Re: [CGUYS] big decisions VERIZON question
I've been looking around online for an answer to this and it seems to be hit and miss. Does Verizon lock down GPS in their phones and force you to use their ten dollar service if you want GPS? I know Verizon has a history of doing such things, this will be a deal breaker if so, looks like sprint is looking better and better. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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YES! Stewart At 11:22 AM 8/7/2009, you wrote: I've been looking around online for an answer to this and it seems to be hit and miss. Does Verizon lock down GPS in their phones and force you to use their ten dollar service if you want GPS? I know Verizon has a history of doing such things, this will be a deal breaker if so, looks like sprint is looking better and better. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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MY Q9C has GPS but I have to buy a card plug in to make what I have work. Plus the software., Verizon is real good about dictating what you can and cannot do with your phones. Stewart At 11:27 AM 8/7/2009, you wrote: YES! Stewart At 11:22 AM 8/7/2009, you wrote: I've been looking around online for an answer to this and it seems to be hit and miss. Does Verizon lock down GPS in their phones and force you to use their ten dollar service if you want GPS? I know Verizon has a history of doing such things, this will be a deal breaker if so, looks like sprint is looking better and better. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I saw msgs on the net about verizon having some phones with unlocked gps and others with locked gps so it was only good with verizon navigator and an extra ten bux a month. Looks like my choices are going to be down to the android hero or pre on sprint. On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: YES! Stewart At 11:22 AM 8/7/2009, you wrote: I've been looking around online for an answer to this and it seems to be hit and miss. Does Verizon lock down GPS in their phones and force you to use their ten dollar service if you want GPS? I know Verizon has a history of doing such things, this will be a deal breaker if so, looks like sprint is looking better and better. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If sprint works for you go for it. The only reason I am hooked on Verizon is they are the only ones with good coverage down here. In some areas another carrier has as good or better coverage. You must take that into account. Stewart At 12:17 PM 8/7/2009, you wrote: I saw msgs on the net about verizon having some phones with unlocked gps and others with locked gps so it was only good with verizon navigator and an extra ten bux a month. Looks like my choices are going to be down to the android hero or pre on sprint. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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ATT has their own paid nav system for WM phones but when I was using my Q9h, I used Google Maps or Live Search since they both can use the phone's GPS chip. The only thing missing was turn-by-turn that would update automatically like the iPhone or a dedicated unit. I had to do manual updates for my current location; 2 or 3 key presses each time. One thing I miss on the iPhone is that it doesn't tell you how many satellites it sees. Both my Garmins and the Q9h told you the number it was using to fix my location. Even my car's factory unit doesn't do that. Can you use either app on your phone or the ones you are considering? See if you can find some forums dedicated to those phones or the carriers. I was using the one dedicated to the Moto Q9x but started visiting iPhones in November. I got my 3GS in mid-July. YMMV - - - No man is exempt from saying silly things; the mischief is to say them deliberately. - Michel de Montaigne Subject: Re: big decisions VERIZON question I've been looking around online for an answer to this and it seems to be hit and miss. Does Verizon lock down GPS in their phones and force you to use their ten dollar service if you want GPS? I know Verizon has a history of doing such things, this will be a deal breaker if so, looks like sprint is looking better and better. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I'll use google maps most likely, I'm not in that big of need for turn by turn, just something to let me know where I need to be. I probably won't use GPS that much, but the fact that verizon locks you out unless you pay extra just gets under my skin. And really..I wasn't too keen on going back to windows mobile anyway. On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:47 PM, MrMike6by9 mrmike6...@gmail.com wrote: ATT has their own paid nav system for WM phones but when I was using my Q9h, I used Google Maps or Live Search since they both can use the phone's GPS chip. The only thing missing was turn-by-turn that would update automatically like the iPhone or a dedicated unit. I had to do manual updates for my current location; 2 or 3 key presses each time. One thing I miss on the iPhone is that it doesn't tell you how many satellites it sees. Both my Garmins and the Q9h told you the number it was using to fix my location. Even my car's factory unit doesn't do that. Can you use either app on your phone or the ones you are considering? See if you can find some forums dedicated to those phones or the carriers. I was using the one dedicated to the Moto Q9x but started visiting iPhones in November. I got my 3GS in mid-July. YMMV - - - No man is exempt from saying silly things; the mischief is to say them deliberately. - Michel de Montaigne Subject: Re: big decisions VERIZON question I've been looking around online for an answer to this and it seems to be hit and miss. Does Verizon lock down GPS in their phones and force you to use their ten dollar service if you want GPS? I know Verizon has a history of doing such things, this will be a deal breaker if so, looks like sprint is looking better and better. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Coverage isn't an issue where I live, not enough of one to force me into one carrier. I'm already with tmobile so obviously coverage is not my concern. My concern are cost and the quality of access to the internet from the handset and then coverage. The touchscreen phones are the only ones with above average browsing experience, right now it's iphone or the palm or perhaps android. Opera on WM on an HTC handset is a possibility. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:08 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:21 PM, mike wrote: Ok, this coming October I was pretty much set on the iPhone..the apps, full HTML browsing etc was worth going to AT$T. At least from what I know. Which phone company has the best reception where you live and travel? That should determine your choice. I don't like any of those phones, including iPhone, but for $99 why not an HTC--T-Mobile has been using them successfully for a few years. Maybe you can haggle to get the price down like I did at T-Mo. If I had a choice, I'd get a Nokia with WiFi, but I doubt Verizon has them. WiFi is nice. Touchscreen is nice, but not a deal-breaker. Besides, I already have an iPod Touch. Does ATT cover better in AZ [aren't you in AZ?] than in SoCal? Coverage is most important, unless you plan to carry two phones. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I wouldn't mind an HTC Hero, but the last I read, it wasn't coming to T-Mobile. -Original Message- Coverage isn't an issue where I live, not enough of one to force me into one carrier. I'm already with tmobile so obviously coverage is not my concern. My concern are cost and the quality of access to the internet from the handset and then coverage. The touchscreen phones are the only ones with above average browsing experience, right now it's iphone or the palm or perhaps android. Opera on WM on an HTC handset is a possibility. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I have a Cingular 8525 (HTC Hermes) that I bought before the iPhone came out, hence the Cingular moniker. I recently replaced this with an iPhone 16 3Gs. ATT has never been a problem for me. My phone is a computer first and a phone second so the only hitch is the lack of access to data underground in the Metro, which is supposed to change in the coming years. I was very happy with my 8525. It never stopped working, but was getting a little long in the tooth. Browsing with SkyFire was a pleasure, very comparable in quality to the iPhone in my opinion. They¹re different. SkyFire is more like a desktop app. Safari for the iPhone is more like an iPhone app. The newer, Windows Live apps for the mobile are great, including the voice input for Windows Live Search (all free). I never felt like I was a slave to MS with my WM phone. I could survive on third party apps (almost all free) and the Mobile Office that came free on the phone as part of the OS. Updates for the phone came from HTC, not from MS. I tried the Pre in stores and wasn¹t impressed. Compared to the iPhone, it was very slow. And there were six, yes, six apps in their app store at the time. I don¹t know why they released the Pre with so few apps to get. The Pre did play streaming video without wifi better than the iPhone. Maybe because of Sprints good data. Also, it took me four Sprint stores before somebody actually knew how to use the phone and even then weren¹t familiar enough with it to answer all my questions. I still stump people at the Apple store, but they are clearly better trained. I entertained the notion of an Android, but couldn¹t find a store where I could play with one before I bought and I think there¹s a G2 phone on the way. I wasn¹t impressed with the HTC Fuze (it just felt cheaply put together), the HTC Touch Pro wasn¹t available on ATT, and the HTC Touch HD wasn¹t coming soon enough. Neither did I like any of the Blackberry devices, or LG or Nokia phones. I put off getting an iPhone because in order to be truly functional with the device you have to be a total tool of Apple (iTunes, iCal, Contacts, etc. handles everything on a Mac) or a tool of both Apple and MS (must have Outlook to be truly functional with iTunes in Windows). I have both Macs and Windows machines so it¹s not a major issue other than standing on principle. I went round and round on this with Apple, even to the point of having an Apple Store floor person raise his hackles and jump up my backside for asking how I could sync all my info without iTunes. I decided to stop letting my principles get in the way of trying arguably the best PDA phone on the market and bought an iPhone. It¹s an elegant device, everything you would expect from Apple. It¹s sleek. Feels good in your hands. Feels well made. It¹s fast. My wife, who is not technorati, but is an Apple fan, loves hers despite having to replace the first one after a week because of a white screen of death. No explanation from Apple. They just replaced it. Mine has been working fine. I¹m lukewarm on the iPhone so far. I have not had a need for copy and paste, yet, but the no apps in the background has lost data for me twice. When a call comes and it switches to the phone, you may lose data in the app you were just in if it wasn¹t saved. It appears to depend on the developer of the app. Unlike my WM phone, where I felt free to do anything I wanted in terms of mobile computing (all kinds of free apps, connectivity to my Windows machine; you know, access to the usual stuff that¹s only a Google search away), I do feel limited¹ by the App. Store and iTunes with the iPhone. You also can¹t try anything that¹s not free and if you don¹t like an app, it¹s only a big, squeaky wheel that will earn you a refund from Apple. Apps for WM almost always have a trial before you buy on non-free apps. The iPhone is still new to me, though, and since it doesn¹t drive like OS X (really) it may take some getting used to. The thing I notice most with the iPhone is the lack of cursor keys. The magnifying glass¹ is available, but not nearly as functional for me as arrowing¹ around. For example, if you have a long text string in the Google search input field, you can¹t get to the right end of the string on the iPhone (At least I can¹t. And on other text fields as well in other apps). I don¹t miss a slide out keyboard as much as I thought, but typing in non-landscape mode on the iPhone with MY fingers is really hit-or-miss. Take my points with a grain of salt. I¹m just one person. I just thought I¹d give you my two cents worth. Mark On 8/6/09 8:20 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Coverage isn't an issue where I live, not enough of one to force me into one carrier. I'm already with tmobile so obviously coverage is not my concern. My concern are cost and the quality of access to the internet from the handset and then coverage. The touchscreen phones are the only ones with above
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My contract is up soon. The hero is going to sprint. Sent from my iPod On Aug 6, 2009, at 5:33 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind an HTC Hero, but the last I read, it wasn't coming to T-Mobile. -Original Message- Coverage isn't an issue where I live, not enough of one to force me into one carrier. I'm already with tmobile so obviously coverage is not my concern. My concern are cost and the quality of access to the internet from the handset and then coverage. The touchscreen phones are the only ones with above average browsing experience, right now it's iphone or the palm or perhaps android. Opera on WM on an HTC handset is a possibility. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Great review. Thanks! On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Mark Metz wrote: The thing I notice most with the iPhone is the lack of cursor keys. That drives me nuts too on my Palm Tungsten. It has cursor keys but they turn pages. The only way to move in character units is to use the touch screen. So it takes me a half-dozen tries to do what I should be able to with a single key press. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:21 PM, mike wrote: Ok, this coming October I was pretty much set on the iPhone..the apps, full HTML browsing etc was worth going to AT$T. At least from what I know. Which phone company has the best reception where you live and travel? That should determine your choice. I don't like any of those phones, including iPhone, but for $99 why not an HTC--T-Mobile has been using them successfully for a few years. Maybe you can haggle to get the price down like I did at T-Mo. If I had a choice, I'd get a Nokia with WiFi, but I doubt Verizon has them. WiFi is nice. Touchscreen is nice, but not a deal-breaker. Besides, I already have an iPod Touch. Does ATT cover better in AZ [aren't you in AZ?] than in SoCal? Coverage is most important, unless you plan to carry two phones. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] big decisions
Ok, this coming October I was pretty much set on the iPhone..the apps, full HTML browsing etc was worth going to AT$T. At least from what I know. Verizon just decided to combat the iPhone with HTC Diamond and Touch pro each for 99 bux. Anyone with experience with either of those phones have input? I've used winmo before, I can deal with the blood shooting from my eyes if I'm getting a much better deal any other way. Anyone use the newer version of touchflo? Thoughts? I'm also in line for a 20% discount if I go with verizon..another point in their favor. Another contender that could be a possibility is the blackberry storm although that is a laggert. Any thoughts or rants welcome, TIA. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:21 PM, mike wrote: Ok, this coming October I was pretty much set on the iPhone..the apps, full HTML browsing etc was worth going to AT$T. At least from what I know. What!? Tell us that you are not going to hold out for the new Windows Phone? I don't believe it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yes, I know, I've scratched my eyes out before when I had a WM phone...but at 99 bux..and verizon...and no hope in sight for the iphone to be released. On top of the very closed system on iphone for their apps. At least the apps that matter. On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:48 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:21 PM, mike wrote: Ok, this coming October I was pretty much set on the iPhone..the apps, full HTML browsing etc was worth going to AT$T. At least from what I know. What!? Tell us that you are not going to hold out for the new Windows Phone? I don't believe it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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mike wrote: Ok, this coming October I was pretty much set on the iPhone..the apps, full HTML browsing etc was worth going to AT$T. Mike, Have you seen this article in the W.P. ? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/04/AR2009080401576.html -- Sous le ciel tout étoilé John Settle Personal Webpage: Urban Astro Images http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjs-cts/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I haven't read that particular article, but have been hearing the rumblings from podcasters and bloggers. Even if all the bad things that are said about the hardware (not the ATT side), the iPhone is still head and shoulders above anything else out there. The app situation is causing me to pause somewhat, but I don't think enough to jump into the horrors of WINMO. Two things I found out since I started this thread. One, I get a 22% discount at Sprint. Two, the hero is coming to Sprint in October. I sense a convergence... On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM, John Settle john_j_set...@yahoo.com wrote: mike wrote: Ok, this coming October I was pretty much set on the iPhone..the apps, full HTML browsing etc was worth going to AT$T. Mike, Have you seen this article in the W.P. ? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/04/AR2009080401576.html -- Sous le ciel tout étoilé John Settle Personal Webpage: Urban Astro Images http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjs-cts/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
