Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
Except that there is no prosecution in a civil suit. There is a plaintiff, someone who thinks they need compensation or some other sort of injuctive relief. No one goes to jail or has a criminal record from a civil trial. Go bankrupt? Well yeah. - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:13:41 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html Note that article written by a CNET political correspondent, hardly an authority on law or computers. Note that article says fears of legal action *may* not all be justified (emphasis mine). So even the author isn't full standing behind the assertion. Note that rules of evidence and grounds for conviction in civil suits are much more in favor of the prosecution. http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm And you ignored http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revisited.htm Did you read the site's disclaimer and suggestion that you go someplace else? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
Except that there is no prosecution in a civil suit. There is a plaintiff, someone who thinks they need compensation or some other sort of injuctive relief. No one goes to jail or has a criminal record from a civil trial. Go bankrupt? Well yeah. So you are signing up to be our guarantor? We need your pledge for at least $2M. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
This would have be covered by the fair use provision. Now who knows. Alas, fair use is trumped by DMCA. Consider yourself lucky to not be vacationing at Hotel Guantánamo, chained to the floor and being repeatedly questioned about Britney Spears. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: This would have be covered by the fair use provision. Now who knows. Alas, fair use is trumped by DMCA. Consider yourself lucky to not be vacationing at Hotel Guantánamo, chained to the floor and being repeatedly questioned about Britney Spears. Isn't she the one who kidnapped the Lindberg baby? I think the DMCA could fall under a proper court challenge but I would like to have a couple of more Justices on the court who are young enough to at least understand the theory of programming a VCR. I don't mess with anything that requires decryption that involves my active involvement. Passive things like DVD players are OK. Besides if they are going to go after anyone for talking about the programs used for this someone like Leo Laporte would be high on that list. He has recommended the software to use on his radio show. The EFF and the ACLU would rally behind that sort of challenge. Plus I don't think the new management in DC would relish this sort of fight. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
Then let Leo fight the good fight. I assume he has the big bucks. Have you written your Congress person or donated to the ACLU or EFF? Besides if they are going to go after anyone for talking about the programs used for this someone like Leo Laporte would be high on that list. He has recommended the software to use on his radio show. The EFF and the ACLU would rally behind that sort of challenge. Plus I don't think the new management in DC would relish this sort of fight. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Then let Leo fight the good fight. I assume he has the big bucks. Have you written your Congress person or donated to the ACLU or EFF? Too poor at the moment for donations. I guess I should write. I wasn't too hopeful with Davis about things like that. The new model congressman, Connelly, should be better. Warner in the senate might be an easier subject he understands the field. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
We have very few rules here. Some people wish we had more. Yes there are plenty of hacker forums. This is not one of them. Is not breaking the law really such a problem for you? As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she could have asked? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
LOL! The first amendment is free speech and the 2nd is bearing arms. So, you must be advocating the right to shooting one's mouth off? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this issue. You are hardly an authority on law, if you were, I'd never hire you as my attorney. We live in America. It's the 2nd amendment for freedom of speech. No DMCA supersedes the constitution. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she could have asked? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html Another article about DMCA myths. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:16 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm This site has an interesting analysis of the DMCA, good for a read. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:11 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she could have asked? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm This site has an interesting analysis of the DMCA, good for a read. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:11 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she could have asked? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
Only if it is a copyrighted piece. If it is a home movie and she has been given permission from the copyright holder it is legal. Roxio says so. It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies. Stewart At 08:56 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote: can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
That's one heck of an assumption. Couldn't you at least *ask* her first if it's a movie with copy protection before you assume she's some kind of criminal? We produce thousands of 'movie DVD's' a year, none of which are copy protected. We understand people can and do copy them; our only choice is to sell copies cheap enough that they would rather just buy them from us than go to the hassle. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
If I understand it correctly. The copyright law has changes so that anything you produce is automatically afforded copyright protection. If you so choose you can then give folks the right to copy anything you have produced. However if they do not ask your permission first and it is granted it is automatically considered a violation of the DMCA. How you want to enforce it is then your call. Stewart At 10:57 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote: That's one heck of an assumption. Couldn't you at least *ask* her first if it's a movie with copy protection before you assume she's some kind of criminal? We produce thousands of 'movie DVD's' a year, none of which are copy protected. We understand people can and do copy them; our only choice is to sell copies cheap enough that they would rather just buy them from us than go to the hassle. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
The content of a DeCSS encrypted disk falls under fair use, copying that is not illegal, the DMCA says that breaking that DeCSS code to get to the content is illegal. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: If I understand it correctly. The copyright law has changes so that anything you produce is automatically afforded copyright protection. If you so choose you can then give folks the right to copy anything you have produced. However if they do not ask your permission first and it is granted it is automatically considered a violation of the DMCA. How you want to enforce it is then your call. Stewart At 10:57 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote: That's one heck of an assumption. Couldn't you at least *ask* her first if it's a movie with copy protection before you assume she's some kind of criminal? We produce thousands of 'movie DVD's' a year, none of which are copy protected. We understand people can and do copy them; our only choice is to sell copies cheap enough that they would rather just buy them from us than go to the hassle. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
Where did all that hostility come from? Mike, the message is rude! Can we show at least basic respect here, please? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance. Discussing the DMCA is NOT illegal no matter how much you want it to be. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
Roxio says so. It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies. Roxio tried to provide copying last year and ended up in court. How about this? Anyone wishing to answer DMCA-prohibited questions must first post a $2,000,000 bond to cover all consequent expenses. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
i wasn't asking about the legality! I was asking about the capabilities of the software. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Only if it is a copyrighted piece. If it is a home movie and she has been given permission from the copyright holder it is legal. Roxio says so. It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies. Stewart At 08:56 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote: can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like Nero? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? Tom gets what he gives, no more, no less. He's a big boy, I'm sure he'll handle it. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Where did all that hostility come from? Mike, the message is rude! Can we show at least basic respect here, please? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance. Discussing the DMCA is NOT illegal no matter how much you want it to be. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Top rated software as reviewed in the UNITED STATES by Macworld mag Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
http://www.macworld.com/article/59605/2006/12/handbrake.html Fantastic program, came to windows not long ago. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
Call Thank you, Mark Snyder 7575 Colshire Drive McLean, Virginia 22101 703.883-8365 -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:55 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc] I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? Tom gets what he gives, no more, no less. He's a big boy, I'm sure he'll handle it. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Where did all that hostility come from? Mike, the message is rude! Can we show at least basic respect here, please? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance. Discussing the DMCA is NOT illegal no matter how much you want it to be. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
You are unreal. LOL. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Roxio says so. It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies. Roxio tried to provide copying last year and ended up in court. How about this? Anyone wishing to answer DMCA-prohibited questions must first post a $2,000,000 bond to cover all consequent expenses. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
Calling it fair is irrelevant. Rudeness is failing to meet a minimum standard of basic courtesy. Please raise that standard of behavior. Many on this list tire of blatant disrespect of list members. Please show basic respect; this is not a list for brats. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? Tom gets what he gives, no more, no less. He's a big boy, I'm sure he'll handle it. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Where did all that hostility come from? Mike, the message is rude! Can we show at least basic respect here, please? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance. Discussing the DMCA is NOT illegal no matter how much you want it to be. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
Cheers. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Calling it fair is irrelevant. Rudeness is failing to meet a minimum standard of basic courtesy. Please raise that standard of behavior. Many on this list tire of blatant disrespect of list members. Please show basic respect; this is not a list for brats. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? Tom gets what he gives, no more, no less. He's a big boy, I'm sure he'll handle it. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Where did all that hostility come from? Mike, the message is rude! Can we show at least basic respect here, please? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance. Discussing the DMCA is NOT illegal no matter how much you want it to be. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Judy Cosler jcos...@starpower.net wrote: i wasn't asking about the legality! I was asking about the capabilities of the software. Roxio sells a package that is called Roxio Easy DVD Copy. As to what it does who can tell from that description. I've never looked, bought or otherwise tried the produce. This is probably a case where google is your friend. Tom is hypersensitive to lawyers but the DMCA is written in a way to attempt to stifle free speech. If there was someone to sue for money attmepting to sue someone talking about this topic it would be a prime target for lawsuits and probably overturned in short order. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
Highly unfair for me to take the kids movies we own and put them on my pc to feed my tv? I've got 200 cds in my closet I haven't got one out since I burned them to the pc...I play them to the stereo with the Apple remote app on my ipod touch. Found a great remote app from VLC that can play the movies now too. Mike On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marcio V. Pinheiro wefp...@terra.com.brwrote: Of course it is braking the law. Besides this is highly unfair for the people who worked and made the movie. Marcio At 01:34 PM 1/22/2009, you wrote: We have very few rules here. Some people wish we had more. Yes there are plenty of hacker forums. This is not one of them. Is not breaking the law really such a problem for you? As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she could have asked? That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html Note that article written by a CNET political correspondent, hardly an authority on law or computers. Note that article says fears of legal action *may* not all be justified (emphasis mine). So even the author isn't full standing behind the assertion. Note that rules of evidence and grounds for conviction in civil suits are much more in favor of the prosecution. http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm And you ignored http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revisited.htm Did you read the site's disclaimer and suggestion that you go someplace else? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
Highly unfair for me to take the kids movies we own and put them on my pc to feed my tv? I've got 200 cds in my closet I haven't got one out since I burned them to the pc...I play them to the stereo with the Apple remote app on my ipod touch. Found a great remote app from VLC that can play the movies now too. I believe there is a substantial reward for turning Mike in. Does anyone know his address? Shall we agree to split the reward so we can avoid any rude pushing to be first? $65,000 x 200 = 13 Mega Dollars x .25 = $3.25M / 475 = $6842 each more or less * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
The content of a DeCSS encrypted disk falls under fair use, copying that is not illegal, the DMCA says that breaking that DeCSS code to get to the content is illegal. If you do go over to the doom9 site and read his Revisited story about the DMCA you will see the site owner jummping up and down about how stupid and unconstitutional the judge's decision was. The good guys lost. In that kind of environment it is massively inappropriate to skirt the law and test the fates. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
i wasn't asking about the legality! I was asking about the capabilities of the software. Answering that question is a crime. Sorry. You should also refrain from asking us how to manufacture nerve gas in your bath tub. Mike will want to show off and tell you, but we won't let him. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
That's one heck of an assumption. Couldn't you at least *ask* her first if it's a movie with copy protection before you assume she's some kind of criminal? If the file were not protected there would be no need to ask the question. It would be easy to copy by normal means. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
I'm poor, you would have better luck turning in rich geeks like Kevin Rose or Leo Laporte...how about windows lover Paul Thurrott? Tom should get his teeth into turning that guy in...hmmm. How about the entire staff at Macworld...or PCMAG? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Highly unfair for me to take the kids movies we own and put them on my pc to feed my tv? I've got 200 cds in my closet I haven't got one out since I burned them to the pc...I play them to the stereo with the Apple remote app on my ipod touch. Found a great remote app from VLC that can play the movies now too. I believe there is a substantial reward for turning Mike in. Does anyone know his address? Shall we agree to split the reward so we can avoid any rude pushing to be first? $65,000 x 200 = 13 Mega Dollars x .25 = $3.25M / 475 = $6842 each more or less * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
Right..ban or moderate those who disagree. The fact that you have the ability to k/b people from this list should require you to act the adult at some point before and ask the participants to cool down a little. Instead you egg on and call names. He had posted that your (Tom's) posts 'pass understanding', and that comment warranted you to call him a jerk. The two of you and a few others had a disagreement over nothing factual, only on perception and your response to him not agreeing with you is to call him names. If only one person had this perception, it could be argued that it was not correct. However, several have the same perception. Personally, yes, I'd rather have you call names so the users will be clear who has the k/b button, but in the end you will do whatever you want. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? It takes an extraordinary effort to get me to that point of frustration. I guess it would be more polite to just quietly ban the offender from posting or to put them on moderation. Is that what you suggest? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Right..ban or moderate those who disagree. The fact that you have the ability to k/b people from this list should require you to act the adult at some point before and ask the participants to cool down a little. Instead you egg on and call names. He had posted that your (Tom's) posts 'pass understanding', and that comment warranted you to call him a jerk. The two of you and a few others had a disagreement over nothing factual, only on perception and your response to him not agreeing with you is to call him names. Mike the problem is when the person is a) just being contradictory to be contradictory and not really arguing a point and b) just being snarky about it. It feels a like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppK6sxz6epk. Tom is the top act at the floor show. If only one person had this perception, it could be argued that it was not correct. However, several have the same perception. Personally, yes, I'd rather have you call names so the users will be clear who has the k/b button, but in the end you will do whatever you want. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? It takes an extraordinary effort to get me to that point of frustration. I guess it would be more polite to just quietly ban the offender from posting or to put them on moderation. Is that what you suggest? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
It goes for both sides, I suppose the end point is Tom gets to be whatever he wants since he controls the +k/b. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Right..ban or moderate those who disagree. The fact that you have the ability to k/b people from this list should require you to act the adult at some point before and ask the participants to cool down a little. Instead you egg on and call names. He had posted that your (Tom's) posts 'pass understanding', and that comment warranted you to call him a jerk. The two of you and a few others had a disagreement over nothing factual, only on perception and your response to him not agreeing with you is to call him names. Mike the problem is when the person is a) just being contradictory to be contradictory and not really arguing a point and b) just being snarky about it. It feels a like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppK6sxz6epk. Tom is the top act at the floor show. If only one person had this perception, it could be argued that it was not correct. However, several have the same perception. Personally, yes, I'd rather have you call names so the users will be clear who has the k/b button, but in the end you will do whatever you want. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? It takes an extraordinary effort to get me to that point of frustration. I guess it would be more polite to just quietly ban the offender from posting or to put them on moderation. Is that what you suggest? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
Tom, While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this issue. You are hardly an authority on law, if you were, I'd never hire you as my attorney. We live in America. It's the 2nd amendment for freedom of speech. No DMCA supersedes the constitution. A lot of people believe they don't have the money to fight such a fight. You don't need money, just backing. And there's plenty of that. So if the DMCA wants to take this all the way to the supreme court, I say go for it! We'll whomp their ass. On Jan 22, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html Note that article written by a CNET political correspondent, hardly an authority on law or computers. Note that article says fears of legal action *may* not all be justified (emphasis mine). So even the author isn't full standing behind the assertion. Note that rules of evidence and grounds for conviction in civil suits are much more in favor of the prosecution. http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm And you ignored http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revisited.htm Did you read the site's disclaimer and suggestion that you go someplace else? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this issue. You are hardly an authority on law, if you were, I'd never hire you as my attorney. We live in America. It's the 2nd amendment for freedom of speech. No DMCA supersedes the constitution. Most smart lawyers will advise you to do everything possible to avoid litigation. Litigation against scared people with deep pockets is especially to be avoided. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]
Hey Tom ...why donna you tella dem all it's OK to copy all dem movies so long as they send you a copy!! ...hehee! -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc] It goes for both sides, I suppose the end point is Tom gets to be whatever he wants since he controls the +k/b. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Right..ban or moderate those who disagree. The fact that you have the ability to k/b people from this list should require you to act the adult at some point before and ask the participants to cool down a little. Instead you egg on and call names. He had posted that your (Tom's) posts 'pass understanding', and that comment warranted you to call him a jerk. The two of you and a few others had a disagreement over nothing factual, only on perception and your response to him not agreeing with you is to call him names. Mike the problem is when the person is a) just being contradictory to be contradictory and not really arguing a point and b) just being snarky about it. It feels a like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppK6sxz6epk. Tom is the top act at the floor show. If only one person had this perception, it could be argued that it was not correct. However, several have the same perception. Personally, yes, I'd rather have you call names so the users will be clear who has the k/b button, but in the end you will do whatever you want. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen. When you disagree with him, name calling ensues. Remember jerk just a short time ago? It takes an extraordinary effort to get me to that point of frustration. I guess it would be more polite to just quietly ban the offender from posting or to put them on moderation. Is that what you suggest? ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** ** *** -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
