Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:09 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Can't be that old, we are told constantly by the mac glitterati that pc's don't last that long. You must mean five or six months :p Oh it is just as crappy as it was when I bought it. :-) I just have a high tolerance for pain. That and I have a fifteen year old Mac that I turn on every once and while to play a few system 9 based games. I use a PC because they are cheap and I need to be able to use what they buy in the office. I figure I'll get a WIN7 machine there in about 5 years since I am at the end of the PC pass down chain. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: I have no idea what you're talking about, unless you're just being sarcastic. But I thought I'd point out that an annual re-installation of the OS hasn't been advisable since the old Win9x days. The whole WinNT line has always normally been stable enough to run for years. I keep hearing that advice as a method to make sure you have a virus free environment. Windows may be stable enough to run but it isn't secure enough to run for years. I tend to reinstall biannually due to the system degradation. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
By the time you talk biannually then at that point there would also be hardware issues like new motherboards to prompt a clean install. Note that my workstations, not connected to the internet, or subject to constant program installs, will run as fresh in a few years when it's replaced as it did on day 1. I keep hearing that advice as a method to make sure you have a virus free environment. Windows may be stable enough to run but it isn't secure enough to run for years. I tend to reinstall biannually due to the system degradation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Whoops I meant semi-annually. It's like a spring cleaning. I treat computers like cars run until dead. I still have an HP running as my main PC from five or six years ago. It mostly runs what I need it to fine except for iTunes which sucks all the life out of it. I do use my wife's Mac fairly frequently By the time you talk biannually then at that point there would also be hardware issues like new motherboards to prompt a clean install. Note that my workstations, not connected to the internet, or subject to constant program installs, will run as fresh in a few years when it's replaced as it did on day 1. I keep hearing that advice as a method to make sure you have a virus free environment. Windows may be stable enough to run but it isn't secure enough to run for years. I tend to reinstall biannually due to the system degradation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
Can't be that old, we are told constantly by the mac glitterati that pc's don't last that long. You must mean five or six months :p On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Whoops I meant semi-annually. It's like a spring cleaning. I treat computers like cars run until dead. I still have an HP running as my main PC from five or six years ago. It mostly runs what I need it to fine except for iTunes which sucks all the life out of it. I do use my wife's Mac fairly frequently By the time you talk biannually then at that point there would also be hardware issues like new motherboards to prompt a clean install. Note that my workstations, not connected to the internet, or subject to constant program installs, will run as fresh in a few years when it's replaced as it did on day 1. I keep hearing that advice as a method to make sure you have a virus free environment. Windows may be stable enough to run but it isn't secure enough to run for years. I tend to reinstall biannually due to the system degradation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
On Nov 10, 2009, at 8:25 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: I keep hearing that advice as a method to make sure you have a virus free environment. Windows may be stable enough to run but it isn't secure enough to run for years. I tend to reinstall biannually due to the system degradation. Not so much viruses, I think, as registry rot. The registry will always get you in the end. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
On Nov 8, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: So, once you have done an OS upgrade on your machine, you can no longer do an annual re-installation of the OS on a reformatted drive. And if the drive on which the upgrade was done suffers a hardware failure, it is illegal to install the upgrade OS on the new hard drive? (unless, of course, you first install the old OS and then perform an upgrade to it?) Why does MS insist that one go through the more lengthy process?? What is to be accomplished except harassing the customer? I bet they are ROTFLOL at the thought of your distress. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
It's only illegal if you don't already own a qualifying product. You may remember when I installed Win7 on this machine I had to call MS. They specifically walked me through installing my upgrade product to a new bare drive. But I was replacing Vista; just not to the same drive. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:39 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Always doing its best to be helpful, M$ wants to let you know that if you want to install W7 on a new drive you are a dirty rotten crook. Windows 7 upgrade 'hacks' not legal, Microsoft suggests http://gcn.com/articles/2009/11/02/windows-7-upgrade-hacks-not-legal.aspx?s=gcndaily_041109 Over the past several days, there have been various posts…[showing] that a Windows 7 Upgrade disc can perform a 'clean' installation of Windows 7 on a blank drive from a technical perspective, Ligman wrote last week in a Microsoft small-to-medium business blog. Of course, from the posts I saw, they often forgot to mention a very basic, yet very important, piece of information 'Technically possible' does not always mean legal. WFBs will of course take umbrage at the site of us ROTFLOLing, but we just can't help it. You dirty rotten crooks! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
It would be difficult to find someone that didn't have a copy of win2k/winxp or vista and be qualified. I have to say, those who bought full versions of vista, should have free upgrades or perhaps 20 dollar upgrades. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: It's only illegal if you don't already own a qualifying product. You may remember when I installed Win7 on this machine I had to call MS. They specifically walked me through installing my upgrade product to a new bare drive. But I was replacing Vista; just not to the same drive. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:39 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Always doing its best to be helpful, M$ wants to let you know that if you want to install W7 on a new drive you are a dirty rotten crook. Windows 7 upgrade 'hacks' not legal, Microsoft suggests http://gcn.com/articles/2009/11/02/windows-7-upgrade-hacks-not-legal.aspx?s=gcndaily_041109 Over the past several days, there have been various posts…[showing] that a Windows 7 Upgrade disc can perform a 'clean' installation of Windows 7 on a blank drive from a technical perspective, Ligman wrote last week in a Microsoft small-to-medium business blog. Of course, from the posts I saw, they often forgot to mention a very basic, yet very important, piece of information 'Technically possible' does not always mean legal. WFBs will of course take umbrage at the site of us ROTFLOLing, but we just can't help it. You dirty rotten crooks! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
So, once you have done an OS upgrade on your machine, you can no longer do an annual re-installation of the OS on a reformatted drive. And if the drive on which the upgrade was done suffers a hardware failure, it is illegal to install the upgrade OS on the new hard drive? (unless, of course, you first install the old OS and then perform an upgrade to it?) Why does MS insist that one go through the more lengthy process?? What is to be accomplished except harassing the customer? Fred Holmes At 04:39 PM 11/8/2009, tjpa wrote: Always doing its best to be helpful, M$ wants to let you know that if you want to install W7 on a new drive you are a dirty rotten crook. Windows 7 upgrade 'hacks' not legal, Microsoft suggests http://gcn.com/articles/2009/11/02/windows-7-upgrade-hacks-not-legal.aspx?s=gcndaily_041109 Over the past several days, there have been various posts [showing] that a Windows 7 Upgrade disc can perform a 'clean' installation of Windows 7 on a blank drive from a technical perspective, Ligman wrote last week in a Microsoft small-to-medium business blog. Of course, from the posts I saw, they often forgot to mention a very basic, yet very important, piece of information 'Technically possible' does not always mean legal. WFBs will of course take umbrage at the site of us ROTFLOLing, but we just can't help it. You dirty rotten crooks! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
I have no idea what you're talking about, unless you're just being sarcastic. But I thought I'd point out that an annual re-installation of the OS hasn't been advisable since the old Win9x days. The whole WinNT line has always normally been stable enough to run for years. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: So, once you have done an OS upgrade on your machine, you can no longer do an annual re-installation of the OS on a reformatted drive. And if the drive on which the upgrade was done suffers a hardware failure, it is illegal to install the upgrade OS on the new hard drive? (unless, of course, you first install the old OS and then perform an upgrade to it?) Why does MS insist that one go through the more lengthy process?? What is to be accomplished except harassing the customer? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
