Re: [CGUYS] Sending .avi files to the UK

[Tony B]

A five minute SD mpeg 2 video should only be maybe 180mb. You're doing
something wrong. What app are you using to encode the file? What
bitrate are you encoding to?

If they're meant to watch this on a computer, you could also encode to
an mpeg 4 format and get much better compression.


On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have one .avi which is 4-5 minutes in length but it's 725 Meg, - too big
> for one CD.


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Re: [CGUYS] Sending .avi files to the UK

[Brian]

I've not had access to a PC for a few days and therefore I am late in
following up:

 Thanks for the replies. While I thought I was technology savvy to some
extent, when it comes to video formats I glaze over.

  I took the video with my Digital (still) camera which recorded it in .avi
format and looks very nice considering.  All I did was create a data DVD and
just dragged (copied) the .jpg pictures and the .avi videos across to a DVD
which I tested on a second PC in the house.

The in-laws in the UK tried it on their DVD player and several PCs, none of
which could read the DVD.

 I have since put the .jpgs on a CD which I know should work because I put
graduation pictures on a CD 2 years ago that they can view on their TV.

  The videos I put on a 2nd CD and I have yet to hear back if that can be
viewed or not.

I have one .avi which is 4-5 minutes in length but it's 725 Meg, - too big
for one CD.

 Is there an easy way to "downsize" this .avi file so I can put it on a CD.

I'm still not sure why the original DVD would not work for them

 If .avi is the wrong format, how do I convert it to something more
manageable?

Thanks for the response..

Brian


>
> --
>
> Date:Sun, 18 May 2008 23:11:03 -0400
> From:Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Sending .avi files to the UK
>
> No, if this was a standard UDF no-multisession data DVD then they
> should have been able to read it in any computer. Region settings
> would only kick in for video DVDs played in DVD players. But know that
> a good percentage of DVDs I send to our office 60 miles away in DC
> don't work; I think it may have to do with anti-terrorist measures at
> the post office, strong x-rays or whatever they're doing.
>
> I think you're having an issue figuring out exactly what your target
> audience is. If they're supposed to watch this on a computer, then
> there's no reason to send a bloated .avi. If on regular DVD players,
> then it should be .mpg (2).
>
> Just how long are these videos? Unless they're really large, it may be
> better to render to a format like .wmv (9) and just zip all the files
> together and upload them for online retrieval.
>
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have some photos and a couple of movies taken with my digital camera in
> > .avi format of a family event that I'd like to send to the UK.
> >  The first thing I did was put everything (photos and movies) on a DVD
> and
> > mailed it. Nobody there can read the DVD on any device they have - My
> guess
> > is because of the region codes used on DVDs.
> >
> >  I am about to put the files on several CDs which should not be affected
> by
> > the region code issue, but before I do I was wondering if I need to be
> > worried about whether the .avi files will display properly on PCs over
> there
> > given they were recorded as NTSC and it's PAL in the UK.
> >
> >  My naive question is since the movies are not DVDs but just .avi files
> is
> > this something I need to worry about, if so can someone recommend an
> > inexpensive (free would be nice) utility that will do the conversion.
> >
> > Or am I going about this the wrong way.
> >
> > Thanks for any advice
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Re: [CGUYS] PC, Mac or Modification

[Steve Yaffe]

I'm not adept in e-mailing this list, but here goes.  A desktop has a few 
advantages over a laptop for someone who may be frail.  The keyboard is easier 
to type on and won't move.  A laptop, on the other hand, may be on an unsteady 
lap.  More importantly, the computer screen is more likely to offer larger 
print and be positioned above the dividing line for bi (or tri) focal lenses.  
The last factor is that laptops are more portable - not a good thing in an 
institutional residential setting.

Given all that, I have something in common with Dear Old Dad (not age, yet) - 
my PC is older than his, also on XP Pro, and there is no way that I have enough 
RAM or processing speed to handle the latest 'fix' (service package 3) from 
Microsoft.  Neither his machine nor mine could handle Vista.  He might be ready 
to switch to a Mac - my 82-year old mother is happy with hers.  I'm thinking of 
doing the same - except I need to exchange Word & Excel files with the Dell at 
work either thru e-mails or flash drive.

Reverend, if this doesn't make the List-Serve, can you forward it for me (and 
let me know how you did it?  Thanks

Steve Yaffe
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Re: [CGUYS] over shooting

[Tony B]

Point taken. But really, when one has to prepare an answer based on
virtually NO information, it's tough to be real 'polite'. The
re-phrasing you wrote is only with benefit of the list having dragged
_some few_ details out of the OP.

In fact, at this point we all know he's probably going about it the
wrong way, but everyone's being too polite to actually tell him that.
Or maybe just turned off by his attitude. He asked for it.


On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 10:50 PM, John DeCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but I'm seeing this all the time these days.
>
>
> Tony,
>
> Your normal answer to people is to tell them that they are doing something
> wrong, they should do something different.
>
> I agree that there are times where people think they have to do A, when B
> would serve their purposes better.
>
> But you could try to be more polite.  Something like:
>
> I understand there are difficulties with putting that many pictures on a CD
> for a DVD player.  You may have very good reasons for doing so (you didn't
> say), but my experience has been that putting fewer per CD, to allow people
> to focus on just a few at a time would be a better approach most of the
> time.


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Re: [CGUYS] tags

[Tony B]

Let's not confuse the issue. Tag based file systems like WinFS may, in
the future, replace the folder structures we now know.

But *today*, the term 'tags' and 'tagging' refers to posts and
pictures on the web.


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Re: [CGUYS] over shooting

[Eric S. Sande]

Actually exceeds 35mm in some respects.


What respects are those?  Are you saying, that given equal
lenses, a charge coupled detector of fixed bandwidth is an
equal recording instrument compared to film? 
 



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Re: [CGUYS] tags

[John DeCarlo]

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Jeff Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Thank you. But I think it's only recently become common. I've been
> online since...I don't remember when, maybe 93'. And only in the last few
> months have I seen this term posted all over the place.


I have only seen it used commonly in the past two or three years.  But then
I read magazines and blogs about this kind of thing.


> But I guess every so often computer users get bored and have to either make
> things up or resurrect old terms. The last time I was confused about a
> search term was the "Bolian"(sp) search.


Man, Boolean searches are older than computers.  I did Boolean searches in
college in 1978.  And Boolean algebra is much, much older.

-- 
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Re: [CGUYS] over shooting

[John DeCarlo]

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry, but I'm seeing this all the time these days.


Tony,

Your normal answer to people is to tell them that they are doing something
wrong, they should do something different.

I agree that there are times where people think they have to do A, when B
would serve their purposes better.

But you could try to be more polite.  Something like:

I understand there are difficulties with putting that many pictures on a CD
for a DVD player.  You may have very good reasons for doing so (you didn't
say), but my experience has been that putting fewer per CD, to allow people
to focus on just a few at a time would be a better approach most of the
time.

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Re: [CGUYS] Web users "getting more selfish"

[John DeCarlo]

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Richard P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> BBC NEWS
> Web users 'getting more selfish'
>

The nerve of those web users - not even clicking on ads when it wouldn't
cost them a thing!

Whatever happened to common courtesy?

The next thing you know, they will go into brick-and-mortar stores and turn
down the help from the sales people.

-- 
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Re: [CGUYS] ISO 9660 Joliet

[John DeCarlo]

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Steve Rigby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I am trying to write an ISO 9660 Joliet CD with a bunch of jpeg files as
> its content.  It appears as though any files beyond a certain quantity
> refuse to be displayed on the DVD player that I use with my home
> entertainment system.  That DVD player requires Joliet CDs for jpeg display
> purposes.


I recall moving some files to folders instead of having them all in the root
of the CD, to get around this problem.

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Re: [CGUYS] over shooting

[Tom Piwowar]

>Digital photography is finally getting up to 35mm qualty.  That's good.

Actually exceeds 35mm in some respects.


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Re: [CGUYS] over shooting

[Eric S. Sande]

Or the thousands surprises that can really make a great photo.  Shoot.
Shoot. Shoot.  Just make sure you toss the bad ones.


Back in the day we had contact sheets.  This was a method, sure.

Digital photography is finally getting up to 35mm qualty.  That's good.

I agree, shoot lots and toss the trash.  It costs nothing.


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Re: [CGUYS] over shooting

[mike]

Or the thousands surprises that can really make a great photo.  Shoot.
Shoot. Shoot.  Just make sure you toss the bad ones.

Mike

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> or the 1000s of other
> surprises that can ruin a great photo.
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[CGUYS] PS shop/tech needed

[mike]

I've got a friend whose son is getting married soon and wants a cover for
the wedding registry done.  She lives in San Jose, but doesn't need local,
any help in finding someone or a shop she can go to for some photoshop work
mucho appreciated.

Mike


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Re: [CGUYS] tags

[mike]

This and true search was one of the big ideas MS was going to bring to vista
with it's new filesystem that they couldn't get working.  I haven't heard
anything lately about if they got winfs working and will be released at all.

Mike

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >But I think it's only recently become common. I've been
> >online since...I don't remember when, maybe 93'. And only in the last
> >few months have I seen this term posted all over the place. But I
> >guess every so often computer users get bored and have to either make
> >things up or resurrect old terms.
>
> The idea of tagging is a powerful replacement for the old file-folder
> metaphor. The problem with the old file-folder metaphor was that a file
> could only be in one place at a time, unless it was copied (but copying
> files leads to bigger messes) or pointed to with aliases/shortcuts (but
> that leads to a different kind of messiness). Tags is a different way to
> look at organization that is much more powerful.
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Re: [CGUYS] ISO 9660 Joliet

[Tom Piwowar]

>Sorry, I missed the part where you explained what you were trying to
>accomplish. Oh wait, YOU DIDN'T.

Having a bad day Tony?

The question was quite clear. It asked about a specific ISO standard 
citing its number. Can't be more specific than that. ISO standards are 
not hardware or software specific so such details were irrelevant.


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Re: [CGUYS] ISO 9660 Joliet

[Tom Piwowar]

>I am aware of the pitfalls and limitations of ISO 9660 Joliet.  It  
>would not be my format of choice but for the reason that I need to  
>retain compatibility with stand alone DVD players for this particular  
>project.  Many DVD players need to have ISO 9660 Joliet formatted CDs  
>for jpeg images, thus I am kinda stuck on this format for this  
>particular project.  I ain't happy about it but have little choice in  
>this instance.

I have had to do the same thing using ISO 9660 Joliet. I recall times 
where I had to play with file names to burn a CD.


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Re: [CGUYS] over shooting

[Tom Piwowar]

>Sorry, but I'm seeing this all the time these days. People are no
>longer constrained by expensive film, so they're shooting 10X the
>pictures they need. Nothing wrong with that.

And they should be overshooting. Overshooting is the best way to get 
around the problem of someone closing their eyes at the wrong moment, or 
something unwanted crossing through the background, or the 1000s of other 
surprises that can ruin a great photo.


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Re: [CGUYS] PC, Mac, or modification

[Eric S. Sande]

So, the questions - should we invest the time and effort to upgrade the 
current >machine to access WiFi or punt to a new machine? If we punt, 
should it be to a >Mac or another PC?


If it were my Dad I'd build him a best in class desktop and replicate
as far as is possible what he's used to.  That's what I did when I replaced
my Mom's PC a year and a half ago.  She thinks it's the bee's knees.

Her's is the fastest and most capable computer on the block.

Admittedley she's not using it to maximum capacity, I'm trying to get her
into gaming but its uphill.  She does like the broadband access to the
Web.

My brother and I sort of collaboarated on that effort, I'm the technical
guy who built the machine and he shelled out for the productivity
software and the laser printer.

Remember that you only get one set of parents, normally, so my advice
is to treat them right.


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Re: [CGUYS] tags

[Tom Piwowar]

>But I think it's only recently become common. I've been  
>online since...I don't remember when, maybe 93'. And only in the last  
>few months have I seen this term posted all over the place. But I  
>guess every so often computer users get bored and have to either make  
>things up or resurrect old terms.

The idea of tagging is a powerful replacement for the old file-folder 
metaphor. The problem with the old file-folder metaphor was that a file 
could only be in one place at a time, unless it was copied (but copying 
files leads to bigger messes) or pointed to with aliases/shortcuts (but 
that leads to a different kind of messiness). Tags is a different way to 
look at organization that is much more powerful.


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Re: [CGUYS] PC, Mac, or modification

[Michel Lowe]

Punt.
Religion & politics dictate whether PC or Mac, and you'll get plenty of both
on this list.  You didn't mention the size of the hard drive or the
processor model, but if you're going to run WinXP you need a gig of RAM.  So
before you spend money upgrading a 6-year-old machine, check out the prices
of brand spankin' new ones.
-Mike
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> To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
> Subject: [CGUYS] PC, Mac, or modification
> 
> I'd appreciate some expert opinions on resolving a family challenge.
> 
> Dear old Dad has moved to an assisted care facility and has eventually
taken his
> desktop with him. The facility has a WiFi net that the residents are free
to use. Dad's
> Dell runs Windows XP Pro, but is of 2002 vintage and lacks the board to
access WiFi.
> He's never been on line very much and will have to relearn the ways of the
Web.
> 
> He is running a Pentium processor but has only 128mB of RAM in the thing.
He's also
> not the most tech-savvy guy on the block, and might not be the most
tech-savvy in the
> facility.
> 
> So, the questions - should we invest the time and effort to upgrade the
current machine
> to access WiFi or punt to a new machine? If we punt, should it be to a Mac
or another
> PC?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Dan
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Re: [CGUYS] PC, Mac, or modification

[mike]

Last wifi card I bought was on sale for under 15 dollars.  Pretty cheap fix
for something you say he doesn't use much.  No reason why it shouldn't
work.  Try outpost, newegg, tigerdirect...local shops.  The usual suspects


Mike

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Daniel Else <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'd appreciate some expert opinions on resolving a family challenge.
>
> Dear old Dad has moved to an assisted care facility and has eventually
> taken his desktop with him. The facility has a WiFi net that the residents
> are free to use. Dad's Dell runs Windows XP Pro, but is of 2002 vintage and
> lacks the board to access WiFi. He's never been on line very much and will
> have to relearn the ways of the Web.
>
> He is running a Pentium processor but has only 128mB of RAM in the thing.
> He's also not the most tech-savvy guy on the block, and might not be the
> most tech-savvy in the facility.
>
> So, the questions - should we invest the time and effort to upgrade the
> current machine to access WiFi or punt to a new machine? If we punt, should
> it be to a Mac or another PC?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Dan
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Re: [CGUYS] PC, Mac, or modification

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Processor is not the problem.  Memory size (RAM) must be tweaked 
immediately to make it run faster and better.  Adding a USB adapter 
(Wireless G at least) would get it onto the Internet.


If he is a fairly adept computer user, how about a Laptop?

Stewart

At 04:35 PM 5/25/2008, you wrote:

I'd appreciate some expert opinions on resolving a family challenge.

Dear old Dad has moved to an assisted care facility and has 
eventually taken his desktop with him. The facility has a WiFi net 
that the residents are free to use. Dad's Dell runs Windows XP Pro, 
but is of 2002 vintage and lacks the board to access WiFi. He's 
never been on line very much and will have to relearn the ways of the Web.


He is running a Pentium processor but has only 128mB of RAM in the 
thing. He's also not the most tech-savvy guy on the block, and might 
not be the most tech-savvy in the facility.


So, the questions - should we invest the time and effort to upgrade 
the current machine to access WiFi or punt to a new machine? If we 
punt, should it be to a Mac or another PC?


Thanks in advance.

Dan


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[CGUYS] PC, Mac, or modification

[Daniel Else]

I'd appreciate some expert opinions on resolving a family challenge.

Dear old Dad has moved to an assisted care facility and has eventually taken 
his desktop with him. The facility has a WiFi net that the residents are free 
to use. Dad's Dell runs Windows XP Pro, but is of 2002 vintage and lacks the 
board to access WiFi. He's never been on line very much and will have to 
relearn the ways of the Web.

He is running a Pentium processor but has only 128mB of RAM in the thing. He's 
also not the most tech-savvy guy on the block, and might not be the most 
tech-savvy in the facility.

So, the questions - should we invest the time and effort to upgrade the current 
machine to access WiFi or punt to a new machine? If we punt, should it be to a 
Mac or another PC?

Thanks in advance.

Dan


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Re: [CGUYS] BusinessWeek Infotech 100

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Tom keep it to what you just said below and it means more.

(The line you quoted is to satisfy lawyers and stuff.  Why is it IBM 
is called a Blue Chip Stock?  Long term performance.)


As I said I do not read financial pages much.  What you state below 
that Dell (really an insurance seller that also sells PC's) and MS 
have fallen.  Steve Ballmers performance lately is the performance of 
a bully not a High Tech guy.


By the way I dispose of my homilies when they are done.  I prefer to 
trawl for new stuff all the time,


Stewart


At 10:05 AM 5/25/2008, you wrote:

I thought they said "past performance is not an indicator of future
performance."

Or more likely they have a stockpile of homilies to draw on to justify
just about any situation (after the fact).

An engineer looking to gain some insight into the future would look at
the second derivative and see that for Apple it is increasing and for MS
it is decreasing. They would also notice that it has been this way for
quite a long time.

But what you are responding to was an afterthought. The top of the post
noted that MS was no longer in the top quintile of infotech companies.
And that Dell did not even make the top 100. That is interesting.


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Re: [CGUYS] over shooting

[Steve Rigby]

On May 25, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Tony B wrote:


Sorry, but I'm seeing this all the time these days. People are no
longer constrained by expensive film, so they're shooting 10X the
pictures they need. Nothing wrong with that.

But modern audiences bore quickly. If you can't tell your story with a
5 minute presentation, you're going to lose them. Much more important
to work on the 25 pics you're left with than the 375 you archived.

IMHO, of course.


  Your opinion is your opinion.  However, it served no useful  
purpose for you to have been as presumptive as you were in this  
instance.  The fact of the matter is that the CD I am creating will  
contain photos by a number of photographers.  Any given photography  
project may contain but a few selective items or it may contain many,  
dependent upon the intent of the project.


  For this project, many persons viewing the images will do so on  
computers, while others, probably mostly older folks who may not use  
computers can employ their DVD players to view the images.  Thus the  
need for ISO 9660 Joliet format for the CDs.


  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] tags

[Jeff Miles]

	Thank you. But I think it's only recently become common. I've been  
online since...I don't remember when, maybe 93'. And only in the last  
few months have I seen this term posted all over the place. But I  
guess every so often computer users get bored and have to either make  
things up or resurrect old terms. The last time I was confused about a  
search term was the "Bolian"(sp) search.
	You can probably tell I'm not going to be the inventor of the next  
big search engine empire. Instead I'm working on my tornado busting  
idea. Anyone have a spare satellite with microwave beam technology?


Jeff M


On May 25, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Tony B wrote:


No, a 'tag' is a common search term.

e.g. A post about Holsteins could include the tags:
milk,cows,bulls,holstein . These are meant to make searching for the
topic easier. I'm also seeing a lot of search 'clouds' - graphic
representations of the most used search terms/tags. Such a cloud may
lead you to information without your needing to think of the 'proper'
search term.

What's odd is a lot of software now is trying to get users to enter
tags separately, but it seems to me as long as the relevant words are
used in the posts then search engines shouldn't need the help to find
things.

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Jeff Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:
  Could someone explain to me what a "tag" is? I keep seeing  
this term
around the web. And it just seemed to crop up not to long ago. If  
it's what

I think it is, didn't we used to call these links?



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[CGUYS] tags

[Tony B]

No, a 'tag' is a common search term.

e.g. A post about Holsteins could include the tags:
milk,cows,bulls,holstein . These are meant to make searching for the
topic easier. I'm also seeing a lot of search 'clouds' - graphic
representations of the most used search terms/tags. Such a cloud may
lead you to information without your needing to think of the 'proper'
search term.

What's odd is a lot of software now is trying to get users to enter
tags separately, but it seems to me as long as the relevant words are
used in the posts then search engines shouldn't need the help to find
things.

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Jeff Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Could someone explain to me what a "tag" is? I keep seeing this term
> around the web. And it just seemed to crop up not to long ago. If it's what
> I think it is, didn't we used to call these links?


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[CGUYS] over shooting

[Tony B]

Sorry, but I'm seeing this all the time these days. People are no
longer constrained by expensive film, so they're shooting 10X the
pictures they need. Nothing wrong with that.

But modern audiences bore quickly. If you can't tell your story with a
5 minute presentation, you're going to lose them. Much more important
to work on the 25 pics you're left with than the 375 you archived.

IMHO, of course.

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Steve Rigby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> not the same as "scatter shot."  You were being dismissive when you
> suggested that I should delete about 90 percent of the images lest I "bore"
> folks.


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Re: [CGUYS] ISO 9660 Joliet

[Steve Rigby]

On May 25, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Tony B wrote:


Sorry, I missed the part where you explained what you were trying to
accomplish. Oh wait, YOU DIDN'T.


  I did explain what I was trying to accomplish.  I said I was  
trying to write a joliet CD with a lot of jpeg images as its content.




Sorry, I missed the part where you explained what systems you were
using. Oh wait, YOU DIDN'T. Still, it doesn't take a whole lot of
intelligence to substitute 'WMM' for whatever app is applicable on
your system.


  With ISO 9660 Joliet it makes no real difference what system one  
is using if we are speaking of Mac or Windows.




If you're going to ask vague esoteric questions, then you have to
expect generalized scatter shot replies.


  My question was not all that vague, in my opinion.  If it was too  
esoteric for you, I dunno what I could have done about that.   
Dismissive replies are not the same as "scatter shot."  You were  
being dismissive when you suggested that I should delete about 90  
percent of the images lest I "bore" folks.


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Re: [CGUYS] ISO 9660 Joliet

[Steve Rigby]

On May 25, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:


P.S. I'm writing the above from memory, so some of the numbers may be
slightly off. But this gives you an idea of the pitfalls of ISO  
9660 and

Joliet.


  I am aware of the pitfalls and limitations of ISO 9660 Joliet.  It  
would not be my format of choice but for the reason that I need to  
retain compatibility with stand alone DVD players for this particular  
project.  Many DVD players need to have ISO 9660 Joliet formatted CDs  
for jpeg images, thus I am kinda stuck on this format for this  
particular project.  I ain't happy about it but have little choice in  
this instance.


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Re: [CGUYS] Web users "getting more selfish"

[Jeff Miles]

	Could someone explain to me what a "tag" is? I keep seeing this term  
around the web. And it just seemed to crop up not to long ago. If it's  
what I think it is, didn't we used to call these links?


Jeff M


On May 24, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:


So is this the wave of the future? I can identify with the part about
web pages taking longer to load and learning to ignore the  
distractions.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7417496.stm


Jakob Nielsen is wrong more often than right and tends to over
sensationalize.

The observation that so many people use Google instead of a site's  
home

page doesn't mean much. Most of the time searching Google is more
productive because it can turn up alternative sources of  
information. In

many cases the vendor website is not the best source of information.
Vendors as often as not will be trying to cover up problems, not  
trying

help you solve them. Also, many web sites are so poorly organized that
the best way to find things is to Google with a site tag.


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Re: [CGUYS] ISO 9660 Joliet

[Eric S. Sande]

If you're going to ask vague esoteric questions...


I don't think it was vague.  It was actually pretty specific.

I wouldn't touch this one beacause it's outside my areas of
expertise.  But Tom is right as far as far as file system naming
limitations.




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Re: [CGUYS] ISO 9660 Joliet

[Tony B]

>  If it did not matter, to me at least, I would not have asked the question.

Sorry, I missed the part where you explained what you were trying to
accomplish. Oh wait, YOU DIDN'T.

>  If I used Windows Movie Maker I'd have to buy a Windows machine.  As to
> your final suggestion, that is just plain silly.

Sorry, I missed the part where you explained what systems you were
using. Oh wait, YOU DIDN'T. Still, it doesn't take a whole lot of
intelligence to substitute 'WMM' for whatever app is applicable on
your system.

If you're going to ask vague esoteric questions, then you have to
expect generalized scatter shot replies. Perhaps you'll like Tom's
answer better, as it contains buzzwords like 'UDF' and 'directory
depth', but he (wisely I suppose) refrained from even trying to guess
what it is you're trying to do.

Pardon me all to hell for trying to assist with your project.


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Re: [CGUYS] ISO 9660 Joliet

[Tom Piwowar]

>I am trying to write an ISO 9660 Joliet CD with a bunch of jpeg  
>files as its content.  It appears as though any files beyond a  
>certain quantity refuse to be displayed on the DVD player that I use  
>with my home entertainment system.  That DVD player requires Joliet  
>CDs for jpeg display purposes.

It is tough using an obsolete format in a modren world. It would be 
better to use ISO 13346 (aka UDF), which supersedes ISO 9660.

Joliet is a MS extension of ISO 9660 that augments 9660's 8.3 filenames 
with a separate table of longer file names. This is then mapped into 
generated 8.3 filenames using the first 6 letters of the filename, a 
tilda, and a sequence number.

You could be running into trouble if too many of your filenames are 
similar because that would generate identical 8.3 file names. This can 
happen with JPEGs that have been automatically named. You may want to 
process your filenames to eliminate identical letters on the front end.

ISO 9660 also has a bunch of restrictions on the depth of the directory 
structure (8 levels) and the total length of the path (255 characters). 
Etc.

So there are bunches of ways to hit a limit. Many applications are 
notorious for not handling these limits gracefully. Some hang. Some write 
the disc anyway and you get a disc that is probably unreadable.

P.S. I'm writing the above from memory, so some of the numbers may be 
slightly off. But this gives you an idea of the pitfalls of ISO 9660 and 
Joliet. 


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Re: [CGUYS] BusinessWeek Infotech 100

[Tom Piwowar]

>Tom many (I should say most) financial advisors tell you to look over 
>long term gain not short term gain on stock.

I thought they said "past performance is not an indicator of future 
performance."

Or more likely they have a stockpile of homilies to draw on to justify 
just about any situation (after the fact).

An engineer looking to gain some insight into the future would look at 
the second derivative and see that for Apple it is increasing and for MS 
it is decreasing. They would also notice that it has been this way for 
quite a long time.

But what you are responding to was an afterthought. The top of the post 
noted that MS was no longer in the top quintile of infotech companies. 
And that Dell did not even make the top 100. That is interesting.


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Re: [CGUYS] ISO 9660 Joliet

[Steve Rigby]

On May 24, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Tony B wrote:

I'm unaware of much of anything about Joliet, but does it really  
matter?


  If it did not matter, to me at least, I would not have asked the  
question.




Anyway, make a video (use Windows Movie Maker if you don't want to buy
anything). But first I'd separate out about 375 of those pics, unless
you're really _trying_ to bore viewers to death.


  If I used Windows Movie Maker I'd have to buy a Windows machine.   
As to your final suggestion, that is just plain silly.


  Steve


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