Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Thank you Mike, Perfect example. Plus I have to ask Tom, while I might not arm a child, did you see anyone mess with him? If you had a gun strapped in a holster like police do, how many people are going to mess with you? Jeff M On Aug 9, 2009, at 10:03 AM, mike wrote: About a week ago I was in a quicktrip getting gas and a drink before work..it was probably 11.30 at night. In front of me was a guy who clearly was a biker, had the whole outfit on including what looked like a nice 9mm at his side. I felt decidedly safer with him there...who is going to rob the quickie mart while he's around? On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:49 AM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: Tom, the gun is not a computer gadget, and a bus is not a car. Also, was that kid the only one who was safe on that bus? Third, were you safer on that bus or walking down the street? Fourth, what kinda gun do you carry? Last, does the computerized aiming mechanism with facial recognition and wifi or wimax database updates from the FBI and Interpol databases run on PC or MAC or is it, as I suspect you are also concealing, a Linux device?? Did you take the same bus to VA to get it at a gun show? If I like what you report, I'll take 2, of course, if the price is right!! -Original Message- From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:57 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Have you ever ridden a bus and had a 14 year old get on with a pistol tucked in his belt? That moment has a lot to do with my opinion on guns. I got off at the next stop and walked the rest of the way home. Are people routinely shot down in the streets of your town? Are people afraid to go out of their houses at night? Do stray shots shatter the windows of your homes while you cower behind the couch? Do you really think that is a good way to live? Do you really think being able to shoot back is going to improve the situation? The more lead we have flying the more innocent people will be killed. Why can't I carry a loaded gun into the Capitol? Pass that law first. Quit the hypocrisy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Wasn't this the argument against the use of calculators? I've been using one for years and still know 2+2=5. On Aug 9, 2009, at 12:34 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:00 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: There is an iphone app that tells you where the speed traps are...populated by users I believe. There is also a marker app that when you dump your car in one of those IKEA like parking lots, you drop a marker from the ipod app. When you come out of the IKEA maze fifteen hours later, GPS and the marker app guide you to your car. Would also be handy for old ladies who wander the parking lots of grocery stores and michaels. I theorize that the more people use such devices instead of their brains, wits and common sense, the more reliant one becomes on those devices and the less useful the brain becomes. Also, would those old ladies, or men, even know how to use an iPhone? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
I've known and feel safer around biker dudes then I ever do around 14 year olds. So Tom's example was an apt one. However, if I had a gun, grandma sitting next to me had a gun and the bus driver had a gun, I'd feel more safe. On Aug 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: About a week ago I was in a quicktrip getting gas and a drink before work..it was probably 11.30 at night. In front of me was a guy who clearly was a biker, had the whole outfit on including what looked like a nice 9mm at his side. I felt decidedly safer with him there...who is going to rob the quickie mart while he's around? He will. And then he'll rob you. Biker dude still makes you feel safe? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
A long list of nothing to do? I have one of those. It drives me nuts trying to get it completed. Jeff M On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Sue Cubic wrote: At 03:34 PM 8/9/2009 -0400, you wrote: I theorize that the more people use such devices instead of their brains, wits and common sense, the more reliant one becomes on those devices and the less useful the brain becomes. Also, would those old ladies, or men, even know how to use an iPhone? Some of us do. :) But I firmly agree that it's easy to become reliant on gadgets. I've become dependent on lists. If I don't have a to-do list anymore, I think I have nothing to do--so I play! It's a very lazy way of living. But don't get in my way when I have a long list! Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
So it's not just the fanatical right who use scare tactics to kill health care reform, it's also the fanatical left who want to scare me out of owning a gun. Being a liberal I can at least shoot strait and don't aim at friends. I also don't shoot quail from cars, or wolves from helicopters. Jeff M On Aug 9, 2009, at 7:08 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: Since I got a DVR from Verizon Fios, I have recorded watched old episodes of Maverick. Everyone (except some females) carry guns on that program and use them profusely. Seems to work for them, so why not for us today? Maybe every walk down a sidewalk -- better said, for today, a drive in my car -- ought to have a gun exchange. Of course I will win since I am the good guy, and besides I need to go to work tomorrow unlike the delinquents who fire at me as on the TV show. Jeff Miles wrote: I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote: Thank you Mike, Perfect example. Plus I have to ask Tom, while I might not arm a child, did you see anyone mess with him? If you had a gun strapped in a holster like police do, how many people are going to mess with you? Boy, I wasn't going to get into this, but now I cannot help it. If most adults, perhaps even adolescents, were to walk around armed with guns, knives, brass knuckles, whatever, and this is presuming that at some future time this could become the case, would associated deaths and injuries be more or less likely to occur than now, and why? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote: I've known and feel safer around biker dudes then I ever do around 14 year olds. So Tom's example was an apt one. However, if I had a gun, grandma sitting next to me had a gun and the bus driver had a gun, I'd feel more safe. So, do you typically go around feeling unsafe and fearful? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
In most any state it is illegal to fire a gun from a car unless you are handicapped. (Then it is definitely illegal to shot at humans.) Hunting from helicopters is reserved for those states that have a big population of animals that need controlling. (although Wisconsin has not done that yet with their over abundant deer population.) Stewart At 05:05 AM 8/11/2009, you wrote: So it's not just the fanatical right who use scare tactics to kill health care reform, it's also the fanatical left who want to scare me out of owning a gun. Being a liberal I can at least shoot strait and don't aim at friends. I also don't shoot quail from cars, or wolves from helicopters. Jeff M Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:55 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Boy, I wasn't going to get into this, but now I cannot help it.\ End of August is always silly season around here. If most adults, perhaps even adolescents, were to walk around armed with guns, knives, brass knuckles, whatever, and this is presuming that at some future time this could become the case, would associated deaths and injuries be more or less likely to occur than now, and why? Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. To say the opposite would require you to take a pro-Apple stand to say that popularity has nothing to do with bad things happening. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Do you apply real logic to ANY argument you make or is it always this weird apple logic? On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:36 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:55 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Boy, I wasn't going to get into this, but now I cannot help it.\ End of August is always silly season around here. If most adults, perhaps even adolescents, were to walk around armed with guns, knives, brass knuckles, whatever, and this is presuming that at some future time this could become the case, would associated deaths and injuries be more or less likely to occur than now, and why? Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. To say the opposite would require you to take a pro-Apple stand to say that popularity has nothing to do with bad things happening. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:36 AM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. Microsoft logic or not, I would agree. Just about every human is already armed with fists, yet fists rarely stop fist fights from happening, and in fact, they cause them to happen. I would have to think that if it came to pass where it was legal for just about everybody to be walking around with loaded guns, that big switch blades, machetes, blackjacks, brass knucks and all sorts of other weapons of destruction would also be legal. After all, guns are more lethal and dangerous than those others, so if guns become okay to pack around, why not less lethal devices? Otherwise, only allowing legal gun toting would be nothing but a sop to the gun lobby and enthusiasts. Why not let the individual choose their own WMD? Who would want government making such decisions for you? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Fists cause them to happen? Does this even make sense? On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: Microsoft logic or not, I would agree. Just about every human is already armed with fists, yet fists rarely stop fist fights from happening, and in fact, they cause them to happen. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Well, yes. But what are you going to do when you're caught in the crossfire when Biker Dude, Bus Driver Dude, and Grandma get in a shootout with Armed Robbery Dude, when he tries to relieve them of their wallets? Which is a stupid thing to do; all the advice I've ever heard [from safety and law-enforcement sources] is to just hand over your wallet to your attacker, on the theory that it's better to lose your money than your life. [They also recommend that you carry a dummy wallet for just such occasions, when visiting questionable neighborhoods.] I don't buy the whole intimidation via citizens-carrying-guns thing. Street criminals are not noted for intelligence, sobriety, and forethought. Will the mugger check you out all that carefully--to see whether or not you have got a gun in a shoulder holster, or in your waistband under your jacket, for example--before demanding your wallet at gun-point? Once he jumps out from behind the dumpster and points a gun at you, it's too late for your firearm to do you any good. If you try to draw it, you're dead. If Stupid Street Criminal discovers that you are armed, and he's got a gun pointed at you, do you think he's just going to take your money and leave you standing there, to shoot HIM as he walks away? He's probably just smart enough to imagine what could happen if he did THAT. Of course, you, as Mr. Lawful Citizen, would then be on the hook for second-degree murder, which would have decidedly unpleasant consequences; but I wouldn't count on Stupid Street Criminal to think of that if he's got a gun pointed at you. And you'd better hope that gun-carrying Biker Dude, Bus Driver Dude, and Grandma are sane, sober, anger-controlled, and at the top of their psychological game 100% of the time. Likewise all the other citizens who are going about their daily business armed, as though they were living on the western frontier in 1880, or in many places in the world today [such as Somalia] that do not have the rule of law. [BTW, in such places, a firearm is not a guarantee of safety. If Armed Robbery Dude, Evil Guerilla Dude, or Army Death Squad Dude even SUSPECT that you are armed, they will shoot first and ask questions later.] --Constance Warner On Aug 11, 2009, at 2:55 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I've known and feel safer around biker dudes then I ever do around 14 year olds. So Tom's example was an apt one. However, if I had a gun, grandma sitting next to me had a gun and the bus driver had a gun, I'd feel more safe. On Aug 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: About a week ago I was in a quicktrip getting gas and a drink before work..it was probably 11.30 at night. In front of me was a guy who clearly was a biker, had the whole outfit on including what looked like a nice 9mm at his side. I felt decidedly safer with him there...who is going to rob the quickie mart while he's around? He will. And then he'll rob you. Biker dude still makes you feel safe? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] price drop?
Appleinsider is reporting that the 32gig zune could be as much as 100 dollars less then the 32gig touch. This could be good news even for MS haters like Tom. Though the zune takes very little market share, this could be enough to push apple into lowering the price of the touch..good news all around. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] price drop?
Appleinsider is reporting that the 32gig zune could be as much as 100 dollars less then the 32gig touch. This could be good news even for MS haters like Tom. Though the zune takes very little market share, this could be enough to push apple into lowering the price of the touch..good news all around. Amazon was showing the price (accidentally, it seems--it's gone now) as $290 for the 32gig, which at the time was $110 under what they were charging for the 32GB Touch ($400). No longer: they've reduced the Touch to $370. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
...bring on the wearable information system with wifi, bluetooth, ham radio, fm, skype, smoke signals, semifour, code talking, telegraphy, fax, and, of course, a built in 9mm berretta!! -Original Message- From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:55 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Boy, I wasn't going to get into this, but now I cannot help it.\ End of August is always silly season around here. If most adults, perhaps even adolescents, were to walk around armed with guns, knives, brass knuckles, whatever, and this is presuming that at some future time this could become the case, would associated deaths and injuries be more or less likely to occur than now, and why? Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. To say the opposite would require you to take a pro-Apple stand to say that popularity has nothing to do with bad things happening. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Little murders (1967) Jules Feiffer ...the primer on all this!! -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote: I've known and feel safer around biker dudes then I ever do around 14 year olds. So Tom's example was an apt one. However, if I had a gun, grandma sitting next to me had a gun and the bus driver had a gun, I'd feel more safe. So, do you typically go around feeling unsafe and fearful? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
WHAT actual stats? Gathered by whom? --Constance Warner On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Mike wrote: All the very logical sounding arguments fall away when measured against actual stats. But the sure sound good. Sent from my iPod On Aug 11, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: Well, yes. But what are you going to do when you're caught in the crossfire when Biker Dude, Bus Driver Dude, and Grandma get in a shootout with Armed Robbery Dude, when he tries to relieve them of their wallets? Which is a stupid thing to do; all the advice I've ever heard [from safety and law-enforcement sources] is to just hand over your wallet to your attacker, on the theory that it's better to lose your money than your life. [They also recommend that you carry a dummy wallet for just such occasions, when visiting questionable neighborhoods.] I don't buy the whole intimidation via citizens-carrying-guns thing. Street criminals are not noted for intelligence, sobriety, and forethought. Will the mugger check you out all that carefully--to see whether or not you have got a gun in a shoulder holster, or in your waistband under your jacket, for example-- before demanding your wallet at gun-point? Once he jumps out from behind the dumpster and points a gun at you, it's too late for your firearm to do you any good. If you try to draw it, you're dead. If Stupid Street Criminal discovers that you are armed, and he's got a gun pointed at you, do you think he's just going to take your money and leave you standing there, to shoot HIM as he walks away? He's probably just smart enough to imagine what could happen if he did THAT. Of course, you, as Mr. Lawful Citizen, would then be on the hook for second-degree murder, which would have decidedly unpleasant consequences; but I wouldn't count on Stupid Street Criminal to think of that if he's got a gun pointed at you. And you'd better hope that gun-carrying Biker Dude, Bus Driver Dude, and Grandma are sane, sober, anger-controlled, and at the top of their psychological game 100% of the time. Likewise all the other citizens who are going about their daily business armed, as though they were living on the western frontier in 1880, or in many places in the world today [such as Somalia] that do not have the rule of law. [BTW, in such places, a firearm is not a guarantee of safety. If Armed Robbery Dude, Evil Guerilla Dude, or Army Death Squad Dude even SUSPECT that you are armed, they will shoot first and ask questions later.] --Constance Warner On Aug 11, 2009, at 2:55 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I've known and feel safer around biker dudes then I ever do around 14 year olds. So Tom's example was an apt one. However, if I had a gun, grandma sitting next to me had a gun and the bus driver had a gun, I'd feel more safe. On Aug 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: About a week ago I was in a quicktrip getting gas and a drink before work..it was probably 11.30 at night. In front of me was a guy who clearly was a biker, had the whole outfit on including what looked like a nice 9mm at his side. I felt decidedly safer with him there...who is going to rob the quickie mart while he's around? He will. And then he'll rob you. Biker dude still makes you feel safe? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
.tjp augering for a nationwide gun law? -Original Message- From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Aug 10, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Bill Wajert wrote: Let's be very clear about one thing. Gun Bans only affect law abiding citizens. Criminals could care less and do not purchase guns legally, even if they could. Not true at all. They buy guns by the dozen, legally (because it is so easy in VA) and then sell them in DC (illegally). Why should they bother to do something illegally when it is so easy to do in legally? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
We should license good citizens to carry guns so that they could shoot back when warranted. You can't take guns away from the criminals. It just won't happen. You can't take drugs away from those who want them. They get them anyway from the black (street) market. There are a lot more unintended consequences than the simplistic argument below would indicate. If you don't allow the good citizen to carry a gun, he won't, and the criminals will know that their victims will always be unarmed. Knowing that, the criminals commit more crime. I stay out of places with strict gun control as much as I possibly can. The crime rate (risk of getting attacked) is much higher in those places. Fred Holmes At 12:21 PM 8/11/2009, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:36 AM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. Microsoft logic or not, I would agree. Just about every human is already armed with fists, yet fists rarely stop fist fights from happening, and in fact, they cause them to happen. I would have to think that if it came to pass where it was legal for just about everybody to be walking around with loaded guns, that big switch blades, machetes, blackjacks, brass knucks and all sorts of other weapons of destruction would also be legal. After all, guns are more lethal and dangerous than those others, so if guns become okay to pack around, why not less lethal devices? Otherwise, only allowing legal gun toting would be nothing but a sop to the gun lobby and enthusiasts. Why not let the individual choose their own WMD? Who would want government making such decisions for you? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:31 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: Fists cause them to happen? Does this even make sense? Maybe not to you, but if no one had fists, there would be no fist fights. If everyone carries guns, there will be gunfights. Simple. I checked this out using my digital FutureScan 2100. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
But gun control only takes guns away from the victims. It doesn't take guns away from the criminals. Fact of life. At 02:34 PM 8/11/2009, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe not to you, but if no one had fists, there would be no fist fights. If everyone carries guns, there will be gunfights. Simple. I checked this out using my digital FutureScan 2100. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Sorry, but I can't resist... So would this mean that they would have wrist fights instead of fist fights??? We could work our way back up the skeleton, eliminating potential weapons of the human body until we get to the root of the real problem. Richard P. Fists cause them to happen? Does this even make sense? Maybe not to you, but if no one had fists, there would be no fist fights. If everyone carries guns, there will be gunfights. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Shoot back? SHOOT BACK? If you're in a shooting match, regardless of the source of the guns or the justice of your cause, your chances of death or serious injury just went up by several thousand per cent. Empowering citizens to shoot back at the bad guys might be justifiable if there were NO cops, NO law, and NO courts. [Actually, we have cops, law, and courts; we're luckier in that respect than they are in many countries in the world today.] But with a shoot back when warranted policy, you're postulating a situation in which amateur, untrained citizens are charge of individualized law enforcement, using lethal force. This is, to put it mildly, a risk management nightmare. I don't know what places with strict gun control you are staying out of. Most parts of Washington, D.C., are safe, in part because there are so many cops--and so many different kinds of cops. They're EVERYWHERE. They even watch out for minor transgressions (like using a tripod without a permit), which is annoying; but at least they're there. And I haven't noticed much gun crime in Montgomery County lately, either, so you could always come here to shop, dine, and enjoy our parks. [In the one exception to this rule--the 2002 snipers--guns carried by honest citizens would not have helped. You can look up the details, if you want to verify this.] --Constance Warner On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: We should license good citizens to carry guns so that they could shoot back when warranted. You can't take guns away from the criminals. It just won't happen. You can't take drugs away from those who want them. They get them anyway from the black (street) market. There are a lot more unintended consequences than the simplistic argument below would indicate. If you don't allow the good citizen to carry a gun, he won't, and the criminals will know that their victims will always be unarmed. Knowing that, the criminals commit more crime. I stay out of places with strict gun control as much as I possibly can. The crime rate (risk of getting attacked) is much higher in those places. Fred Holmes At 12:21 PM 8/11/2009, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:36 AM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. Microsoft logic or not, I would agree. Just about every human is already armed with fists, yet fists rarely stop fist fights from happening, and in fact, they cause them to happen. I would have to think that if it came to pass where it was legal for just about everybody to be walking around with loaded guns, that big switch blades, machetes, blackjacks, brass knucks and all sorts of other weapons of destruction would also be legal. After all, guns are more lethal and dangerous than those others, so if guns become okay to pack around, why not less lethal devices? Otherwise, only allowing legal gun toting would be nothing but a sop to the gun lobby and enthusiasts. Why not let the individual choose their own WMD? Who would want government making such decisions for you? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
I have a question. If guns are such a menace, why do we require cops to carry them? And please don't use the excuse they're trained to use them. I'm thinking of the 49 shots at the guy in New York where only 17 hit. And he was cornered in a porch. Jeff M On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:18 AM, TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:13 AM, Constance Warner wrote: I'm afraid that my co-worker had kind of unrealistic mental pictures of just how this kind of scene would play out in real life, and how useful--and practical--a firearm would be. His rescue fantasies probably wouldn't rescue anybody and would be more likely to get himself and maybe others killed. That seems to be a consistent con/neocon affliction. They attack countries believing the populace will rush them with flowers. They manage the economy believing the money will never run out. They manage healthcare believing that illness and old age are things that only happen to other people. They manage guns with a Walter Mitty view of life. I just BlindSearched walter mitty and was most impressed with Google. There was spam in the Yahoo column. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] way way way off topic..guns, not for the feint of heart, don't click and complain! :) was: computer gadgets in cars
You can pull one case to back your argument about anything. If you really want to look at the issue try John Lott's book. http://tinyurl.com/pgmqx4 On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: Shoot back? SHOOT BACK? If you're in a shooting match, regardless of the source of the guns or the justice of your cause, your chances of death or serious injury just went up by several thousand per cent. Empowering citizens to shoot back at the bad guys might be justifiable if there were NO cops, NO law, and NO courts. [Actually, we have cops, law, and courts; we're luckier in that respect than they are in many countries in the world today.] But with a shoot back when warranted policy, you're postulating a situation in which amateur, untrained citizens are charge of individualized law enforcement, using lethal force. This is, to put it mildly, a risk management nightmare. I don't know what places with strict gun control you are staying out of. Most parts of Washington, D.C., are safe, in part because there are so many cops--and so many different kinds of cops. They're EVERYWHERE. They even watch out for minor transgressions (like using a tripod without a permit), which is annoying; but at least they're there. And I haven't noticed much gun crime in Montgomery County lately, either, so you could always come here to shop, dine, and enjoy our parks. [In the one exception to this rule--the 2002 snipers--guns carried by honest citizens would not have helped. You can look up the details, if you want to verify this.] --Constance Warner On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: We should license good citizens to carry guns so that they could shoot back when warranted. You can't take guns away from the criminals. It just won't happen. You can't take drugs away from those who want them. They get them anyway from the black (street) market. There are a lot more unintended consequences than the simplistic argument below would indicate. If you don't allow the good citizen to carry a gun, he won't, and the criminals will know that their victims will always be unarmed. Knowing that, the criminals commit more crime. I stay out of places with strict gun control as much as I possibly can. The crime rate (risk of getting attacked) is much higher in those places. Fred Holmes At 12:21 PM 8/11/2009, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:36 AM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. Microsoft logic or not, I would agree. Just about every human is already armed with fists, yet fists rarely stop fist fights from happening, and in fact, they cause them to happen. I would have to think that if it came to pass where it was legal for just about everybody to be walking around with loaded guns, that big switch blades, machetes, blackjacks, brass knucks and all sorts of other weapons of destruction would also be legal. After all, guns are more lethal and dangerous than those others, so if guns become okay to pack around, why not less lethal devices? Otherwise, only allowing legal gun toting would be nothing but a sop to the gun lobby and enthusiasts. Why not let the individual choose their own WMD? Who would want government making such decisions for you? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Quoting phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com: I would have to think that if it came to pass where it was legal for just about everybody to be walking around with loaded guns, that big switch blades, machetes, blackjacks, brass knucks and all sorts of other weapons of destruction would also be legal. After all, guns are more lethal and dangerous than those others, so if guns become okay to pack around, why not less lethal devices? Otherwise, only allowing legal gun toting would be nothing but a sop to the gun lobby and enthusiasts. Why not let the individual choose their own WMD? Who would want government making such decisions for you? And I would say that any jurisdiction that allows gun-toting citizens should take down all the metal detectors around their state houses and court houses. If I can go into a Microsoft store packing, why not the court house? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Correcting disk geometry
I have what appears to be a disk geometry error. I am migrating from a 100GB Fujitsu notebook drive to a 500GB Western Digital. I made an export/backup image using Acronis, switched the drives, and reloaded the old image to the new 500GB drive. That part works fine - the partitions and everything look good. However, I cannot extend the filesystem on the new drive beyond 100G because the system says there is nothing there. I have used a number of tools to see what's going on (Partition Magic, parted, Linux fdisk, cfdisk, Raneesh Part Mgr) and they all report 100GB. testdisk reports that there are hidden sectors (lots of them...) but provides no apparent method of recovering them. An attempt to install Red Hat or Win XP doesn't see the additional missing sectors either. I wonder if the Acronis restore overwrote the disk geometry info, and if so, how can this be corrected? Is this in track 0? Or the MBR? Of if indeed disk geometry is even the problem? Since the disk is new and the data is safe, I can do pretty much anything with it in the way of recovery, such as formats and zero-fills. Any help, gentle pointers, or painful hind-side kicks will be appreciated. ..jeff * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-R, Music CD-R
Is there any difference among all these cd formats to copy music from iTunes? I mean, I understand CD-Rs can only be used once, CD-RWs can be rewritten, but what makes a Music CD-R a MUSIC CD-R? If there are differences, anyone care to recommend brand(s)? With thanks in advance ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
You just contradicted yourself. They do it legally and then do it illegally? By this I refer to buy and sell. He's either a criminal or he's not. There's no half legal. And this coming from someone scared to death about even talking about coping things on the list. Jeff M On Aug 10, 2009, at 3:20 PM, TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 10, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Bill Wajert wrote: Let's be very clear about one thing. Gun Bans only affect law abiding citizens. Criminals could care less and do not purchase guns legally, even if they could. Not true at all. They buy guns by the dozen, legally (because it is so easy in VA) and then sell them in DC (illegally). Why should they bother to do something illegally when it is so easy to do in legally? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
The potential for a citizen to shoot back is a _very big deterrent_. Crime rates go down. Trained citizens will do very well shooting back. Takes a lot of training. Some will do it. Cops, law and courts are all too late. The bad guy has already taken your money and maybe your life. Don't license untrained individuals (I presume that's what you mean by amateurs). But don't require a person to be a paid police officer in order to carry a gun. Fred Holmes At 04:38 PM 8/11/2009, Constance Warner wrote: Shoot back? SHOOT BACK? If you're in a shooting match, regardless of the source of the guns or the justice of your cause, your chances of death or serious injury just went up by several thousand per cent. Empowering citizens to shoot back at the bad guys might be justifiable if there were NO cops, NO law, and NO courts. [Actually, we have cops, law, and courts; we're luckier in that respect than they are in many countries in the world today.] But with a shoot back when warranted policy, you're postulating a situation in which amateur, untrained citizens are charge of individualized law enforcement, using lethal force. This is, to put it mildly, a risk management nightmare. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Cops aren't there to protect you, they are there to clean up the mess after. On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: The potential for a citizen to shoot back is a _very big deterrent_. Crime rates go down. Trained citizens will do very well shooting back. Takes a lot of training. Some will do it. Cops, law and courts are all too late. The bad guy has already taken your money and maybe your life. Don't license untrained individuals (I presume that's what you mean by amateurs). But don't require a person to be a paid police officer in order to carry a gun. Fred Holmes At 04:38 PM 8/11/2009, Constance Warner wrote: Shoot back? SHOOT BACK? If you're in a shooting match, regardless of the source of the guns or the justice of your cause, your chances of death or serious injury just went up by several thousand per cent. Empowering citizens to shoot back at the bad guys might be justifiable if there were NO cops, NO law, and NO courts. [Actually, we have cops, law, and courts; we're luckier in that respect than they are in many countries in the world today.] But with a shoot back when warranted policy, you're postulating a situation in which amateur, untrained citizens are charge of individualized law enforcement, using lethal force. This is, to put it mildly, a risk management nightmare. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Correcting disk geometry
How old is the notebook computer? Older hard drive controllers had the number of bits allocated for Logical Block Access to be 28 (?), limiting the size of the hard drive to 128 GB. There have been various controller limits over time. There are various sneaky ways to get around this but it involves loading drivers before they normally load. It generally involves some sort of special modification to the Master Boot Record of the large drive. The drive manufacturer generally has software for doing this. Fred Holmes At 05:50 PM 8/11/2009, Jack wrote: I have what appears to be a disk geometry error. I am migrating from a 100GB Fujitsu notebook drive to a 500GB Western Digital. I made an export/backup image using Acronis, switched the drives, and reloaded the old image to the new 500GB drive. That part works fine - the partitions and everything look good. However, I cannot extend the filesystem on the new drive beyond 100G because the system says there is nothing there. I have used a number of tools to see what's going on (Partition Magic, parted, Linux fdisk, cfdisk, Raneesh Part Mgr) and they all report 100GB. testdisk reports that there are hidden sectors (lots of them...) but provides no apparent method of recovering them. An attempt to install Red Hat or Win XP doesn't see the additional missing sectors either. I wonder if the Acronis restore overwrote the disk geometry info, and if so, how can this be corrected? Is this in track 0? Or the MBR? Of if indeed disk geometry is even the problem? Since the disk is new and the data is safe, I can do pretty much anything with it in the way of recovery, such as formats and zero-fills. Any help, gentle pointers, or painful hind-side kicks will be appreciated. ...jeff * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Correcting disk geometry
Yes, first I would want to make sure you can access the whole drive in it's bare state. Both from another machine, and from that one. That will at least tell you the drive is okay. So format. Then it just becomes a question of restoring the image. If you can't restore it to the 500gb partition, try partitioning to 100g/400g and restoring it to the new 100g. PS Even as we speak, I'm trying to upgrade my system drive (Vista32) and I haven't jumped through so many hoops since Win98. In fact, what's really depressing is that half the web searches I do on various errors eventually lead to old fdisk instructions! :) On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Jackjwz...@gmail.com wrote: I have what appears to be a disk geometry error. I am migrating from a 100GB Fujitsu notebook drive to a 500GB Western Digital. I made an export/backup image using Acronis, switched the drives, and reloaded the old image to the new 500GB drive. That part works fine - the partitions and everything look good. However, I cannot extend the filesystem on the new drive beyond 100G because the system says there is nothing there. I have used a number of tools to see what's going on (Partition Magic, parted, Linux fdisk, cfdisk, Raneesh Part Mgr) and they all report 100GB. testdisk reports that there are hidden sectors (lots of them...) but provides no apparent method of recovering them. An attempt to install Red Hat or Win XP doesn't see the additional missing sectors either. I wonder if the Acronis restore overwrote the disk geometry info, and if so, how can this be corrected? Is this in track 0? Or the MBR? Of if indeed disk geometry is even the problem? Since the disk is new and the data is safe, I can do pretty much anything with it in the way of recovery, such as formats and zero-fills. Any help, gentle pointers, or painful hind-side kicks will be appreciated. ..jeff * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] off topic nonsense
Yes, this explains why the crime rates are so high in countries where guns are harder to get. If we could just arm everyone, our crime rate would virtually disappear. Utopia. It's so easy, why don't more people see it? On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote: The potential for a citizen to shoot back is a _very big deterrent_. Crime rates go down. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
This is what amazes me. There are people out there who think by banning guns criminals will start abiding by the law. They are called criminals for a reason. But what I've seen in the 46 years on the planet is a desire to criminalize everything and make criminals out of almost everyone. Look at US jail stats if you question this. Jeff M On Aug 10, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: Is that for booze or guns or both? Guns. Booze is more heavily regulated in VA than guns. VA has preemption, which means that state law trumps local ordinances. That means you can carry say a handgun on your belt as long as it is visible, even in say downtown Arlington or a Crystal City mall. You might get a few questions from the police, but they can't arrest you for doing it. Is there any law about carrying a gun while sloshed? There are pretty stringent laws about drunk in public, I imagine if you were carrying a gun under those circumstances you'd get arrested PDQ. VA is a remarkably safe place compared to DC, and not a lot of people practice open carry. The folks that do carry normally have concealed weapons permits, which are not impossible to get but do require thorough background checks and some considerable hours of approved training. Since DC v. Heller, it's legal to keep (but not to bear) firearms in DC. But the requirements to do so are extensive and complex, most people don't want to jump through the hoops to do it. Much less have their name on a short police list. Do I trust the government? No. Am I going to piss off the government? No. Do the criminals care about any of this? No. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] off topic nonsense
Yes, this explains why the crime rates are so high in countries where guns are harder to get. If we could just arm everyone, our crime rate would virtually disappear. Utopia. It's so easy, why don't more people see it? I've avoided this discussion, but... The key statistic is the murder rate, not the crime rate. The US murder rate is ten times Japan's. We have the highest murder rate of any developed country, unless you count Russia. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Correcting disk geometry
It is very possible it was the way that you did the restore, but it is also possible that your laptop recognizes nothing larger than 100GB. Stewart At 04:50 PM 8/11/2009, you wrote: I have what appears to be a disk geometry error. I am migrating from a 100GB Fujitsu notebook drive to a 500GB Western Digital. I made an export/backup image using Acronis, switched the drives, and reloaded the old image to the new 500GB drive. That part works fine - the partitions and everything look good. However, I cannot extend the filesystem on the new drive beyond 100G because the system says there is nothing there. I have used a number of tools to see what's going on (Partition Magic, parted, Linux fdisk, cfdisk, Raneesh Part Mgr) and they all report 100GB. testdisk reports that there are hidden sectors (lots of them...) but provides no apparent method of recovering them. An attempt to install Red Hat or Win XP doesn't see the additional missing sectors either. I wonder if the Acronis restore overwrote the disk geometry info, and if so, how can this be corrected? Is this in track 0? Or the MBR? Of if indeed disk geometry is even the problem? Since the disk is new and the data is safe, I can do pretty much anything with it in the way of recovery, such as formats and zero-fills. Any help, gentle pointers, or painful hind-side kicks will be appreciated. ..jeff Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Nope, but then again, I don't live in DC. On Aug 11, 2009, at 4:57 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote: I've known and feel safer around biker dudes then I ever do around 14 year olds. So Tom's example was an apt one. However, if I had a gun, grandma sitting next to me had a gun and the bus driver had a gun, I'd feel more safe. So, do you typically go around feeling unsafe and fearful? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] price drop?
Appleinsider is reporting that the 32gig zune could be as much as 100 dollars less then the 32gig touch. This could be good news even for MS haters like Tom. Though the zune takes very little market share, this could be enough to push apple into lowering the price of the touch..good news all around. Good to see that someone has beaten some sense into the marketing trolls at MS finally. It was a mistake to position the Zune at the same price point as the iPod. You don't take on the 8000 lb, firmly entrenched gorilla with only an FM radio and the undefined and untested social to differentiate your product. The social was a mega-flop, so at least they'll compete directly with something near and dear to Apple's heart: profit margins. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
And, DC is code for? Tell you what: you carry your gun, grandma carries her gun, the legislator next door carries his gun, and we all go into DC and show people what real is real. Got my gun. Happiness is... --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: From: Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:17 PM Nope, but then again, I don't live in DC. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Direct Current? Stewart At 07:46 PM 8/11/2009, you wrote: And, DC is code for? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Blob fights? On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:20 PM, Richard P. wrote: Sorry, but I can't resist... So would this mean that they would have wrist fights instead of fist fights??? We could work our way back up the skeleton, eliminating potential weapons of the human body until we get to the root of the real problem. Richard P. Fists cause them to happen? Does this even make sense? Maybe not to you, but if no one had fists, there would be no fist fights. If everyone carries guns, there will be gunfights. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] off topic nonsense
I think this has to do with a lot of different things. One being a mesh of ideologies here in the states. Another being what's actually being reported in other countries. Also population, even though I know someone is going to bring up percentage. From what I've seen, the denser the population, the higher the crime rate. I think it might be a building frustration/rage thing. You'd think the more neighbors you had, the more neighbors you'd know. But it seems to be just the opposite. Instead, the more neighbors you have, the more people you end up hating. Jeff M On Aug 11, 2009, at 4:10 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Yes, this explains why the crime rates are so high in countries where guns are harder to get. If we could just arm everyone, our crime rate would virtually disappear. Utopia. It's so easy, why don't more people see it? I've avoided this discussion, but... The key statistic is the murder rate, not the crime rate. The US murder rate is ten times Japan's. We have the highest murder rate of any developed country, unless you count Russia. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
On Aug 11, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Constance Warner wrote: Shoot back? SHOOT BACK? If you're in a shooting match, regardless of the source of the guns or the justice of your cause, your chances of death or serious injury just went up by several thousand per cent. Empowering citizens to shoot back at the bad guys might be justifiable if there were NO cops, NO law, and NO courts. [Actually, we have cops, law, and courts; we're luckier in that respect than they are in many countries in the world today.] But with a shoot back when warranted policy, you're postulating a situation in which amateur, untrained citizens are charge of individualized law enforcement, using lethal force. This is, to put it mildly, a risk management nightmare. But you are being logical. That doe not have much currency in this debate. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:21 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I would have to think that if it came to pass where it was legal for just about everybody to be walking around with loaded guns, that big switch blades, machetes, blackjacks, brass knucks and all sorts of other weapons of destruction would also be legal. After all, guns are more lethal and dangerous than those others, so if guns become okay to pack around, why not less lethal devices? Otherwise, only allowing legal gun toting would be nothing but a sop to the gun lobby and enthusiasts. Why not let the individual choose their own WMD? Who would want government making such decisions for you? Think about arriving in a town where everybody is armed to the teeth. What do you think about such a place? The word lawless comes to mind. Far from civilization. Perhaps you are in one of the tribal territories of Pakistan? Afghanistan? A town in the middle of the Amazon? The Wind West? Certainly not a place where one would want to raise a family. The gun nuts want to turn the clock back on civilization. Take us back to a time when life was short, brutal, and ugly. No I won't go along with that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-R, Music CD-R
On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:08 PM, One Man wrote: Is there any difference among all these cd formats to copy music from iTunes? I mean, I understand CD-Rs can only be used once, CD- RWs can be rewritten, but what makes a Music CD-R a MUSIC CD-R? If there are differences, anyone care to recommend brand(s)? With thanks in advance ... You are supposed to use a Music CD for music. The price of the media includes a surcharge that is paid to the recording industry. No I'm not kidding. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] price drop?
On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:30 PM, mike wrote: Appleinsider is reporting that the 32gig zune could be as much as 100 dollars less then the 32gig touch. This could be good news even for MS haters like Tom. Though the zune takes very little market share, this could be enough to push apple into lowering the price of the touch..good news all around. Did I not already say the Zune HD needs to go for $99 to have a chance. It can be like the XBox, M$ can lose money on every unit sold and make it up in volume. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
