Re: [CGUYS] Emotional About (Cisco) Hardware?
After all, the systems are not your personal property. No they aren't and this is very hard for some to accept. Mr. Childs would have lasted about 12 minutes at a major US carrier. Maybe less. He got away with a lot because his management was either not there or unaware, apparently. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
well, would somebody be good enuf to repeat the info...please! With considerable effort, two easy-to-use online archives were set up for the List. Should we have not bothered? What is your aversion to using the archive? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
WARNING: Rant I just got a notice from T-Mobile. They raised their fees for SMS/text to 20 cents incoming/outgoing. That's outrageous! Is this a reaction to a US market that doesn't complain when prices are raised for no reason? Or is this to counter the European Union's actions to reduce price gouging by Euro telcos? Looks like T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom is making up lost fees in the EU by raising our rates, although their 2007 earnings look good. The least that ALL telcos should do is have free incoming texts so we don't have to pay for spam texts. I'm seriously considering switching to 7-11 SpeakOut [lowered their charges for voice and text in 1/08], or buying another SpeakOut phone and using it for text [5 cents incoming/outgoing texts, 15 cents/min voice, 1 yr expiration] and keeping T-Mobile PAYGO for voice [10 cents/min, $100 refill, 1 yr expiration]. Wish they sold the dual SIM phones in the US so I wouldn't have to carry two phones, but, again, the United States is far behind other countries when it comes to mobile as well as broadband. The international United Mobile SIM card has free incoming calls in 80 countries, but not here. TravelSIM has free incoming calls and texts in many countries, but not here. The US can't compete because Americans, except sometimes in Philadelphia region, don't demand fair prices. Instead we get nickeled and dimed to death by the likes of Verizon and ATT, paying $50-60/month for services that cost $30-35/month elsewhere. Eurozone smart phones are much cheaper too, Nokia N95 €29 euros w/18 mo. plan vs. $600 in US, no plan available. If you primarily use voice, T-Mobile has the best deal, as long as the reception is good. If you text more than talk, try SpeakOut [uses ATT GoPhone network, phones sold only at 7-11 stores] No 7-11 near you? Have a friend pick one up for you. Betty Take a look here: http://www.prepaidreviews.com/bestrated.html I think they give a pretty good rundown of all the services. I just changed my regular Verizon service to pre-pay. Judy Cosler wrote: was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
People aren't happy about AT$T's new pricing either. Text is practically free to send but because of it's increasing use, I think the telcos are raking in some extra cash. I've been fairly lucky as I have tmobile, but I got in under the unlimited text for 10 bux a month. I have no data plan with tmobile, but I get all my email forwarded to my phone nonetheless and I also get an obscene number of texts from twitter. Has anyone tried the new sprint 99 dollars for everything? Mike On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 9:55 AM, b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WARNING: Rant I just got a notice from T-Mobile. They raised their fees for SMS/text to 20 cents incoming/outgoing. That's outrageous! Is this a reaction to a US market that doesn't complain when prices are raised for no reason? Or is this to counter the European Union's actions to reduce price gouging by Euro telcos? Looks like T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom is making up lost fees in the EU by raising our rates, although their 2007 earnings look good. The least that ALL telcos should do is have free incoming texts so we don't have to pay for spam texts. I'm seriously considering switching to 7-11 SpeakOut [lowered their charges for voice and text in 1/08], or buying another SpeakOut phone and using it for text [5 cents incoming/outgoing texts, 15 cents/min voice, 1 yr expiration] and keeping T-Mobile PAYGO for voice [10 cents/min, $100 refill, 1 yr expiration]. Wish they sold the dual SIM phones in the US so I wouldn't have to carry two phones, but, again, the United States is far behind other countries when it comes to mobile as well as broadband. The international United Mobile SIM card has free incoming calls in 80 countries, but not here. TravelSIM has free incoming calls and texts in many countries, but not here. The US can't compete because Americans, except sometimes in Philadelphia region, don't demand fair prices. Instead we get nickeled and dimed to death by the likes of Verizon and ATT, paying $50-60/month for services that cost $30-35/month elsewhere. Eurozone smart phones are much cheaper too, Nokia N95 €29 euros w/18 mo. plan vs. $600 in US, no plan available. If you primarily use voice, T-Mobile has the best deal, as long as the reception is good. If you text more than talk, try SpeakOut [uses ATT GoPhone network, phones sold only at 7-11 stores] No 7-11 near you? Have a friend pick one up for you. Betty Take a look here: http://www.prepaidreviews.com/bestrated.html I think they give a pretty good rundown of all the services. I just changed my regular Verizon service to pre-pay. Judy Cosler wrote: was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
T-Mobile way out west in Northern California/Oregon is one of the poorer carriers. T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:56 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile? WARNING: Rant I just got a notice from T-Mobile. They raised their fees for SMS/text to 20 cents incoming/outgoing. That's outrageous! Is this a reaction to a US market that doesn't complain when prices are raised for no reason? Or is this to counter the European Union's actions to reduce price gouging by Euro telcos? Looks like T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom is making up lost fees in the EU by raising our rates, although their 2007 earnings look good. The least that ALL telcos should do is have free incoming texts so we don't have to pay for spam texts. I'm seriously considering switching to 7-11 SpeakOut [lowered their charges for voice and text in 1/08], or buying another SpeakOut phone and using it for text [5 cents incoming/outgoing texts, 15 cents/min voice, 1 yr expiration] and keeping T-Mobile PAYGO for voice [10 cents/min, $100 refill, 1 yr expiration]. Wish they sold the dual SIM phones in the US so I wouldn't have to carry two phones, but, again, the United States is far behind other countries when it comes to mobile as well as broadband. The international United Mobile SIM card has free incoming calls in 80 countries, but not here. TravelSIM has free incoming calls and texts in many countries, but not here. The US can't compete because Americans, except sometimes in Philadelphia region, don't demand fair prices. Instead we get nickeled and dimed to death by the likes of Verizon and ATT, paying $50-60/month for services that cost $30-35/month elsewhere. Eurozone smart phones are much cheaper too, Nokia N95 €29 euros w/18 mo. plan vs. $600 in US, no plan available. If you primarily use voice, T-Mobile has the best deal, as long as the reception is good. If you text more than talk, try SpeakOut [uses ATT GoPhone network, phones sold only at 7-11 stores] No 7-11 near you? Have a friend pick one up for you. Betty Take a look here: http://www.prepaidreviews.com/bestrated.html I think they give a pretty good rundown of all the services. I just changed my regular Verizon service to pre-pay. Judy Cosler wrote: was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
I don't doubt at all, but in my case in AZ, I've had nothing but good luck for years with tmobile support. They are always helpful and the times I've needed/asked for a credit over an issue there isn't even a discussion, it's simply given. Now their coverage is horrid, but it works for me. Mike On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T-Mobile way out west in Northern California/Oregon is one of the poorer carriers. T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:56 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile? WARNING: Rant I just got a notice from T-Mobile. They raised their fees for SMS/text to 20 cents incoming/outgoing. That's outrageous! Is this a reaction to a US market that doesn't complain when prices are raised for no reason? Or is this to counter the European Union's actions to reduce price gouging by Euro telcos? Looks like T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom is making up lost fees in the EU by raising our rates, although their 2007 earnings look good. The least that ALL telcos should do is have free incoming texts so we don't have to pay for spam texts. I'm seriously considering switching to 7-11 SpeakOut [lowered their charges for voice and text in 1/08], or buying another SpeakOut phone and using it for text [5 cents incoming/outgoing texts, 15 cents/min voice, 1 yr expiration] and keeping T-Mobile PAYGO for voice [10 cents/min, $100 refill, 1 yr expiration]. Wish they sold the dual SIM phones in the US so I wouldn't have to carry two phones, but, again, the United States is far behind other countries when it comes to mobile as well as broadband. The international United Mobile SIM card has free incoming calls in 80 countries, but not here. TravelSIM has free incoming calls and texts in many countries, but not here. The US can't compete because Americans, except sometimes in Philadelphia region, don't demand fair prices. Instead we get nickeled and dimed to death by the likes of Verizon and ATT, paying $50-60/month for services that cost $30-35/month elsewhere. Eurozone smart phones are much cheaper too, Nokia N95 €29 euros w/18 mo. plan vs. $600 in US, no plan available. If you primarily use voice, T-Mobile has the best deal, as long as the reception is good. If you text more than talk, try SpeakOut [uses ATT GoPhone network, phones sold only at 7-11 stores] No 7-11 near you? Have a friend pick one up for you. Betty Take a look here: http://www.prepaidreviews.com/bestrated.html I think they give a pretty good rundown of all the services. I just changed my regular Verizon service to pre-pay. Judy Cosler wrote: was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
In the US and Canada Cell phone coverage is at best a regional thing. As I remember it, Cell phone areas at first were sold off to regional carriers, and so as they have merged they have kept pretty much to regional type coverage. Plus many of the domestic cell phone companies are legacies of the old Baby Bells. (Verizon, ATT) so that we have good coverage in one area, and lousy coverage in another. Plus what many do not realize is that a percentage of the stores you deal with are not company stores. They are franchise stores operated by a franchise holder. (We have a Verizon store in town but it is not owned by Verizon so I cannot get deals or warranty work done here I must travel 25 miles to the Verizon owned store to do so.) So that may be some of the reason for good personal service in one are and lousy personal service in another. Canada does not have as big a problem as we do as they have less vendors covering their cell phones. (Rogers and Bell are the two biggest if I remember) Plus we pay more for our cell phone coverage because we get discounts on our phones. They subsidies their phones with higher rates. Plus our landline coverage is cheaper than it is in Europe. (They all have metered service!!!) It is easy to complain when you compare apples and plums. Stewart At 12:45 PM 7/25/2008, you wrote: I don't doubt at all, but in my case in AZ, I've had nothing but good luck for years with tmobile support. They are always helpful and the times I've needed/asked for a credit over an issue there isn't even a discussion, it's simply given. Now their coverage is horrid, but it works for me. Mike Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
anybody know about their coverage in SC, NC, MD, DC, VA? seems good from the maps. Well, i've only check the Carolinas. mike wrote: I don't doubt at all, but in my case in AZ, I've had nothing but good luck for years with tmobile support. They are always helpful and the times I've needed/asked for a credit over an issue there isn't even a discussion, it's simply given. Now their coverage is horrid, but it works for me. Mike On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T-Mobile way out west in Northern California/Oregon is one of the poorer carriers. T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:56 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile? WARNING: Rant I just got a notice from T-Mobile. They raised their fees for SMS/text to 20 cents incoming/outgoing. That's outrageous! Is this a reaction to a US market that doesn't complain when prices are raised for no reason? Or is this to counter the European Union's actions to reduce price gouging by Euro telcos? Looks like T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom is making up lost fees in the EU by raising our rates, although their 2007 earnings look good. The least that ALL telcos should do is have free incoming texts so we don't have to pay for spam texts. I'm seriously considering switching to 7-11 SpeakOut [lowered their charges for voice and text in 1/08], or buying another SpeakOut phone and using it for text [5 cents incoming/outgoing texts, 15 cents/min voice, 1 yr expiration] and keeping T-Mobile PAYGO for voice [10 cents/min, $100 refill, 1 yr expiration]. Wish they sold the dual SIM phones in the US so I wouldn't have to carry two phones, but, again, the United States is far behind other countries when it comes to mobile as well as broadband. The international United Mobile SIM card has free incoming calls in 80 countries, but not here. TravelSIM has free incoming calls and texts in many countries, but not here. The US can't compete because Americans, except sometimes in Philadelphia region, don't demand fair prices. Instead we get nickeled and dimed to death by the likes of Verizon and ATT, paying $50-60/month for services that cost $30-35/month elsewhere. Eurozone smart phones are much cheaper too, Nokia N95 €29 euros w/18 mo. plan vs. $600 in US, no plan available. If you primarily use voice, T-Mobile has the best deal, as long as the reception is good. If you text more than talk, try SpeakOut [uses ATT GoPhone network, phones sold only at 7-11 stores] No 7-11 near you? Have a friend pick one up for you. Betty Take a look here: http://www.prepaidreviews.com/bestrated.html I think they give a pretty good rundown of all the services. I just changed my regular Verizon service to pre-pay. Judy Cosler wrote: was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Larry Sacks wrote: T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. A decent _what_? -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
In some cases, apples and baseballs. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is easy to complain when you compare apples and plums. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google Maps slow or stopped?
Yes, I could spend a lot of time looking at photos linked on Google maps. And yes I am aware of the limited zoom levels in less interesting areas. Have you ever heard of the Wunderground weather site? They've got a pretty cool app going with google maps. You might enjoy it. http://tinyurl.com/6dfvlk I like the way they present the weather, another obsession since I'm outside a lot, and they charge $5/year to show you their site without ads. Yes, I know Firefox and Seamonkey and other browsers can block most ads, but I do this anyway. Jordan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
and, the Carolinas (the areas I'm interested in) are roaming coverage. not the 850MHz roaming. what does that mean? Judy Cosler wrote: anybody know about their coverage in SC, NC, MD, DC, VA? seems good from the maps. Well, i've only check the Carolinas. mike wrote: I don't doubt at all, but in my case in AZ, I've had nothing but good luck for years with tmobile support. They are always helpful and the times I've needed/asked for a credit over an issue there isn't even a discussion, it's simply given. Now their coverage is horrid, but it works for me. Mike On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T-Mobile way out west in Northern California/Oregon is one of the poorer carriers. T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:56 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile? WARNING: Rant I just got a notice from T-Mobile. They raised their fees for SMS/text to 20 cents incoming/outgoing. That's outrageous! Is this a reaction to a US market that doesn't complain when prices are raised for no reason? Or is this to counter the European Union's actions to reduce price gouging by Euro telcos? Looks like T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom is making up lost fees in the EU by raising our rates, although their 2007 earnings look good. The least that ALL telcos should do is have free incoming texts so we don't have to pay for spam texts. I'm seriously considering switching to 7-11 SpeakOut [lowered their charges for voice and text in 1/08], or buying another SpeakOut phone and using it for text [5 cents incoming/outgoing texts, 15 cents/min voice, 1 yr expiration] and keeping T-Mobile PAYGO for voice [10 cents/min, $100 refill, 1 yr expiration]. Wish they sold the dual SIM phones in the US so I wouldn't have to carry two phones, but, again, the United States is far behind other countries when it comes to mobile as well as broadband. The international United Mobile SIM card has free incoming calls in 80 countries, but not here. TravelSIM has free incoming calls and texts in many countries, but not here. The US can't compete because Americans, except sometimes in Philadelphia region, don't demand fair prices. Instead we get nickeled and dimed to death by the likes of Verizon and ATT, paying $50-60/month for services that cost $30-35/month elsewhere. Eurozone smart phones are much cheaper too, Nokia N95 €29 euros w/18 mo. plan vs. $600 in US, no plan available. If you primarily use voice, T-Mobile has the best deal, as long as the reception is good. If you text more than talk, try SpeakOut [uses ATT GoPhone network, phones sold only at 7-11 stores] No 7-11 near you? Have a friend pick one up for you. Betty Take a look here: http://www.prepaidreviews.com/bestrated.html I think they give a pretty good rundown of all the services. I just changed my regular Verizon service to pre-pay. Judy Cosler wrote: was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
Depending on your little or no coverage and maybe higher cost coverage. It may also mean analog versus digital. Verizon does this with their pre-paid service. The coverage is not nearly as good as their conventual coverage. Stewart At 02:37 PM 7/25/2008, you wrote: and, the Carolinas (the areas I'm interested in) are roaming coverage. not the 850MHz roaming. what does that mean? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
go here for information overload: http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php?s=253b9c041bc57e66c559bcf81663c3c0forumid=34 they know more about cell phones than cguys know about macs. and they are even more anal than cguys, if that is humanly possible(both groups may be a sub specie of humans) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iTunes mess
gerald sez: is there an easy way to clean the dupes? i can see them, but do not want to go in and delete each one individually. This site has a pretty good procedure for handling duplicates when youhave time and a small problem: http://www.methodshop.com/gadgets/ipodsupport/duplicates/index.shtml However, since you know these are dupes of files you had and not possibly the same song from different albums (like a regular and a live version), you would probably like to sort out the MP3 or AAC files and just delete those. Here is how: 1. Select your music library (Music under Library on the left column). 2. In the right window, click Kind. This will sort your music files by the type they are. 3. Decide if you want to keep your MP3 files or your AAC files. Remember that anything you might have purchased at the regular 99 cent cost from iTunes Music Store will be Protected AAC -- but these should show up grouped separately from AAC Audio File. 4. Select the first song in the list of the type you want to delete. For example, select the first MPEG Audio File if those are going. 5. Scroll down to the last of that file type in the list and hold the SHIFT key while selecting it. This should select all of the files between it and the first one you selected. 6. Right-Click on the selected files and choose Delete or Move to Trash or whatever it is from the pop-up menu. 7. After it is done, scroll through your list and verify everything looks good before you empty that trash can/recycle bin! If your iTunes doesn't show Kind in the right-hand part of the window, you can turn on that column by choosing View--View Options and checking Kind in the list that comes up. Also, remember you can drag the columns into an order you prefer -- I moved my Kind column to the 4th column since it's important for me as I make my own music and have AAC or MP3 depending on what I want to send to people. Hope this helps! -- Michael Lewis Off Balance Productions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.offbalance.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
Whoops... so much for proofing my email before sending... :-) decent signal -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vicky Staubly Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:59 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile? On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Larry Sacks wrote: T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. A decent _what_? -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CUT AND PASTE. (PLEASE)
They might be responding from iPhones... Mike On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Rich Schinnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is about time for cutnpaste 101 again. It really is not that hard to cut and paste the pertinent parts of a CG message to a reply or a new message.. I have seen a one liner response to a 30-60 line quote. Really.. But then I am an Old Fart and getting cranky in my old age.. :) Rich * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CUT AND PASTE. (PLEASE)
It really is not that hard to cut and paste the pertinent parts of a CG message to a reply or a new message.. Why is this important? I know the price of gas is going up and up, but the price of bits continues to go down and down. Quoting before replying makes it clear what is being replied to. Otherwise it is like listening to half of a conversation. With multiple discussions occuring simultaneously on the List, a lack of quoting would make conversations hard to follow. Some people worry about quoting too briefly. Some people even get indignant, complaining that a too brief quote misrepresents their thoughts. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. I agree that the T-Mobile stores are terrible, but you can get T-Mobile phones at CCity, Walmart, etc. I do not agree with you about their call-in customer service people. I love dealing with T-Mobile over the phone. Wait times are short. They are courteous and efficient. They know their products and make an extra effort to solve problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
anybody know about their coverage in SC, NC, MD, DC, VA? seems good from the maps. Well, i've only check the Carolinas. I have never lacked connectivity in the DC metro area, except when working in basements and certain monumental buildings with very heavy walls or when riging the Metro. The DC Metro has a exclusive contract with ATT (which I think should have been declared illegal). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CUT AND PASTE. (PLEASE)
This used to be pertinent when a 5 megabyte hard drive was $1,000. Now that a 500 GB hard drive is less than $100, what difference does it make? Maybe if you are on dialup and it takes a bit of time to download the message? I for one appreciate having the entire thread in one message rather than having to hunt for the rest of the discussion, which, in my old age, I have already forgotten. That's why a computer is so nice. g I have a 40 GB Eudora folder on my hard drive with 40,000 files (includes all of the attachments to messages, and embedded graphics) collected over five or so years of e-mail, including lots of subscriptions, and it just keeps chuggin' along. At any rate, I sure don't do it with cut and paste. I either select the text to be included and then hit the reply button, or I hit the reply button which quotes all and then delete the irrelevant parts. I don't use cut and paste at all. Do you perhaps copy/paste into a new message? And change the thread/subject? I don't get the picture. Fred Holmes At 04:31 PM 7/25/2008, Rich Schinnell wrote: I think it is about time for cutnpaste 101 again. It really is not that hard to cut and paste the pertinent parts of a CG message to a reply or a new message.. I have seen a one liner response to a 30-60 line quote. Really.. But then I am an Old Fart and getting cranky in my old age.. :) Rich * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
Holy nokia batman I agree with Tom. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not agree with you about their call-in customer service people. I love dealing with T-Mobile over the phone. Wait times are short. They are courteous and efficient. They know their products and make an extra effort to solve problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
My limited (thankfully) experience with T-Mobile was when I bought their service through Amazon. I had decent coverage 3 blocks from my house, less decent 2 blocks from my house and even less service at my house, although their system maps showed my zip code had great coverage. I guess my 50+ year-old wood frame house was too much of an impediment. I did get decent coverage in my bathroom, but I really wanted to be able to use the phone in other rooms too. I had no particular desire to go to Circuit City or Walmart, etc even though I knew I could buy the phone from them. I actually bought it from Amazon and they were great and easy to deal with. The customer service people I spoke with were nice, but they were ineffective and not given authority to actively try to solve problems - besides suggesting power cycling the phone, waving a dead chicken over it, etc. At Day 26, I suggested we replace the phone and they felt that was a good idea, but hadn't suggested that themselves. This was back in 2003, so maybe they've gotten better since then. Their coverage is still lacking out this way so I'm not about to try to find out again. I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on their call-in customer service. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:31 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile? T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. I agree that the T-Mobile stores are terrible, but you can get T-Mobile phones at CCity, Walmart, etc. I do not agree with you about their call-in customer service people. I love dealing with T-Mobile over the phone. Wait times are short. They are courteous and efficient. They know their products and make an extra effort to solve problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
Don't be too surprised.. it does happen every now and then... ;-) -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:59 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile? Holy nokia batman I agree with Tom. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not agree with you about their call-in customer service people. I love dealing with T-Mobile over the phone. Wait times are short. They are courteous and efficient. They know their products and make an extra effort to solve problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CUT AND PASTE. (PLEASE)
Letter writers seemed to be able to muddle through without it for millenia. In the days of quill pens, writers often laboriously copied letters for future reference. That worked well enough for 2-way correspondence, but in a n-way exchange that just doesn't work. Failing to quote is just being a pain, making things harder for everyone else. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CUT AND PASTE. (PLEASE)
Failing to trim quotes and failing to change the subject line have peeved me for years. If there's a page of quotes, I don't usually bother to search around for content hidden at the bottom somewhere. If you want people to see what you have to say, trim the quotes. Or at the very least, top-post. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in a n-way exchange that just doesn't work. Failing to quote is just being a pain, making things harder for everyone else. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Apple's Mobile Mess
Today the press finally announced that the emperor has no clothes. Apple's MobileMe service is a screwed up mess. http://www.nytimes.com/indexes/2008/07/24/technology/circuitsemail/index.ht ml and several others. Back when dot Mac was just a nice add-on service for desktop Macs it didn't matter that much that Apple is terrible at running a cloud service. Now it is central to the functioning of the iPhones and shitty performance won't cut it. I also think that giving dot Mac the heave ho with almost zero notice is very unbusinesslike. Some important dot Mac features did not make it to Mobile Me and anyone who depended on those features got no chance for an orderly migration. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CUT AND PASTE. (PLEASE)
Failing to quote is just being a pain, making things harder for everyone else. Quill pens aside, I agree. A little stick time on USENET will pretty much educate a person in a hurry as to what the consensus standards are. Bottom quoting is for bottom feeders. I believe we have all been taught to read from the top of the page to the bottom of page. There should be a logical flow, it definitely makes the post easier to read and it makes the point that the respondent has at least taken the care to read and edit the post. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
