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FDR??? Herbert Hoover is closer to the mark for that one. But methinks, hiding in shrubbery, is a President who might be named that is more contemporary. OK, maybe choosing FDR is a satirical poke at someone's belief. Matthew Taylor wrote: FDR On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, who was this last President who totaled our economy? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Oh, do get real. In the 1930's, there was 25% unemployment [much higher in some places], starvation, ecological collapse, foreign wars on the horizon, large numbers of internally displaced people, native fascism, a growing U.S. communist party [partly supported by the Soviet Union], and an incipient class war. Working conditions in some places in this country [like my home state] were basically Early Industrial Revolution--and, if you examine the history, it really was as bad as you think. Things were going to hell very, very fast, and it took drastic action to drag the country back from the brink. Complete recovery took awhile, but the early measures did help. The New Deal saved the country from a lot worse situation than we have at present. In fact, FDR's most notable achievement may have been saving capitalism; to a lot of people at the time, communism and similar systems were looking pretty good, compared to the mess that they blamed, rightly or wrongly, on laissez-faire capitalism and Wall Street speculators. (And no cracks about communism is what we have now, please. As an amateur Kremlinologist with a special interest in the satellite countries--remember them?--I know the difference, and so do you.) I'm a little chagrined that I let myself get baited into joining the fray. I just have to believe that the statements about FDR ruining the economy are something in the matter of a joke, or at least an exaggeration. But in my home state, the scars of the Great Depression are still visible, so I don't think it's particularly funny. And as for worship: I don't care who worships what, really. I'm actually more concerned about exaggerations and outright lies about programs like the cash for clunkers program and other proposals of this administration. I won't even speculate about the motives of people who lie and exaggerate, because they're sufficiently evident not to need further exposition here. The economy may be in better shape than it was last fall, and some of the current programs seem to be having some effect. But the chances are NOT ZERO that we could still have another Great Depression; and certain news [sic] reporters, by trying to tear down any Democratic program they see, and in particular by lying about those programs, seem to be pushing us toward the edge of the cliff. --Constance Warner On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: Reverend; If you don't think FDR is worshiped by many you are not paying attention. Matthew On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: There are differences between shines and monuments/memorials. One is for the purposes of remembrance one is for the purpose of worship. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This is a truly exceptional post, Constance. I could not find a snippet to quote that was any less relevant or important than any other, so I am doing something I never do: quoting the whole thing. Well done. -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Constance Warner Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:55 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab Oh, do get real. In the 1930's, there was 25% unemployment [much higher in some places], starvation, ecological collapse, foreign wars on the horizon, large numbers of internally displaced people, native fascism, a growing U.S. communist party [partly supported by the Soviet Union], and an incipient class war. Working conditions in some places in this country [like my home state] were basically Early Industrial Revolution--and, if you examine the history, it really was as bad as you think. Things were going to hell very, very fast, and it took drastic action to drag the country back from the brink. Complete recovery took awhile, but the early measures did help. The New Deal saved the country from a lot worse situation than we have at present. In fact, FDR's most notable achievement may have been saving capitalism; to a lot of people at the time, communism and similar systems were looking pretty good, compared to the mess that they blamed, rightly or wrongly, on laissez-faire capitalism and Wall Street speculators. (And no cracks about communism is what we have now, please. As an amateur Kremlinologist with a special interest in the satellite countries--remember them?--I know the difference, and so do you.) I'm a little chagrined that I let myself get baited into joining the fray. I just have to believe that the statements about FDR ruining the economy are something in the matter of a joke, or at least an exaggeration. But in my home state, the scars of the Great Depression are still visible, so I don't think it's particularly funny. And as for worship: I don't care who worships what, really. I'm actually more concerned about exaggerations and outright lies about programs like the cash for clunkers program and other proposals of this administration. I won't even speculate about the motives of people who lie and exaggerate, because they're sufficiently evident not to need further exposition here. The economy may be in better shape than it was last fall, and some of the current programs seem to be having some effect. But the chances are NOT ZERO that we could still have another Great Depression; and certain news [sic] reporters, by trying to tear down any Democratic program they see, and in particular by lying about those programs, seem to be pushing us toward the edge of the cliff. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Might want to read The Forgotten Man for another view that isn't about attacking or defending, but simply listing out facts and letting conclusions be drawn by the reader. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: This is a truly exceptional post, Constance. I could not find a snippet to quote that was any less relevant or important than any other, so I am doing something I never do: quoting the whole thing. Well done. -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto: computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Constance Warner Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:55 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab Oh, do get real. In the 1930's, there was 25% unemployment [much higher in some places], starvation, ecological collapse, foreign wars on the horizon, large numbers of internally displaced people, native fascism, a growing U.S. communist party [partly supported by the Soviet Union], and an incipient class war. Working conditions in some places in this country [like my home state] were basically Early Industrial Revolution--and, if you examine the history, it really was as bad as you think. Things were going to hell very, very fast, and it took drastic action to drag the country back from the brink. Complete recovery took awhile, but the early measures did help. The New Deal saved the country from a lot worse situation than we have at present. In fact, FDR's most notable achievement may have been saving capitalism; to a lot of people at the time, communism and similar systems were looking pretty good, compared to the mess that they blamed, rightly or wrongly, on laissez-faire capitalism and Wall Street speculators. (And no cracks about communism is what we have now, please. As an amateur Kremlinologist with a special interest in the satellite countries--remember them?--I know the difference, and so do you.) I'm a little chagrined that I let myself get baited into joining the fray. I just have to believe that the statements about FDR ruining the economy are something in the matter of a joke, or at least an exaggeration. But in my home state, the scars of the Great Depression are still visible, so I don't think it's particularly funny. And as for worship: I don't care who worships what, really. I'm actually more concerned about exaggerations and outright lies about programs like the cash for clunkers program and other proposals of this administration. I won't even speculate about the motives of people who lie and exaggerate, because they're sufficiently evident not to need further exposition here. The economy may be in better shape than it was last fall, and some of the current programs seem to be having some effect. But the chances are NOT ZERO that we could still have another Great Depression; and certain news [sic] reporters, by trying to tear down any Democratic program they see, and in particular by lying about those programs, seem to be pushing us toward the edge of the cliff. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Why would you suppose I am not being serious (real)? FDR (and his allies) dealt a mortal blow to our system of a limited government of enumerated powers. His economic policies whipsawed private enterprise, badly hampering any ability to plan long term and thus to re-invest in the economy when they don't know the rules or have any confidence that the rules will not suddenly and arbitrarily change. He took a bad situation and made it worse, and only the wartime build up put the economy back to work, and the post war boom was the result not of his earlier actions, but a function of being the only industrial power still standing. Matthew On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:55 AM, Constance Warner wrote: Oh, do get real. In the 1930's, there was 25% unemployment [much higher in some places], starvation, ecological collapse, foreign wars on the horizon, large numbers of internally displaced people, native fascism, a growing U.S. communist party [partly supported by the Soviet Union], and an incipient class war. Working conditions in some places in this country [like my home state] were basically Early Industrial Revolution--and, if you examine the history, it really was as bad as you think. Things were going to hell very, very fast, and it took drastic action to drag the country back from the brink. Complete recovery took awhile, but the early measures did help. The New Deal saved the country from a lot worse situation than we have at present. In fact, FDR's most notable achievement may have been saving capitalism; to a lot of people at the time, communism and similar systems were looking pretty good, compared to the mess that they blamed, rightly or wrongly, on laissez-faire capitalism and Wall Street speculators. (And no cracks about communism is what we have now, please. As an amateur Kremlinologist with a special interest in the satellite countries--remember them?--I know the difference, and so do you.) I'm a little chagrined that I let myself get baited into joining the fray. I just have to believe that the statements about FDR ruining the economy are something in the matter of a joke, or at least an exaggeration. But in my home state, the scars of the Great Depression are still visible, so I don't think it's particularly funny. And as for worship: I don't care who worships what, really. I'm actually more concerned about exaggerations and outright lies about programs like the cash for clunkers program and other proposals of this administration. I won't even speculate about the motives of people who lie and exaggerate, because they're sufficiently evident not to need further exposition here. The economy may be in better shape than it was last fall, and some of the current programs seem to be having some effect. But the chances are NOT ZERO that we could still have another Great Depression; and certain news [sic] reporters, by trying to tear down any Democratic program they see, and in particular by lying about those programs, seem to be pushing us toward the edge of the cliff. --Constance Warner * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So Hoover was the real hero? You must drink the Kool-Aid every 15 minutes. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Why would you suppose I am not being serious (real)? FDR (and his allies) dealt a mortal blow to our system of a limited government of enumerated powers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Did I say Hoover was a hero? That is a straw man argument worthy of Tom. Matthew On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: So Hoover was the real hero? You must drink the Kool-Aid every 15 minutes. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Why would you suppose I am not being serious (real)? FDR (and his allies) dealt a mortal blow to our system of a limited government of enumerated powers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom; More of your insults is all you have to offer. I think I am done bothering with you. Sent from my phone. On Aug 3, 2009, at 7:44 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: Why would you suppose I am not being serious (real)? Because it is you MO. You make outrageous claims with nothing to back them up and then you repeatedly refuse to acknowledge facts presented by others. You totally waste everybody's time. Hence the analogy to the birthers. As much as Betty's response is praiseworthy and I'm sure appreciated by many List members, she is sowing seeds on barren land. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 3, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: More of your insults is all you have to offer. I think I am done bothering with you. Good. But I wrote nothing insulting. Feigning insult is just another of your evasive tactics. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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-Original Message- On Aug 3, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: More of your insults is all you have to offer. I think I am done bothering with you. From: TPiwowar Good. But I wrote nothing insulting. Feigning insult is just another of your evasive tactics. CGUYS as comic. http://tinyurl.com/mwrt5q or maybe this one: http://tinyurl.com/lx3wpg Yeah, that's the one. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Tony Bton...@gmail.com wrote: Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers) website, or the feds will own your computer. I am unable to reproduce his claims. Mr. Beck, and I am being kind here to refer to him so reverentially, also said just a few days ago, again on Fox, that President Obama is most definitely a racist. A racist. He hates, h-a-t-e-s, white people, so said Mr. Beck. Pay no attention to this boob. He's in it only for the money. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You are being too kind. Glenn Beck is about as bright as canned tuna. -Original Message- Mr. Beck, and I am being kind here to refer to him so reverentially, also said just a few days ago, again on Fox, that President Obama is most definitely a racist. A racist. He hates, h-a-t-e-s, white people, so said Mr. Beck. Pay no attention to this boob. He's in it only for the money. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You are being too kind. Glenn Beck is about as bright as canned tuna. Well, the posters on Fox Nation disagree. In their view he's some kind of a god. Of course, Ann Coulter is too liberal for some of them (I am not making this up). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote: Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers) website, or the feds will own your computer. Pretty typical con/neocon stuff. We see enough of that here. Some people just prefer to live in lalaland. Just imagine if John McCain had won the election boobs like this would be running the country and we would be facing the prospect of our grandchildren speaking Chinese instead of English. On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote: I am unable to reproduce his claims. You are suppose to take these things on faith. Anything that smells even a little bit like science is likely to get you broken on the wheel. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Tony Bton...@gmail.com wrote: Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers) website, or the feds will own your computer. I am unable to reproduce his claims. (5 mins) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWs12ccbOiE I also experimented by going to the CARS site. Nothing at all as was described by Beck and his shrilly shilling News Anchor who was hosting his diatribe took place. No Warning dialog box was seen by me upon clicking on every link on the site that i could find . This News Anchor, some hottie brunette, was saying that the site was installing malware cookies on the computers of folks who were navigating to the site. She is clearly an IT expert as well as having been a beauty queen prior to being hired up by Fox to be pimped to the viewing public. I saw that the computer Beck was using, one that he claims to have seen the dialog box on that said visitor's computers would be taken over by the government and become government property, was an HP running Windows. My machine is a Mac. Perhaps my test was therefore invalid, and the alleged government possession of one's computer is limited solely to Windows users. At any rate, Beck could not get that alleged dialog box to appear while he was on the air, and he reverted instead to displaying some text on screen to simulate what he claims to have seen. Too bad that outright lying on news programs is not illegal. His ass is covered and he knows it. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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That neocon label you toss around is really a moving target, I can't get a lock on who manages to become one of those except those who you don't agree with and you don't want to actually debate and just start calling names. BTW, the other boob that was elected is doing the same thing, he's just better at it. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:56 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote: Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers) website, or the feds will own your computer. Pretty typical con/neocon stuff. We see enough of that here. Some people just prefer to live in lalaland. Just imagine if John McCain had won the election boobs like this would be running the country and we would be facing the prospect of our grandchildren speaking Chinese instead of English. On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote: I am unable to reproduce his claims. You are suppose to take these things on faith. Anything that smells even a little bit like science is likely to get you broken on the wheel. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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BTW, the warning that Beck describes does come up, and it does come from a .gov website but it's the esc.gov website. The page Beck was showing was for dealers, LOGIN/PASS protected for dealers enrolled in the cash for slaughtering pigs...I mean buying clunkers program. I keep confusing this president with the one who totaled our economy LAST time. And for those left wing Che lovers who think the big O is Jesus...I got the info for this from your bible. DailyKos. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:10 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Tony Bton...@gmail.com wrote: Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers) website, or the feds will own your computer. I am unable to reproduce his claims. (5 mins) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWs12ccbOiE I also experimented by going to the CARS site. Nothing at all as was described by Beck and his shrilly shilling News Anchor who was hosting his diatribe took place. No Warning dialog box was seen by me upon clicking on every link on the site that i could find . This News Anchor, some hottie brunette, was saying that the site was installing malware cookies on the computers of folks who were navigating to the site. She is clearly an IT expert as well as having been a beauty queen prior to being hired up by Fox to be pimped to the viewing public. I saw that the computer Beck was using, one that he claims to have seen the dialog box on that said visitor's computers would be taken over by the government and become government property, was an HP running Windows. My machine is a Mac. Perhaps my test was therefore invalid, and the alleged government possession of one's computer is limited solely to Windows users. At any rate, Beck could not get that alleged dialog box to appear while he was on the air, and he reverted instead to displaying some text on screen to simulate what he claims to have seen. Too bad that outright lying on news programs is not illegal. His ass is covered and he knows it. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:54 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, the warning that Beck describes does come up, and it does come from a .gov website but it's the esc.gov website. The page Beck was showing was for dealers, LOGIN/PASS protected for dealers enrolled in the cash for slaughtering pigs...I mean buying clunkers program. I keep confusing this president with the one who totaled our economy LAST time. Lets be clear about this. Beck flat out says on that Fox News piece that the site is CARS.GOV and he warns all of America, clearly meaning we the people, not to log onto that site. He makes no mention whatsoever about any other website, such as the one that you have pointed out. He does say that dealers who log onto their area of the site, which is password protected and not available to the general public, are presented with this notice. However, with the help of the brunette ex-beauty queen News anchorette, both he and she then devolve into a rant about how ordinary Americans, seeking to take advantage of this CARS program, will find themselves mired in a morass of malware cookies and turning over their computers to the federal government. Therein you find the lies and distortions. By the way, who was this last President who totaled our economy? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I never said he was right. I just said the site exists. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:54 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, the warning that Beck describes does come up, and it does come from a .gov website but it's the esc.gov website. The page Beck was showing was for dealers, LOGIN/PASS protected for dealers enrolled in the cash for slaughtering pigs...I mean buying clunkers program. I keep confusing this president with the one who totaled our economy LAST time. Lets be clear about this. Beck flat out says on that Fox News piece that the site is CARS.GOV and he warns all of America, clearly meaning we the people, not to log onto that site. He makes no mention whatsoever about any other website, such as the one that you have pointed out. He does say that dealers who log onto their area of the site, which is password protected and not available to the general public, are presented with this notice. However, with the help of the brunette ex-beauty queen News anchorette, both he and she then devolve into a rant about how ordinary Americans, seeking to take advantage of this CARS program, will find themselves mired in a morass of malware cookies and turning over their computers to the federal government. Therein you find the lies and distortions. By the way, who was this last President who totaled our economy? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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FDR On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, who was this last President who totaled our economy? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:51 PM, mike wrote: I never said he was right. I just said the site exists. I tracked it down. It is here... http://maps.google.com/maps?latlng=5796664799538147458 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Are you sure? I think the FEMA camps are there... On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:51 PM, mike wrote: I never said he was right. I just said the site exists. I tracked it down. It is here... http://maps.google.com/maps?latlng=5796664799538147458 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Matthew Taylortaylorsmatt...@gmail.com wrote: FDR That's who I thought you meant. Hadda be a democrat, right? I was thinkin' of someone else. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:51 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: I never said he was right. I just said the site exists. Worse than not right. Call it outright fabrication. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I didn't answer, so you don't know who I meant. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Matthew Taylortaylorsmatt...@gmail.com wrote: FDR That's who I thought you meant. Hadda be a democrat, right? I was thinkin' of someone else. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:45 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't answer, so you don't know who I meant. Oh, yes I did. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You said totaled, not damaged. Lots of P's have damaged it, R D both. Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Carter, Nixon, Johnson. FDR was the last one to do such serious, systemic, harm that it the effects are still active today. On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Matthew Taylortaylorsmatt...@gmail.com wrote: FDR That's who I thought you meant. Hadda be a democrat, right? I was thinkin' of someone else. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: FDR was the last one to do such serious, systemic, harm that it the effects are still active today. That's why a grateful nation built a huge monument to honor him. I know, I know, there is no such monument in lalaland. BTW, it really is a great monument. If you haven't visited, put it on your bucket list. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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There were monuments to Lenin, Stalin, Hussein, Mao, et. al. Your point? On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:35 PM, TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: FDR was the last one to do such serious, systemic, harm that it the effects are still active today. That's why a grateful nation built a huge monument to honor him. I know, I know, there is no such monument in lalaland. BTW, it really is a great monument. If you haven't visited, put it on your bucket list. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I know, I know, there is no such monument in lalaland. It's behind the Juniors section. http://tinyurl.com/kkpg6m * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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There are differences between shines and monuments/memorials. One is for the purposes of remembrance one is for the purpose of worship. Most of the ones you mentioned are no longer with us, having been destroyed when the worship of those folks fell into abeyance. Honestly I think a monument should be pout up for all former US presidents. It is no ordinary individual who becomes president and it is an awesome responsibility. Agree with them or don't agree with them, it is not a free ride. I cannot remember what they say but it ages a man fast to be president. Stewart At 08:44 PM 8/2/2009, you wrote: There were monuments to Lenin, Stalin, Hussein, Mao, et. al. Your point? On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:35 PM, TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: FDR was the last one to do such serious, systemic, harm that it the effects are still active today. That's why a grateful nation built a huge monument to honor him. I know, I know, there is no such monument in lalaland. BTW, it really is a great monument. If you haven't visited, put it on your bucket list. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Reverend; If you don't think FDR is worshiped by many you are not paying attention. Matthew On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: There are differences between shines and monuments/memorials. One is for the purposes of remembrance one is for the purpose of worship. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Anyone or anything can be and are worshipped. Stewart At 08:59 PM 8/2/2009, you wrote: Reverend; If you don't think FDR is worshiped by many you are not paying attention. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Agreed. My point was that what some worship, others loathe. A statue / monument does not make someone great, it only makes them popular with those as had the pull to erect the monument. Matthew On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:19 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Anyone or anything can be and are worshipped. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers) website, or the feds will own your computer. I am unable to reproduce his claims. (5 mins) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWs12ccbOiE * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
