import address book from OE and want email that will work if (no, make that when) I switch from Comcast, probably to Verizon DSL or RCN. BTW, tried Outlook and running into same problems. I have to switch from Comcast before I end up doing what that woman did at the Comcast center in Viriginia, with a hammer! :) * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
I can't help but say that the worst thing about Macs/OSX is the Dock. Great operating system otherwise but whenever I am using OS X and multi-tasking between programs, web pages, files etc, I am spending a LOT of time struggling with the various windows... trying to find one I had open before, trying to get others I have, open out of the way etc. I know the various techniques & shortcuts that OSX gives you to deal with these issues but they are clumsy and laborious compared to Windows Taskbar where all can be seen at a glance and accessed with one click or keystroke. db Vicky Staubly wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: Let us know whether you own Apple or Microsoft stock or a fund that has MS or Apple stock. I have a fund that holds Microsoft stock, no Apple. This clearly influences my view of reality. I guess I should not go so easy on MS. I own a few shares of Disney, so the next time I refer to an operating system as "a Mickey Mouse OS", take it with a grain of salt. ;-) -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I HATE FLASH!! And I love Flash.
At 12:55 PM 10/23/2007 -0400, Richard P. wrote I couldn't agree with you more. Here is the worst offender I have had the misfortune to use: http://www.saccuccihonda.com/ Their home page consists of nothing but several Flash animations. I tried opening up all the flash animations and finally gave up after it took so long to download each one. It is a well known Honda dealership and I never could find the extended warranty department until I Googled for a direct link. It has gotten to the point that when a Flash shows up as the first page of a browser without an option to bypass it, I just find another source for my information. Richard P. Amen to that! I do the same if there's any other options. Try telling some of these webmasters that! I've suffered through some pages like that, in order to find a contact address. The 'sales' dept is always a good bet! Sue * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Need new, easy, reliable, portable, simple, secure, lasting email application!
For Windows I don't think you can beat Pegasus. http://community.pmail.com/ On Oct 23, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Randall Bosin wrote: Help!!! Email (Outlook Express) is driving me crazy!! Works, stops working, works a few days, now not working. Repeated calls to Comcast (my current ISP, though not for long!) are massive wastes of time. Time for a change, I think. So, is Gmail a good alternative? Safe? Reliable? Will actually be around? Emails will not be automatically or inadvertently deleted after some time or size limit? Or deleted after not using for some period as Yahoo does? If not Gmail, any other recommendations for getting email up quickly, easily, without endless options, settings, decisions or other issues? Must be able to import address book from OE and want email that will work if (no, make that when) I switch from Comcast, probably to Verizon DSL or RCN. BTW, tried Outlook and running into same problems. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I HATE FLASH!! And I love Flash.
>I like Flash for online movies, but not for static info or ads. No more >Trash with Flash. Flash often enhances more than it detracts. My reaction to the Flash you are not seeing is often "Oh, cool." * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
I hear that complaint more then any other from mac usersI hate the dock. Funny thing is, I use a third party program to get a 'dock' on windows. I hate the windows taskbar. Mike On 10/23/07, db <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can't help but say that the worst thing about Macs/OSX is the Dock. > > Great operating system otherwise but whenever I am using OS X and > multi-tasking between programs, web pages, files etc, I am spending a > LOT of time struggling with the various windows... trying to find one I > had open before, trying to get others I have, open out of the way etc. > > I know the various techniques & shortcuts that OSX gives you to deal > with these issues but they are clumsy and laborious compared to Windows > Taskbar where all can be seen at a glance and accessed with one click or > keystroke. > > db > > Vicky Staubly wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >>> Let us know whether you own Apple or Microsoft > >>> stock or a fund that has MS or Apple stock. > >> > >> I have a fund that holds Microsoft stock, no Apple. This clearly > >> influences my view of reality. I guess I should not go so easy on MS. > > > > I own a few shares of Disney, so the next time I refer to an operating > > system as "a Mickey Mouse OS", take it with a grain of salt. ;-) > > > > -- > > Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L > > YourNewAddress > > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > > * RSS at > > www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > > > > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I HATE FLASH!! And I love Flash.
At 10:42 AM 10/23/2007 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote >Flash is OK for YouTube. It's wonderful for ads, since I use Flashblock. >Now I'm not distracted with flashing and blinking ads. That raises an entirely different issue. If you take the content is it okay for you to block the ads? If you don't like the ads maybe you should go somewhere else for your content? I pay good money every year for access (for instance) to the NYTimes special features. I don't think I should have to look at and load ads on a site that I'm already paying for. I do block ads, but I can't block the Java content on their site that takes forever to load (and really p* me off). I have the software to solve the puzzles--I don't need to have their stooopid Java on the site. Many of our (members) requests to put up a simple link falls on deaf ears. Sue * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
I'm very happy using Exposé gestures to view all windows or application windows or desktop, and Command h or alt command h to clear up clutter. And just clicking on an app in the dock to bring it forward is easy enough. But I admit I no longer know or have a need to know any such tricks for Windows. I tinker with Windows machines, but not enough to know tricks. db wrote: I can't help but say that the worst thing about Macs/OSX is the Dock. Great operating system otherwise but whenever I am using OS X and multi-tasking between programs, web pages, files etc, I am spending a LOT of time struggling with the various windows... trying to find one I had open before, trying to get others I have, open out of the way etc. I know the various techniques & shortcuts that OSX gives you to deal with these issues but they are clumsy and laborious compared to Windows Taskbar where all can be seen at a glance and accessed with one click or keystroke. db * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
>I'm very happy using Exposé gestures to view all windows or application >windows or desktop, and Command h or alt command h to clear up clutter. >And just clicking on an app in the dock to bring it forward is easy enough. You can also option-click or right-click on Dock icons to hide and show appliation windows. Windows does this a little better than OS X, but only a little better. You just have to learn different habits. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Mac OS UG's
>Mac 10.5.0 arrives next week. someone is selling it for $106. when they >fix it 6 months from now with 10.5.1, what will be the charge,another >$106, or 170?? Patches are free. You will not be charged again intil X.6, which probably won't be for 18 to 24 months. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
For me the principal design strangeness is that the Dock shows you at a glance the apps you are running but not necessarily multiple windows/ docs that you might have open. You have to dig deeper for that If the same arrangement was in your car, in looking at your car's dashboard, you would open a door to see the instruments and another door to see what the speed is, and another for the tachometer etc. ? db Jordan wrote: I'm very happy using Exposé gestures to view all windows or application windows or desktop, and Command h or alt command h to clear up clutter. And just clicking on an app in the dock to bring it forward is easy enough. But I admit I no longer know or have a need to know any such tricks for Windows. I tinker with Windows machines, but not enough to know tricks. db wrote: I can't help but say that the worst thing about Macs/OSX is the Dock. Great operating system otherwise but whenever I am using OS X and multi-tasking between programs, web pages, files etc, I am spending a LOT of time struggling with the various windows... trying to find one I had open before, trying to get others I have, open out of the way etc. I know the various techniques & shortcuts that OSX gives you to deal with these issues but they are clumsy and laborious compared to Windows Taskbar where all can be seen at a glance and accessed with one click or keystroke. db * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Need new, easy, reliable, portable, simple, secure, lasting email application!
Okay, thanks Can email and addresses from Outlook Express (or Outlook) be easily exported to it? Any compatibility problems with certain ISPs, browsers or other applications? Did briefly check it out and apparently is some limitation in replying to emails with attachments if you wish to add commentary, or at least as of Feb. 07. If true, seems like a red flag, because don't know why you shouldn't be able to do this, so makes me wonder what else you might not be able to do or as readily as in OE. Just really, really, really want to avoid recurrent email problems. BTW, Comcast desktop doctor was worthless in solving email problems, as have been about 7 Comcast tech support persons over the past several months, just in case anyone is contemplating switching to them. Thanks Randall -- Original message -- From: Matthew Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For Windows I don't think you can beat Pegasus. > > http://community.pmail.com/ > > On Oct 23, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Randall Bosin wrote: > > > Help!!! Email (Outlook Express) is driving me crazy!! Works, stops > > working, works a few days, now not working. Repeated calls to > > Comcast (my > > current ISP, though not for long!) are massive wastes of time. Time > > for a change, I think. So, is Gmail a good alternative? Safe? > > Reliable? Will actually be around? Emails will not be > > automatically or > > inadvertently deleted after some time or size limit? Or deleted > > after not > > using for some period as Yahoo does? If not Gmail, any other > > recommendations for getting email up quickly, easily, without > > endless options, > > settings, decisions or other issues? Must be able to import > > address book > > from OE and want email that will work if (no, make that when) I > > switch > > from Comcast, probably to Verizon DSL or RCN. BTW, tried Outlook and > > running into same problems. > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Need new, easy, reliable, portable, simple, secure, lasting email application!
My recollection is that it can indeed import from OE or Outlook. You *might* have to export to standard address format, then import - I never really used OE or Outlook before I went Mac. I used it for 10+ years or so without any problems. Don't know what you mean wrt replies. One thing I always liked about Pegasus was that you could have seriously nested replies with multiple attachments, and on the receiving end you could see each of the attachments in a file tree without having to open them. Matthew On Oct 23, 2007, at 9:27 PM, Randall Bosin wrote: Okay, thanks Can email and addresses from Outlook Express (or Outlook) be easily exported to it? Any compatibility problems with certain ISPs, browsers or other applications? Did briefly check it out and apparently is some limitation in replying to emails with attachments if you wish to add commentary, or at least as of Feb. 07. If true, seems like a red flag, because don't know why you shouldn't be able to do this, so makes me wonder what else you might not be able to do or as readily as in OE. Just really, really, really want to avoid recurrent email problems. BTW, Comcast desktop doctor was worthless in solving email problems, as have been about 7 Comcast tech support persons over the past several months, just in case anyone is contemplating switching to them. Thanks Randall * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
