[CGUYS] Google Desktop/Chrome: what information is shared with the mother ship?

2008-09-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Google Chrome EULA has many privacy issues that may affect state 
agencies.  But these could be issues for businesses as well.  I recall a 
similar issue with the Desktop program which after replacing the very 
nice and non-evil Deskbar search basically mapped your computer and any 
connected servers (with company/organization/agency data on them) if you 
let it.  Many users allow it to do this without any concern and the IT 
people have to gauge how vigilant to be regarding this usage.  Any sense 
about the extent of the information mapped that is transmitted back to 
google - is all of it?  Does the browser have any of the same issues 
considering that as I understand it Google used an old version of WebKit 
and Chrome is full of security holes.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/topic/Google+Chrome.html

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Re: [CGUYS] Google Desktop/Chrome: what information is shared with the mother ship?

2008-09-07 Thread mike
Yeah, Google came out and said that part about owning your house if you
upload a picture of it with chrome was not something that was going to stay.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080903-google-on-chrome-eula-controversy-our-bad-well-change-it.html

Mike

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Google Chrome EULA has many privacy issues that may affect state
 agencies.  But these could be issues for businesses as well.  I recall a
 similar issue with the Desktop program which after replacing the very nice
 and non-evil Deskbar search basically mapped your computer and any connected
 servers (with company/organization/agency data on them) if you let it.  Many
 users allow it to do this without any concern and the IT people have to
 gauge how vigilant to be regarding this usage.  Any sense about the extent
 of the information mapped that is transmitted back to google - is all of it?
  Does the browser have any of the same issues considering that as I
 understand it Google used an old version of WebKit and Chrome is full of
 security holes.
 http://blogs.zdnet.com/topic/Google+Chrome.html

 Regarding the EULA:
 You retain copyright and any other rights that you already hold in Content
 that you submit, post or display on or through the Services. By submitting,
 posting or displaying the content, you give Google a perpetual,
 irrevocable,
 worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt,
 modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and
 distribute any Content that you submit, post or display on or through the
 Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to
 display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain
 Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.


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Re: [CGUYS] Google desktop

2007-05-24 Thread b_s-wilk

 Have you tried EasyFind? www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware


Don't like it. Slow. Not enough choices. None of them could find the 
chocolate chip cookie recipe in the system.


Of course. This is not a good tool for searching file contents as it does 
not index files beforehand. It is great for the purpose we were 
discussing: finding file names.


None of the search tools could find exactly what I wanted quickly 
without having to muddle through a big list of irrelevant results. None 
of the tools could search the system without first using Safari 
[Location = file:///usr... etc.] to open some of the invisible folders 
and add to the sidebar, or using OnyX.


Yes, EasyFind finds file names, but it's much slower than the others. 
It's so slow that it's like browsing on dialup.




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Re: [CGUYS] Google desktop

2007-05-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
None of the search tools could find exactly what I wanted quickly 
without having to muddle through a big list of irrelevant results. None 
of the tools could search the system without first using Safari 
[Location = file:///usr... etc.] to open some of the invisible folders 
and add to the sidebar, or using OnyX.

Why would you be searching in invisible folders. The invisible 
folders are well structured so if you know what you are doing you should 
know exactly where the file you need resides. If you don't know that, 
then you probably don't know enough to be mucking with those files.

I don't get what Safari (a web browser) has to do with any of this.

Yes, EasyFind finds file names, but it's much slower than the others. 
It's so slow that it's like browsing on dialup.

Not always. If a file is indexed then programs with pre-built indices 
will of course be faster. If you have no index or an indexing problem 
then EasyFind is much faster. Many who dislike the user interface of 
Spotlight or Google, do like EasyFind. It all depends...



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Re: [CGUYS] Google desktop

2007-05-23 Thread b_s-wilk
Google Desktop has been a problem.  Soon after installation, 
Google Desktop use up to 99% of my CPU for searching the same 
file for a day or more: a graphics file.


Can you restrict what Google Desktop indexes to a particular set of 
files or set of directories? I know I can with Apple Spotlight. Maybe

 Google does this too?


Google can do advanced searches, but it's very cumbersome and annoying.
The results are messy. I hate Spotlight because its defaults are stupid.
I use the Find command in the Finder. I still need to select the
parameters, and that's a pain. I'm looking for a way to set the defaults
to find by name. I've usually been able to find just about anything by
name and often by date. Including related file types with names that
have nothing to do with what I want before I choose that parameter is
just a PITA.

Can I take the old Find app from 10.3 and make it work in 10.4? It
could find anything better, faster than Spotlight, et al. With Find
you have to turn on the extra features instead of turning them off.
Worse, yet, I can't search for anything inside the system folder without
first using Safari to reveal the invisible folders.

None of the searches, least of all Google Desktop can find things well.
And you have to search through the excess results to find what you were
trying to find in the first place!

I hate to be relegated to using the Terminal when a good GUI should be
available.

Betty



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Re: [CGUYS] Google desktop

2007-05-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
Can I take the old Find app from 10.3 and make it work in 10.4? It
could find anything better, faster than Spotlight, et al. With Find
you have to turn on the extra features instead of turning them off.
Worse, yet, I can't search for anything inside the system folder without
first using Safari to reveal the invisible folders.

Have you tried EasyFind? www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware



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Re: [CGUYS] Google desktop

2007-05-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
 Have you tried EasyFind? www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware

Don't like it. Slow. Not enough choices. None of them could find the 
chocolate chip cookie recipe in the system.

Of course. This is not a good tool for searching file contents as it does 
not index files beforehand. It is great for the purpose we were 
discussing: finding file names.

Like you should not use a screwdriver to drive in nails.



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Re: [CGUYS] Google desktop

2007-05-22 Thread Tom Piwowar
Google Desktop has been a problem.  Soon after installation, Google 
Desktop use up to 99% of my CPU for searching the same file for a day or 
more: a graphics file.

Can you restrict what Google Desktop indexes to a particular set of files 
or set of directories? I know I can with Apple Spotlight. Maybe Google 
does this too?



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Re: [CGUYS] Google desktop

2007-05-22 Thread Tony B

Sort of. Preferences allows you to exclude specified files  folders.



Can you restrict what Google Desktop indexes to a particular set of files
or set of directories? I know I can with Apple Spotlight. Maybe Google
does this too?




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Re: [CGUYS] Google desktop

2007-05-22 Thread Robert

This is a fair question.  Since you ask, I will answer.

I have a LOT of software on my PC computer and I use most of it 
frequently.  The software includes mathematical  engineering design 
programs, graphics design, video editing, music composition, CD  DVD 
burning and ripping software, and many other kinds.  Perhaps 150 or more 
application suites are there.


For example, I often make concert programs in WordPerfect for symphony 
orchestras and other groups, such as quartets.  I research the composer 
 the musical work and then write program notes about the works, saving 
each as a file with filename identifying the group and date.  Now, 
suppose that the same composer or same work is to be performed a year or 
two later by a different group: I would like to find the notes of the 
earlier concert program instead of researching from scratch.  Thus, I 
need a search program that will find all earlier text in WordPerfect (or 
anywhere else).  So far, Windows search function is slow and unreliable 
for this purpose. 

This is why I tried Google Desktop.  It has a plugin for WordPerfect.  
For some reason, it uses 99% of my CPU if left for a few hours 
regardless of whether the WP plugin is installed.  I have un-installed it. 


Tony B wrote:

But I just gotta ask: What is it you do that you need to do these
searches so much? I think I might do a search like this once a year,
which is why I'm dragging my feet reinstalling a desktop searcher
right now. I mean, it's not like you can't do the search in Windows.






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[CGUYS] Google desktop

2007-05-21 Thread Robert
Recently I had to delete the registry entry for WordPerfect on my PC and 
reinstall same.  When the new installation (including the new X3, so 
named because it is version 13 that superstition won't allow) my ability 
to search WP files for text strings was no more.  The WP newsgroup said 
that this ability is not included with an OEM version of WP, but it 
seemed to carry over from an earlier full version that I had installed 
before getting the newer OEM version.  Instead, the WP newsgroup 
suggested to install Google Destop as an alternative.  There is a 
plug-in to make text in WordPerfect files available for Google Desktop 
search.


Google Desktop has been a problem.  Soon after installation, Google 
Desktop use up to 99% of my CPU for searching the same file for a day or 
more: a graphics file.  I contacted Google help, which told me which 
file was at fault and asked me to send same to them.  No reply after 
doing so.  I deleted the graphics file.  For several days Google Desktop 
ran OK but now it once again is taking large portions of CPU.  I have 
uninstalled it now.


Does anyone else know of a similar program for Google Desktop?  The real 
reason that I want this kind of program is to replace the text search 
for WordPerfect. 

If necessary, I will uninstall WP and reinstall from version 5 to the 
latest version in hopes of getting somehow the search facility back, but 
this is likely to take two days or more of my time.




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Re: [CGUYS] Google desktop

2007-05-21 Thread Tony B

I dunno the answer; I've used several desktop search apps and never
had much trouble. The last I used was the freeware X1
(http://www.x1.com/); I never heard they had an X3 version (or a 13th
version for that matter!).

But I just gotta ask: What is it you do that you need to do these
searches so much? I think I might do a search like this once a year,
which is why I'm dragging my feet reinstalling a desktop searcher
right now. I mean, it's not like you can't do the search in Windows.



If necessary, I will uninstall WP and reinstall from version 5 to the
latest version in hopes of getting somehow the search facility back, but
this is likely to take two days or more of my time.




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