Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
But I bet that no one deigns to think of you as brain-dead just because you are embracing this less than cutting edge technology. Too bad that your mother never taught you the value of taking the high road. You should try it sometime. Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Draw a parallel to my DVR. I really love my DVR. I can't imagine watching TV any other way. My DVR works fine -- probably has years of life in it. I have a lifetime subscription to the programming service. Yet my DVR only knows the NTSC standard and NTSC is going away in 14 months. So I am unhappy about progress too. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
Tom Piwowar >>Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a >>browser... something that should be transparently >>invisible. > It is not just about you, it is about the community. > Using IE 6 is like borrowing a friend's car that had a > big red inspection sticker on it that says "rejected" > and your friend says it was "something" about the brakes. Using standards lets people with some disabilities use some websites. Using all kinds of fancy IE only features may make those sites invisible to others not so fortunate. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly People who throw kisses are hopelessly lazy * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
Tom Piwowar >>apparently these things are not selling very well. > > Last Dec when I was checking Amazon's best seller list > for the Zune I noticed that two models of USB turntable > were selling better than the Zune. So don't call it > "not selling very well." I understand that the new Zune lands pretty much in the "doesn't suck real bad" category. I've also heard of Crosley(?) mentioned on the TechGuy podcast as having a record player & tape deck with a CD burner. Evidently it does at least as well as the Ion et. al. turntables. It better, it costs like $400, it may be more automated. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly We all live in a yellow subroutine. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
While it's possible to code a site with all the excessive bells and whistles, commercial and nonprofit sites ultimately need to develop their pages to attract customers/clients, not the script-kiddies putting the sites together. It's not necessary to have lots of scripts and Flash to create an attractive a site, especially when basic HTML with a few simple extras will sell the product just as well. Techno-porn doesn't appeal to people who just want to get some information or to buy something. It belongs on game and video sites. For example, I want to buy a new AA/AAA battery charger. I had to wait and wait for each animated page to load at 4 different corporate sites, and didn't find the specs I wanted, before I finally gave up and called the toll-free numbers that the web sites are supposed to replace. Then I found out that the specs weren't on the main site but on a related parent company site. What a waste of my time--and theirs. Bad design, poor planning don't make a flashy site any better or more useful. Of course the technology advances, and some users are left behind. However since alternate simplified sites have been developed for cell phones, then non-flash, minimally scripted, minimally animated sites can be provided in the same way. Or the B&B will just have to wait for their prospective guests to upgrade their computers, or to go elsewhere with a more accessible site. Too bad about the food bank, though. Betty I think Tom's point was that technology leaves the old stuff behind, eventually. For example, not many computers from the 1980's would be of much use today, if one wanted to use that computer to connect to the internet. Many web sites will also become unreadable by the oldest browsers, too. Not a question of fairness, but one of standards and capabilities. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Far be it from me to disagree with our Fearless Leader, but the Internet doesn't just belong to us and to other nerds, wonks, and graphics specialists. It also belongs to the grandmother in Des Moines who's keeping up with her grandchildren's school via their website and who maintains the church's Food Bank webpage, because there's nobody else to do it. It belongs to the young couple in rural Virginia who are just getting their bed-and-breakfast off the ground and who have put together their new website from a template, with the help of their brother-in-law in Nevada. Or the ten-year-old kid in an inner city school who has just gotten access to a computer--a used laptop--for the FIRST time, and is trying to find his way around, to get material from the Net for a class assignment. He has to figure out how to use the Internet really fast, because in half an hour, he has to pass the laptop on to the next kid. Such people don't have huge amounts of time--and probably don't have the knowledge--to mess around with tekkie things like downloading a new browser and spending hours delicately adjusting it so that it actually works. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
Upgrade to Vista! (Yes, that was a joke...) Firefox is showing that the slow and steady might not win the race, but it makes for a good place. That pays out too at the track. I'm giving away 6 year old computers to staff (the first batch I bought at my .org -- :::sigh::: -- that's another way to get rid of old computers and monitors), which run Windows 2000, relegating them to the IE 6 ghetto, but I make sure that they all have Firefox installed on them. OpenOffice too. > -Original Message- > >However, please, please, please don't use IE 6. Broken piece of cr*p. > > Well okay. I can agree with that, but how come it has the most users? > How > can we make them stop? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
>Is your dvr the tuner also? Alas, yes. It is a Replay. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
That's one advantage of the DIY HTPC I'm building: you can always swap out the tuner card for another. I have an ATI 550 on the way from eBay, which will complete the parts I need. The rest are from my recent upgrade to my main PC (which now sports a dual-core Athlon 5200, 2 GB of RAM and a 36 GB WD 10K RPM Raptor for the system drive--smokin!). > -Original Message- > Draw a parallel to my DVR. I really love my DVR. I can't imagine > watching > TV any other way. My DVR works fine -- probably has years of life in > it. > I have a lifetime subscription to the programming service. Yet my DVR > only knows the NTSC standard and NTSC is going away in 14 months. So I > am > unhappy about progress too. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
Is your dvr the tuner also? Mike On Dec 3, 2007 4:17 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I think Tom's point was that technology leaves the old stuff behind, > >eventually. For example, not many computers from the 1980's would be of > >much use today, if one wanted to use that computer to connect to the > >internet. Many web sites will also become unreadable by the oldest > >browsers, too. Not a question of fairness, but one of standards and > >capabilities. > > Draw a parallel to my DVR. I really love my DVR. I can't imagine watching > TV any other way. My DVR works fine -- probably has years of life in it. > I have a lifetime subscription to the programming service. Yet my DVR > only knows the NTSC standard and NTSC is going away in 14 months. So I am > unhappy about progress too. > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
Same reason most mac users use safari. It comes preinstalled. Mike On Dec 3, 2007 4:20 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >However, please, please, please don't use IE 6. Broken piece of cr*p. > > Well okay. I can agree with that, but how come it has the most users? How > can we make them stop? > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
Get opera9.5b ...gud ...www.opera.com -Original Message- From: db [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: Re: MS IE 7 Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a browser... something that should be transparently invisible. When I borrow a friends car, do I have to go on an "easter egg hunt" to find the turn signal, brake, gas pedal,, steering wheel, or dashboard so I can pop down to the store to buy some groceries? Glad to hear IE7 is more standards compliant, but it seems to be a EVER so typical MS product. Pretty much cut from the same cloth as the technically improved (fixed past mistakes) but EVER so much a poorly designed and unnecessary pain in the butt as VISTA. With it's upgrades, MS seems to just fix one set of problems, only to replace them with another set. db Tom Piwowar wrote: >> Microsoft is pushing its Internet Explorer 7 pretty hard and through >> touting free phone tech support for the change seems to be implying that >> the transition from 6 to 7 might not be transparent. >> > > The reason is under the hood. The main reason to upgrade to IE7 is > that > IE6 was seriously defective in terms of W3C standards compliance, > especially when it came to CSS. There were 100s of things wrong and web > developers had to use a long list of hacks to work around the bugs. The > hacks had become so standard that they even had names (like the Holly > Hack or Peekaboo Bug -- google on those to get an idea of what I'm > describing). Web developers were thrilled by IE7 because it was much > more, but not completely, standards compliant. With IE 7 building a web > page is much less like walking through a minefield. With IE 7 developers > can start seriously using CSS and focus less on hacks and more on > developing better websites. > > But the community can't move forward if brain-dead Windows users > continue > to cling to defective old IE 6. > > Looking at stats, about a third of IE users quickly switched. The > remaining IE 6 users did not. Currently the adoption rate is very slow. > This is possibly because IE 7 is being associated with that dog of an OS, > Vista. I think this is unfair because it looks to me like the group > developing IE 7 is atypical for MS and really knows what it is doing. IE > 7 works much better than IE 6. > > IE 7 has many security improvements over IE 6. I suspect many of the > complaints about IE 7 are because it no longer does many stupid things > that IE 6 did. From a security standpoint, I consider using IE 6 simply > foolish. > > The user interface is a bit stark, but everything you need is there. > It > just takes some getting used to. > > All this said, I use FireFox most of the time. I find it more > standards > compliant, more secure, and all around better. > > > ** > ** > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the L
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
I am using a little device that connects a regular turntable to a computer. I have the turntable (a pretty good Denon model) hooked into a small box that provides the proper equalization curve for LPs and then feeds it via usb to an old computer I no longer use for anything else. I'm slowly converting all of my LPs to cd and mp3 via this process. I think this solution much better than a dedicated turntable. Of course, I don't listen to my LPs anymore, which makes using my only turntable for this process possible. Since I'm not at home now, I can't provide the details for the little box, but if you want them, just e-mail me. Jeff >> -Original Message- >> I'm looking to dub off some albums to CD and wanted to get >> recommendations for the best way to do this. I've heard of USB >> turntable, USB turntable/cassette combo, and USB converter. I would >> appreciate any thoughts and or recommendations. > > >*** * >* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== >* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== >* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name >* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST >* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L >* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress >* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >*** * >* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ >* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml >* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived >*** * * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
>However, please, please, please don't use IE 6. Broken piece of cr*p. Well okay. I can agree with that, but how come it has the most users? How can we make them stop? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
>I think Tom's point was that technology leaves the old stuff behind, >eventually. For example, not many computers from the 1980's would be of >much use today, if one wanted to use that computer to connect to the >internet. Many web sites will also become unreadable by the oldest >browsers, too. Not a question of fairness, but one of standards and >capabilities. Draw a parallel to my DVR. I really love my DVR. I can't imagine watching TV any other way. My DVR works fine -- probably has years of life in it. I have a lifetime subscription to the programming service. Yet my DVR only knows the NTSC standard and NTSC is going away in 14 months. So I am unhappy about progress too. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
I don't use it other than to download MS updates... I use firefox but am greatly annoyed every time I have to use it on some else computer and can't easily find the controls for what I want to do in their minimized to nothingness interface ... db Tom Piwowar wrote: Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a browser... something that should be transparently invisible. When I borrow a friends car, do I have to go on an "easter egg hunt" to find the turn signal, brake, gas pedal,, steering wheel, or dashboard so I can pop down to the store to buy some groceries? It is not just about you, it is about the community. Using IE 6 is like borrowing a friend's car that had a big red inspection sticker on it that says "rejected" and your friend says it was "something" about the brakes. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] USB Turntable?
We have an old turntable and amp connected to an old PowerMac 7600 via RCA cables--sometimes it's plugged into a G4/. You can do the same with a new computer using a Griffin iMic and RCA to mini adapter, or use the audio input jack on a sound card. No need to buy a new turntable if you already have one. I think the Roxio Record Now software can split the tracks after recording. Roxio Toast CD Spin Doctor or Amadeus works on a Mac. Betty I'm looking to dub off some albums to CD and wanted to get recommendations for the best way to do this. I've heard of USB turntable, USB turntable/cassette combo, and USB converter. I would appreciate any thoughts and or recommendations. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] wo questions about Macbook Pro -- card reader & backup
On Dec 1, 2007, at 12:00 AM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: Two questions about Macbook Pro -- card reader & backup Second question: She got the Macbook Pro last September. Would getting an external USB or IEEE 1394 hard drive be beneficial for backup (i.e., would the Mac OS automatically back up like I've heard when an external hard drive is connected? (There is a name for this, but I can't think of it.) I got my daughter a pocket sized bus powered firewire and the shareware backup program SuperDuper. After the first backup the incremental backups take less than 15 minutes - often much less. And she will have an identical drive that she can boot any intel mac from and have it be indistinguishable from her original. I think that this is better than Time Machine (Which I have never used.), but if you get a drive that's twice as big as the laptop's you could do both. Your daughter must have upgraded to Leopard on the mac to get Time Machine. A few of the reviewers of Leopard have said how cool Time Machine is, but that they would still rely on SuperDuper for backups. David Newhall Falls Church,VA * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Programmer's Test Editor for Windows?
I've used SciTE with good results on large text files. http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html > -Original Message- > On Windows I have been using PSPad -- a full-featured programmer's text > editor. I especially need GREP for search/replace and to extract lines > that meet a certain pattern. I'm doing things like log analysis. My > problem is that I'm working with some very large files (150 MB). PSPad > gets unusably slow. > > On the Mac I'm using either BBEdit or TextWrangler. These programs have > no problems with the large files, but it is a pain to be constantly > transferring files between machines. > > So, does anyone know of a good text editor for Windows that does not > bog down with large files? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
On Dec 3, 2007 3:44 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a browser... something > >that should be transparently invisible. > > It is not just about you, it is about the community. Using IE 6 is like > borrowing a friend's car that had a big red inspection sticker on it that > says "rejected" and your friend says it was "something" about the brakes. > Let me put it this way. The consensus is that no one should care about IE 7 - use it or not, up to you. However, please, please, please don't use IE 6. Broken piece of cr*p. The real issue is getting rid of any IE 6 use. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
One of them was #343 in electronics. Considering the boggling number of electronics offered, and the relative niche target of these products, that isn't too shabby. > -Original Message- > >apparently these things are not selling very well. > > Last Dec when I was checking Amazon's best seller list for the Zune I > noticed that two models of USB turntable were selling better than the > Zune. So don't call it "not selling very well." * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Programmer's Test Editor for Windows?
TSE -- The Semware Editor. http://www.semware.com/ Moderately priced. Sammy Mitchell, the one man show who is keeping it going, isn't getting rich on it. Stupendous support. Free and fast and good. Join their e-mail discussion list and someone will answer your question or write your macro for you in a jiffy. Speed is excellent if you can keep everything in memory, or have a flash drive for your swap file. There is a test drive version. I have been a happy user for many years, since perhaps 1990 or so. No financial interest, but a real interest in seeing it not go under. Very capable macro language. Fred Holmes At 03:02 PM 12/3/2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: >On Windows I have been using PSPad -- a full-featured programmer's text >editor. I especially need GREP for search/replace and to extract lines >that meet a certain pattern. I'm doing things like log analysis. My >problem is that I'm working with some very large files (150 MB). PSPad >gets unusably slow. > >On the Mac I'm using either BBEdit or TextWrangler. These programs have >no problems with the large files, but it is a pain to be constantly >transferring files between machines. > >So, does anyone know of a good text editor for Windows that does not bog >down with large files? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
Quotes: >Such people don't have huge amounts of time--and probably don't have the >knowledge--to mess around with tekkie things like downloading a new >browser and spending hours delicately adjusting it so that it actually >works. I leave it you to explain to the "young couple in rural Virginia who are just getting their bed-and-breakfast off the ground" why some people can't view their beautiful, 100%-correctly-coded web page and how they have to code a Holly Hack to fix it. Do it quick because their B&B web site is failing to attract the business they need. My point is: it's not fair--to say the least--to expect everybody else to keep accommodating to crappy work by Microsoft. Other than that, I don't owe any explanation to anybody on why Microsoft products don't work. Presumably, the author of the template for the hypothetical small business's website has done all the requisite hacks already so that their website will work with the more common forms of IE. Templates may be déclassé, but that's what a small business like a Bed & Breakfast would typically use, and some of them are quite good, cheap or free, and relatively user-friendly. I'd advise the young couple to keep updating their website templates--that's about all they can do (and probably all they can afford). For the rest of us, use Firefox or any of the other relatively decent browsers out there, and tell your friends to do the same. And for Microsoft: the mills of God grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine. --Constance Warner *** * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
I think that just tells you about zuny sales, and their very special operating system. maybe 12 yo's are smarter than we give them credit for. At 03:40 PM 12/3/2007, you wrote: >>apparently these things are not selling very well. > >Last Dec when I was checking Amazon's best seller list for the Zune I >noticed that two models of USB turntable were selling better than the >Zune. So don't call it "not selling very well." > > > >* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== >* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== >* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name >* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST >* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L >* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress >* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ >* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml >* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
>Such people don't have huge amounts of time--and probably don't have the >knowledge--to mess around with tekkie things like downloading a new >browser and spending hours delicately adjusting it so that it actually >works. I leave it you to explain to the "young couple in rural Virginia who are just getting their bed-and-breakfast off the ground" why some people can't view their beautiful, 100%-correctly-coded web page and how they have to code a Holly Hack to fix it. Do it quick because their B&B web site is failing to attract the business they need. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
>Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a browser... something >that should be transparently invisible. > >When I borrow a friends car, do I have to go on an "easter egg hunt" to >find the turn signal, brake, gas pedal,, steering wheel, or dashboard so >I can pop down to the store to buy some groceries? It is not just about you, it is about the community. Using IE 6 is like borrowing a friend's car that had a big red inspection sticker on it that says "rejected" and your friend says it was "something" about the brakes. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
Which to my eye is the strongest argument that fundamental components of the internet comply to standards so that everyone who complies with that standard can just get on with their business. On Dec 3, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Constance Warner wrote: ...the Internet doesn't just belong to us and to other nerds, wonks, and graphics specialists. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Blue tooth radiation?
>Anectdotaly, the fellows who manned the pirate radio stations in England >were known to have their hair fall out. That was MI5 using some of the left over powder the CIA had made for Castro. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
I think Tom's point was that technology leaves the old stuff behind, eventually. For example, not many computers from the 1980's would be of much use today, if one wanted to use that computer to connect to the internet. Many web sites will also become unreadable by the oldest browsers, too. Not a question of fairness, but one of standards and capabilities. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Far be it from me to disagree with our Fearless Leader, but the Internet doesn't just belong to us and to other nerds, wonks, and graphics specialists. It also belongs to the grandmother in Des Moines who's keeping up with her grandchildren's school via their website and who maintains the church's Food Bank webpage, because there's nobody else to do it. It belongs to the young couple in rural Virginia who are just getting their bed-and-breakfast off the ground and who have put together their new website from a template, with the help of their brother-in-law in Nevada. Or the ten-year-old kid in an inner city school who has just gotten access to a computer--a used laptop--for the FIRST time, and is trying to find his way around, to get material from the Net for a class assignment. He has to figure out how to use the Internet really fast, because in half an hour, he has to pass the laptop on to the next kid. Such people don't have huge amounts of time--and probably don't have the knowledge--to mess around with tekkie things like downloading a new browser and spending hours delicately adjusting it so that it actually works. They're using the Internet for basic and often essential functions, and they need their browser to work NOW. The harried parent who's looking on the school board website, trying to find out if school is cancelled today because of snow, JUST CAN'T stop and download a new browser, customize it, work out the bugs, etc. before she/he decides whether or not to bundle Junior or Sis off to the schoolbus stop in fifteen minutes. So they'll continue to use earlier browsers, even if IE 7 is better or more standards-compliant than previous releases (which, judging from complaints I've heard from web design people, shouldn't be hard). * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
>apparently these things are not selling very well. Last Dec when I was checking Amazon's best seller list for the Zune I noticed that two models of USB turntable were selling better than the Zune. So don't call it "not selling very well." * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
"But if you are part of the internetwork you are part of a community. If IE users won't upgrade it makes it impossible for the rest of us to advance. "The alternative is to throw the brain dead overboard: no Internet for you. It might come to that." Far be it from me to disagree with our Fearless Leader, but the Internet doesn't just belong to us and to other nerds, wonks, and graphics specialists. It also belongs to the grandmother in Des Moines who's keeping up with her grandchildren's school via their website and who maintains the church's Food Bank webpage, because there's nobody else to do it. It belongs to the young couple in rural Virginia who are just getting their bed-and-breakfast off the ground and who have put together their new website from a template, with the help of their brother-in-law in Nevada. Or the ten-year-old kid in an inner city school who has just gotten access to a computer--a used laptop--for the FIRST time, and is trying to find his way around, to get material from the Net for a class assignment. He has to figure out how to use the Internet really fast, because in half an hour, he has to pass the laptop on to the next kid. Such people don't have huge amounts of time--and probably don't have the knowledge--to mess around with tekkie things like downloading a new browser and spending hours delicately adjusting it so that it actually works. They're using the Internet for basic and often essential functions, and they need their browser to work NOW. The harried parent who's looking on the school board website, trying to find out if school is cancelled today because of snow, JUST CAN'T stop and download a new browser, customize it, work out the bugs, etc. before she/he decides whether or not to bundle Junior or Sis off to the schoolbus stop in fifteen minutes. So they'll continue to use earlier browsers, even if IE 7 is better or more standards-compliant than previous releases (which, judging from complaints I've heard from web design people, shouldn't be hard). --Constance Warner * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] Programmer's Test Editor for Windows?
On Windows I have been using PSPad -- a full-featured programmer's text editor. I especially need GREP for search/replace and to extract lines that meet a certain pattern. I'm doing things like log analysis. My problem is that I'm working with some very large files (150 MB). PSPad gets unusably slow. On the Mac I'm using either BBEdit or TextWrangler. These programs have no problems with the large files, but it is a pain to be constantly transferring files between machines. So, does anyone know of a good text editor for Windows that does not bog down with large files? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
At 01:05 PM 12/3/2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: >The alternative is to throw the brain dead overboard: no Internet for >you. It might come to that. Gee, I might get a life back. Fred Holmes * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a browser... something that should be transparently invisible. When I borrow a friends car, do I have to go on an "easter egg hunt" to find the turn signal, brake, gas pedal,, steering wheel, or dashboard so I can pop down to the store to buy some groceries? Glad to hear IE7 is more standards compliant, but it seems to be a EVER so typical MS product. Pretty much cut from the same cloth as the technically improved (fixed past mistakes) but EVER so much a poorly designed and unnecessary pain in the butt as VISTA. With it's upgrades, MS seems to just fix one set of problems, only to replace them with another set. db Tom Piwowar wrote: Microsoft is pushing its Internet Explorer 7 pretty hard and through touting free phone tech support for the change seems to be implying that the transition from 6 to 7 might not be transparent. The reason is under the hood. The main reason to upgrade to IE7 is that IE6 was seriously defective in terms of W3C standards compliance, especially when it came to CSS. There were 100s of things wrong and web developers had to use a long list of hacks to work around the bugs. The hacks had become so standard that they even had names (like the Holly Hack or Peekaboo Bug -- google on those to get an idea of what I'm describing). Web developers were thrilled by IE7 because it was much more, but not completely, standards compliant. With IE 7 building a web page is much less like walking through a minefield. With IE 7 developers can start seriously using CSS and focus less on hacks and more on developing better websites. But the community can't move forward if brain-dead Windows users continue to cling to defective old IE 6. Looking at stats, about a third of IE users quickly switched. The remaining IE 6 users did not. Currently the adoption rate is very slow. This is possibly because IE 7 is being associated with that dog of an OS, Vista. I think this is unfair because it looks to me like the group developing IE 7 is atypical for MS and really knows what it is doing. IE 7 works much better than IE 6. IE 7 has many security improvements over IE 6. I suspect many of the complaints about IE 7 are because it no longer does many stupid things that IE 6 did. From a security standpoint, I consider using IE 6 simply foolish. The user interface is a bit stark, but everything you need is there. It just takes some getting used to. All this said, I use FireFox most of the time. I find it more standards compliant, more secure, and all around better. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Blue tooth radiation?
IIRC, the em wave has a spherical wave front but that is the surface of a sphere not the volume, so the square law applies. If it did fall off at a cubic rate there would might be more cause concern because you the wave energy at the transmitter would be much more intense to reach the target antenna. As to Tom's question, the relationship between tranmission sources and radio waves is suspicious and being studied, but I don't know the signifigance of that. Anectdotaly, the fellows who manned the pirate radio stations in England were known to have their hair fall out. Also IIRC (perhaps not so germanely) the connection high voltage cancer is pretty established. Devra Davis author of the work in question is director of UoPitt's center for Environmental Oncology. Also, when NPR (specifically, Fresh Air in this case, interviews cranks they do tend to challenge some of their assertions, this was not that sort of interview and if I had to put money on whether it was Tom or Devra Davis who was talking out of their depth, well...) gerald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: the part that is 2-3mm from your ear is a speaker. the radiation devise is housed elsewhere in the box. you are attempting to determine the distance of the mechanical device, which has nothing to do with electric radiation. I would presume the electronic portion of the blutooth device is much closer, as the whole thing is only a couple inches long. the electronic transmitter in my folding cell phone is in the bottom portion of my cell phone, and at least 4" from my ear. presuming the device transmits non directionally in 3 dimensions, would not the signal reduce by the cube of the distance? if it were to transmit directionally, the square root estimate may not work. most people in my neighbor hood hold the phone about 2' away, directly in front of themselves while driving down I95. this is to transmit and view images of the telephone talkers. At 08:13 AM 12/2/2007, you wrote: >Are bluetooth headphones actually closer than a cell phone >against the ear? If we are talking about the difference between >1/4 inch and 1/16 of an inch, equally powerful signals would >have differ by a factor 16 (ie 4 squared). >The power requirement to broadcast bluetooth 30feet compared to >a cell phone 1 feet is different by a factor of >90,000. > >Given that I would expect that the incident energy of bluetooth radiation >on your body is many times (10? 100? 1000?) less than that of a cell phone. > > >Randy wrote: I did hear her on a few show while on her book tour and noted >her concern >about the potential harm from cell phones and about the research on this to >date. > >Re. bluetooth, is it definitely the case that it gives off much less >radiation than cellphones? Even if so I wonder about the effect of >something that close to the head, closer than even cellphones are held. But >as far as the bigger picture, long-term risk, you are probably right in that >cellphone use today probably wouldn't result in cancer for many years if not >decades, though radiation damage is cumulative so who knows if there isn't >some threshold tipping point. > >Randall > > >On Dec 1, 2007 1:50 PM, Paul Meyer > wrote: > >> If anyone listened to the public health academic who wrote >> "The Secret History of the War On Cancer" some of the most >> quoted studies >> done on cell phone radiation have severe methodological >> flaws and even if they were good might been inadequate for >> assessing the brain cancer risk 20 or 30 years out (which is >> the appropriate scale for the development of brain cancer) >> One >> reason minors should not have cell phones except for >> emergency use. >> >> That said, bluetooth would seem to be a much less intense >> radiation source and if it had 10 times less of cancer risk >> than cell phones, I would not be surprised in the slightest. >> >> The same advice about avoiding cell phones for minors goes for aspartame. >> >> Randy wrote: I was in a store checking out bluetooth >> headsets for cell phone, ending up >> getting one on sale for $15. However another customer I was talking to >> about cell phones, etc. said that bluetooth headpieces deliver as much >> radiation to the head as using the cellphone directly, near your head, >> maybe >> more. Bluetooth is one thing, bluebrain is another; anyone know if this >> is >> true? If so I may well return the bluetooth and just stick to regular, >> corded headpiece, which is admittedly less convenient. I vaguely recall >> this >> coming up here before but can't locate the posts. >> >> Randall >> >> >> >> -- >> Please use new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== >> * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== >> * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name >> * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests co
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
audio technica is also a decent name. any of the usb turntable is probably adequate. they may need a better cartridge. how big a sale do you need? http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-0048373-2615160?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=usb+turntable&x=9&y=14 apparently these things are not selling very well. At 01:23 PM 12/3/2007, you wrote: >I've heard the Ion USB turntable does a good job. I'm just waiting for one >to go on sale. > >> -Original Message- >> I'm looking to dub off some albums to CD and wanted to get >> recommendations for the best way to do this. I've heard of USB >> turntable, USB turntable/cassette combo, and USB converter. I would >> appreciate any thoughts and or recommendations. > > > >* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== >* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== >* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name >* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST >* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L >* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress >* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ >* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml >* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Richard P. wrote: I'm looking to dub off some albums to CD and wanted to get recommendations for the best way to do this. I've heard of USB turntable, USB turntable/cassette combo, and USB converter. I would appreciate any thoughts and or recommendations. If you already have a turntable that is in good working order, I'd suggest obtaining a Griffin iMic for under $40.00. It will provide for equalized turntable input via your USB ports. Steve * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 1 Dec 2007 - Special issue (#2007-851)
Well, back to grasping at straws, have you tried a Registry Cleaner? Just anecdotally, as a certified non-expert, I found Registry First Aid to be helpful without doing too much, and System Mechanic to be both helpful and dangerous because it did do too much. Another thought - have you tried running the Secunia Software Inspector? http://secunia.com/software_inspector/ Maybe it will find something missing. Jeff Wright wrote: If you have the data backed up, you should be able to install 2006 to a clean system (one that never had ACT! Installed on it) and then import the data, assuming that v. 2008 didn't convert the data to a new format (table structures, attributes, etc.). Disclaimer: I don't have any experience with ACT!, but this is what I would try. Also, the few times I've needed to call MS's support, it was very good. In one instance, we discovered a bug and they refunded the $245 fee to us. Considering how Sage has left you holding the bag, I would consider another product, if possible. -Original Message- We use the premium for work groups (5+ people) and 2008 has some nice features, but 2006 works fine and I didn't see enough of a benefit to warrant a $1500 expense at the moment. I did try reinstalling 2008. I get part way through to where it asks to install SQL and then crashes * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
I would avoid 3rd-party toolbars with IE 7. IIRC, my wife had the Comcast toolbar, the Yahoo toolbar, and the Google toolbar all installed and IE7 was crashing. I don't know what you need any of these for. When I took these off, IE7 ran OK. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
I've heard the Ion USB turntable does a good job. I'm just waiting for one to go on sale. > -Original Message- > I'm looking to dub off some albums to CD and wanted to get > recommendations for the best way to do this. I've heard of USB > turntable, USB turntable/cassette combo, and USB converter. I would > appreciate any thoughts and or recommendations. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
>I was surprised to see a pair of turntables at Target last week. I >think both had USB outputs, but one had a built in CD burner. I'm surprised that the RIAA is not suing them for selling burgler tools. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
>Brain-dead users like me cling to Windows 2000 (because it works, and >because it supports the applications I use), which doesn't support IE7. The Internet changed all that. If you are still operating as a computer in isolation then we don't care if you are still running DOS. But if you are part of the internetwork you are part of a community. If IE users won't upgrade it makes it impossible for the rest of us to advance. The alternative is to throw the brain dead overboard: no Internet for you. It might come to that. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Blue tooth radiation?
the part that is 2-3mm from your ear is a speaker. the radiation devise is housed elsewhere in the box. you are attempting to determine the distance of the mechanical device, which has nothing to do with electric radiation. I would presume the electronic portion of the blutooth device is much closer, as the whole thing is only a couple inches long. the electronic transmitter in my folding cell phone is in the bottom portion of my cell phone, and at least 4" from my ear. presuming the device transmits non directionally in 3 dimensions, would not the signal reduce by the cube of the distance? if it were to transmit directionally, the square root estimate may not work. most people in my neighbor hood hold the phone about 2' away, directly in front of themselves while driving down I95. this is to transmit and view images of the telephone talkers. At 08:13 AM 12/2/2007, you wrote: >Are bluetooth headphones actually closer than a cell phone >against the ear? If we are talking about the difference between >1/4 inch and 1/16 of an inch, equally powerful signals would >have differ by a factor 16 (ie 4 squared). >The power requirement to broadcast bluetooth 30feet compared to >a cell phone 1 feet is different by a factor of >90,000. > >Given that I would expect that the incident energy of bluetooth radiation >on your body is many times (10? 100? 1000?) less than that of a cell phone. > > >Randy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I did hear her on a few show while on her >book tour and noted her concern >about the potential harm from cell phones and about the research on this to >date. > >Re. bluetooth, is it definitely the case that it gives off much less >radiation than cellphones? Even if so I wonder about the effect of >something that close to the head, closer than even cellphones are held. But >as far as the bigger picture, long-term risk, you are probably right in that >cellphone use today probably wouldn't result in cancer for many years if not >decades, though radiation damage is cumulative so who knows if there isn't >some threshold tipping point. > >Randall > > >On Dec 1, 2007 1:50 PM, Paul Meyer > wrote: > >> If anyone listened to the public health academic who wrote >> "The Secret History of the War On Cancer" some of the most >> quoted studies >> done on cell phone radiation have severe methodological >> flaws and even if they were good might been inadequate for >> assessing the brain cancer risk 20 or 30 years out (which is >> the appropriate scale for the development of brain cancer) >> One >> reason minors should not have cell phones except for >> emergency use. >> >> That said, bluetooth would seem to be a much less intense >> radiation source and if it had 10 times less of cancer risk >> than cell phones, I would not be surprised in the slightest. >> >> The same advice about avoiding cell phones for minors goes for aspartame. >> >> Randy wrote: I was in a store checking out bluetooth >> headsets for cell phone, ending up >> getting one on sale for $15. However another customer I was talking to >> about cell phones, etc. said that bluetooth headpieces deliver as much >> radiation to the head as using the cellphone directly, near your head, >> maybe >> more. Bluetooth is one thing, bluebrain is another; anyone know if this >> is >> true? If so I may well return the bluetooth and just stick to regular, >> corded headpiece, which is admittedly less convenient. I vaguely recall >> this >> coming up here before but can't locate the posts. >> >> Randall >> >> >> >> -- >> Please use new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== >> * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== >> * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name >> * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST >> * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L >> * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress >> * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ >> * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml >> * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived >> >> >> >> >> Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org >> >> >> >> * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== >> * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== >> * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name >> * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST >> * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
I was surprised to see a pair of turntables at Target last week. I think both had USB outputs, but one had a built in CD burner. These things are a LOT easier to find these days than a few years ago. http://www.google.com/products?q=usb+turntable http://www.google.com/products?q=turntable+recorder On Dec 3, 2007 12:18 PM, Richard P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm looking to dub off some albums to CD and wanted to get > recommendations for the best way to do this. I've heard of USB > turntable, USB turntable/cassette combo, and USB converter. I would > appreciate any thoughts and or recommendations. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
How much does the loading of IE7 speed up if you turn off your real-time virus scanner? At 11:50 AM 12/3/2007, Mike Sloane wrote: >IE still takes "forever" to load, but it does seem to work OK. > >Mike * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] USB Turntable?
I'm looking to dub off some albums to CD and wanted to get recommendations for the best way to do this. I've heard of USB turntable, USB turntable/cassette combo, and USB converter. I would appreciate any thoughts and or recommendations. Richard P. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
I just "bit the bullet" and installed MS IE 7 in two machines running Win XP Pro. The update took a very long time but was essentially successful. On the antique IBM Thinkpad, everything looks fine, but on my generic tower, all the wording on the Google taskbar comes up in what looks like a foreign language. I haven't been able to use Google to find out what the problem is. Since I rarely use MS IE for a browser, this isn't a "show stopper", but I was wondering if anyone else had ever encountered that kind of problem and/or found a solution for it. IE still takes "forever" to load, but it does seem to work OK. Mike Fred Holmes wrote: At 09:59 AM 12/3/2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: But the community can't move forward if brain-dead Windows users continue to cling to defective old IE 6. Brain-dead users like me cling to Windows 2000 (because it works, and because it supports the applications I use), which doesn't support IE7. So why didn't Microsoft port IE7 to Windows 2000? Then it would be easy (for me to try it). Most of Microsoft's customers are brain-dead by your (Tom Piowar's) standards. MS needs to cater to brain-dead customers. Sure, if I want to figure out the intricacies of VMWare, I can run Win2K in a virtual machine on WinXP/sp2 or Vista, and have both available, but that requires twice the hardware (twice the memory, at least). Fred Holmes * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
At 09:59 AM 12/3/2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: >But the community can't move forward if brain-dead Windows users continue >to cling to defective old IE 6. Brain-dead users like me cling to Windows 2000 (because it works, and because it supports the applications I use), which doesn't support IE7. So why didn't Microsoft port IE7 to Windows 2000? Then it would be easy (for me to try it). Most of Microsoft's customers are brain-dead by your (Tom Piowar's) standards. MS needs to cater to brain-dead customers. Sure, if I want to figure out the intricacies of VMWare, I can run Win2K in a virtual machine on WinXP/sp2 or Vista, and have both available, but that requires twice the hardware (twice the memory, at least). Fred Holmes * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
Upgraded 3 computers last week without incidents. It seems to work ok, but my primary browser is Firefox and I only use IE as a backup or for Windows Update. Richard P. Daniel Else wrote: Microsoft is pushing its Internet Explorer 7 pretty hard and through touting free phone tech support for the change seems to be implying that the transition from 6 to 7 might not be transparent. Is there any experience out there with the move from one version to the other? Good? Bad? or just Ugly? Dan * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
>Microsoft is pushing its Internet Explorer 7 pretty hard and through >touting free phone tech support for the change seems to be implying that >the transition from 6 to 7 might not be transparent. The reason is under the hood. The main reason to upgrade to IE7 is that IE6 was seriously defective in terms of W3C standards compliance, especially when it came to CSS. There were 100s of things wrong and web developers had to use a long list of hacks to work around the bugs. The hacks had become so standard that they even had names (like the Holly Hack or Peekaboo Bug -- google on those to get an idea of what I'm describing). Web developers were thrilled by IE7 because it was much more, but not completely, standards compliant. With IE 7 building a web page is much less like walking through a minefield. With IE 7 developers can start seriously using CSS and focus less on hacks and more on developing better websites. But the community can't move forward if brain-dead Windows users continue to cling to defective old IE 6. Looking at stats, about a third of IE users quickly switched. The remaining IE 6 users did not. Currently the adoption rate is very slow. This is possibly because IE 7 is being associated with that dog of an OS, Vista. I think this is unfair because it looks to me like the group developing IE 7 is atypical for MS and really knows what it is doing. IE 7 works much better than IE 6. IE 7 has many security improvements over IE 6. I suspect many of the complaints about IE 7 are because it no longer does many stupid things that IE 6 did. From a security standpoint, I consider using IE 6 simply foolish. The user interface is a bit stark, but everything you need is there. It just takes some getting used to. All this said, I use FireFox most of the time. I find it more standards compliant, more secure, and all around better. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
>Before I move to a new piece of software, I want to know what features it >provides that I really need. Most of the time the old software works just >fine, and the new software doesn't provide the one or two features that I >would really like to see to improve my work. The new features are >designed to make the program "easier to use" by a neophyte computer user, >but for someone who has already learned the old interface for the program, >the new interface is just something requiring a lot of time to learn -- >time that isn't productive. You sound very old Fred. Your expectation that new software will not be as good as what it replaces would be a sad state of affairs, if it were true. Go over to Wikipedia and read their entry on IE 7. It will give you a long list of reasons why 7 is better. You can even start a new section about why it is not better and see what develops. That would be really interesting. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
MS likely has learned that there are some problems, and is offering free support for IE7 so it can determine exactly what the problems are (and perhaps try to fix them). If too many folks have problems with a new product, word gets around and people stop using it, stop trying to use it. That's not good for MS. Suppose your bank tells you that you must have IE7 in order to do on-line banking. And your response is, "I can't get IE7 to work. Can you (the bank) help me get it to work?" What does the bank do? MS might be listening to some bank(s). Before I move to a new piece of software, I want to know what features it provides that I really need. Most of the time the old software works just fine, and the new software doesn't provide the one or two features that I would really like to see to improve my work. The new features are designed to make the program "easier to use" by a neophyte computer user, but for someone who has already learned the old interface for the program, the new interface is just something requiring a lot of time to learn -- time that isn't productive. At 06:44 AM 12/3/2007, Daniel Else wrote: >Microsoft is pushing its Internet Explorer 7 pretty hard and through touting >free phone tech support for the change seems to be implying that the >transition from 6 to 7 might not be transparent. > >Is there any experience out there with the move from one version to the other? >Good? Bad? or just Ugly? > >Dan * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 1 Dec 2007 - Special issue (#2007-851)
If you have the data backed up, you should be able to install 2006 to a clean system (one that never had ACT! Installed on it) and then import the data, assuming that v. 2008 didn't convert the data to a new format (table structures, attributes, etc.). Disclaimer: I don't have any experience with ACT!, but this is what I would try. Also, the few times I've needed to call MS's support, it was very good. In one instance, we discovered a bug and they refunded the $245 fee to us. Considering how Sage has left you holding the bag, I would consider another product, if possible. > -Original Message- > We use the premium for work groups (5+ people) and 2008 has some nice > features, but 2006 works fine and I didn't see enough of a benefit to > warrant a $1500 expense at the moment. > > I did try reinstalling 2008. I get part way through to where it asks to > install SQL and then crashes * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
I permitted MS update to install IE 7, and I cannot get it to work. Since I don't use IE for my Web browsing, that isn't a problem for me, but it might be for other folks. I guess I might think about removing IE 7 and re-installing IE 6, if I should ever need to use IE. I prefer Firefox. Mike Daniel Else wrote: Microsoft is pushing its Internet Explorer 7 pretty hard and through touting free phone tech support for the change seems to be implying that the transition from 6 to 7 might not be transparent. Is there any experience out there with the move from one version to the other? Good? Bad? or just Ugly? Dan * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 1 Dec 2007 - Special issue (#2007-851)
We use the premium for work groups (5+ people) and 2008 has some nice features, but 2006 works fine and I didn't see enough of a benefit to warrant a $1500 expense at the moment. I did try reinstalling 2008. I get part way through to where it asks to install SQL and then crashes From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:31 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 1 Dec 2007 - Special issue (#2007-851) Why did you go back to the previous version? Was v. 2008 not working or you just didn't like it? Have you tried reinstalling v. 2008? > -Original Message- > > I have a serious problem with my computer and am desperately trying to > prevent a complete wipe of my computer. I recently installed ACT! > 2008 over the 2006 version and everything seemed fine. I then > uninstalled > ACT!2008 to return to the earlier version. When I tried to reinstall > ACT!2006 it crashed, repeatedly. I called SAGE and the "techsupport" > screwed around on my computer for a while and then told me they could > do no more and I needed to call Microsoft to fix it. Because of the > "techsupport" I lost access to ALL Office programs and Quickbooks. I > did a restore point to earlier in the day and was able to recover > Office and Quickbooks, but still no ACT!2006 or ACT!2008. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
The only thing I noticed were the scattered and scrambled buttons. MS implemented that badly enough that I have no doubt some people were lost and needed help. Other than that, I can't imagine what you would need phone support for. > -Original Message- > Microsoft is pushing its Internet Explorer 7 pretty hard and through > touting free phone tech support for the change seems to be implying > that the transition from 6 to 7 might not be transparent. > > Is there any experience out there with the move from one version to the > other? Good? Bad? or just Ugly? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] MS IE 7
Microsoft is pushing its Internet Explorer 7 pretty hard and through touting free phone tech support for the change seems to be implying that the transition from 6 to 7 might not be transparent. Is there any experience out there with the move from one version to the other? Good? Bad? or just Ugly? Dan * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
